Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave

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  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    Nope, $48k CDN = $42k US. Add about 14% tax on top of that in Canada, and you have $55k! Yep, $55k CDN for an Acadia (nearly $48k US) that is not even close to being fully loaded. If you do load it up with NAV, sunroof, HIDs, it reaches $55k, and with 14% tax you almost reach $63k.

    Doing CDN to US conversions can be misleading; I just look at it this way: if someone in Canada makes $100k and someone in the US makes $100k, the guy in Canada will have much less left over at the end of the year after buying his Acadia.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Taht is one reason why in Canada they do not sell loaded high end vehicles in the same percentages as in the states. They are taxed much higher and do not have the income the states have.
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    Hi,

    I wonder if other people have found that fitting child seats in either the Arcadia or the Outlook is pretty difficult to virtually impossible. We tried our car seat in the GMC "captains" chair seats - it was impossible to make it work, as the head restraints interfered with the child seat... Things were not much better with the bench seat (but we want the captains chairs for easy access to the 3rd row!)... On the Outlook the head restraint design is marginally better and different. We just about managed to fit our seat in.

    These second row seats on both the Arcadia and the Outlook do not allow the removal of the head restraints! Aghhh! Making it impossible for us to fit our car seat ($300 Britax) into the GMC vehicles...

    We can just about force the car seat in the Outlook by reclining the seat, but the Arcadia is a no go... Bad, bad design for vehicle that is meant to fit some part of the family friendly spectrum...

    Hopefully GM will fix this in 08...

    Anyone else had this problem?

    Steve, CA, USA
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,687
    The high sales tax in Canada are to pay for the socialized medicine, if I understand correctly from media and from one visit to Sault St. Marie (never again). In US we pay income taxes to the feds and states. Does Canada have income taxes?

    Comparing taxation becomes a treacherous game so I'm back on topic.

    Your point is that high end loaded vehicles aren't as common in Canada because of the high price along with VAT.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Headrest are/should be removable. I will try and take a look . But if they are like others look for a small hole in the plastic bezel on the seat at the bottom of the headrest post. Pull the headrest up and stick a paper clip into the hole to release the catch and slip the headrest up.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    high end loaded vehicles aren't as common in Canada because of the high price along with VAT.

    Exactly. I was in Ottawa a few months ago and noticed that there are very few large, high end SUVs are compared to, say, Charlotte NC. Canada does have federal and provincial tax, as well as sales tax (although, funny enough, people pay less per capita for health care in Canada than we do here in the US).

    We're very lucky here: $40k gets you one heck of a nice Acadia with tons of options (sunroof, rear DVD, leather, NAV, basically everything I want). That's why I had to semi-laugh at my dad. I've now pointed him to an Outlook, which is cheaper than the Acadia. I'll see what prices he comes back with.
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    Which vehicle do you have? Arcadia or Outlook...

    We tried to remove the second row headrests on both the Outlook and the Arcadia... We tried with some force, and in both cases the second row headrests felt pretty solidly fixed. It's hard to even create enough space to see between the headrest and the seat top...

    The dealers didn't know how to remove these second row headrests and they checked the manual/handbooks, where it said nothing about being able to remove these second row headrests, for either the bench or captains chair configurations.

    Overall it's a sad fault on a so called family friendly cross-over. I bet people (Mothers) will get the vehicle home only to find their car seat doesn't fit!

    If you (or anyone else) knows the "trick" or "method" for there removal I'd love to hear about it...

    Steve
  • cravenfancravenfan Member Posts: 11
    Nothing except Conquest money on the Acadia. :mad:
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    In my car there is a button you press in on the right hand side of the headrest. You keep it pressed it and you just lift the headrest right out (with a bit of effort). But I guess you didn't find such a button...

    However, I have found I don't have to take out the headrest completely in my car: I just set it on the highest setting, and the top of the car seat just fits right under. Have you tried doing that in the Acadia/Outlook?
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    Which vehicle do you have? Outlook or Arcadia?

    On both the Outlook and the Arcadia, the front seats (driver and Passenger) have such a button to remove the seat head rests, but on the second row the headrests are buried deep in the shape/top of the seat top unit...

    See:
    See this picture...

    For the molding/situation...

