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I recently bought a 2005 T@B trailer, which according to title weighs 1500lbs. It has surge brakes, and an emergency stop cord. I have a 2007 CRV, with a tow capacity of 1500lbs. I plan on getting a Kurt hitch and a transmission cooler installed.
I plan on putting MAYBE 100-150 lbs in the trailer. My son and I together might weight 200lbs. I may put another 100-200 lbs of stuff in the CRV.
I have read this entire board and seen both the pros and the cons of towing over the max. rating. I have also been told by some that it is completely doable, while others have said no way.
So I am just a little confused at this point, and would LOVE to figure out what the reality of it all is...
and he included a bunch of pictures. But I can't read all text on right side of columns and worse, there are no reply buttons cuz they are also on the right.
Even the poster below his, even tho no pictures, their post is also chopped down the right side. I suspect the picture posting is what screwed it up. I really wanted to see what was written though.
Any ideas why it is not displaying properly? >>
So as you can see I wasn't able to read all of your post nor reply to it cuz the right side page is chopped and that is also where the reply buttons are if i remember. I had to create a new message in order to post.
Is anyone else having this difficulty viewing the page?
Sorry, I would really like to know what you said too. Was a very informative post
edit - But if you copy/paste your message again here on this page but without the pics on this page I will be able to see it, it seems after posting mine here now. I can read all of the posters post below yours now that it is on this page.
The pictures are too big for the page, causing the posts below it to run over, as well. But, if you start with the next post, you'll be able to read, reply, etc..
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kyfdx
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edit- yes please, post (c/p) here, so far this page isn't chopped.
I still don't have a save/reply box so had to subject line you
edit- yes please, post (c/p) here, so far this page isn't chopped.
this time it gave me a save/reply icon? weird..
edit 2 - ok - i have to click on the post # in order to get a box that includes the save/reply - but still can't see the post i want because it is on the previous page.
Clicking on #112 wouldn't fix it, but clicking on my own #113 did, but only on this page, as soon as i go PREV page, it is back to #111 at the bottom and nothing lets it display in whole.
Ok, i managed to drag and highlight it and c/p it myself into a text file and was able to read it that way. Still seems to be glitch though if clicking the post below his post # doesn't make it display right. I guess because #111 is a bottom of that page by chance.
Very interesting though that the Element managed easier. It is heavier and not as aerodynamic as the CRV. The one difference it the gearing. It is geared lower to allow for its extra weight etc. but what is shocking is that it, in 5th, was more capable than the CRV in 4th. That is astonishing. I wonder if the Element is tuned differently also and has a more useable fuel map if needed. (which of course would use tons more fuel if it does, but also would increase exhaust manifold temps considerably).
Aside from oil and tranny coolers when towing, exhaust temps is another result that few owners or even journalists comment on when towing.
As for your 120kph pull being easier than 100kph, I believe it. I get better mpg at 100kph than I do at 80kph. And it is true that Honda engines especially acquire their torque at higher revs.
For interests sake, with my 05 5 speed I managed 26.5 to 27.5 mpg all winter with 2/3rd rural hwy and 1/3 city driving. It'll go up now that the warmer wx is here. But it is hard pressed to get the numbers it is supposed to on a regular basis. It doesn't seem to have as much torque taking off in a hill as my X Trail did, and requires more clutch slipping. But it runs smoother, if radio is on you sometimes look down and realize you are still in 4th or even 3rd at rare times. Now that is a smooth running 4 cylinder.
If someone is smelling a hot automatic transmission, that transmission is being abused and overheated. It's life will be shortened.
Trucks and large SUV's are much better suited for towing.
I know I wouldn't buiy a used CRV with a Class 3 hitch on it.
On another note, the Element has the K24 engine, the same as a 2001+ CRV as my 1999 has a B20Z engine, 2 litre instead of 2.4 for the element.
My guess is that a 2001+ CRV would tow as easily as the Honda Element.
Thanks!
