Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • micosilvermicosilver Member Posts: 212
    One day I get an Internet inquiry for VW Golf. Jason Wesson, Email address, home address, no phone number, no specifics on the car.

    I send him an email with a few questions in regards to what he is looking for, no responce.
    Next day I send him an email from my Gmail account, because sometimes our work email doesn't go through. He responds:

    Price me out on a 2010 VW Golf 4 dr dsg with a moonroof. Already test drove, just need a price...

    I write him back:

    Jason,

    Are you looking for a TDI or gas? I am asking because gas doesn't have DSG, just a regular automatic transmission...

    Anhour later I get this email:

    Dude, how long have you been working there? Gas automatics all have DSG! For the 3rd time I want Gas & DSG with a roof in gray... HOW MUCH??? Last chance or I go to Serramonte.

    Now, since this goes to my Gmail - it picks up the name associated with the email address - Jason Pargeon, who is an Internet Manager at Serramonte VW, a dealer 10 miles away. It is normal for dealers to mystery-shop each other every now and then, but this rubs me the wrong way for two reasons: first, if you are going to shop me - at least don't use your real email, and second - if you don't know what you are talking about - you look like an idiot.

    So now, since I know who I am dealing with - I find his cell, and call him. Here is the conversation:

    "Jason, does gas Golf comes with DSG?"

    Who is this?"

    "I just have a question - does new Golf gas come with DSG?"

    "Yes, it does, but who is this?"

    "Jason, this is Mico from Royal Motor Sales. You just shopped me, and I think you should learn some product knowledge before you get into sales"

    "F**k you"

    Hangs up.

    I call his Sales Manager, tell him the story, and he tells me he will take care of it.

    Next day Jason sends me an email apologizing for cussing me out.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Man! Going through a shop vac to find a joint is what I call desperate.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "I hesitate to send you down the path of Zaino..."

    Don't be too concerned. Just reading about all of those products wore me out.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Not to worry. I'm not back to my old habits. I just need to adjust to a V8.

    Richard
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    edited October 2010
    the roundest number i can think of is ... um. zero?
    from now on, i will think of you as an evil twin. (evil winky emotorcon)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    Richard, I think this topic has been brought up before.
    When I buy a new car one of my first accessories is a add EZ PASS.
    Since you will be headed up the coast, this will improve your driving experience beyond measure. I'm sure the NY/NJ crew can chime in to evangelize it's benefits.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    The WORST thing a person can use on ANYTHING is Armor-All!

    Yeah I know how did you find out?

    Here’s my story and I think I told this before.

    I put it on the light gray vinyl dash top of my ’80 Park Ave. during the mid ‘80’s. Around the late ‘80’s I noticed that there was a small crack forming almost in the center of the dash top (from the windshield to the inside edge) and there were purple spots starting to appear. Nothing I did could stop the purple from growing.

    Fast forward to ’92 when I moved to South Carolina. That sun down there opened up that crack about a 1/4 inch and the purple was getting darker. In about ’93 I went to a local trim shop to have a dash cover installed. The owner said they didn’t make a cover for that car and he didn’t know how to deal with the “purple” other than to paint it but neither of us figured that would last. Someone I worked with gave me the name of a trim shop in Augusta GA (about 15 miles away) that he dealt with saying, “that shop will get you what you need they’re good”. I go to that shop and the owner says, “let me see what you have, I have an idea what happened”. We walk out to the car and when he’s about 5 feet from the front bumper he says, “just what I thought, you used Armor-All”. I asked how he could tell and he said, “IT’S PURPLE”. That junk has ruined more interiors than anything I can think of. I sort of figured this was what happened but wanted an expert to confirm it. The sad part was that he couldn’t get a top for it either. I had to live with that dash until I sold the car in ’97 after we moved back to the Burgh.

    Needless to say I won’t go near anything that carries the name Armor-All. I’ve been told that they have some good products today but I’m not falling for that line. :mad: :mad:

    ‘Richard’...don’t you dare put that crap on your Caddy.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    EZ PASS

    ...this will improve your driving experience beyond measure. I'm sure the NY/NJ crew can chime in to evangelize it's benefits.