    Steve
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Member Posts: 1,739
    Be the look of the picture the headrests are seperate from the seatback so if they went in there is a way to take them out. May not be user friendly but they should come out.
  • loachloach Member Posts: 246
    Pretty sure no one has an "Arcadia" because it doesn't exist. It's "Acadia" - named after the national park in Maine.
  • kimdvm1kimdvm1 Member Posts: 37
    I just got my acadia and am wondering if anyone has a solution to this wind noise. The car is nice and quiet with the windows up but lower the passenger window and loud wind thumping occurs. It happens about 42mph and up.

    IMHO, cars haven't been made for years to comfortably drive with the windows down. Back in the 70s, sure. But now engineers assume you are using the A/C on the highway and structure them for that. (yes I am old enough to remember the cars without A/C when I was a kid) :blush:

    You can usually tweak it by allowing a good crosswind to flow by opening some other windows.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,687
    The resonating drumming when a rear window is down can make my ear drums hurt because it's so strong. I think someone called it Helmholtz resonance. I learned to lower a front window slightly if I put the back one down and speed up above 35 or so and it starts.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    I could get them out :-) but I bet it wouldn't be pretty,
    and on a $40,000 vehicle I didn't want to butcher the thing!

    With a screwdriver and a box cutter they'd come out easy, but the vehicle would then look like crap.

    Apologies for the Acadia (not Arcadia, place or games venue)
    owners for the misspelling...

    Anyone got a telephone number for the engineering staff on both the Outlook and/or the GMC Acadia :-) ...?

    Still, this seat issue is going to make or break our purchasing decision...

    Steve
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    I don't know if I can post a direct link or not, but do a search on acadia forum. The group is quite helpful, and there are a couple of GM insiders who are particularly helpful.
  • russstanrussstan Member Posts: 10
    Check message 2041. This seems to imply that the poster was able to fit two seats in the second row.

    Russ
  • arohmanarohman Member Posts: 2
    Checked out this problem today with the 2 seats for my grandkids and found out that if I slighly reclined the seat (one notch) both car seats fit properly.
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for checking... Was this on an Acadia or an Outlook?

    We found, with our Britax (Wizard) on the Outlook, if we put the seat back all the way we could make the seat fit... So it's not quite a bust on the Outlook, but on the Acadia, for us and our (toddler friendly Britax Wizard) seat it is a bust... as it just won't fit.

    For infant seats, then there won't be any issue, it's just when the kids get to toddler size, then people may have issues fitting their seats... YMMV, ours did.

    For now the Acadia is not going to be an option, but we maybe able to *make* the Outlook work...

    Thanks to all who have thought about this and tried to see what may work...

    Steve
  • titelinestitelines Member Posts: 12
    looking for any towing reviews...

    fwd or awd
  • steve38steve38 Member Posts: 11
    Yes I have towed a few times with a large landscape trailer. I was NOT impressed....and I have a 4000 pound boat I will be trailering this spring for 600KLMS. MY LOADED Outlook has 4WD.

    However, on long trips (600klms) I can tell you that the vehicle actualy blows around the road. It is NOT a set and forget driving. You CONSTANTLY correct when you are on the highway doing 75MPH. My previous Durango would not FLOAT around the roadway like this. I love love the interior and confort and looks and mileage compared to the Durango, but this CUV is NOT NOT NOT a good towing vehicle in my mind.

    If I only tow a few times per year long distance, I pray it is not too much for the vehicle. If it is, I will be taking my truck back. That is how concerned I am.

    As I have only towed 1000 pounds before with 500 pounds of material INSIDE truck, can someone give me a take on towing 4000+ pounds long distance?
  • titelinestitelines Member Posts: 12
    concerned about your towing feedback. when you say "floating" do you mean the vehicle is not under control unless you have your hands on the steering wheel steering to compensate swaying? or does it just feel light with a load hithced up?

    towing 1500 lbs is like towing a heavy jon boat... not good.

    does anyone know what the "towing" button is for? change the rpm range for gears?
  • kimdvm1kimdvm1 Member Posts: 37
    Yes I have towed a few times with a large landscape trailer. I was NOT impressed....and I have a 4000 pound boat I will be trailering this spring for 600KLMS. MY LOADED Outlook has 4WD.

