Toyota Tundra VS Ford F-150

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  • 2000bill2000bill Member Posts: 15
    I owned a '90 Lexus LS 400 with the V-8. It was a very nice car and the engine was sweet. It required premium fuel only. After about 20,000 miles (mostly highway) it began to ping. Tried different brands of fuel etc. Even octane boost didn't totally solve the problem. Took it to the dealer many times during our ownership, and after 7 years, they still didn't have a fix. Also it developed a problem with one or several valves that would occasionally hang up on cold start.(Always cured itself after a short time) The dealer said that the engines were built with very tight tolerances and that they had a number of cars that were doing the same thing. I told them that it never did it during the first 35,000 miles and I found it interesting how the clearances could tighten up from engine wear, couln't possibly be carbon could it? They also replaced the discs, and associated forgings, and pads after they started making noise at 10,000 miles. These were not replacements, they were redesigned parts! The next year they totally redesigned the system again. Now don't get me wrong, it was a very fine car, just not perfect. We had several repairs during our ownership. An expansion valve was leaking and cost $1000+ to repair. Water pump and timing belt $1000. No parts were available in the aftermarket, not even the wipers.(Best on any car I've been in) Valve adjustments were required periodically and were expensive. Power steering started to leak, they wanted more than $600 for the pump. I asked about a seal kit, because the pump was fine. Not available. About a year later they did come out with a seal kit and I had it fixed. I was told these were all common problems. When we got 120,000 miles on the car I asked how much an engine would cost. Answer $10,000. I sold the car.
    I'm sure it could have made 200,000 miles easy, the oil never dropped a perceptible amount between changes. As for the company, they were great. I lived 40 miles from the dealer and they would come pick up the car, hand me a key to another Lexus, and then return the car when finished. They did this up until the time we sold it 7 years later. A year after we sold it we received a check from them for $200 compensating owners for poor wear from the original tires. (Owners of newer vehicles had complained about poor wear on the OEM Goodyears) They reimbursed us 8 years after buying the car. I'm sure they weren't required to do that!) Sorry for the long post, I just thought that these are things that should be considered when buying a Toyota product.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I can appreciate your problem with pinging.
    The Tundra I now own absolutely does not ping ever! I have put in the cheapest, rot-gut gas that I can imagine and it still runs full power without compaint. I have not had one ping since owning it.

    The real test is running up a hill with the air-conditioner on. The Tundra does not knock.
  • 2000bill2000bill Member Posts: 15
    I'm sure that it doesn't, I've driven the truck and was very impressed, if fact after talking with my sister, (we are very good friends) and test driving she's been telling me that her next vehicle is a Tundra. She currently drives a Mountaineer with the V-8. I've encouraged her to buy it. It's the best overall 1/2 ton out there. End of question. I just recently bought a Silverado for the bigger back seat, higher tow rating, (own a 26' trailer with superslide)and the substantial discount from using the GM card, which in my case was close to $3000, which is taken off after you get your best deal. Wanted the Toyota, but it just wouln't work for me. My dad has a Ford and they are nice, but don't measure up either unless you have special needs that the Tundra won't fill.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them tundras be the best ones for yuppies and gals now. Them folks be expectin car like ways, and aint goin work em hard. They also grow tired of em when that shine wears down, and goin swap up for that next fad, so wearin em out aint no worry now. Them folks that buy them trucks too work em, and keep em, best get em a big3. If just chasin that fad, them tundra ones be good enough. Good luck on this one now!
  • xspechtxspecht Member Posts: 27
    Hey, some of us would rather pull a boat then a plow. We might bring furniture home in the bed, not a still. As long as we don't live on a farm, I guess we're yuppies. I'll tell you one thing though, we'll be getting lots more miles with a lot fewer problems out of our Tundras than you will be with your Silverados, Rams, and F-150's. So, go ahead and pull the plow and marry your sister, I'll be happy being a yuppie and owning a nice, reliable truck.
  • 2000bill2000bill Member Posts: 15
    My sister wants a Tundra, what does that tell you?
  • sampson7sampson7 Member Posts: 25
    2000Bill-

    Sorry, you will have to leave this discussion. We do not allow honest, sincere, non-bashing posts here. Nor do we allow people who recognize occasional truck flaws as being acceptable. We also will not tolerate those who:

    1) admit that one specific brand of 1/2 ton pickup might not be perfect for everyone.