    While I'm not in NY/NJ I can attest to it's worth although I fought the idea for awhile but since I drive the PA Turnpike every day round trip to work, I broke down and got it. My protest was that I didn't like the idea of giving the state money up front.

    It saves a lot of time not having to wait in the tollbooth line. Plus, on a good day if there isn't anyone in front of me, I can do about 65 through that gate. :)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    Not slowing down driving through a toll booth beats having to wait in line and fishing for some cash every time!
    Delaware Memorial Bridge and north, it's worth it's weight in gold.
    Gold prices are way up there.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Here in IL we have the I-PASS (it will work in any system that the EZ-PASS will work). The IL Tollway was the first tollway to have complete open road tolling. That being you could travel the entire length without stopping to pay for a toll. You don't even go through a toll booth, just pass under a structure that is similar to what holds up signs over the highway. You can hardly tell you're going by a toll booth (there are booths well over to the side for cash paying customers).

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I am disappointed to learn that any respectable car guy hasn’t waxed their car/s since they can’t remember

    That's what I thought... until I read the following from Mr. Shiftright over in the Paint and Body Maintence discussion:

    I hand wash my cars frequently and never wax them. Even waxing is an abrasive process. I suppose if you are going to show your car or some such, or sell it, waxing might be a good idea but I can't say my cars don't look good just the way they are. I've very careful how I wash the car, though, and never let anyone "help" me

    I usually wax my car 2 times a year. The wax is suppose to protect the paint, body, clearcoat, bead off water and bird poo.. and make the car nice and shiny. But, if washing only is good enough for a pro like Shifty... maybe we all are just wasting our time and money with this waxing thing? :surprise:
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    Although I live in Connecticut, i just found out that it works all the to Indiana. Now out to Illinois, too. The more states, the better, as far as I am concerned.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "Richard...don't you dare put that crap on your Caddy."

    Don't you worry about that. Years ago, I ruined a Buick putting that junk on the vinyl seats every time that I washed it. They began to split open! I had to buy a set of seat covers until we traded the car. My wife was so embarrassed that we had seat covers on the seats. Back then, I didn't have the money to reupholster the seats. I've heard your tale from more than one person. At least you just did the dash. You might know that I would do the entire seats. On a trip home, my wife told my dad about it. He looked at me and said, "Boy, didn't I teach you a thing?" I felt like a child all over again. :sick:

    Richard
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I'm surprised that a spray-on wax would do as well as a compound, but it certainly sounds easier to apply and wipe off. I might be willing to do that kind of wax job myself.

    I use "Eagle 1 Wax As You Dry" on my car. It was rated fairly high by Consumer Reports a few years back. Wash your car, spray some Eagle 1 on while the car is still damp, dry with a soft cloth. Presto! Saves a lot ot time and looks really good.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    LOL. I bet you wished you could have seen the look on Jason's face. Good story. :D
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,703
    wonderful invention. could not travel without it. Especially now that many roads (NY turnpike, GS parkway) have put in no-slow canopies.

    and if you travel in/around NY city, it is absolutely essential to have it.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I wouldn't think that it would pay me to get an EZ Pass for maybe two trips a year. How much are they?

    I have another question for you. Why are there no signs on I-95 in Connecticut to direct you to a motel. That is our usual stopping point for the first night on the road going to Boston or Maine. It drives us crazy trying to find an exit with a motel. From Connecticut to Florida it's not a problem---gas, food, motel signs at most of the larger exits.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I've said for years that if North Carolina wanted to generate extra funds for our roads, they could put toll booths at the Virginia line and again at the South Carolina line. Why should we give our Northern friends all of our money?

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Eagle 1 Wax As You Dry---you continue to teach me things. I knew that there had to be an easier way. Thanks.

    Richard
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    I wouldn't think that it would pay me to get an EZ Pass for maybe two trips a year. How much are they?

