2008 Honda Accord Coupe and Sedan

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  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    I was looking at the 08 Accord sedan, I was actually thinking to myself, this is going to be hard, to pick the right exterior color, interior color, and really thinking the whole look of the sedan is quite blah, its bigger, and thought that the 06-07 model holds its own sophistication more. Don't get me wrong, its a nice design, but its not totally grapping my attention, that I am going crazy on wanting it. But, on the other hand, the coupe, in blue, with black leather is a piece of art work at its finest and only wish the put more into the sedan. With the coupe, I get the excitement.I need 4 doors though. I love the Accords, and really want to stay with Accord, but there are other contenders that are calling my name. I have been looking at the Acura TSX, probably more fun, but more to insure, I have been looking the VW's. I am lost to where to go really, but want to stay with Honda though. Has anyone else had this feeling, what have you been looking at, what should I do?
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Defer,Defer,Defer. Wait till you can get a diesel. Then, within the parameters of what you need,etc., get the car you like best.
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    TSX vs. Accord? What happened to TL vs. Accord? Even then, at least until the 09 TL shows up, my vote is for the v6 exl Accord. Great car, so far!
  • jodar96jodar96 Member Posts: 400
    There is something about Accord seats that bother me. I had a 94 Accord that had the same problem. Right above the lumbar support section there is a blug in the seat that pushes against my back. This is my wife's car, but we share the pain!

    They say it is there for good posture...Well I hate it and if I could I would love to take all that stiff/firm bulge out of there. It is the same push feeling against the back when power lumbar support is partially or fully used.

    In my brand new 94 Accord, I took the large plastic panel from back part of the seat, made a few up-down slits in the seat foam, and very carfully cut off some of the foam from the back portion. I never had any wrinkle in the fabric and the seat ended up having the exact back support I needed.

    On this 08, there is no back cover and the seat appears to be one piece. My 2001 MB E430 has the most comfortable seats. The seat contour in that car must be the bench mark for comfort.

    Any suggestions? in Camry/Accord/Sonata test drive, Sonata had the most comfortable seats, but the outside look was too bland to go with Sonata.

    Joe
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Have you considered tilting the seatback up or down one notch?
  • cstilescstiles Member Posts: 465
    I agree with you on the styling on the new Accord. It's certainly not ugly, but it's not an attractive car either, IMHO. But beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. It's an outstanding car but they can't make it look too nice, or it will cannibalize Acura sales. And it's a bread and butter sedan, after all, so it needs to appeal to a relatively conservative consumer.

    The TSX is in its last year, and a brand new model will be out within months. So, unless you somehow love the outgoing model (which is basically the Japanese and European Accord), I would wait for the new model. Although I am sure there are some good deals to be had on the 2008 TSX (and TL, for that matter).

    Photos of the new Pilot were released today, in conjunction with its introduction at the Detroit Auto Show. Honda is going into some interesting directions with their styling. Again, the new Pilot is certainly not ugly, but I am not sure if I'd call it attractive. It looks like a Ford Escape after a steroid injection. The interior is also different from anything I've ever seen from Honda. But again, if it looks too nice, it cannibalizes sales of the MDX. All in all, a good effort and it should do well once it is out.
  • bug4bug4 Member Posts: 370
    You also could look at the LX-P - maybe that is the best of both worlds?

    The HP difference between LX and EX is only noticeable at higher RPMs -- so I think it is a non-factor.

    I think the issue comes out to whether or not your mom is into the looks of a car -- aluminum vs. wheel covers (other-wise the cars look identical), whether or not she uses the car for long-distance driving (EX seats are more comfortable with their electric controls) or strongly prefers electric-control seat, and whether or not your mom cares about a sun roof.

