Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Not to worry. We ruled out the GC weeks ago.

    Richard
  • 604doc604doc Member Posts: 182
    One issue to consider is if you bring in your own part, and it ends up being bad out of the box, you'd have to pay the labor twice.

    If the repair shop supplies the part and labor, it's their problem if the part is bad out of the box.

    Probably not an issue with brake parts, but it could be a factor with electrical parts, or labor intensive jobs like heater cores or something.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,724
    edited September 2010
    >plus the problems with the Northstar motors.

    Most of the SRXs I've seen are the V6.

    As for the North, the cause of the great unpleasantness of the 1870s as some southerners like to refer to it, the damage from salt depends on how the car was used and housed and cared for. Driving a car and then putting it in a nice warm damp garage with snow and salt hanging on is a rust accelerator. Leaving the same car in the environment at the ambient temperature slows any attack. Washing off the underside of the car at the do-it-yourself carwash when the temps hit the upper 30s or 40s is a great help. Doing the underside rinse with a garden hose in March or April also gets rid of the salt and is recommended by the owners glovebox manual in our cars.

    Hence, we have one car that stayed outside this winter and the good Buick seldom got driven in the slushy stuff when it was on the roads; it stays in the garage.

    Worst car for rust I even had was a 61 Chev that I bought when someone totalled my car and I was waiting for the replacement. The Chev, which was 15-16 years old and an extra car, was kept in a barn with lots of milk cows. The warm damp, even humid, barn kept the metal wet and any salt was accelerated in activity.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    There are plenty of examples of misconduct in every aspect of business--workers and mgmt. Using a wide paint brush to tarnish all for the misconduct of a few is shortsighted and self-serving when people bend events to validate their own biases.This sort of blanket bashing belongs elsewhere. There are plenty of sites to vent against unions [or mgmt] -- why not take that stuff where you can connect with others who share your views. It doesn't belong here.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    GM several cars back recommended against turning rotors.

    I don’t know what years you’re referring to but GM didn’t have to “recommend against turning rotors” because you COULDN’T do it.

    When my ’95 Bonneville beast had about 53K miles on it the shop where I took it for PA state inspection called and said I needed new rotors because they were under the minimum thickness. I said, “HUH, I’ve never had those rotors turned so they couldn’t have been turned under the minimum, so what gives”? He said, “they didn’t have to be turned they just wear out at that mileage”. I never heard that before. Since I do my own brake work, when I went to the auto parts to buy new rotors (and pads since I was going to be in there), I ask the guy at the counter how many miles I could expect to get out of the replacements he said, “you’ll be back here after 50K miles, these things wear out on their own at that point”. :sick:

    When I had pulsating brakes on my ’05 Hyundai XG 350 at about 25K miles I took it to the dealer and they turned the front rotors under warranty. When I spoke to the mechanic before I left I related the tale about my Bonneville and he said, “yeah I know, I worked at our Pontiac shop before I came here and I saw a lot of that. The rotors on this car can be turned at least one more time”. That’s another reason that turned me off about GM. You don’t have to design a car that has marginally sized rotors put on right from the get go.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    The hosts here have given us a lot of leeway to discuss many different topics of interest. For the most part, our posters have been very civil and respectful of each other and very seldom does someone go off the deep end.

    IMO, that post about Chrysler was topical and interesting. We can all take from the info what we want to and I see nothing wrong with posting it here. It also made the national news so most saw it anyway.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Unless you have pulsation in your pedal when stopping turning rotors isn't necessary. It's a high labor item for doing very little so a lot of shops want to turn every rotor.

    Replacing calipers is usually totally unnecessary. Just make sure all of the slides are clean and lubed up.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    How about a few words from a host re this recurring issue by a few posters.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited September 2010
    Shops make money in two ways.

    The make money by charging labor and by marking up the parts. They buy parts for wholesale and sell them for retail.

    You are NOT doing the shop a "favor" or saving them trouble. Making a phone call to the parts store isn't much trouble.

    Shops don't like it when a customer does this and in response, they usually mark up the labor to compensate. Also, if the part you brought in is defective, you will be on your own.