    However, on long trips (600klms) I can tell you that the vehicle actualy blows around the road. It is NOT a set and forget driving. You CONSTANTLY correct when you are on the highway doing 75MPH.


    I have never thought of swaying as having much to do with the towing vehicle (though it would be more exaggerated if your towing vehicle is light, as these CUVs are), but more with the type of trailer and hitch. A one-axle trailer with a lot of wind resistance will sway the most, and usually needs a sway bar to control it. We have always had sway bars for our campers, but hardly need it when we pull the dual-axle with the Denali.
    On the other hand, when we pulled a single-axle old trailer with an S10, the camper could nearly swing the S10 around the road and into the next lane.
    1) Get a sway bar; at least use it on the interstate , but unhook it if driving on 2-lane roads with a lot of turns.
    2) If you really tow heavy vehicles that much, you need a heavy towing vehicle. Putting a vehicle at its max towing capacity might be OK for a short, slow trip, but not on a regular basis.
  • barryo2barryo2 Member Posts: 18
    For all that want to know
    Enclave Rolls

    Pictures too
  • russstanrussstan Member Posts: 10
    Any ideas as to when they reach dealers?

    Also I saw a post awhile back about the Enclave having a narrower rear hatch and it would not take a 4X sheet of plywood. This does not make a lot of sense since that would seem to be an area of major structure that GM would not change. Any ideas on this?
  • boyntonblueboyntonblue Member Posts: 3
    The inside cargo area of Enclave appears to be the same dimensions as the Acadia and Outlook. The rear hatch is a different shape. In the Acadia and Outlook, the rear opening is as wide as the rear cargo area - In the Enclave, the rear opening is a little narrower than the cargo area.">
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Member Posts: 1,739
    4 to 6 weeks before they start showing up at dealers.
  • jsantangelojsantangelo Member Posts: 13
    Steve, you couldn;t be farther from the truth.

    Follow this link to see pictures of a Britax roundabout ($300) installed on a bench seat in an Acadia.

    http://www.acadiaforum.net/forum/index.php?topic=813.0

    Just in case the mod here removes it below are some pics.

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    I find most of the people here are quite misinformed about the Acadia and cause widespread panic about issues that are easily resolved.

    The headrest doesn't come out but it doesn't nedd to.
  • newz54newz54 Member Posts: 30
    I hope this information is helpful to anyone considering the purchase of an Acadia. Since the outlook is so similar it probably applies to it also.

    I have had my acadia for only ten days but have some observations. Since many have reviewed the car extensively.....I'll concentrate on the areas that I think need improvement.
    Overall I am very impressed with the vehicle. There isn't a sharper looking car on the road. I have been driving explorers for many years and find the acadia's cross-over design very refreshing. While the tranny is a little sluggish in the low end...it zooms above 30mph. Did I say it has a quiet ride....extremely. No suv here....it is a car. Btw, it is huge. Even though I test drove the car several times....I was not prepared for its size...especially its width. It barely fits through my driveway. Weird looking mirrors make it even wider.

    Suggestions-
    1)This car is not for short people. The windows are high so you will have difficulty seeing over the windows. The rear window is especially high so you can barely see a sports car behind you. Backing up will take time getting used to. Order the backup camera when it becomes available. Peace of mind. (btw...I am 5 foot 9 and have the seat raised as high as possible so I can see the front end of the car)

    2)If you just recently purchased an acadia...make sure they reprogram the transmission. Before this was done, mine seemed to take 5 seconds to slip into gear. While the reprograming has improved the tranny a lot...I still don't think it engages each gear as easily as it should.

    3)Don't shine up your dashboard unless you want to see everthing reflected in the windshield. Normally it is not a big deal but I would keep the armour-all away.

    4)A split rear window would be nice. It takes a little time opening the entire tailgate to drop in a bag a groceries . I didn't order the power lift option because it seemed to take even more time to open than to open it manually.

    5)If you do a lot of city driving , don't expect 18mph.

    6)If you have a narrow garage or driveway....strongly consider the power window option. Sometimes I fold my drivers mirror when things get tight.