    If I were buying an Accord for my mother, I would certainly go with the LX - the added features of the EX would be completely lost on my mother.
  • bearblackbearblack Member Posts: 8
    The main differance between them is large alumium wheels/tire combo Vrs Steel & wheel covers, sunroof and HP engine mods. Their's some more but thats were the real money differance lies.
  • bug4bug4 Member Posts: 370
    Its always dangerous to discuss subjective issues like exterior design on this forum - but I had a relevant (if not subjective) experience this weekend. I parked in a big parking lot at a ski resort and a new Infinity G35 pulled up next to me and parked. There was my silver 08 EX-L and this new G35. I'm not at all disappointed that I bought my Honda, but from a pure styling standpoint, I thought the G35 looked much better than my Honda -- and I mean MUCH better. Its lines were aggresive, but classy and so significantly more cohesive than my Honda. My Honda, while nice, looks pieced together -- the front and rear are both attractive, in their own right, but don't fit together in my opinion. The Infinity just flows from front to rear in a sexy, muscular and unitary design -- you study the front and you know how the rear is going to look -- you note the flow of the headlights and discover wonderfully consistent rear view mirrors and door handles.

    This is going to sound crazy, but, IMHO, the new 08 Hondas have a slight year 2000 American car look to them that I don't like. Take a look at a 2000 Ford Mustang or a 2000 Pontiac Grand Am. - there are some similarities with the 08 Accord. (I mean they all have four tires and a front windshield--- right :D ) Perhaps it is the neutered front end that the Mustang and Accord share, or the general 'wedge" feeling that the Accord shares with the Pontiac. I don't know, but I've pointed it out to a couple of other car aficionados and they have agreed --- one of them without me ever even mentioning the Pontiac!

    I love my Honda and would purchase it again -- but not because it wins the battle of exterior design!
  • phantomvphantomv Member Posts: 101
    Check Hendricks or Koons - I got $26,000 out the door (including destination) plus tax and tags, with all the things you mentioned.
  • phantomvphantomv Member Posts: 101
    2008 Accord EXL V-6 Sedan - Polished Metal/black

    I had the body side moldings installed on mine - we live in Manhattan. Almost a necessity - those beautiful slab sided lines look a lot better with body side moldings, no matter what you think of them, than pock marked down the side with door dings from being parked in parking garages!

    When I park the car I also put on bumper protectors (not permanent - go on and off real easily) - they park the cars rear bumper against front bumper in these places. You end up with with scarpes and paint chipped off all over the place otherwise.

    Kind of funny though - have to tell you. When I came back into the garage with the new Accord after donating our 1990 Acura Legend? The guys in the garage went crazy over it - could not believe how nice it was and how little I paid ($26,000 plus tax and tags). All this in a garage with MANY Bentleys, Aston Martins, Maserati Quattroportes, etc.
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    You seem extremely dissapointed!!
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    How fast are they? I'm not person crazy about driving at high speeds, but I want that's picks up speed quickly, how does the the above cars rate in that area?

    The 08 Accords seem to have very large bodies and I'm wondering if 4 cyl and 190 hp is enough get these cars going.
  • tslbmwtslbmw Member Posts: 172
    Wow, you are going thru the exact same issue with the Accord that I have. I LOVE the coupe's styling, but I could take or leave the sedan. Since you asked what else I've been looking at.....I test drove an 08 Altima 3.5SE CVT and the 08 Infiniti G35. I love the interior of the Altima and the exterior of the G35. However, I would be hard pressed to spend 36-38K on the G35 when the Altima feels just as fast, if not as lux. However, with all of this being said, I went to a car show in Va Beach, Va yesterday and have decided that I'm going to make the coupe work. My wife and I also own an 07 Honda Ody and have just decided that that will be the family car and I will only put the kids in the back seat of the Accord coupe when I HAVE to. But honestly, I just love the looks of the coupe in both blue and white. Now my big decision is whether I go with the 6 spd manual or 5 spd auto with the V6.....any thoughts there???

    Good luck searching....and I do agree that the new TL or TSX may be well worth the wait.....but will they look better than the new Accord coupe....probably not from my eyes.....
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    190 horsepower is enough to "get going." It's not going to be a road-rocket, but it should be sufficient enough, especially at the high-end of the tach. Passing power is going to be more impressive than the low-end pickup, but neither is going to get you run over at all.

    The power to weight ratio is very competitive with others in the class.