    This FAQ should answer your questions about E-ZPass.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,168
    laurasdada.....I used to be a Zaino fanatic. I'd layer coat upon coat until Teflon would be jealous.

    It was a ritual....every sunny weekend. Cut the grass, wash/zaino the cars (married at the time so had to do the wife's too).

    These days, I pay someone to do it. Plus, I don't use Z-2, Z-5, etc. I stick with Z-AIO and Z-CS (which I used for "touch ups"). If I notice tar, tough bugs, etc, I do keep a clay bar around. But, I've noticed over the last 10 years or so that claying didn't turn much up as far as embedded stuff in my paint. So, I don't do an entire clay.

    Here's my routine (when I do it myself, which is usually once in the spring).

    -Wash
    -Dry
    -Z-AIO
    -Z-CS
    -Zaino Tire shine

    DONE! Takes about an hour.

    I do vacuum when I think it needs it (once/month). And, I clean the glass when it gets streaky (every couple of weeks).

    Aside from that, I'll probably take the Zaino AIO over to my "guy" at the dealership sometimes in the next few weeks to get him to do a detail to get the sled ready for winter.

    I get it waxed 3 times/year.....Fall/Spring/Mid-Summer. He charges $80 to do everything....inside and out. The dealership lets him use their "bay" to do side work. He does them before and after his shifts. I give him $100 to keep him doing a great job.

    He's always busy. I'd say he probably makes more than a master mechanic with no overhead.

    As others have noted, black is a hard color to keep nice. But, when clean, black is great.

    White pearl (as mine is) on the other hand is very easy to keep looking good.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,601
    One day I get an Internet inquiry for VW Golf. Jason Wesson, Email address, home address, no phone number, no specifics on the car

    I found your story interesting mico. Every business has its share of creeps, who think they are being clever. Over the long run, it just doesn't work, people see through them, like you did.

    I am not sure what he was trying to prove, probably thought by giving you a hard time he would come out ahead. Maybe, he thought he would get a good story to pass around.

    It's just me, but I would do all you can do be the best salesperson you can be, and you will come out ahead. I think in most businesses, 20% of the people will do extra and will really try, so if you are one of those in the top 20% you should come out ahead. Jason thinks he can get ahead by bringing someone else down, it's a lazy persons plan.

    Good luck and stay on the high road.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    edited October 2010
    I went through New York for mine.
    There was no charge for the transponders and since I linked my account to a credit card, no maintenance fee.
    Basically, you fund the account initially and set a threshold when it account will be replenished and charged to your card. I think my account is set up to add $25 when the balance gets down to $15.
    The only times I have had to access the account is when I we have gotten a new car, another time to update the expiration date information, and one time the card I had the account linked to got sold to another bank. My pass stopped working, so when I got home I called to find out what was going on. That's when I realized that the card used to bill the account had been closed. I paid a $15 fine and just set up my new information. Never got a ticket for not paying at a couple of the toll booths.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,890
    edited October 2010
    Connecticut must have some strict signage rules.
    In my town, only very small signs for businesses are allowed.
    Also, no drive up or drive thru's either, other than banks.
    Does your SRX have a navigation system?
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,724
    I second the Armor All experience problems. I think it's owned by Turtle Wax now?

    I used on interior and it was like using kitchen floor wax. It left a layer. And eventually that's layer dries out what's under it and leave destruction behind.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,724
    edited October 2010
    > spray some Eagle 1 on while the car is still damp, dry with a soft cloth. Presto! Saves a lot ot time and looks really good.

    Or just put some Downy into your bucket of water and slosh it over the car after the rinsing with the hose. Or spray it on from a diluted solution in a spray bottle. Other companies make rinse agents; I do not particularly like Proctor & Gamble because of their predatory pricing techniques. So I usually purchase other brands. But everyone knows what Downy is, so I used that example.

    All you need is something that has a detergency factor to reduce the surface tension of the water; then it sheets off more completely and is easily picked up by towels for drying.

    It's amazing what they'll bottle as a special solution for things in automotive care at a high price!