    Everyone I show the car to is impressed....especially when I tell them I got my slt-1 for about 31k. It is a lot of car for the money

    p.s. I am in the process of installing a wireless backup camera/monitor. It is made by roadmaster. Consumer reports gave it a positive review. For about $100 you get a wireless camera that attaches to your licence plate bracket and an lcd monitor that you can plut into the power outlet . The only hard part is getting power to the camera...they suggest tapping into the backup light circuit so it engages when you backup. Without having a Haynes manual I am trying to figure out how to get to the backup light wires. I think I will have to remove the back panel. I'll tell you how this works out.
  • zplnfanzplnfan Member Posts: 18
    Thanks, newz54. That's one of the best contributions I've seen to this or other forums. You said it constructively (minus emotion and "my car is better") and therefore, made it all the more helpful. :)
  • barryo2barryo2 Member Posts: 18
    Follow up article on the Enclave rollout. It looks as if production is mixed for all 3 lamdas, so initial quality of build on the Enclave should match the others, as the same people assemble them with similar parts.

    Enclave Article
  • sboyd1sboyd1 Member Posts: 13
    While a 1/8 to 1/8 cable from the iPod headphone jack to the Acadia head unit will work okay, I'd suggest adding a line-out adapter, such as the one made by Sendstation. This will give you line-out quality audio from the iPod into the head unit and even if you're not an audiophile, you'll notice the difference.

    For the record, I've no affiliation with Sendstation. YMMV

    Steve
  • hardhawkhardhawk Member Posts: 702
    Does anyone have an Acadia in the Blue Gold color or an Outlook in the Ocean color? My wife thinks she would like that color but has not seen one yet. I was in a city today on business 2 hours from home and saw one. When cloudy, it looked gray. When the sun came out you could see the blue looking straight on and the gold tint in the metallic flakes when looking at an angle. Wish she could have been with me. On the pro side, it looks like it would not get as hot as the darker colors and be easier to maintain. On the con side when cloudy it looked sort of blah compared to the darker colors. All comments welcome!
  • drewbadrewba Member Posts: 154
    I'm not really up on such things, but would such a color be difficult to match if you needed to have bodywork done?
  • barryo2barryo2 Member Posts: 18
    Try this

    grey

    I think lighter colors are harder to see on the road, so its easier to pull out in front of one

    Just my thought.
  • exalteddragon1exalteddragon1 Member Posts: 729
    Have the cornering lights?
    It does have XENON or HID's though...

    I think the Enclave is just the best looking thing to come out from buick since harley earl. THe attention to detail in this car is unmatched by most cadillacs (Upcomming CTS and Escallade excluded).
  • hipreckhipreck Member Posts: 67
    Had my Outlook in today for service. The tranny update had been applied already, but there were two campaigns I had not heard about.

    7073 - Lubricate "I" Shaft and inspect liftgate
    7074 - Inspect console mounted switches

    These should also apply to the Acadia.

    A note on the review from the Acadia owner. I too find the windows/tailgate high (and I am tall). It's interesting that many cars are switching to the higher windows. To me it creates some visibility concerns and makes ATMs more interesting to drive up to.
  • nifty56nifty56 Member Posts: 279
    Had the same wind thumping on my 1999 Cavalier,
  • zplnfanzplnfan Member Posts: 18
    I agree with your comment on ATMs - I rented an Acadia for a weeken to test before placing my order. When I leaned out the window (a bit more effort than in my Mustang), I inadvertently pushed the lock button with my arm. As I tried to pull my back in the car, I discovered my arm was caught in the lock - I was literally stuck in the door. While trying to detach myself from the car, it took too long and the ATM swallowed my card. How odd was that... and how stupid did I feel? :blush:
  • kimdvm1kimdvm1 Member Posts: 37
    Steve, you couldn;t be farther from the truth.

    Follow this link to see pictures of a Britax roundabout ($300) installed on a bench seat in an Acadia.


    The roundabout is an infant/toddler seat. I believe the previous poster was trying to fit in a booster seat, which has a straighter higher back with its own headrest.

    My kids have outgrown car seats, but it is dumb not to have a removeable headrest anyway. There are various reasons that people like to remove them.
  • music287music287 Member Posts: 116
    I'm waiting for my dealer to get "official" prices for our ordered Enclave from GM Corporate since our deal is based on invoice price plus $__.