    Drive one, and see how you feel about it for yourself.
  • bug4bug4 Member Posts: 370
    Nope! I'm really not extremely disappointed. In fact, I'm not disappointed at all. I bought my 08 Accord knowing that it wasn't my "ultimate car" --- it simply was my "ultimate car for the money" :) I still believe the Accord is the best bang for the buck -- and I don't think its a bad looking car. I'm just very particular and love cars -- so I can't help noticed other cars that I find so attractive. I just hadn't noticed until this weekend exactly how much I like those G35s!

    I've just got a little crush :blush: ---- that's all. . . . .I'll stick with the girl I brought to the dance!!
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    So you bought it more for practical reasons as opposed to style?
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    I'm starting to believe now may not be a good time to get an Accord. They really seem hot right now. There aren't incentives for 08's at all. The dealers seem really reluctant to negotiate prices at invoice or slightly above.
  • shimrod5shimrod5 Member Posts: 1
    Are those prices for an Accord Coupe EXL V6 6-Speed?
  • phantomvphantomv Member Posts: 101
    Totally not true - I had quotes from dealers in Virginia, Georgia, Albany, NY, and New Jersey for a 2008 Accord EXL V-6 Sedan at $25950-26000 including the $635 destination charge. I bought my Polished Metal/black EXL V-6 Sedan for $26000 from Lia Honda in Albany but had a similar quote from DCH Honda in Paramus NJ, Mike Patton Honda in Georgia and Koons Honda in Manassas, VA. The deals are out there. Go the internet pricing route.
  • networkguynetworkguy Member Posts: 53
    The 08 Accords seem to have very large bodies and I'm wondering if 4 cyl and 190 hp is enough get these cars going.

    Just for a little perspective. I still own a 97 Accord EX wagon. I've stopped driving it because I bought a new car last year. I've loaned it out a few times to friends that needed a car temporarily. The 4 cyl. is rated at something like 144 HP. Being a station wagon, it's not small. It still does fine merging onto the highway or passing. It's not a fast car, but it doesn't make you fear for your life.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    I am not sure, I want something that big, like the 08 accord, I think it lost some of its sportiness, which before it really didn't wear that suit real strong, but I feel the previous generation accords have a bit more sport, and better stance. Its like it grew up. The 4cyl engine is great! I have never really thought I needed a 6cyl.

    Don't get me wrong, its an awesome car, and more than likely I will get it, but at this time, not sure I want a bigger family sedan, when I am only 23, hardly any passengers, I perhaps want something with much more fun factor,. I have the 06 Accord, and love the size!! It is perfect for me, but going smaller does bother me a bit. My car takes my family to florida, which is about 15hrs away. I am not sure what I want, but I am staying with Honda, Acura.

    The Accord rated really high.
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    I should have mentioned that I'm in Northern California (Silicon Valley) where nothing is cheap, not even Starbucks coffee. Many people here are very well off (except me) and its seems like they know it and assume everyone can afford high prices for stuff.
  • coolkatj5coolkatj5 Member Posts: 4
    I live in Los Angeles and the best deal i could get for my future 4-Cyl Coupe w/ Nav, Stick was 27,590. I looked everywhere for this car and had to place a deposit and wait. Now I'm just waiting for the call to go out and pick it up. It seems that no one has any 4-Cyl Coupe w/ Nav, Stick. For me, it has to be a stick shift.
  • jb_turnerjb_turner Member Posts: 702
    "I bought my Polished Metal/black EXL V-6 Sedan for $26000 from Lia Honda in Albany"

    Last month someone got the same in white for $26475 OTD.....you did very well indeed.
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    As I said before, these cars seem hot right now. No deals and incentives from the manufacturers. Maybe now might not be a good time. If you wait that might change, especially looking a sagging new car purchase market. It would seem that a car buyer should be able to get a better deal in a declining car market.

    From WSJ:

    AutoNation Car seller 10/24/2007 "[C]hallenging economic environment" in the third quarter "for new vehicle sales driven largely by continued weakness in the housing market in our key markets of Florida and California." New vehicle unit sales for California and Florida declined 11%.
  • khoeykhoey Member Posts: 35
    I got a black on black Accord coupe, EX-L V6 with Navi,6MT, around Thanksgiving. I got $1400 off of the sticker and accessory add ons. I wanted the car, the dealer had one scheduled for delivery, and they were willing to knock a few bucks off. I love the car. It is by far the best one I've owned. No complaints.

