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Which domestic automaker outsells Toyota by 50% in the midsized segment?
Which former No 1 auto has slipped to 4th and almost lower?
Which rising star lost sales relatively on a month to month basis?
These all include fleet sales which are not broken out separately.
Without DC's results yet: Top 11 name plates
monthly sales: Jan-Feb-Mar-Apr : YTD
1. Camry........27 - 27 - 29 - 40 : 134,000
2. Corolla......25 - 25 - 32 - 36 : 118,400
3. Civic..........25 - 25 - 29 - 31 : 109,800
4. Accord.......22 - 25 - 30 - 32 : 108,500
5. Malibu/G6....34 - 24 - 26 - 24 : 107,600
6. Impala.........22 - 19 - 24 - 26 : 90,400
7. Altima.........17 - 20 - 24 - 20 : 80,900
8. Cobalt.........18 - 14 - 21 - 19 : 71,700
9. Taur/Sab........15 - 17 - 20 - 15 : 66,600
10. Fus/Mil/Zep....15 - 13 - 17 - 20 : 64,800
11. Focus..........13 - 14 - 16 - 18 : 60,200
12. Sonata........12 - 14 - 18 - 16 : 58,600
GM and Ford obviously have huge fleet sales which hurt profits generally. Hyundai also has significant sales to fleets estimated in the 30% range.
Can anything stop the Corolla and Civic from racing to the top position in tandem as fuel prices go out of sight?
Why is the FMZ triplet from Ford being kept to such low numbers? Is this the real 'heart' of Ford's retail sales in the midsized segment? 15-20,000 units a month?
Doesn't look like anything will. I can't beleive the numbers of Corollas Toyota sells. Isn't that car getting a little old by now.
Why is the FMZ triplet from Ford being kept to such low numbers? Is this the real 'heart' of Ford's retail sales in the midsized segment? 15-20,000 units a month?
Looks that way. Ford SUV/Truck sales are tanking too. Just to many good cars in the family sedan market which Ford let go for to long. Hard to win people back.
get a car, replace a car, add a car?
i have an suv that i drove about 23k/year. 2 years ago, i bought a focus and still have the suv. now i drive the suv 12k/year(trips and snowy commutes) and the focus 11k/yr(regular commutes and errands).
F250's, Sequoia's, TrailBlazers, Tacoma's, Ram's all of them are being dumped as the 'commuting' vehicle. The TradeIn values stink as well but many went through this in the Fall so they know how much the fuel has depreciated the value of the big rigs.
IMO it's bad timing for GM, Ford and Toyota to start a huge push on monster trucks and SUV's .... unless one or more of them has a rabbit or two up the sleeve.
Your crazy with that statement. :confuse: The G6 is a nice ride and isn't a disater like you claim. :sick:
Rocky
This is the Sexiest car in the world in my eyes. :shades:
Well maybe right next to a 1994' Ferrari 512 TR
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=114909#11
Rocky
So do I. Infact truthfully I should of said second sexiest car in the world next to the Buick Velite Roadster.
Rocky
Based on the supposed concept car that was to resemble the G6 (S/C, 300hp, 6 spd, AWD, sharp body lines) I was expecting a strong entry. We got a reincarnated Cavalier.
You like it Rocky? Fine. I found it to be econobox like. But I guess Edmunds is only for posting positive things about GM cars. :mad:
Rocky
Back to the GM lovefest kids...
Rocky
Rocky
Something tells me you are going by what you read elsewhere without even analysing the actual car...
Rocky
Rocky
Since I am not swooning over the latest GM wonderbomb, I'll never be accepted as anything but biased huh?
Oh well :shades:
Since I am not swooning over the latest GM wonderbomb, I'll never be accepted as anything but biased huh?
ummmm... here's just a shot in the dark ... maybe your NAME indicates bias?? Ya think?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Now there is too much plastic on the interior for my tastes, but at least it lines up better and does seem to be a step up from the Grand Am it replaced.