    Yes, very poor taste to do this.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    When a job is done, you usually get a warranty for parts and labor. You can't expect a shop to warranty a part they didn't buy. If the part fails you pay to have it removed -- haul it back to the store -- exchange it and have it reinstalled. Doesn't make much sense unless the shop asks you to get the part. When I had the shocks changed on my jeep with bilsteins -- didn't expect to have the part/labor warranteed by the installer. The shocks are warrantied for life by bilstein and there isn't much risk of getting a bad one. Possible but unlikely. The shop was happy to change them out and do an alignment -- think it ran about $225. I get oil changes/belts/hoses/brakes/radiator flushes/transmission & differential fluid service from them so that helps. I would never bring an electrical part/plugs/water pump etc -- bad form and no warranty.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    If you are talking about dealer shops, I would think they would throw you out the door and then laugh their heads off !! Either that or, as you said, just charge you for the parts anyway.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Same thing with an Independent shop.

    Just poor taste all around.
  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    edited September 2010
    "There are plenty of examples of misconduct in every aspect of business--workers and mgmt. Using a wide paint brush to tarnish all for the misconduct of a few is shortsighted and self-serving when people bend events to validate their own biases.This sort of blanket bashing belongs elsewhere."

    Jay--

    Funny, I thought I was bringing up a specific incident. GG pointed out that it was a recurring problem--not exactly a slam of an industry or of union workers. I thought this particular story would be of particular interest to Richard since he was considering the Jeep GC. Some of my, arguably less than humorous, asides may have been misinterpreted since the emotorcons don't work.

    Several weeks ago, quite a few forum members chimed in on the sad state of education--not exactly a car sales topic. As someone who works in the education biz I read numerous postings that painted my profession with a broad brush. I chose to ignore those comments and did not contribute to that thread.

    It would be hypocritical for me to bash the automotive unions since my cousin's two sons and husband have all worked, or continue to work, on the assembly line for Ford.

    So is it okay to point out the misconduct is some professions, but not others? Would this forum even exist if it weren't for the misconduct of some customers and salespeople?

    Gogiboy
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Your post surprised me. It didn't sound like our nice friend from Canada. I didn't take his post as a slap against unions or management. I just thought that he was expressing employee problems that we see in all aspects of the market place these days. I can understand his frustration with Chrysler since our tax dollars helped to bail them out of trouble. I think that his desire for quality in our cars is a concern that we all have now. I don't always agree with some posters opinions, but I defend their right to express their views. I'm sure that you feel the same way. (Smile Emotorcon goes here.)

    Richard
  • needadvise4meneedadvise4me Member Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if a dealership will take back a "lemon" used car they sold in order for the owner to purchase another car through them? I purchased an 2004 suv in April 2010 from a dealership and within the first week, it was in their shop. Its been in their shop for the same problems 4 times since then and is going back on Monday. I loved this car at first, but I truly hate it now. I know used car means no warranty, blah blah, and I did expect to have some issues, but this car seems to be a total lemon. What would they do to make a customer happy? I am going to speak to the used car manager when I bring it in for service - what should I say? I don't want to take a huge loss by trading it in, but would they in essence take it back and I can get credit for what I paid, minus mileage, etc, to put toward the purchase of another car with them? Its been four months, so I am hopeful they will take it back and return my money, so to speak, to buy and try again with them.
  • canadiantoyotacanadiantoyota Member Posts: 148
    The last time I had my car at a Goodyear store, they did the same thing. they came to me with a laundry list of things wrong with the brakes.. pads, rotors, calipers, etc. total bill was going to be nearly $1200. I have never trusted Goodyear, I was only there for a tire warrant issue and I had caught them trying to run up the bill before, so I took it to the GM dealer. Total bill at GM was $351.00 Some of the work that Goodyear wanted to do did not have to be done, they were padding the invoice. Goodyear actually called me a few days later to see when I was going to bring the car in for the work. I informed them that the work had been completed by the GM dealer for 1/3 of the price. The Goodyear store went out of business 6 months later.

    Your local Goodyear store may be offering a decent price, but it is always better to be well informed and have at least one other price. When two stores have such a large price discrepancy, there is usually a very good reason.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "...the unpleasantness of the 1870's as some Southerners like to refer to it."

    Perhaps you meant the 1860's. If so, my grandparent's generation referred to it, not as the Civil War but, as the War of Northern Aggression. When my grandfather returned from this war, he referred to the late 1860's as "Carpetbaggers Revenge". He was 30 years older than my grandmother and had died before I was born. I have always found it hard to comprehend that my grandfather fought in the Civil War. Today, my generation refers to the war as the "Stupid Southern Mistake". We still haven't completely recovered, but we are making progress. (Joke Emotorcon goes here.)