    I would agree that if I waited, perhaps til spring, I probably would have saved some money, but maybe would have had to compromise on something- color, trans, etc. No other dealer I contacted had one definitely scheduled for build and delivery. The later in the model year you look, the fewer options you have. Although I am in New York state, I don't think it makes a difference.

    I was willing to make the move. That's the beauty of the whole thing- we all can choose how we want to deal. Nobody should criticize me for buying now, and I can't criticize those who want to hold out.
  • personatechpersonatech Member Posts: 105
    I finally got to sit in an '08 Accord Coupe and, after having read lots of reviews complimenting its headroom, was sorely disappointed. FWIW, I stand 6'1" and prefer to drive in a fairly upright position - I guess these reviewers (some claiming similar heights) are guys who like to lie down when driving.

    Anyway, I plan to give the Coupe another chance once it's been properly prepped. It was just off the truck, so my somewhat irrational hope is that the seats hadn't been adjusted somehow. Also, are the leather seats actually different seats than the cloth (i.e. more "buckety") or are they simply upholstered differently? This was an EX with the cloth seats.

    One other observation: it was a nightmare getting into the rear seat! When you release a seat in my '99 Beetle, the entire seat raises and moves forward to allow gobs of space to get in the back. The Honda was positively old-fashioned - the seat back flopped forward and that was it!

    I love the styling of the Coupe - as far as I'm concerned it's in a class by itself. Sadly, I'm beginning to think that I may have to "settle" for a sedan, meaning I'll also consider a bunch of other cars like the Passat and Malibu. :(
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    i'm 6'1" and not long ago i sat in an EX-L coupe and had plenty of headroom...and no the seatback wasn't adjusted so far back that i was looking at the headliner ... :)
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    Of course you might get a better deal if you waited. However, if you check the previous posts, you'll find several good to very good deals in northern ca, myself included. Try Grace Honda (San Bruno) or Capitol Honda (San Jose), they both quoted me good deals on a v6, exl, I ended up buying it from Grace (right color and a little less than S.J.), see my other posts for specifics if you like. Depending on which model you are looking for, also see "sodaguys" latest post for Livermore Honda internet special.
  • dpmeersmandpmeersman Member Posts: 275
    I've lived in New England my whole life and have had many modern engines with fuel injection and am aware that when a modern engine starts on a cold morning for a period of time the engine idles at higher RPM's. My last vehicle had a remote starter and when I would finally get into the car the idle had kicked down to the normal 800-900 RPM. Several cold mornings with my 08 EX-L V6 I'll start the car and it idles around 1,200-1,400 RPM and because Honda recommends short idle times I'll only sit there for 1 to 2 minutes and shift to drive with a noticeable lurch due to the engine still revving over 1,200 RPM. If I try nudging the accelerator a bit before dropping it into gear it does not drop the revs. Is this normal? I would think that this engaging into drive at the higher RPM's could have long term negative impact on auto transmission. Any thoughts?
  • personatechpersonatech Member Posts: 105
    So there's hope for the headroom-challenged after all! Good to hear! I also read elsewhere where access to the rear seat might be better on the passenger side so I'll check that out as well.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Honda doesn't specify or recommend any warmup time at all.

    Page 286 of your 2008 Accord's Owner's Manual states:

    Drive (D) - Use this position for your normal driving. The transmission automatically selects a suitable gear (1 through 5) for your speed and acceleration. You may notice the transmission shifting up at higher engine speeds when the engine is cold. This helps the engine warm up faster.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    I also don't like the bump into gear at cold rpms. I make sure the drive is clear then when I shift the auto from park I quickly take my foot off the brake so the car can move when the transmission engages. Just my .02.
  • bug4bug4 Member Posts: 370
    Personally, I think the general consensus that idling is so bad, is misplaced. My Honda sits at about 1400 RPM for about 60 - 90 seconds when the weather is cold. Then, it lowers to just about 1000 - and eventually drops to 800 or so when it is fully warmed up. I have no problem waiting that 60-90 seconds before I start driving ---- makes me feel all warm and fuzzy --like I'm taking good care of my car :P It would be hard to convince me that idling my car for 60-90 seconds, while the engine warms, is worse on the engine/transmission than starting to drive it while it is cold. I can see that idling for long periods of time might build up crap in the oil and collect water in the exhaust -- but I personally will continue to warm up my car in the morning every chance I get! :)
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    Capitol Honda is high!! They quoted me price just under MSRP. I'm trying to get a price below invoice. Again, I don't think the time is right to purchase an 08 Accord. Fall/Winter 08 might be a better time or when the recession hits before a new President is elected.
  • nanorapturenanorapture Member Posts: 37
    How are you getting your price quotes?