I think GM does need to get on the ball and start getting out more 5- and 6-speed automatics. Even for those of you who swear by the 4-speed and that it's fine, at least putting in an extra gear or two would be one less thing to find fault with.
Don't let this get spread out too far because it'll ruin my reputation, but I'm actually starting to think of the viability of something like a Dodge Caliber, Honda Civic or a Yaris!
My original dream had been either a V-6 Altima or something with a Hemi, but the more I thought about it, with gas prices and insurance and such, I downgraded that to a 4-cyl Altima or a V-6 Charger.
But now, even with my 3 1/2 mile commute to work, I'm actually thinking more towards fuel-sipper. I doubt if I'd ever have the guts to buy something as tiny as a Yaris, but I guess stranger things have happened. :P
Or maybe I'll just say damn the fuel economy, focus more on purchase price, and pick up this little gem... :shades:
But last I checked, one didn't have to be a GM fan to post on Edmunds unless they changed the rules. :confuse:
Wonder what kind of "Objective" review I would expect for a car such as a Toyota RAV4? :P
at least putting in an extra gear or two would be one less thing to find fault with.
Nope if GM started putting in a 6 speed this afternoon people like anythingbutgm will complain that its not a 7 speed like some makers are coming out with.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I don't think GM deserves the number 1 spot that they have attained for so many years. Their efforts don't show it that's for sure. They are a big, out of control mess. Their management thinks its still 1965 and they have burned a lot of people I know with their marvelous product. For some reason, the decreasing market share and the turmoil that they are seeing right now doesn't seem like some wacky freak of nature. Obviously, I am not alone in my impressions? :confuse:
And no, I won't use their Consumer Reports ratings as a defense. It is all about personal experience here. I don't rely on forums to make my arguments. No car builder is perfect, but I have owned more cars than the years I have been alive... from all kinds of makes and models. That is as objective as your going to get.
Just curious.
If the G6 and Solara Coupes are any measuring stick, expect the G6 to be at least slightly biased toward the driving experience.
The Solara is just a big ole marshmallow.
Secondly the one thing the G6 has is that its a hard top convertible. Nuff said.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yup, automakers are foolish for making advances in tranny technology for the sake of fuel efficiency and performance.
Why is the 6 speed tranny making its way into new GM products like the Aura and GMT900's? If the 4 speed is so great, and more cogs are pointless, why join the foray? Heck, why bother with airbags, TCS, ABS, or MCD?
It wouldn't link up pal....
Rocky
about the Accord and C&D being favorable I agree the styling is off. No problem there but you guys are owning Buick and Caddy;s. I mean those are totally different cars than the Accord. I'm not saying Buick and Caddy suck but I;m just saying Honda is a "sport company" just like Pontiac or Mazda is. Honda is not a traditional mid luxury or tradional luxury like Buick or Caddy is they are a sport brand.
Because half the time its shoving in another gear between 1st and 4th that makes it a 5 speed. Top gearing still remains practically the same and all you do is go through one more shift to get to where you were with the 4 speed. Why do that?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Or hard top convertibles?
Yup, automakers are foolish for making advances in tranny technology for the sake of fuel efficiency and performance.
Transmissions alone do not make the fuel efficiency happen. There is a lot of science in matching the right gear ratio with the engine's torque and hp curve.
GM's engines traditionally have a wider torque curve than the competition. That is why the relatively heavy Impala with a 3.8 and 4 speed auto gets similar mileage to the smaller Camry.
As GM is changing its engines to meet market demand, so to is it changing its auto trans.
I wonder if cars rushing out with 7 speed autos will see real mpg benefits without significant changes to the engines.
Since my wife took delivery of her 06 Ford 500 company car with a CVT, I've gained great appreciation for multiple ratios. The CVT allows for the engine to rev to it's torque peak at virtually any speed, which makes it responsive while at speed (the car is still slow from a start). It will run about 1700rpm whether cruising at 50 or 80mph.
