The Big 3 and the domestic issues that will affect them

plekto

How do you think it went?

P.R. and telling us what he thinks we want to hear. In a way, he's a master of spin like Clinton was. 100% lies while he does whatever he wants.

That even 30% of the country believe in him still is astounding. But yes - nothing happened. Nothing will. He was raised to believe that whatever is good for business and oil is good for America. Born into it, raised, his first job in it...

Plus, it's not the government that decides this - it's the energy companies. They don't need government handouts to make the stuff(which is what the proposals boil down to)

P.S. Bet you Haliburton gets the contract for the Immigration Wall. Sigh.

rockylee

:sick:

Rocky

iluvmysephia1

new car ads on the Immigration Wall after it's built?

Was that in bad taste? :surprise:

After all, it is built being in America, eh?

lemko

...I wonder if Mexican Presidente Vincente Fox will be someday be standing beside the "Immigration Wall" saying to a crowd, "Mr. Bush! Tear down this wall!"

PF_Flyer

No need to spin off topic here.

rockylee

Wagoner wants the bankrupt parts supplier, UAW to come to contract agreement by Labor Day.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060603/AUTO01/606030356

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060608/AUTO01/606080384/- 1148

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060608/AUTO01/606080360/- 1148

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060607/AUTO01/606070369/- 1148

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rockylee

But Asian automakers still on better terms with North American parts makers, survey says.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/AUTO01/606120376/1148

Another good read.....

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rockylee

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/AUTO01/606120318/1148

Rocky :surprise:

rockylee

:P http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=115704

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fintail

I'm going to have to wait for my Chin-E Class? Darn

I hope the things never hit these shores...with the lowest common denominator sinking lower by the minute, it could get ugly.

rockylee

Agree pal....I'm not sure how low we as a society will go. I'm really worried that we as a society will allow China, to overtake us as a economic superpower and we are going to see a Ameruro currency to further move us to a one world government. Perhaps this is what Mises was hoping for ?

If he was then he is cheering. I don't mind Canada being part of the United States, since they have something to offer us. Mexico OTOH has nothing to offer us unless we can lock up all the drug lords. :mad: I'm just afraid that these Chinese cars will have enough clout to be loved by some americans. Hyundai is atleast South Korean. Then if that's not bad enough, look at what India has on board. They can make cheaper cars then China. So basically us average folks are going to get lower quality products, instead. The "free markets" like Germany that have similar standards of living" have improve quality overall of cars, but when you throw in two unfair traders into the mix, then the producers with higher standards of living are going to have to off-shore just to be competitive. The end result is a Chin-E-class car built by slave and/or child labor. :sick:

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lemko

Future scenario at Sam's Lot - A Division of Wal-Mart:

Customer: There's a rattling sound coming from the left rear quarter of my new Chin-E-Class.

Mechanic (holding strange withered object): Here it is, sir, I've found the source.

Customer: What is it?

Mechanic: It's the mummified remains of a Chinese kid's hand that was severed in a 20-ton press.

fintail

I agree about the competition among similar standards of living, and the amoral labor conditions existing elsewhere. A unified North America could be good...but we'll only unify in ways that help corporate interests.

Personally, I would have a hard time having much faith in a car made by someone earning $2/day.

rockylee

Well Lemko, I fear that's the future. The Mechanic is probably a illegal alien.

Rocky

rockylee

Yes this is a very touchy topic. I'd welcome Mexico and Canada as being one country or atleast one currency as long as it can be a benefit to all of us involved.

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rockylee

CEO says company doesn't have time for endless gatherings as it struggles to right ship.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/AUTO01/606130342/- 1148

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/UPDATE/606130411/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/UPDATE/606130412/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060621/OPINION03/6062103- 68/1148/AUTO01

A must read !!!!

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/UPDATE/606200433/- 1148/AUTO01

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P.S.

$250 million in payouts....ouch ! :surprise:

rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/UPDATE/606200423/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/AUTO01/606200420/- 1148/AUTO01



I'm sure many more of this will be coming :sick:

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/AUTO02/606200397/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

June 19th.