    I hope you are NOT talking to a floor salesman or calling the sales dept. on the phone. Even worse is showing up to the showroom floor in person! You will not get your best deal doing any of these things.

    The only way to get the best sales quotes are talking to the internet sales person, and the best way for a first contact is via email.

    -Nano
  • kiefaber455kiefaber455 Member Posts: 16
    Picking up my new EX-L V-6 tomorrow afternoon at 2:00 pm--think I should be more excited about it than I am. But, that's my problem.
    Anyways, I will be leaving the tundra of western NY for the balmy skies of Florida on the 28th of January. Not a great deal of time for a break in period. Should I be concerned, or jsut get in the car and drive?
  • elroy5elroy5 Member Posts: 3,735
    I would try to get up to 600 miles before the trip. During the break-in period you should vary speeds often (not constant speed of 65-70mph like on the interstate). I think breaking the engine in the right way is VERY important.
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    The Sandman :)
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    I've been getting email quotes from the so-called Internet Sales/Fleet Managers. I'm started to believe that car dealers have started using regular sales drones for internet sales and calling then "fleet manager". I don't think they are really Fleet Managers. Those so-called Internet managers still want you to come to the lot so they can size you up where they can pull out all of their bags of tricks against you.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    look in your owner's manual...it'll detail a proper break-in. keep in mind that it's not just the engine that needs breaking-in... in fact i'd surmise that break-in is more important for the brakes...tranny and axles than it is for the engine which goes through some break-in procedures before it ever leaves the factory.
  • natenj1971natenj1971 Member Posts: 174
    Had the same problem. Sit in an EXL coupe, the power seat makes it so easy to find a comfortable position.

    I finally got to sit in an '08 Accord Coupe and, after having read lots of reviews complimenting its headroom, was sorely disappointed. FWIW, I stand 6'1" and prefer to drive in a fairly upright position - I guess these reviewers (some claiming similar heights) are guys who like to lie down when driving.

    Anyway, I plan to give the Coupe another chance once it's been properly prepped. It was just off the truck, so my somewhat irrational hope is that the seats hadn't been adjusted somehow. Also, are the leather seats actually different seats than the cloth (i.e. more "buckety") or are they simply upholstered differently? This was an EX with the cloth seats.

    One other observation: it was a nightmare getting into the rear seat! When you release a seat in my '99 Beetle, the entire seat raises and moves forward to allow gobs of space to get in the back. The Honda was positively old-fashioned - the seat back flopped forward and that was it!

    I love the styling of the Coupe - as far as I'm concerned it's in a class by itself. Sadly, I'm beginning to think that I may have to "settle" for a sedan, meaning I'll also consider a bunch of other cars like the Passat and Malibu. :(
  • cstilescstiles Member Posts: 465
    Why do you want the Navi? It's $2000 more. For $350 you can get an awesome Garmin Nuvi or Tom Tom that you can even take from car to car and has greater functionality. When the navi in your Honda gets outdated, you have to buy a new DVD at more cost. With a Garmin or Tom Tom you just go to their website and download the latest software. I ordered my 2008 6spd coupe w/o Navi, because I could not remotely justify the extra cost. I think it's inevitable that in future model years, navigation will become a much cheaper option given the competition, and to pay $2000 more is a bad investment. Just my 2 cents.