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I'm just a consumer who posts here regularly, Still, here is my advice for what it's worth---less than two cents. First, you are at least willing to try another car from the same dealership. That should keep them from getting on the defensive with you---to a point. Make a list of all the problems that you have encountered with the SUV, and which ones were successfully corrected or not corrected by the dealership. Make an appointment to sit down with the OWNER of the dealership. Before you go, research the Lemon Laws for your state. You need to have an idea of what your chances may be at a car replacement. Also, check your local and state Better Business Bureau to see if there have been other complaints filed against this dealership. In addition to the BBB, check with your state insurance commission and any consumer reporting groups in your state. Is this a manufacturer's certified dealership or just a used car lot in your city? If the dealership is not responsive to your request, expect this lemon process to take several months to resolve itself. You will have to be diligent and assertive in your efforts. Best of luck to you, and keep us posted on the process.

    Richard
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Many indy shops don't really mind. As I said saves them some hassle and a little time. And remember saving time can get cash in their hand a little faster.

    But tell me this, do you really think the independent guy I go to to have all my work done is really going to get made at me and maybe alienate me and lose me as a customer because he won't make a few bucks off a part I brought in?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Back in the mid 80's I took my car to Goodyear to get the brakes replaced. They came back with a long list of things to be done that would have cost me around a grand. I took it to the independent guy a friend knew and he told me that only my pads needed replacing and the charge was less than $100.

    Will never go back to a Goodyear place.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    edited September 2010
    I have no problem with anyone pointing out particular problems that seem to be of interest. I must have misread your comment. It appeared you were warning Richard to not buy a new GC because a group of union workers were caught drinking and doping on the job. There are lots of valid reasons for passing on the new GC -- 1st model year being the best. If that was not your intent then no problem.
    The world is split into many factions -- economically and politically. Some folks are entrenched in an I'm always right and those who disagree are always wrong attitude They view the screw-ups of individals who belong to outside groups to reinforce the stereotype that everyone who affiliates with that philosophy should be condemned as idiots. We all suffer because of that because good people are found everywhere. Even among groups you disagree with.[surprise !] We all want a decent way of life and should be working together not against each other. Probably will never happen. Some folks only feel good about themselves when tearing others apart. That will never disappear especially from extremists at both ends of the spectrum.Human nature.
    No need for anyone to feel offended by my rant -- just howling at the moon.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    I believe it was BMW that designed the brake system so that the pads and rotors would wear out, and be replaced, together. Seems like overkill, but the Germans have never been know for taking the cheap route on design!

    the only time recently I shopped around to have my own parts installed was when I did the struts on my TL. I was leaning toward KYBs, and most local places did not normally carry them. I imagine they would not have a big problem getting them however.

    But, I could get them from tirerack for a whole lot less, and none of the local tire places I called had any problem quoting a labor rate to install them for me.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    How about a few words from a host re this recurring issue by a few posters.

    We do understand that not every posting here will be a frontlines story. That's the nature of the business and the times. And we do prefer that the discussion not stray too far and too long from the designated topic.

    As it happens, I did see the clips from the JGC story and all that I can say is that it is stunning. It would be hard not to say something about it after having seen it. Frankly, I don't care what those folks do on their lunch breaks though one could argue that it might have some impact on the safety and quality of the products being produced by that particular factory. One thing that I did notice is that none of the guys was driving a GM vehicle - they were driving Fords!

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    I did see that on the news, but did not here the details. Is it even clear what these guys do?

    For all we know, they are in the stock room or sweeping up. HOpefully not in the clean room putting together engines!

    and thankfully, there were no robots out in the lot sucking down 40's. And we all know, it is the robots that really build the cars these days!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    given all you trepidation about the SRX, maybe it is time to venture back into the Toyota cesspool!

    How about a Volvo? I fell in love with an XC70 last week, in a nice urgandy color. Super comfy too. And you can't get much boxier than that.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,892
    edited September 2010
    In the video I saw, there was a Mustang and an ancient Buick, but everything else was a Chrysler product.
    Personally, I am disappointed, but not shocked.
    There is a trial going on in CT that makes that stuff pale by comparison.
    Who wins the next round of the 'Cop car shootout' will be pretty interesting
    Tens of thousands of sales are pretty attractive in this economic times.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,892
    not much to be found but a 2009
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I'm not an accountant so I'll never question you and I respect your knowledge.

    Please respect me as a person who as a been in and around shops all of his life.

    I guess I'll just be blunt this time.

    One more time...you are NOT saving them any hassle or time. You are trying to cheap out by bringing in your own parts that you figured you could buy for less than they would have charged you. They are well aware of this and they resent it.

    It is no different than bringing your own bacon and eggs into a restaurant and asking them to cook your breakfast.