    2) appear to be ambivalent about which truck is best under all circumstances.

    Please leave.


    If you choose to stay, you must:

    1) pick a brand and defend it to all ends, beyond reason - never admit your brand has a fault use completely ridiculous comparisons to prove your tenuous arguments. (for example if your enemy argues that a Porsche 911 is a good sportscar, call them an idiot and explain your aunt has a 1972 Chevy Impala that has 278,000 miles, it hauls more blue wigs than a Porsche, it has a tow hitch, it can run on leaded gas, it rides better, and it only cost $9,000).

    2) decide whether you are in favor or against unions (if you decide to favor unions, however, you will have to dispose of all the non-american made products you currently posses).

    3) decide whether you want to be a yuppy or a farmer (similar problems apply here - you'll need to either grow butter beans or begin practicing medicine or law).

    4) continually recycle statements such as, "Motor Trend Truck of the Year"; "Good luck on this one now"; "Less truck, more buck"; or "J.D. Powers Initial Quality Award", etc. Redundancy is a prerequisite for this forum.

    5) and most importantly you must be able to insult and attack all those who appear to be contradictory to your stance, racial and ethnic slurs are encouraged.

  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Speakin that truth on them limited ones be soundin like that too folks, but the truth is the truth even if it be stingin em. If folks would just use them eyes they could be seein it for themselves now. Guessin that smoke and that shine be cloudin them eyes on folks, makin that truth hard too be seen in them ones now. Good luck on this one now!
  • 2000bill2000bill Member Posts: 15
    I almost died laughing, really! I'll defend the Tundra/F150/Silverado/Ram trucks and continue to be insulted and called names by every yahoo on this board. Did you notice that your trucks not mentioned in this post? If so I just slammed your ride. I really need to loosen up here. BTW is this any improvement?
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    When I read comments like yours it really ticks me off bashing american products like that for the record here's what some of your Tundra buddies have posted at there own site.

    * slip yoke binding under tourque
    * hard starts apparently it takes time to start the engine
    * clunk vibration numerous posts on that one
    * front end noise bad wheel bearings
    * armrest wear at 2500 miles numerous posts on that one to
    * defective door latches
    * clunk after starting and stopping
    * paint chipping off hood numerous on that one to.
    * access doors popping open over rough roads thats good for the kids
    * brake rotors warped from trailering
    * access doors unlocking and opening on highway thats probably the best one
    * paint flaws numerous on that one
    * back seat way to small numerous on that to,
    Good thing they all got half a brain and are doctors and lawyers you may need a docter for your passangers falling out and a lawyer to sue Toyota,

    A Proud Big3 Owner.We protect our own.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Just think of that breakage on them tundras if folks worked em like them big3 ones get worked now. So much for that "quality" of them ones now, it be just the myth that yuppie be holdin onto, tryin too justify why they overpaided on em. Good luck on this one now!
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Toyota Tundra - 2000 J.D Powers award for best initial quality in full-size pickups. The F150 ranked second and the F250 ranked third. The Chevy - well we all know about Chevies.
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    I keep up with the forums at that sight. Here's some of the solutions to those problems:

    Slip yoke: take it apart and grease or anti-sieze the hell out of it

    Hard starts: that's just how they are and are gonna be, a lot of Toyota vehicles are the same way

    Defective door latches: dealer replaces them with new ones, Toyota knows about the problem

    Clunk after starting and stopping: this affects people with the ABS brake option, when you start the truck up and go ahead, the ABS system sets itself which is the clunk

    Vibrations: a lot of vibrations have been solved by balancing the wheels by using a machine that balances the wheel holding it a different way

    Back seats: a lot of Tundra owners have been putting spacers under the back seat to increase the angle, they say it helps alot.

