Toyota Camry Hybrid

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  • dakid13dakid13 Member Posts: 1
    Now, I live in California and I want to buy the car out of state. If I bring it back to California and register it here, will it qualify for AT-PZEV? I understand if I have it shipped to me and register it here that it will qualify. It concerns me that if I do buy out of state and bring it back home that it won't entitle me to receive the 15/150,000 warranty. :confuse:
  • john1701ajohn1701a Member Posts: 1,897
    > I am not sure why the Toyota hybrids were unable to maintain the PZEV rating for all 50 states.

    That's simple.

    Low-Sulfur gas hasn't been available for an entire model-year yet.

    150,000 miles is the PZEV rating requirement, whether there is a warranty included or not. That extra 30,000 miles from SULEV isn't easy with dirty gas.

    So all you get is a PZEV capable listing. The emissions would not necessarily last that entire 150,000 mile duration depending on your location.

    Timing has always been an issue. The Classic Prius may have actually been PZEV too. But the category didn't exist back then, even though the design specifications had already been delivered in a real-world product.

    JOHN
  • autodrivenautodriven Member Posts: 16
    Just wanted to know what some of you thought about the OEM Bridgestone EL400 tires that come on the vehicle. I own a 2006 Acura TL and also had an '04 Acura TL. On both these vehicles I received a notification informing me that the Bridgestone tires were recalled.

    Since this has happened twice with Bridgestone tires, I'd prefer to replace them with Michelins, Yokohama, Toyo (these are made in Japan), Falkin or BF Goodrich tires. I see the Michelin Exalto A/S would be around $110 per tire and was ranked #1 in this touring type category.

    Am I just worrying about nothing with these current Bridgestone EL400s or will they follow the same course - problems. Thanx
  • john312john312 Member Posts: 24
    If people haven't seen this it has some interesting information.

    TCH Emergency Response Guide
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That's simple.

    Low-Sulfur gas hasn't been available for an entire model-year yet.


    Why is the Honda Civic Hybrid and several other cars able to get a "9" in the 45 states? Why is Toyota only able to squeak out an "8" even on their hybrids? They are way down the list for non CARB states on emissions.
  • stevevillatorostevevillatoro Member Posts: 30
    Thanks for this Emergengy Response Guide. You might want to post it on greenhybrid.com, also. I'd think everyone might find one or two points of interest in reading it.
  • camryhybrid2camryhybrid2 Member Posts: 13
    I saw the picture of a stone/bug deflector installed on a TCH by Droid13 at Greenhybrid.com. Can Dorid13 or anyone tell me where I can purchase this deflector? I have searched Google and other websites but I can't find this deflector for 2007 Camry. Thanks.
  • droid13droid13 Member Posts: 29
    It was a dealer added accessory and I believe it's a Toyota part.
  • camryhybrid2camryhybrid2 Member Posts: 13
    Thank you for your info. Which Toyota dealer did you purchase your TCH from? My Toyota dealer does not carry the deflector. May be I can order the deflector from your dealer. Thanks again.
  • willybillwillybill Member Posts: 83
    Has anyone seen the Toyota front protector that is the bra type.. I was told my dealer has them upon order for $87.
    Just wondered what they covered and how they looked.

    :confuse:
  • droid13droid13 Member Posts: 29
    I guess I should have mentioned it was a Canadian dealer. I guess these things are more popular in Canada because hood deflectors are clearly shown as an official Toyota dealer option on the Toyota Canada web site, with close ups, pricing, even on a nifty little flash based animated accessory configurator. If you really want one they should be available from any dealer here for msrp $103CAD (about $95US) but I remember a few years ago when I got my Sienna the hood deflectors sold here were different that the ones available in the US and people were looking for the "Canadian versions", but then they started being available in the US too. I suspect the Camry ones sold here will be available at US dealers in the near future too, probably cheaper... :cry:
  • esfstevoesfstevo Member Posts: 8
    I checked out the Canadian Toyota website and it seems that the Canadian TCH gets better average gas mileage 50mpg although it has a smaller gas tank 14.3 gal compared to US 17.1 gal. Also the canadian TCH has a cover that goes over the hole in the console with the power hookup. Americans, check it out www.Toyota.CA. There are also several add on's that I have not seen in US literature although the ashtray/lighter combo costs an insane $101 canadian dollars.
  • lvwlvw Member Posts: 14
    Nope, essentially the same car. The Canadian gallon is 20% larger, as compared to the American unit.
  • droid13droid13 Member Posts: 29
    The gas tank on the Canadian model is 65L or 17.1US gal. The 14.3g rating is Imperial gallons. The 50mpg rating is also based on Imperial gallons and uses Environment Canada test criteria, not EPA test criteria. The 50mpg rating is equivalent to 41.6mpg US. They still throw in the old Imperial measurements for those old timers that have not converted to metric.