    I suppose an exception may be a shop that does restorations and you bring in a master cylinder for your 1941 Buick that they couldn't find.

    The shops DO mind and they are probably just charging you additional labor to make up for the money they didn't make on the parts!

    Sorry, it's low class and you really shouldn't do this.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I did consider the XC70 at one point. It's a nice wagon. We don't have a Volvo dealer in the area; nearest is more than an hour away. Also, Edmunds didn't give a glowing review---suggested other crossover options such as the Flex, Outback, etc. Still, the Swedish design and interior quality looks good to me. Bianca certainly seems to like hers with 71 cu. ft. of cargo space for her dogs.

    Richard
  • dougb10dougb10 Member Posts: 185
    Richard....you just mentioned the Outback. We have a new 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6 Limited and absolutely love it. It is our third Subie but this one is totally different and is a bargain as far as I am concerned...we also checked out the Acura MDX and Lexus RX 350 before getting the Subaru.
    Worth a look?

    Doug
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    I know that you have been around shops and I do respect that. However you have to admit that there is a difference between a dealerships service department or Sears or Goodyear shops that have 20-30 bays that are owned by a corporation and wouldn't know the vast majority of regular customers without entering their information into a computer and the local shop with 2-3 bays owned by the guy working on your car that will say hi to you if he saw you walking down a street and knows what he did on your cars for the last few years by memory.

    Yeah I know if I take my car to the dealership or any large national chain shop with a part and ask them to put it on they will most likely throw me out. But if I go to my regular mechanic with that same part and ask if he could put it in he will say "No problem" and not think anything more or less of it.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Richard, were you the one that was looking for a Grand Marquis awhile back? I found a used for for sale, a nice two tone one (black and white) that looks in good condition.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    You have a good memory. I'm no longer interested. If I can get through this new car buying experience, it will be a miracle. Thanks for the thought.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Doug, we have some friends who just purchased the 2011 Outback. Like you, they just love it. It's a great car for the money. I'm afraid that my wife is stuck on the SRX Cadillac. Thanks for the thought, and congratulations on your new purchase.

    Richard
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I guess I can't convince you so I'll quit trying.

    I don't care how big or how small the shop is. ALL shops hate it when a customer tries to deprive them of their profit on parts. They may not tell you this but they simply don't like it for the reasons I mentioned.

    In fact, some shops just won't allow this and I really don't blame them.

    I suppose if business is slow and the shop sees a way to make some labor dollars they will take on a job without complaining.

    I have been in, literally thousands of small shops and you can believe me when I tell you that the shops really don't like this at all.

    You can justify it in your own mind by thinking you are doing them a favor but you are doing the opposite thing.

    I'm done trying to convince you. You know more than I do on this subject.
  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    edited September 2010
    Isell -

    I value your experience here, based on that I do have a question for you.

    Wife would really like chrome versions of her stock wheels. Here is Seattle price is $2,xxx to purchase a set, however there is a company out of LA that will do it as part of an exchange for $800. This was recommended by the sales guy in fact.

    The question for you is will anybody be happy to move my tires from the old wheels to the new wheels? OR am I going to piss 'em all off by asking. Unfortunately I can't swap the tire myself...
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    edited September 2010
    Richard, you might want to check out a service profiled on edmunds. It's a buying service that takes all the hassle out for a fee. They claim they can save you the fee or more. The info is interesting but check it out --- to other posters wanting to jump in -- I'm not endorsing the idea but people pay for services all the time that they would rather not bother with. Just an option -- and this one seems credible. Check "confessions of a professional negotiator" Gotta surf a bit to find it.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited September 2010
    Well, a lot of shops don't sell wheels but they are equipped with a tire machine so they can swap out the wheels and they probably won't mind making the labor in this case. Seems like a lot of worry and expense but who am I to say?

    I will say that when you go to sell or trade that car, those chrome wheels won't add one cent to the car's value and may even turn off some people.

    I would call around and avoid the big places like Les Schwab who would probably decine the work. Just make sure they have the right equipment so they won't damage the new wheels.

    If you end up at a loss, email me. I know a shop here in Issaquah that would be happy to do the work.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited September 2010
    When I was a kid in school, I worked part time at a gas station in town. It had three bays and two mechanics and we stayed busy all of the time.

    One of our customers was a local eye doctor who was (being nice here) about as "frugal" as they came. He drove a 10 year old Cadillac that he despised putting a nickle into. He would even mix regular gas with premium. It would "ping" on this mixture but he didn't seem to mind.