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Jim, thanks for the link to EZ Pass. If I lived in the North, I would definitely want one. I've often wondered what would happen if a person drove up to a toll booth and realized that they didn't have a dime on them. Do they let you go on, call the cops, park your car or what?

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Yes, the SRX has navigation. I imagine that it will help with finding those hidden motels in New Jersey and Connecticut.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Wow! Interesting that Downy could leave a nice shine like wax on your car. What is the mixture ratio in water---a fourth maybe?

    Richard
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited October 2010
    Recently my wife and I were riding around and I was telling her how much I liked my #2 son's 2002 Tacoma. The conversation went something like this:

    Me- "Yep, that Tacoma is really nice and fun to drive. Of course it is a 4X4 and has very stiff springs so it is not as comfortable as a normal car because it rides much rougher, etc. I might just get one some day."

    Her- "Well, if you want to be uncomfortable why don't you just put a clamp on your B*LL$ and keep driving a normal car?"

    I couldn't think of a snappy comeback, so that pretty much ended that particular gambit on my part.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    LMAO!!! Talk about a quick wit. She certainly knows how to keep YOU in line. That was hilarious.!

    Richard
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited October 2010
    Yeah, I have had to put up with this "quick wit" for 43 years now !! :) Even I had to laugh at that one though.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    How did I find out about Armor All?

    I remember this well.

    The year was 1974. I was a very young manager working in the Automotive Dept for a very alrge Sears store.

    One day, these two guys came in touting a wonderful new product tey were trying to get Sears to carry. It was called Armor All. Brand new on the market and none of us had heard about it.

    They did a good job of touting the product and they even applied it to the vinyl tops and dashes of some of our cars. At that time, I was driving a 1967 Plymouth Fury that was like new inside and out.

    One of the guys took a rag and smeared my dash with it. Very impressive! The dash just glowed and it looked better than new.

    A week later, it was cracked in three places.

    Of course, the AA guys blamed it on old age and the sunshine.

    Detail shops hate it!

    Kind of a not so funny story...

    Years ago, a buddy had a motorcycle for sale. He decided to detail it before advertising it. He wasn't thinking when he applied Armor All to the seat!

    It looked great but he almost became an eunich when he slid onto the gas cap when he applied the brakes!
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Putting armorall on a motorcycle seat ranks right up there with applying it to the tires. Gets real exciting leaning into a long turn at 70 mph. :sick:
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    He wasn't thinking when he applied Armor All to the seat!

    I had friends who swore by Armor All back in the 70s. I never had any problems with using it but I put it on my seats and we all slid everywhere. I stopped using it shortly after that. They say it is better now but too many folks have had issues as described here lately.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Classic! Score one for Mrs. Houdini!

    Richard - if you are taking the Connecticut Turnpike to Boston let me offer a more attractive alternate route - ANY ROAD IN THE DAMNED STATE!! The Connecticut Turnpike makes the NJ Turnpike look classy. Hideous, obnoxious thing.

    The Merritt Parkway, OTOH, is a lovely road that adds special excitement with on ramps that are maybe 50 feet long so people need to go zero to 60 in half a second. Worth it, though.

    The other alternative is I-84 which is a wonderful stretch of road so attractive beyond Hartford that it is nearly impossible to believe that the Connecticut Department of Transportation actually built it.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,869
    My sister lived in Boston for undergrad, and we have taken both the Merritt Parkway and I-84, and both are quite nice. My only complaint with the Merritt is the high numbers of unmarked state troopers that sit...well...everywhere. I-84 was the best part of the awful drive I used to make from Philadelphia to Boston twice a year, with far less law enforcement (not that I condone speeding, I just don't like feeling as if I'm spending more time watching the speedometer than the road).

    Either though should be a wonderful cruise in your SRX, Richard - Congratulations and use it well!
    2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xE, 2024 BMW i5 M60, 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,703
    Add me to the list recommending taking I84. You couldn't pay me enough to go over the GWB and up through NY to I95.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Putting armorall on a motorcycle seat ranks right up there with applying it to the tires. Gets real exciting leaning into a long turn at 70 mph.

