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Unless I'm smokin' crack, the car featured on "Dukes of Hazzard" was a Dodge Charger.
It's also amazing this late in the year no one still knows anything specific (engine specs, etc) about the new model Accord. For a car that is supposed to be sitting on dealer lots in less than 6 months, you'd think all the details have been decided by now. I guess it's a testament to the way Honda can keep a secret.
I'm thoroughly confused.
Is 35 MPG the goal for the automatic, 4-cylinder models?
(currently, under the new regs the 4-banger Auto indicate an estimate of 21/31).
http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp
And of course real life results will be different again.
If you look through some of the millage threads on this forum there seems to be a wider gap between the sticker numbers and real life for some cars and less for some Hondas. You can't just apply a blanket factor to existing numbers (which what EPA is doing), since Honda's numbers were closer to reality than some other maker's numbers.
I routinely hit 25 MPG highway in my Odyssey which is rated 18/25.
The 4 cylinder engine are so efficent and powerful, it seems like overkill to get the 6 cylinder this time. Especially with the oil crisis. I don't want to send any more of my money to the Saudis and Iranians than I have to.
The 1999 Accord V6 had 200 HP, really about 190 in terms of the new SAE horsepower standards. I figure the new 4 cylinder should have the same as the old v6.
The 4 cylinder engine are so efficent and powerful, it seems like overkill to get the 6 cylinder this time. Especially with the oil crisis. I don't want to send any more of my money to the Saudis and Iranians than I have to.
The 1999 Accord V6 had 200 HP, really about 190 in terms of the new SAE horsepower standards. I figure the new 4 cylinder should have the same as the old v6.
Those were my sentiments when picking out my car this time. Before my 2006 EX I4, my only car was a 1996 Accord, with 130 hp and a 4-speed Auto. In 1996, the V6 model had 170 horsepower (on the old SAE terms). Know what the hp rating of my I4 2006 model is under the old SAE terms? 170! (166 with the new guidelines) and that 170 is run through a more efficient 5-speed auto.
I imagine the new one (2008) will make the same leaps and bounds over your 1999 - maybe 180-185 hp for the 4-cyl (the Altima has 175hp, so I look for that as a minimum).
Diesels are not that economical here in Metropolitan New York where the cost of a gallon of diesel fuel is about 20% more than a gallon of regular grade gasoline. Howevermuch better the fuel mileage may be, the fuel price differential is the killer. Combine that with the extra cost of a diesel-engined vehicle and there's a much higher overall cost of operation on an annual basis.
Sure, maybe the diesel may cost a smidgen less in upkeep over its life, but not enough to balance out the extra costs, the weaker performance and the stink coming out of the tailpipe. And yes, I understand that the new generations of diesel engines will be cleaner than the current ones. And yes, I've seen the great Garrison Keillor "Hate Something, Change Something, Make Something Better" ads for Honda's diesels in the UK.
http://www.honda.co.uk/grrrgame/
Mea culpa. I wrote 20% when I intended to write 20¢. At any rate, I did not write "greater nyc" as you did. I wrote "Metropolitan NY". I haven't purchased fuel in NYC for forty or fifty years.
The UK Accord Saloon (our Acura TSX equivalent) manual transmission vehicles achieve the following combined (urban & extra urban) mileages (Imperial gallons, of course) according to the Honda UK website:
2.0 i-VTEC EX gasoline: 35.3 mpg
2.2 i-CTDi EX diesel: 51.4 mpg
Speaking of basic math, that's 46% better (rounded), not 40%. Please get the chip off your shoulder.
What is the extra cost of a diesel engine...maybe $1000??? If so, this would mean payback in 5.5 years, this is equivalent to earning about a 6.5% after-tax return...which is not bad.
OTOH, not sure I want to deal with poor heat in the winter, just to save $15 per month on fuel.
09 Accord I4 gasser vs. 09 Accord 2.2 iCDTi
They totally need to give us more info..lol
(Unfortunately, Fitzmall doesn't sell Honda).
As to whether or not it's overpriced, the price will be whatever it is. The only thing that will change is how much under sticker (or how close to invoice) can you get one for once the newness wears off.
I suppose in another 6 years or so you'll be able to get the new Accord for 1K (or more) under invoice like you can get an '07 now.
Who buys an almost $19,000 car without power mirrors?
And how would Honda differentiate the DX and LX models?
It has the body of a hatch, if they just put the hinge for the trunk above the window instead of below the window it would be transformed - much more usefull.
I don't get the aversion to hatches by some people/companies. Even the Corvette is a hatch - that does not mean it isn't sporty.