    Does anyone know if those prices are out there yet? I know that Edmunds and KBB are showing invoice prices and MSRP but when our dealer goes through the GM dealer online process we get "W/A" where the invoice prices should be.
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    I would think they have to be. They are building the Enclave already and dealers are taking orders. I may attempt to order one in the next few days and I have been told that they will sell for invoice. I'll let you know.
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for the pictures... clearly the link Britax Roundabout fits in nicely, but that seat is only rated (fwd) to 40lbs... When you child(ren) gets a little older, then we'll have to see what fits...

    Out seat is the Britax Wizrard (now the link Boulevard) and it's rated to 65lbs (fwd facing). As you maybe able to see in the Britax pictures the seat is considerably taller, and has the side impact restraints.

    It is this extra height on the Boulevard that interferes with the head rests in the Acadia to a greater extent, and to a lesser extent in the Sat. Outlook.

    Either way our preference would be to remove the head rest so the seat fits well and tightly into the seat.

    Many thanks to you for taking the pictures, but without removable head rests the Acadia is crossed off our list (shame, as we loved it)... Maybe we can make the Outlook work with its slightly different head rest design.

    I do hope you are not in for a surprise when you have to replace the Britax Roundabout for a larger seat...

    Steve
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    They really like mentioning the word "patented" in describing that car seat...almost gives you the illusion that it's the safest thing on the planet.

    Honestly, if you really like the Acadia, why not buy a different car seat? I have a 3 yr old and an infant, and researched tons of seats, and came to the conclusion that there are many well rated car seats that are much cheaper than the Britax, if replacement cost is what is bothering you. The Acadia has received an excellent crash report, so the vehicle itself is "safe", so to disregard it because of a car seat is a bit foolish.

    Of course, maybe many other booster seats won't fit well in the Acadia...
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    We have considered buying another car seat, but as kids do, they grow taller... and I'd expect many other booster seats to have issues and problems fitting too...

    For California, the rules are

    (1) Six years of age or older.
    OR...
    (2) Sixty pounds or more.

    Hence my concern that the headrests in the Acadia don't appear to be removable (ie. problem solved all round).

    If anyone out there has successfully removed a headrest without butchering the seat (either bench or captains-chair) I'd love to hear from them...

    Steve
  • kimdvm1kimdvm1 Member Posts: 37
    I keep seeing that the Enclave will eventually have the option of a center console with storage, 12V plug, etc. Has anyone seen an official word from GM as to when this is available? I am waiting for this before I order an Enclave.
  • rob81rob81 Member Posts: 2
    Lurker for months, ordered my XR AWD 3/24/07, captured immediately, then built, then shipped picked up today. Probably the quickest built, only cause the Enclave hit the line last week.

    Many operational questions, but I am here to help you all with the unsolvable car seat dilemma. Actually Saturn Rep figured it out and salesman told me over the phone, did not bring kids in to pick-up.

    Sorry no photos for you. Can be done with one set of hands, but two are nice. One mini maglite helps too. Ear plugs for little kids help too. First side took 2 minutes the other side 20 seconds.

    1) under headrest are two metal posts each shaft goes into a black plastic grommet.

    2) Easier with cloth, but can be done with leather if nervous try on dealer demo and teach them as well. Facing the headrest tackle one post then another.

    3) Gently push fabric/leather down metal shaft till you can see a tiny metal c-clip. One might have to tug it side to side to get the clip trough the hole cause clip is larger than the hole. It fits into an indent on the "left edge only" of each post. The clip can spin freely. It is hard to push fabric/stuffing down all this way maybe 3". Use free hand if you have one to open up c-clip with one finger and prop the side up slightly over indent. Now the other side is done with slightly less room to get in there. When you release the other shaft the rest should easily pop out. The flashlight helps you see what is happening unless you got the dual sunroofs.

    4) now you can store it in the back or turn it around but it does not now firmly affix because the indents are on the wrong side and the padding doesn't let it insert all the way in. The car seat fits much better now.

    I left them in backwards cause we will use then as seats as well. GOOD LUCK to all!!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Thanks Rob - that should give people some more options!
  • scfcarsscfcars Member Posts: 8
    This is good news for Saturn Outlook Owners... Thanks Rob...

    I wonder if the same C-Clip trick works on the Acadia? :-)

    Too bad it's so hard on a $40,000 vehicle, maybe the GM engineers will fix this for '08.

    Steve
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