"Well I didn't buy a Gitan finally, I went with a trailer-tent instead. It's a big one however, 12 feet long and weight about as much as a Gitan. Actually the Gitan weights less on the tongue than my Bonair, I can lift up a Gitan by myself but I can't lift my tent-trailer (about 200 lbs on the tongue is my guess, I got 2 20 lbs propane botles and a 60 lbs deep cycle battery).
I drove a lot of millage with it and it does pull hard when I get up hills. On the flat it's really easy to pull but it seems to have a lot less trouble pulling at 120 km/h than at 100 km/h. The RPM is higher and the CRV delivers more torque I guess. At 100 km/h going up an overpass brings the speed to about 85/90 km/h if I floor it and don't downshift.
Breaking isn't as much of a concern as I tought, I even had an electronic break controller installed and I'm not even using it anymore (I would need to have the Bonair breaks fixed).
The main problem for me is that I like to go in the woods and as I expected the clutch isn't up to the challenge when going up hill from a stop. I'm looking to change my CRV to a bigger, automatic SUV.
I also moved my girlfriend with a rental trailer witch was a lot more heavy than the tent trailer. Pulling it wasn't that bad altough we were on the flats all along. The suspension had alot of problems, the shocks were at their lowest.Even when I'm towing my Bonair, the rear suspension is really low. The coil springs arn't stiff enough.
On a different note, I've pulled the tent trailer with a lot of my friend's different vehicules and one of them has a Honda Element. It's the same meccanic as a 2001 + Honda CRV and it pulled my Bonair butifully. We were 4 in the Element fully loaded and it didn't even need to downshift a big hill around my place where I have to floor it in 4th gear to stay up to speed.
As a bonus, the CRV near a lake"
Well I didn't buy a Gitan finally, I went with a trailer-tent instead. It's a big one however, 12 feet long and weight about as much as a Gitan. Actually the Gitan weights less on the tongue than my Bonair, I can lift up a Gitan by myself but I can't lift my tent-trailer (about 200 lbs on the tongue is my guess, I got 2 20 lbs propane botles and a 60 lbs deep cycle battery).
I drove a lot of millage with it and it does pull hard when I get up hills. On the flat it's really easy to pull but it seems to have a lot less trouble pulling at 120 km/h than at 100 km/h. The RPM is higher and the CRV delivers more torque I guess. At 100 km/h going up an overpass brings the speed to about 85/90 km/h if I floor it and don't downshift.
Breaking isn't as much of a concern as I tought, I even had an electronic break controller installed and I'm not even using it anymore (I would need to have the Bonair breaks fixed).
The main problem for me is that I like to go in the woods and as I expected the clutch isn't up to the challenge when going up hill from a stop. I'm looking to change my CRV to a bigger, automatic SUV.
I also moved my girlfriend with a rental trailer witch was a lot more heavy than the tent trailer. Pulling it wasn't that bad altough we were on the flats all along. The suspension had alot of problems, the shocks were at their lowest.Even when I'm towing my Bonair, the rear suspension is really low. The coil springs arn't stiff enough.
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On a different note, I've pulled the tent trailer with a lot of my friend's different vehicules and one of them has a Honda Element. It's the same meccanic as a 2001 + Honda CRV and it pulled my Bonair butifully. We were 4 in the Element fully loaded and it didn't even need to downshift a big hill around my place where I have to floor it in 4th gear to stay up to speed.
As a bonus, the CRV near a lake
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Just because they "can" do something, the strain is tremendous and the car will pay a price.
You idea of buying something that was built to tow is a great idea!
Edit...I would not want to buy that CRV!
Honda can take a beating and still run well!
My guess is that a 2001+ CRV would tow as easily as the Honda Element.
Element has K24 block but a slightly different head than the CR-V. 2002-2006 CR-V has K24A1, while I believe Element has K24A5 or A3, someone with the Element can confrm that.
The 1997-1998 CR-V has B20B engine
The 1999-2001 CR-V had B20Z engine.
Probably because Element is only a 4 seater, while CR-V is a 5 seater. I wonder if the total loading capacity is the same for both vehicles.