    They gave me the ashtray for free, but the idea of smoking in a car is so nasty I don't want to even think about it. Anyone want to buy it? :)
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Well, I've had my TCH for almost a month and it's a very pleasant car. Nearly Lexus like in comfort and quietude.

    I tried to put a lamp in my trunk last weekend and it didn't fit (it was in a box). I also realized the trunklid arms are quite intrusive into the already small trunk. I wish Toyota would have spent a little money on non-intrusive trunklid arms.

    I also wish it had breakaway side mirrors. I'm sure the JDM models have them- I can't imagine it would cost much more to add them to our cars.

    Kinda nit-picky, but I don't have a lot to complain about the car. It's quite good. :D

    On a down note, somebody already dinged my rear bumper! :mad: I don't even have my plates yet! I think I need a bumper for my bumper! :D

    tom
  • willybillwillybill Member Posts: 83
    I have added a new discussion entitled 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid - Improtant Tax information in a new thread.
    Owners- Please refer to the new discussion thread.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0d9a94/0
    :)
  • primo2primo2 Member Posts: 31
    Hey Tom...i agree with all you said...i hope that Toyota visits forums like this...i am very happy with my TCH...i would like to have seen the cruise control been stationery...and not move with the steering wheel...sorry to hear about the bumper...dash board cover...if anyone has one and can comment on it pro/con, i'm all ears
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    i would like to have seen the cruise control been stationery...and not move with the steering wheel

    That's the Toyota way, don't ask me why but it is. On the plus side when you get into an unfamiliar Toyota you know exactly where to find it.
  • indy13indy13 Member Posts: 2
    Anyone have any information on the problem the smart key system may have on pace makers? Salesman had never heard of it . He had not read the owners manual
  • gstolgstol Member Posts: 2
    Has anyone driven the TCH in mountainous terraine? I'm seriously considering a TCH and live in the Sacramento area. My concerned is with climbing the Sierras to Reno (The climb reaches 7000 ft). I don't like to hold up traffic, not to mention my impatience with a slow climb.

    How does she do uphill?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Go back 6 messages. Post #2611. Also wvgasguy lives in WV.

    While none of this driving was across 7000 ft passes there have been no reports anywhere about bad performance in the mountains.
  • 54gradsteds54gradsteds Member Posts: 102
    I also should have mentioned for those who failed THIRD GRADE ENGLISH.... An apostrophe is also used to denote OWNERSHIP... Will someone please tell me what it is that the Sierra Mountains OWN ??? To make a word plural, in most cases, we simply add the letter "s" , and if the word already ends in "s", then we add, in most cases, "ES".

    I hate to sound like an old school-marm, but, being the former teacher that I am, I offer this simple test: Whenever you are in doubt about the correctness of adding an apostrophe to the word "IT", see if it would make any sense in your speech. For example, if you said, "The dog just wagged IT'S tail", you just REALLY said "The dog just wagged IT IS tail", and you know how incorrect that is, for you really wouldn't speak that way !!!
  • gstolgstol Member Posts: 2
    Perhap's you belong in another forum. This one relate's to hybrid's.
  • alp8alp8 Member Posts: 656
    and perhaps you need a lesson in geography or Spanish - there is no such thing as "the Sierras" - it is "the Sierra"

    adding an "s" to Sierra is wrong wrong wrong (but people do it all the time, so ....)

    (and I don't see any post with Sierra apostrophe S)
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Back to the cars please.

    English may be dead... the internet killed it ;)

    I sympathize with the sentiment and desire to see proper use of the language, but let's stick to the cars please.
  • alp8alp8 Member Posts: 656
    the car's?

    ;-)
  • alp8alp8 Member Posts: 656
    "stick to the cars [COMMA] please"

    :-P
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Some of the stuff you see is scary. I saw a consumer review of a vehicle where the owner had a suggestion for improving the vehicle...

    They thought there should be bigger DOWERS on the car to make it easier to get in and out! :surprise:
  • devsiennadevsienna Member Posts: 70
    Check out this web page for an explanation on how to correctly use it's or its.

    http://www.stormloader.com/garyes/its/#top
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I drove it up into the mountains here in WA state and it had no problems climbing some pretty steep climbs at 70mph. I expected the battery to quickly drain but it didn't even do that. I suppose if you burdened the car with a lot of weight and were really pushing it you could drain the battery, but otherwise I doubt you'll be holding people back.

    tom
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    I hate to sound like an old school-marm, but, being the former teacher that I am, I offer this simple test: Whenever you are in doubt about the correctness of adding an apostrophe to the word "IT", see if it would make any sense in your speech. For example, if you said, "The dog just wagged IT'S tail", you just REALLY said "The dog just wagged IT IS tail", and you know how incorrect that is, for you really wouldn't speak that way !!!