    If you want to see the same problems and then worse ones, go on over to www.f150online.com I have never thought Ford trucks had so many problems, but apparently they do! Paint chipping, doors rusting, the famous door cracks, 4.6L piston slap (which requires a new engine), 5.4L head gaskets leaking, bad 5.4L engine blocks (requires new engine) transmission replacements, leaking rear window, leaking roof. Whatever problem you're looking for, you'll find it there. This is the first year for the Tundra so they are bound to have a few bugs, but quite frankly, there aren't many. Wait till next year when they get most of them worked out. They know about a lot of them already.
  • ford250ford250 Member Posts: 25
    If you want a real fullsize truck forget Chevy,Dodge,Toyota, & the Ford F-150. Get yourself a Ford F-250 Super Duty. This is a real fullsize.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them SD be a good one for sure. Just somethin bout sittin up high above all them folks when drivin down that road. Reminds me of sittin up high in that massey-furgerson now. Good luck on this one now!
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    With all them problems on them tundras, what exactly ya payin that extra money for? Cant be that size, them limited ones be 1/4 too 1/3 smaller than them big3 ones. Cant be gas mileage, they be gettin the worst of em all. Cant be style, coulda got ya a F150 there. Cant be haul, they aint got any. Must be that shine too em, got in ya eyes now, eh? Them yuppies be the sucker for that shine now. Good luck on this one now!
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    I keep hearing over and over from F-150 OWNERS that the EPA estimates are vey generous and they get worse MPG than posted. Anyone experienced this?
  • bobbyperubobbyperu Member Posts: 1
    What's all this talk about paying more for a Toyota. Have any of you checked the msrp? I didn't think so. Base price for a tundra is $500 less than an F-150. That's right less! Options seem to cost a little more, so you'll probably finish even. I'm just looking for a decent work truck, so I don't care about all the whistles and bells anyhow. Toyota does lack any meaningful rebates or incentives right now, but anything you save that way on the big3 will go right back in after 36K any way. You can save now and pay later if you like, but I prefer the piece of mind. Fords ain't the truck they once was.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    I've never owned a car that got what the EPA said. Always less. I will admit I have a huge lead foot, like many other people. The only time I can actually get what the EPA says, or sometimes even better, is when I get on the interstate and set my cruise.
  • markcordmarkcord Member Posts: 113
    Heck, if we're going to debate the work capabilities of a pickup shouldn't we consider EPA mileage estimates? I mean, the mileage rating is a by-product of EPA emissions tests. However, vehicles with a GVWR over 8000 pounds are not required to be tested for emissions. My point is, if it has an EPA mileage rating then it's not really a "work" truck now is it? (Let's leave personal use type stuff out of it). Any Tindra boys want to keep yammerin about that mileage crap? What exactly is the rating on that overpriced beer can on wheels anyway?

    That ought to get them going. Speaking of beer cans-I'm parched!
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    I agree with you about what is an actual work truck, but EPA mileage ratings are not really a product of emissions tests. They actually put the vehicle on a sort of treadmill and see how much gas it uses for given distances. They do this two different ways. One to simulate highway and another to simulate in town driving. All Ford vehicles, except for the Lightning, are LEV's. If mileage estimates were based off of emmisions then they should have really high ratings for gas mileage. Here's a link with more info than anyone probably wanted.
    http://www.epa.gov/oms/01-nvfel.htm
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    So then we agree that the Tundra has its share of problems also.Nobody that owns a big 3 claims that they are invincible,they are trucks a manmade mechanical device that is subject to a lot of wear and tear and abuse,I know mine is and I haven't had one problem.Its the people who think the Tundra is made of gold and consistantly derate the Big3.BTW I only looked on posts from the last 20 days on the Tundra there could be even more problems.
    I got 23 miles to the gallon with my truck on highway after install of superchip,K&N fipk and gibson catback.I have a 99 F250 light duty 4x4 supercab w/5.4 and 3.73LS.My truck is probably a little heavier than a F150 4x4 so that may get a little better gas milage.I also only use 93 octane.
    As far as the sticker and msrp,The Toyota and Ford may be close in sticker price But almost everyone knows you can get a Ford at dealer invoice I don't know about the Toyota invoice.
    You are correct that Ford has had some problems with some of their engines but they are fixing them and they do make probably 20 to 1 ratio compared to Toyota.Lets see Toyota build 800,000 Tundras and we'll see where they stand.
    In 2003 Ford will use the new 3 valve 5.4 with 305 Hp along with a new V6 deisel that cranks out 400 lbs tourque availible for the F150.
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them limited ones be breakin quick, and folks aint even workin em. This be the fact, but them folks be keepin it quiet as not too be lookin foolish at spendin more buck for less truck. Still, that truth be gettin out on them ones now. Good luck on this one now!
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    You tell 'em Barlitz!
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    Yes, they do have some problems. But I think they're doing really well for a first year model. I posted a thread called "Owners of flawless Tundras: post here!" and it got a lot of responses. I would say more than 80% of responses were people with flawless Tundras. The other 20% or so just had minor problems, like paint chipping, vibrations, fabric wear, etc. If they work on getting the bugs out for the 2001 Tundra's, they should be even better. I've read some posts on mileages of the Tundra, highest I've seen is 22mpg with the 4.7L and lowest is like 13. Most get average of 16-17 mixed city and highway. I don't think that's bad, I think that's about what the Silverado's get. A lot of it depends on how hard you drive it, almost every Tundra owner admitted that they would stomp on it every once in awhile in their mileage figures. I agree that if Toyota would make as many as Ford did, there would be a lot more problems (I think). But that's the price Ford is gonna have to pay (quality vs. quantity).
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Them big3 folks can be sayin the same thing bout them big3 trucks now. The difference be this: Them ones be workin them trucks, they be "full size", and they paided bout 25% less. What this all provin? Just this: tundra=less truck, more buck. Good luck on this one now!
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I have found that as a rule of thumb that seems to always work for me. Fords tend to get less then the EPA estimates, Chevy seems to always get just a bit more then the EPA estimates, Dodges suck fuel down like they are a top fuel drag racer. My Tundra has been about dead on the estimates. I have gotten 20ish on one highway trip and I average about 15-16 with many small 7 mile rushhour city trips. I say city but really more of around town, suburbs etc. Overall I am very happy and my mileage has gotten steadily better. I attribute that to winter vs. summer blends of fuel.