Total weight the car can move up the road is 2200 lb. (plus its own weight of course, which is apprx 3600 lb).
Total weight the car can carry including driver is 850 lb. (it does not elaborate regarding fuel weight so it can be assumed that you may have a full tank also) Gross weight of car only and its occupants is 4450 lb.
Total weight the car can tow including weight of trailer itself is 1500 lb.
Ideal weight distribution of trlr load is to have 10% of it as tongue weight. This would be 150 lb. That 150 lb is deducted from passenger cargo, so that now becomes only 700 lb.
Elaboration; total passenger and cargo weight limit including the driver and a potential tongue load of a trailer is 850 lb. i.e. Weight limit in or on the car is 850 lb. If you are towing a trailer of maximum weight then the ideal tongue load will be 150 lb. This 150 lb will reduce interior cargo and passenger weight limit to 700 lb.
It also goes on to say that any trailer gross weight exceeding 1000 lb requires that the trailer has its own brakes. So Honda is suggesting that the max allowable weight the car could be going up the road with and being able to stop safely without extra brakes on a trailer is only 1700 lb. That 1700 lb consists of all passengers, all cargo, all tongue weight, all weight in a trailer and the trailer weight itself.
Naturally there are drivers of varying skill levels. Some are also skilled at levels that can even include trailer towing (which should never be taken for granted). And some will be better trlr towers than others also. So some of us (I drive tractor trailer and have stayed out of trouble for a couple million miles) could manage a bit more weight than Honda's stated capacities and still be relatively safe. But if you exceed the limits by very much, then you increase wear and risk on all drivetrain components to a level that might exceed normal life expectancy. Smooooth, is key. Every action you perform behind the wheel should be both previously anticipated, (your interaction on the road with other users should be anticipated and defensive...look for what can or might go wrong and drive accordingly and make allowances prior to it becoming and urgent action) and smooth.
Any advice would be great
I am going to put on a hitch. 2000lbs or 3500lbs hitch. only a 50 dollar difference between the two.
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Then you need to get the weight of the U Haul trlr you choose, and weigh the tongue.
Then you load it. As you load it, set a pc of thick plywood over your bathroom scale to protect it from the concentrated weight of the tongue jack on the trlr. This will tell you the weight as you load. Follow the directions in your OM as it elaborates in telling you how to load the trlr and the progression as you load. The closer you get to the centre of the trlr axle and then any load cantilevered aft of the axle will lighten an initially heavy tongue load.
As for hitches, I doubt those are weight-distribution hitches. i.e. they have the ability to force some of the weight atop the front axle of the car also. They do this with special hitch and trlr tongue parts. If the 50 extra dollar one is W_D'g and IF the U haul comes with that type tongue ability also, then go with that hitch for sure.
Don't forget about the potential need for brakes on the U Haul if the weights apply. Again, is all explained above and in your OM.
Simply weigh your parcels in the the vehicle. All the info u need is in 135 above.
(Just so you know, no matter what you do, your 07 CRV is not designed to tow 3500lb 1200 miles, no matter how skilled or what hitch assembly you choose).
Safe trip.
As for the hitch, I'dd get the 3500 lbs, it's better to be safe than sorry... The 3500 lbs will also be better if you ever plan to put a bike rack with a few bikes.
I'd say tongue weight and gear ratios are the biggest factors.
I have 13 uhaul boxes (4.5 cubic ft per box). i am guessing that i could take 4 boxes in the back of my cr-v and the rest is the trailor which gives me more room to try and get some sort of even playing field with the trialor. i have 2 friends helping out who have used trailors before and travel long distances. I was told that i may need "special" mirrors but everyone i have spoken with, do not use it but state use common judgement.
For example, a collegue of mine was using a Toyota Thundra to tow laminate floring. He had 2 pallets to bring. He was at the store and saw this incredible sale so he put the first pallet in the truck bed. The suspension was loaded and the mud flaps were rubbing when he would hit a bump. He says the truck was really unstable. He then hooked up is trailer and picked up the second pallet and he says he brought the pallet home with no problem at all.