But in trucks and SUVs, Japanese gain in traditional Big 3 stronghold.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060619/AUTO01/606190340/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060621/NEWS99/606210470

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rockylee

It will upgrade 3 plants there, but spot for new one up in air

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060617/BUSINESS01/606170319/10- 14

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rockylee

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060618/BUSINESS01/606180622/10- 14

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rockylee

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/BUSINESS01/606200404/10- 14

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rockylee

Uh Ooooooooh :surprise:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/BUSINESS01/606200424/10- 14

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=AUTO01

GM claims it provides healthcare for 1 in 271 americans. OMG :surprise:

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/UPDATE/606260409/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

Brash newcomer challenges incumbents at VW, Renault, Opel

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/AUTO02/606270301/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

Sick teen sees ideas come to life

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/METRO/606270353/1- 148/AUTO01

This is a cool article but heart touching

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rockylee

Supreme Court case may alter how patents are issued, make it easier to challenge them.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/AUTO01/606270316/- 1148

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/AUTO01/606250323/- 1148/AUTO01

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rockylee

Lawsuits against automakers, suppliers allege improper accounting led to retirement fund losses.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/AUTO01/606240366/- 1148/AUTO01

Looks like some more salt in the wound. :surprise:

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iluvmysephia1

is going to compete well globally wherever Dodge decides to export it to. That new "world" motor looks to be solid and the body style seems to be a hit with a lot(not all)American consumers. It looks good to me, although I'm more interested in Dodge's new Hornet that will soon get a green light for production and may, just may be built in Mexico for Dodge by VW.

rockylee

How departures will affect GM facilities

Plans for all plants and facilities have not been released. Ten plants are slated for closure. Two plants have already closed.

TRANSMISSION

and ENGINE PLANTS

Willow Run transmission in Ypsilanti. 1,163 of 3,300 leaving.

Livonia engine plant. 153 of 391 leaving.

Romulus transmission plant. 469 of 1,750 leaving.

Warren transmission plant. 444 of 1,230 leaving.

Flint North Engine Plant. 1,107 of 2,300 leaving.

Flint South Engine Plant. 216 of 600 leaving.

Toledo transmission plant. 1,226 of 3,200 leaving.

ASSEMBLY PLANTS

Hamtramck, which builds Cadillacs and Buicks. 638 of 2,840 leaving.

Pontiac, which builds pickups. 957 of 4,000 leaving.

Flint, which builds work trucks. 579 of 3,500 leaving.

Orion, where the Pontiac G6 is built. 1,014 of 3,000 leaving.

Oklahoma City, made midsize SUVs and is scheduled to close 1,533 of 2,364 leaving.

Doraville, Ga., a minivan plant slated for closure. 1,531 of 2,700 leaving.

Spring Hill, Tenn., a Saturn plant. 1,356 of 4,800 leaving.

STAMPING AND PARTS PLANTS

Pontiac metal plant. 887 of 1,900 leaving.

Lansing metal plant. 608 of 1,880 leaving.

Grand Rapids metal. 672 of 2,100 leaving.

Saginaw metal casting. 294 of 1,300 leaving.

Saginaw malleable plant. 159 of 266 leaving.

Grand Blanc metal. 308 of 1,001 leaving.

Flint tool and die. 97 of 320 leaving.

OTHER FACILITIES

Other Lansing plants, including the Grand River and jobs bank and car plant. 2,883 of 7,095 leaving.
Warren Tech Center. 701 of 2,855 leaving.

Milford proving grounds. 158 of 450 leaving.

Source: General Motors

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imidazol97

Rocky,

I don't see Ohio plants (Vandalia, Dayton, Kettering) mentioned in the list.

rockylee

I don't think any of those are going to close pal. I do know the Dayton plant will stay open since my co-workers son lives in Ohio and works at that GM plant. They make SUV's there. The others I'm unaware of there status.

Rocky

imidazol97

The list was GM; I was blurring those with the Delphi plants in the area that are closing. The GM plant is staying open into the future. They ought to; they sucked enough subsidy money from the local communities by threatening to move their football team to another city if the locals didn't pay for building them this and that--oops I meant auto plant. The extortion technique is the same as the BenGals and other teams have used and I got them confused, grin.

rockylee

Yeah the Delphi plants will be closing it's doors. Only "8" will remain here in the U.S. and god only know just how long they will stay open unless the trade laws get reversed in 08' if somebody like John Edwards win.

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rockylee

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/AUTO01/606290374/- 1148

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P.S.

Look like Diamler doesn't want to be part of the Big 3, thus leaving us the BIG 2.

rockylee

Employees fight back against automaker and parts supplier Visteon over reduced pensions.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/AUTO01/606290353/- 1148

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rockylee

DaimlerChrysler chairman draws German, American units together

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/BUSINESS01/606290425/10- 14

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rockylee

Chrysler touts DCX chief executive on interactive Web site as part of bold new marketing campaign.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060630/AUTO01/606300397/- 1148

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rockylee

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=116026

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