    Just my observations.
  • jambojambo Member Posts: 28
    All trucks are bad on gas so who cares. Now if you use a lot of gas anyway would be nice to get there first.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I've got a 99 F250 Light Duty XLT 4x4,4 door supercab,with 5.4 auto,3.73 LS.I can tow 8200lbs probably tow 2 of your Tundras up MT Everest without breaking a sweat.I paid $26000 brand new off showroom floor.Thats $4000 less than your Tundra, that will never be able to do what I can do.plus I can put real people in the back not just Carnie folk or midgets.I'm a man, a real man, real men drive the Big3.
  • ford250ford250 Member Posts: 25
    I can put the Tundra in the bed of a F-250 Super Duty. What do you think Trucksrme. Wouldn't you like to see a midsize being hauled around in the bed of a real full size truck. The F-250 Super Duty.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Tell you what I wanna see, is those Carnie folk and midgets...sounds like a hoot!
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    For the record, you didn't pay $4000 less than I did. Also, I don't think you can drive up Mt. Everest...much less tow anything up it.
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    $4000 less? I think not. And you still have to put up with the ride quality of a lumberwagon.

    Real men drive the Big 3...because it takes a real man to push it home!
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Toyota is getting much more aggressive on pricing (in Houston). Two weeks ago $5,000 discounts on "select" Tundras and $4,000 discounts on all V8 Tundras except the Limited. Last week $4,000 discounts on all V8 4x4 Tundras and 2.9% APR to boot. You Tundra haters will need to come up with something other than price. At $4,000 off the Tundra would be a good buy if you needed a smaller truck. It would be priced very competitive with the Dakota and IMO is a better Truck.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    That "mid-size" Tundra just beat your so-called "full-size" Chevy. Chevy "full-size" just isn't what it used to be. Maybe you should compare the Chevy to the Dakota - it is a closer match.

    I got these facts from the May '00 issue of Motor
    Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
    pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
    Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
    gears(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
    They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
    and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
    Access Cab V8.

    You would think that this would be a mismatch.
    The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
    seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.

    Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
    overall performance and sophistication - on road
    and off - we have to say Tundra."
  • trucksrmetrucksrme Member Posts: 381
    Best quit readin on them trucks and get out and work em now. Ya be findin them big3 trucks can do the haul. Them tundras be for the yuppie chasin the fad, that be all. This be the fact on that, just use your eyes, dont need no magazine tell too figure this one out now. Good luck on this one now!
  • fordsrmefordsrme Member Posts: 22
    That's a joke here. The Ford has every single advantage over the Tundra. There is not ONE thing the Tundra can do better than the Ford statistically. All this and the Ford's more reliable and cheaper!!!


    Time for this here topic to close.