    Save the $2000 and spend it on the 6speed coupe. You get 18 inch wheels, almost 70 more horsepower, 2 seconds faster to 60mph, homelink, and much better resale and exclusivity IMHO.
  • cstilescstiles Member Posts: 465
    I got $2000 off MSRP on my 6speed. Had to order it and wait 2 months, but there are plenty of deals to be had if you just shop around a little. Thanks to the economy, it will be a buyer's market in a lot of places for much of 2008.
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    [Thanks to the economy, it will be a buyer's market in a lot of places for much of 2008].

    I agree. That's why I'm starting to think its best to wait. Let these car dealers face the effects of a recession and then they might be ready deal. When those Honda are not being sold a the rate they expect then it will become a buyers market. Right now the 08 Accords are hot. You don't see that many of the road right now, they seem hard to get. I think that will change by summer.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Well, I believe that my dealership is not even moving the Accords that fast at all. They only have 3 of them on the front lot, and they have lines and lines of cars on another lot down the street in storage. So they are up to capacity in Accords. They seem to be focusing on the Civic. The Civic has a full package with leather and navi available at a great price. I have only seen a few accords, here and there since debut. I laugh though when I see one, because I know that more than likely that they are overpaying on the accord. I don't think their too hot, but maybe they are, and people wanting them, and people see the final price, and go "WOW!. No way, I can get another car for that price. Anyway, I am waiting to make a move on an Accord. I am in no rush, They won't have this strict lease pricing forever.

    However, the 08 Coupe, is one Beautiful car! It truly is. Especially in red, or the gorgeous blue. Now, that is hot! 6spd, you got it made!

    I was looking at my dealerships inventory of the Accords, and a salemen snuck up on me, practically shouting, "Hello, How can I help you?" He scared the crap out of me! He said he was loud, and I said that I was just looking. He was like a lion, ready to pounce on me. I told him, I am not buying from this dealership, I was just looking at their inventory.
  • amad1amad1 Member Posts: 123
    [However, the 08 Coupe, is one Beautiful car! It truly is. Especially in red, or the gorgeous blue. Now, that is hot! 6spd, you got it made! ]

    I agree. I like black on black with leather interior. I have been doing research on cars. I think I've narrowed it down to Camry or Accord Coupe. I'm leaning toward the Accord Coupe since I really don't want a family Sedan since I'm a very thin and the only person that will be in the car 95% of the time.

    I was thinking about getting a used 2007 Mercedes C-230, but dealer don't want to budge from their dealer price, even though I showed them they are over charging for the car. Also, I read a lot of bad things about Mercedes, particulary the C class. JD powers and Consumer Reports ranked them real low in terms of reliability.

    I don't know about the 08 C-300's (fantastic looking cars) but a out of my price range. I'm hoping that the types that will spend 40k on C-300, due to the economy, won't decide to get smart and start purchasing Accord Coupe's increasing the demand for them. They probably won't because those types usually thumb their noses at Japanese made cars.

    Anyway I need a reliable car because I plan to keep my car for the next ten years. That is what lead me to Honda and Toyota. I no longer care about depreciation because I plan on keeping my next car until it dies.
  • personatechpersonatech Member Posts: 105
    That's why I'm starting to think its best to wait. Let these car dealers face the effects of a recession and then they might be ready deal.

    Good point. Another is that by midyear we might actually begin to see the clean diesels (he said, hopefully.... :blush: )
  • sedandriversedandriver Member Posts: 1
    Joe,
    Loved the features and look of the new Accord and bought a new 2008 EX-L after a brief test drive. Unfortunately I didn't drive it long enough on the test drive to notice this problem.

    I agree with your comments - my back aches after any drive of more than 10 minutes. The bulge midway up the back of the driver seat becomes very uncomfortable over time. Increasing the lower lumbar support does nothing to relieve the problem. Nor does tilting the seat back. I've taken the car back to the dealer and there is nothing they can do. Had hoped the seat might break in a bit - but isn't getting any better after one month and now I have back aches after commuting to work.

    Would be interested in hearing if anyone else has experienced this problem and if they have any suggestions? I've previously owned other sedans - Audi A6, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6 - had never experienced any problems with them.

    I'm afraid I will need to sell this car very soon at a loss unless I can fix the seat.

    Kevin
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