    And now a lesson on run-on sentences.... :P
  • johnmcneelyjohnmcneely Member Posts: 8
    I've put a deposit down on a blue TCH w\Option #2 (heated power outside mirrors, Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof, Carpeted Floor Mats). This isn't coming with the Nav package, but is coming with JBL Digital AM/FM/MP3 6-disc In-dash CD changer with BlueTooth and 8 speakers, Aux Audio Jack, Multi-Info Display w\energy flow/ECO drive. Here now are my questions:

    1) Given the above, is the display I am probably getting the shorter one or the one that looks like it is the same size as the display that the Nav system uses?

    2) If the larger display, is the phone screen likely to be a part of it? Do I understand correctly that this isn't really a phone of its own but is an onboard interface to a comptaible phone? Regarding the type of cellphone I'd need to get to achieve full functionality with the phone screen on the display. All I seem to see is the Motorola RAZR V3 which is not an inexpensive phone (and I've heard a delicate model...you drop it...it's done for). Don't I also need to purchase the BlueTooth headset for true handsfree operation?

    3) Do I understand that the TCH interior doesn't have the light-colored wood grain? At least with my package?

    Thanks to any and all who answer.

    John
  • njeraldnjerald Member Posts: 689
    1. Shorter display with JBL
    2. Phone display - signal strength is in the right hand corner. phone numbers show at the bottom of the screen.

    The bluetooth does the same thing as a blue tooth headset. You only need a headset if you want a cordless connection when you are out of the car.

    Some phones (and carriers) with bluetooth capability are better than others. My Motorola V551 (Cingular) works flawlessly except that I could not transfer my whole phonebook at once to the car. Some phones won't display the signal strength on the display. See the bluetooth forum for a good discussion of phones and carriers.

    3. wood grain only on the XLE
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I hate to sound like an old school-marm

    I know for myself I did not get a decent education in the CA public school system. Our high school English teacher was too busy flirting with the gym coach. They had to get their time together at school as he was married. I do have my wife to correct any letters I write. Her college major was English. She refuses to be a part of my Edmund's blogging. To err is human.
  • alp8alp8 Member Posts: 656
    I've always thought it was unfair to correct people's spelling, etc. on message boards

    this communication is half-way between speaking and writing, so we really should cut eachother some slack
  • keithlkeithl Member Posts: 106
    I have always changed my wn oil and usually switch to synthetic after first 2k miles. My TCH is on order, but the demo I looke dunfer the hood and I am used tot he 2.4L Toyota having its filter right on the front of the block. I could not find it, any idea where it is and is it easy to change DIY or am I going to have t the the front end up in the air.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    anniemfuse said "Turning the AC off and running just the fan for the last few minutes of a trip does help dry out moisture condensation in the air ducts and vents. Following this practice regularly will deter mold growth in the ventilation system. This practice is recommended by indoor air quality experts. "

    This is scientifically inaccurate. A air-conditioner works by removing moisture (de-humidifies) from the air. Therefore, there it makes absolutely no sense to turn the air conditioner off to remove the humidity.

    The actual practice and what experts actually recommend is to run an "air conditioner" periodicaly in the winter to remove moisture and prevent mold, both in cars and in house/building systems.

    as they used to say in the 70s, BE COOL

    MidCow
  • pgrokkospgrokkos Member Posts: 8
    I've got a deposit down at a Toyota Freehold NJ dealer for a silver fully loaded TCH. Dealer is charging full MSRP of $30,667 (which includes all the upgrades I believe plus wheel locks). I have not been able to get them to budge. The car will be here in under 10 days, and they asked for $100 deposit to hold it.

    I was expecting a longer wait, and a premium to MSRP and am pleasantly surprised but wanted to do a sanity check to see whether I need to shop around extensively. I'd prefer a different color but am told that their is a long wait for the dark metalic grey.

    Any ideas if MSRP for a fully loaded car is reasonable nowadays in my area? They are hosing me a bit on my trade in, only giving me 8k when Kelly Blue Book says $9.5k but I hope to split the difference there when the car comes in.
  • bmgoodmanbmgoodman Member Posts: 102
    I think there is a misconception about WHAT is needing to dry out before you arrive at you destination. It's the A/C's evaporator. See http://autorepair.about.com/cs/heatingac/a/aa071601a.htm for details, but if you don't follow the link, here's the "surprise" ending: "Another is to shut the air conditioning off about a mile or so before you get to where you're going and allow the evaporator to dry out."