    The BEST never REST!
  • jambojambo Member Posts: 28
    Fix Or Repair Daily is not an advantage. I will be at the finish line waiting for you. Then we can compare maint logs on what advantage is all about.
  • xspechtxspecht Member Posts: 27
    If you compare like things, such as the Ford with the 4.6L V8 and the Tundra with the 4.7L V8 you would see that the Tundra can out tow the Ford by about 1,000 pounds as well as the fact that it has 25 more horses than the Ford and 25 ft-lbs. more torque. It can also get to 60 a lot quicker and sees the mechanic a lot less. I just don't think comparing a 5.4 to a 4.7 is fair, do you? As far as cheap goes, a Ford is cheaper in every sense of the word.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    5.4 vs 4.7, I mean you have DOHC so why not? You want to compare a lighter truck to a heavier one, how is that fair? As for seeing the mechanic I can guarantee those toyota parts will be at least 5 times as much as Ford parts.
  • xspechtxspecht Member Posts: 27
    It is a 31 pound difference in weight on the 4.6 vs. the 4.7. Does that make for a 1,000 lb. difference in towing and over a second in 0-60? I think not. As far as parts goes, the only part you have to buy on a Toyota is an oil filter, and they aren't more than $9.99. The only other thing would be tires, and those are all the same, so I don't see your point on the parts thing.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    I meant weight of the trucks. And a $10 oil filter? A GM one is $2.00 dont know about the Ford but I'm sure its about the same. Look at the price of alternators, last time I did $700 for an import less than $100 for the American one. My point was the toyota weighs less (or should as a midsize) and has DOHC.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Your quality and reliability issues with Toyota are false.There are more problems posted at your own site www.tundrasolutions.com in the last 20 days by only 600 or so members than I have seen at any Ford ,Dodge or Chevy site. Your Tundra you are comparing 4.7 vs 4.8 is probably 6 to 10 grand more.I'll keep the cash and feel proud that I am supporting my own Country. Good Luck on this one.
  • dbhulldbhull Member Posts: 150
    What I say is fair, would be to compare the largest powerplant each class has to offer. That means the wimpy 4.7l Tundra against Fords 5.4l, Chevy's 5.3l, and Dodges 5.9l.

    Why not? Toyota thinks it has a full size 1/2 ton, so lets put the biggest each has to offer and see who beats who. I think anyone with any sense knows that the Tundra would finish dead last in all catagories, even reliability.
  • jambojambo Member Posts: 28
    On paper the ford or chev should be faster but in real life it is not the case. I have had both the ford and dodge in the past four years. The 5.9 dodge was slow and chewed up front tires because of bad front to back balance design. The ford was a nice truck but not as quick and a gas hog. Tundra is just faster at 4.7 . All were and are 4x4.
  • rooster9rooster9 Member Posts: 239
    Open your eyes on this one. Go to www.f150online.com if you want to see what problems are. 6 to 10 grand more? So you can get a big 3 truck for $17,000? I think not.

    Lets compare the Tundra's 4.7L to the Big 3's biggest motors then. The fact is: if any one of the Big 3 have a higher rear end ratio, the Tundra will take it in acceleration. If you gear them down, they will most likely eat up the Tundra, but yet eat up more gas.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I got this from the May '00 issue of Motor
    Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
    pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
    Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
    gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
    8000lbs). They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.

    You would think that this would be a mismatch.
    The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
    seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.

    Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
    overall performance and sophistication - on road
    and off - we have to say Tundra."

    Now this sounds like Tundra brought a gun to a gun fight - and won. The Silverado just got its [non-permissible content removed] kicked.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Grab hold of that magazine that you love quoting and read the fine print. Check out things like curb weight and rear end ratios. If you read the vehicle specs thru, the tet results make a lot of sense. They could've written the conclusion first then gone and picked out the trucks to match what they wanted the results to show.

    The tundra may or may not be an excellent truck. You won't find out from reading that comparison. It would be great if one of the magazines out there would do a fair comparison. Even consumer reports did the same thing when they picked their trucks. They e-mailed the specs to me when I requested as they didn't print all the specs.
  • jaijayjaijay Member Posts: 162
    On the consumer reports article, what was the rear ends used in the those trucks? I read the article and noticed that they did not say what they used or when towing do they use the Tow/haul mode in the Chevy.
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