My suburban OTOH, has 4 speeds, there are so many instances where an extra gear ratio between 2nd and 3rd would be helpful. It would be nice to just kick down a gear to gain 1000rpm instead a jump of 2K+ rpm. When I'm towing it's down right painful, with the large space between 2nd & 3rd gear because the engine doesn't have enough torque at 2500rpm, so I have to run 4000+rpm to go up a hill, when an extra gear would allow me to run, say 3000rpm and I'd have enough power to pull up a grade w/o always reving the engine to 4-5k rpm all the time.
Another example, that I posted earlier on one of the threads regarding a 3 way comparison test between a v6 300, 3.8 Lucerne and a 3.0 AWD CVT Merc Montego. The Merc weighed almost 200lbs more than the Lucerne and the Lucerned had more torque at a lower rpm, yet was slower to 60, 40-60, and qtr mile. I'm certain gearing is the issue and is why I don't like driving many of GMs vehicles. IMO, they tend to be over geared and require to much throttle input to downshift.
The Acura TL I test drove yesterday was great. The trans was always eager and quick to down shift and which made it very entertaining to drive. I'd still prefer a manual, but at least I could live with an auto like that.
Bill Gates, "huff and puff" :surprise:
Rocky
Well, CVT is a different animal from the seven speed auto. I agree that it has a lot of promise.
There are reliability issues even with the best of them. GM had a bad run of luck with its original CVT supplier. I do hope GM is working on CVT options with better suppliers.
It would be nice to just kick down a gear to gain 1000rpm instead a jump of 2K+ rpm. When I'm towing it's down right painful, with the large space between 2nd & 3rd gear because the engine doesn't have enough torque at 2500rpm, so I have to run 4000+rpm to go up a hill, when an extra gear would allow me to run, say 3000rpm and I'd have enough power to pull up a grade w/o always reving the engine to 4-5k rpm all the time.
I have never towed anything. Nor have I ever driven a truck without a manual. I will defer to your experience.
Now that's still a stretch. Even as GM now calls them: "cam in block" engines, still plenty to go wrong that a do-it-himself person will struggle with.
I've owned many OHC and OHV engines, I've never had any issues with them regarding internals. It's always been the electronics with the fuel or ignition systems that have failed and these are hard to diagnose with just a socket set and screw driver.
When the fuel pump died on my Suburban (nearly $450 just for the damn pump), not like I was going to drop a 31 gallon fuel tank in my driveway.
Unfortunately, Ford, from what I've been reading will discontinue use of the CVT in the 500 next year. I haven't read to many issues with them. Not that the 500 message boards are popular, but most seem to be having good service with the CVT. My wife only has about 6000 miles on her 500 so far, so we'll see how it lasts.
Nissan seems to be making the biggest bet on CVTs. I believe in the redesigned Sentra and Altima (don't know about the Maxima), a CVT will be the only auto trans available.
BTW, for what its worth, the G6 ran Edmunds slalom at 61.5mph while a Solara coupe ran it at 60.9mph. Pretty close. I would expect the added weight of a HT over the ST may even things out in the handling dept.
You obviously don't know how smart "dad" is. Dad could take his engine apart and put it back togeather again. Dad is mechanically inclined just like my uncle Mickey who can literally fix anything that "dad" can't LOL
I already have "dad" plenty of work when he retires. My vehicles this winter will get fixed and be like brand new. My pops get's called by machine repairmen sometimes at work for help on some machinery that they get stumped on which is rare of course.
Rocky
I have no reason to doubt your dad's intelligence and mechanical ability. Still, engine management issues are dificult to diagnose without the proper equipement (sure you could take a multitester to each sensor, but my god that would daunting), makes it tough for the avg. joe to fix himself. Doesn't matter where the cam is. How about GMs VVT pushrod engines? Just one more thing to trouble shoot when the engine just isn't running exactly right.
But I'm not going to avoid things just because they are hard to work on. That's what I pay the shop to do.
Rocky