    FWIW, I don't know which models specifically have this problem. I'm sure it is worse in some that in others. Let's hope Plasmacluster saves us! ;)
  • willybillwillybill Member Posts: 83
    You are right on with the pricing. My dealer was strictly an MSRP dealer and told me so from the get go. Mine Mag Grey TCH, leather, NAV, Moonroof was $30,589 so given the wheel locks probably right on.. All dealers hose you on the trade in, there is little you can do about that except sell it yourself. My trade was worth 19K, I got $16,500 so that bears out. I couldn't haggle anymore out of them when the car came in. It took eight weeks to deliver, I had to pay a $500 deposit. Interesting fact. The manufacture date was just about the same day as the order date so it turned out to take just about 8 weeks to build, ship and deliver.
    Enjoy yours when it gets here. I love mine and just passed 2,000 miles today.
    :D
  • willybillwillybill Member Posts: 83
    OK now I'm confused.. Isn't the point of the evaporator to remove humidity from the air?.. The evaporator has a drain.
    This drain most always leaves a puddle UNDER the car meaning that it DRAINS out. What is the problem?
    :confuse:
  • r_nashr_nash Member Posts: 33
    The problem is not all the water on the evaporator drains away. If the AC is running when the car is shut off, some water is left inside the evaporator. If you live in a hot area, the water creates a warm humid environment that mold loves to grow in. This often gives the AC a musty/moldy odor after a while.

    Turning off the AC the last mile or so will greatly reduce water retained in the evaporator when the car is shut off.
  • houtex1houtex1 Member Posts: 82
    My A/C sure seems to drain well. There is always a long puddle from the front of the car all the way to the back. It really sticks out compared to the rest of the cars in the parking lot (which have no puddles). It's almost to the point of me wondering if this is normal. I think I've read other people report the same thing though.
  • bmgoodmanbmgoodman Member Posts: 102
    Although the water drains out of the evaporator, I think in many, some droplets of water tend to remain inside. And you know the things that thrive in warm, dark, moist environments! Definitely things you don't want blowing around in an enclosed space!

    If you look at my earlier link, you can see that some car makers have tried to be creative in alleviating the problem.
  • willybillwillybill Member Posts: 83
    OK..now I understand.. Wonder how long it will be before someone suggests turning the heat on full blast just before you get home!..
    :P ;)
  • sallyspalsallyspal Member Posts: 31
    Got mine at Lawrence Toyota on Route One near Princeton last month. I thought they dealt fairly and honestly, but they did charge MSRP for the car (Silver with sunroof package - not my first choice of color but I've come to like it quite a bit). Why not charge full price - there were about 20 of us on the waiting list! I was asked for a $1,000 deposit, but it was completely refundable. I've had mine for about a month now, its a great car; your gonna love it.
  • consumer46consumer46 Member Posts: 17
    MSRP is what almost everyone is asking except for a few dealers who are asking MSRP plus an additional premium. I suspect the premium will be dropped soon, but MSRP will remain the norm.

    The more important question is, "What is the "out the door" price?" MSRP + tax + title + $100 = a fair deal. If the $100 turns out to be much higher, then the deal is less acceptable. In some states and some dealerships there is not much you can do about it either. Fitzmall in Maryland charges MSRP + tax title + $19 for out of state internet deals on a Camry Hybrid.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Member Posts: 508
    I bought at Fitzmall for $900 under MSRP. Barcelona Red with sunroof and mirrors (in between base and fully loaded).

    They offered $600 more than Carmax, $300 more than KBB on my trade. $800 more than 2 local Honda dealers.
  • keithlkeithl Member Posts: 106
    OK I ordered my TCH yesterday and it is not due for 10 more days, but the more I read about the TCH and the Synergy system I can understand the way some hybrid owners get so pumped about squeaking all they can from every gallon (litre) of gas. I have to say it seems liek a rather amazing piece of technology. I am very much looking forward to going from my 21MPG $46 tank of gas to hopefully over 30MPG!!
  • newt5newt5 Member Posts: 15
    I took mine up I-70 out of Denver over Floyd Hill (5 percent to 7 percent grade at approx 7000 feet) and through the Eisenhower Tunnel (11,000 feet) with no performance issues. I was able to maintain 70 MPH and pass slower vehicles without difficulty.

    It's not my WRX that I traded in, but I wouldn't trade back for it and I drive in the mountains frequently.
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