    When he bought tires, he bought recaps. If a radiator hose blew, he would ask us if we could somehow patch it. When he needed a new heater core, he had us bypass the heater. Hey, this was So. Calif so not a huge deal.

    One day I watched the Cadillac pull in with steam coming from the hood.

    He paced nervously wearing his white coat and wringing his hands hoping it was something minor.

    He was in a hurry so someone picked him up and took him to his office.

    Once the car cooled down, we saw the water pump had gone bad so we called him and let him know that.

    A half hour later, he showed up with a cheap rebuilt water pump from the local discount parts house.

    Now, you don't put a rebuilt water pump on a Cadillac be we did it.

    Of course, we reused all of this hoses and clamps and put 100% water back into the system.

    One week later, the bearing failed in the water pump. He whined and fussed and did his best to get us to redo the job for free.

    In the end, he had us replace the pump with a proper new one. Of course, he paid the labor twice. I know he took the failed pump back and tried to get the parts store to reimburse the labor to him. I doubt if he was successful.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    people and money are interesting topics. There are thousands of little old men and ladies who live like paupers with 6-8 figures in the bank. The kids will get it and blow it on new Honda's -- especially in the Seattle area. Of course a few will visit the MB and BMW stores for a ride that suits their new [but short lived] economic status. :D
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Awwwww, but as Elwood said "It has a cop motor and a cop suspension".

    Plus it has that niffty bumper thing that allows you to bump other motorists and send them spinning.

    Not only that they still have "911" on the back so people will think its a Porsche.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    Thanks I sell -

    and truthfully this is pretty low on the list, though the wife usually keeps cars for 10 or so years, so at least we would have em for a good long while.

    Thanks for the offer, will keep it in mind if we decide to give it a shot
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    edited September 2010
    have to admit that there is a difference between a dealerships service department or Sears

    Since your brought up the name, I have to give props to Sears for a refreshing example of honest advertising. They have an oil change special in Sundays paper listed at $25. At the bottom it is written "No shop or disposal fees".
    Great! This is much different than the usual small print you see today that say shop fees, disposal fee, handling fees etc... Extra. Or, $4 or 7% handling fee may apply.

    I had the coolant flushed on my MPV last week $99. It was suppose to be a special price. Well, after the $14 shop fee and $4 b.s fee, I probably ended up paying retail... boo! I hate paying retail. :cry: (crybaby face)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    I personally love the new outback, with the 6 cyl. The 4/CVT combo though might be too buzzy for her.

    probably close to the size of the SRX, and loaded with goodies too. and brand new for the price of a used Caddy.

    I figure you have a shot. your friends love theirs, and you have a bad Caddy history. Plus, she has no LT attachment to it, having just seen it on the lot, without knowing what it was.

    So, take her to lunch tomorrow, and make sure you drive past the Subaru dealer. Then just say you want to swing in, just to look, since some of your on-line buddies suggested it.

    Never know. She might see one, and get hooked. And if you are clever, you will tell the dealer to have one in the best color sitting right out front to try out!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    back to this, but swapping tires/wheels is not the same thing as bringing in your own parts. Doing wheels is a normal part of what a tire store does (either tire rack deals, or winter on/offs). All normal labor, so I don't see a problem there.

    There is actually another issue beyond lost mark up. If the shop just takes your part, they don't know for sure it is the right one. So, if it isn't, they may cause another problem (or end up 1/2 way through a job, then find out). And of course, it then becomes "their" problem to sort it out!

    And as Isell mentioned, if the part is bad, oops (and it happens). your part, double labor. Their part, their problem.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    It was those Elwood jokes from friends like you that caused me to give up my dream car forever.

    Richard
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Don't worry, it's no longer where I saw it.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    You should be a car salesman. You come up with neat ways to attract customers. I rather liked the Outback after doing the research and looking at the 83 pictures. It's a nice car. If I took my wife to lunch in order to see the Outback, the restaurant would have to be 50 miles from here. It might seem a little suspicious. Besides, you forgot one thing about women. My wife would never buy the same car that a friend of hers just purchased two weeks ago. It would be like buying the same dress---a definite no,no. You and I would consider it a compliment if we did that, but women? I'll never be able to figure them out.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I can only guess why you were at the same place as that two tone job. (Wink goes here.)

    Richard
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,713
    speaking of the blues brothers.

    was reading the local autotrader yesterday (the supermarket freebie). A private seller had a 2007 (I think) charger "cop car" in black with white doors.

    but, not a fleet car. supposedly the demo/concept/promo car for selling the charger police package.

    Unique if nothing else.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

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