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The new Accord V6 drove quite nice but I did not see that the VCM was active so cannot advise on how it worked. We get 25 in town on the TL and 30 on the road, so the Accord will be hard pressed to beat that. Our main complaint on the TL is its extremely harsh ride, which Acura admits has cost them some sales. The new Accord did indeed ride better than the TL, but even in EX trim, we will have to give up some nice features to return to the Accord. For example, Bluetooth for your cell phone is only available if you get NAVI, which costs about $2,000. Our City has enacted a law that we cannot use our cell while driving, which I can understand, so the Bluetooth on the Acura is nice.
I said thanks and left to wait for the time when it snows here in Ohio and they have nobody to talk to in the dealership. I am retired so in no hurry to line the pockets of the Honda dealer. The Acura TL will be new in the fall of 2008 so maybe we will see what they have to offer at that time. For now, Honda is trying hard to make maximum profit on the new Accord, even for long time past customers.
Hopefully, Honda's would come with the steering wheel controls.
Just told my wife the good news and she told me she still would prefer that I get the navigation if I get a new Accord. I told her that for the price I could get a portable AND the new LCD TV she wants for the living room. She could see my logic.
An even less complicated handsfree arrangement is a simple wired earbud. Costs less than $10 and works perfectly.
An even less complicated handsfree arrangement is a simple wired earbud. Costs less than $10 and works perfectly."
That is not as convenient as having a blue tooth built in to the cars audio system... an analogy would be driving a 10 year old Cavalier instead of a 08 Honda.. a Cavalier is less complicated costs less than $10K and works perfectly.
Heck why use a computer when we can use a typewriter?
Nice comfortable seats, taut ride, and a smooth engine. My wife thought the center stack looked "industrial". I know it has too many controls for her.
Here's my question.... The salesman told me that Honda has it's own (separate) GPS satellite which also updates the nav data base at no cost to the consumer. I'm guessing he's either ignorant or shining me, any comments?
I'd not deal with THAT salesman. He hasn't a clue.
Clearly he's wrong on both counts. Here's where you purchase new DVDs for Honda navigation systems for $185 + shipping.
https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadvdsales/naviorder.php
My 2004 Accord's 2003 Navigation System DVD is doing fine and I haven't felt any need to upgrade except when traveling into a newly built subdivision. 99% or more of the mapping data doesn't change. Points Of Interest (POI) change as companies go into and out of business. So you may not know that they've built a new coffee shop there when you drive to an unfamiliar neighborhood.
:confuse: Sounds like you haven't used a bluetooth earpiece.
It's as complicated as putting it in your ear. When the phone rings, you talk. That's it. Not a lot like a 10 year old Cavalier.
Are the V6's out yet? Has anyone driven/compared it?
Are the coupes out yet?
Are you talking about one of those things that look like a big bug landed on your ear. You could put one of those things on my ear, but you would have to give me a strong sedative first.
Blue ball with bluetooth:
Once you take care of those then you can get back to these:
Back to the 08 Accord and I failed to mention some other items that the Accord does not have compared to the TL, not only Bluetooth, HID headlights, automatic dimming mirror (Accessory on Accord) and the nice, separate control drivers seats. I know Honda of America has to make the two cars different, so understand. Also, the warranty on the TL is 48 Months or 50,000 miles, much longer than the Accord. Both cars are made in Marysville, Ohio.
School is out on that VCM and since the Accord Coupe with MT does NOT have it, I wonder if there is a computer lock out for the other V6's? Many folks who have driven it reported it is noticeable when active. I did not feel it but did not take it on a freeway.
The 08 Accord is a beautiful car, well built and drives like a dream. We will be hard pressed to decide when our dealership comes out of the clouds on pricing.
I think auto-dimming mirror is standard on some trims in Accord, the drivetrain warranty has been 5 years/60K miles for 2-3 years (on TL it is 6 years/70K). The top of the line Accord is not pretty close to TL (which will go up a step or two with redesign in the very near future).
It's available at College Hills Honda for $388:
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_accord_4dr_accessories/2008_accord_electr- onics.htm
Also, it is not any better than aftermarket bluetooth since it doesn't play through the stereo speakers and it does not mute the stereo. There are some aftermarket bluetooth systems that do plug into and mute the stereo.
You can get this unit for less aftermarket, then take it to a local stereo shop to have it installed for much less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuEBnhw_LHs
You can also just buy a portable nav that will double and triple as a bluetooth speakerphone and portable mp3 player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SF28uN7S8
Pairing Instructions
IMPORTANT!
You must press and release the HandsFreeLink talk button on the steering wheel and wait for the beep before you speak. This step is required before all spoken commands.
Power on the phone and ensure Bluetooth® is ON. Please refer to your phone's user guide for steps to turn on Bluetooth.
Press and release the Talk button on the steering wheel and wait for the "beep" before you speak. Repeat this step before all spoken commands.
Say "phone setup"
Say "pair"
Say any 4 digit PIN code for pairing. Remember it as you will need to enter it into your phone later. HandsFreeLink will now instruct you to begin the pairing process in the phone.
Press the MENU button on the phone.
Choose SETTINGS and press SELECT.
Scroll to CONNECTION and press SELECT.
Choose BLUETOOTH LINK and press SELECT.
Scroll to HANDS-FREE and press SELECT.
Scroll to LOOK FOR DEVICES and press SELECT.
Select the device name from the list.
The phone will ask you if you want to bond with the device Press YES.
Enter the 4 digit PIN from earlier step and press OK.
When prompted, say the desired phone name.
You should hear "pairing successful."
I looked at the link you gave and it was just a list of compatible phones. It didn't say anything about having to perform the pairing steps every time you got back into the car as you have claimed.
Well I found my phone. I see a link for the pairing instructions. But I didn't find anything that says I'd have to do it every time I get in the car.
Can you post a link to what you were specifically looking at?
Also, is it true that the bluetooth will be standard on some trims?? If this is true, I'll skip that $2k navi.
As of now, it is standard only in NAVI models. However, it is said that it will be available as a dealer-installed accessory.
The downside to dealer-installed version is that you will have to turn down the audio system yourself if it is on (on NAV equipped models, it takes care of that automatically).
:P
Mackabee
Here's another pic of your wanna be 5 series.
Let's move on.
Mackabee
So I've noticed... :P :shades:
Maybe the next TL will give a 6 speed and a upgraded engine. Honda, these obvious power train deficiencies won't go unnoticed, especially in the upscale EX V6 trim! better put your act together quickly on TL/Accord, or they enough (to me) to be deal breaker.
At the test track, the new Accord hit 60 mph in 7.1 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 91.8 mph. That's a solid improvement over the Accord in our last V6 Family Sedan Comparison Test, but it's still well behind the Camry V6 that whomped to 60 in just 6.5 seconds and scorched the quarter in 14.6 seconds at 97.3 mph.
The Camry's V6 is also rated at 268 hp and the Toyota weighs a little less than the 3,572-pound Accord, but the biggest problem is the Accord's engine electronics. With the standard VSA stability control turned off, the Accord's computer doesn't allow full-throttle acceleration until about 20 mph. At that speed, the car barks the tires and takes off, but by that time any chance of out-sprinting the Toyota is long gone.
Another advantage is the Toyota's six-speed automatic, which allows the car to exploit its V6 more effectively than the Honda's five-speed. It also helps the Camry return very good fuel economy (19 city/28 highway for 2008) without the use of a cylinder-deactivation scheme.
That said, the Accord's five-speed does its daily duties invisibly.