    Please tell us that you do not have first hand experience with that! :surprise:

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    As I am now driving in NYC and cross over to NJ occasionally - I can say that EZ pass is well worth it. I once happened to be at a cash toll booth and had forgotten my wallet as I was not sure I would be driving through a toll road. Very few toll roads down in Texas. I just told the agent-- I forgot my wallet and was not used to tolls as I was from Texas and it has been almost 12 yrs since I have driven in NYC-- the agent was polite and just let me go and suggested I take the EZ pass. And you can bet I took the EZ pass that same day !!! LOL!! :shades:

    Some things never change. I thought driving in NY would have been a lot better compared to 12 yrs back. Boy--it`s even more horrible now,,really pathetic and disgusting honestly.. Cant believe folks driving with no respect to rules-- no turn signals,left side overtaking on a single lane road,purposeful lane jumping,honking like crazy and my biggest pet peeve --rather,this was a gigantic shock for me-- ignoring the red light. For folks familiar with NYC Lower Queensboro bridge entering into Manhattan onto the 2nd Ave where you make a left--folks were driving through inspite of the red sign. Agreed,traffic was maddening and almost a standstill but this was a first ever in the US. It felt like a 3rd world country where no rules are followed... Boy ,you drive like that in TX -- can bet that a Texas ranger will be chasing you down cowboy style.. LOL !!

    Boy,,you rarely if ever honk in Texas !! ;) It`s either in an emergency or as a warning. It is considered very rude and offensive if you just honk with no real reason. And not to mention a big fat cop ticket !! :shades:

    The toughest part for me to get used to in NY though--was not making a right on a red light. It is legal in TX and so everytime I was at a red light , I instinctively was turning right when I remembered I was in NY and not TX. :P
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,601
    , I instinctively was turning right when I remembered I was in NY and not TX

    Right turns on red are not permitted in New York and in Montreal - the only 2 places in North America. Drivers are pretty wild in Montreal too, if you lket them turn right on a red it would be chaos...cars with the green light would have to fight to get through. The same in New York.

    When we were in New York 2 years ago I thought, why would you ever want to drive here? I saw a woman walking across the street against the light (happens all the time) with her head down talking on her cell phone, and cars were speeding by behind and in front of her as she walked and was oblivious to all.

    It sounds like it is not much better than driving in China, although there aren't bicycles and scooters going in every direction.

    There were crosswalks in Italy, but they seem to only work if you actually wave the cars down and don't cross until you know the drivers have actually stopped.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Even waxing is an abrasive process. (‘Shifty’ made this comment)

    A true waxing is not abrasive; it is a sealing process. Wax seals the “surface”. Note that I said surface, so it helps clear coat finishes too. Unless you want to get very technical here and say that passing anything over a surface is abrasive, I’d put wax on a car rather than leave it “natural”. If waxing is abrasive don’t even wash a car because until someone can develop a system for removing dirt from a car without touching the surface with anything, I think were stuck with putting up with this “abrasion” thingy.

    Paints can take a waxing with no problem at all and unless you’re down to your last micron of paint, you can use a cleaner/polisher (AIO) product with no problem. Further, because wax puts a seal on the paint and good waxes do a very good job of this, when you wash a car you don’t touch the paint you only touch the wax. Now everyone knows my secret for multiple waxings. So, in a way, you can say I’m like ‘Shifty’…I don’t want to abrade the paint on my cars. :)

    I usually wax my car 2 times a year. The wax is suppose to protect the paint, body, clearcoat, bead off water and bird poo.. and make the car nice and shiny.

    Yeah, you’re right again. See above.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    Yeah, we may have to call Shifty out on this one. Polish may be a bit abrasive, due to the properties it was designed for. Wax on the other hand... I've never heard that it was "abrasive".
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    …folks were driving through inspite of the red sign.

    When I see this it confirms my thought that people are like sheep especially when it comes to driving. If the guy in front just made it through the light, there is a decent chance that the driver behind him, driving along not paying attention to what is going on, will just follow the car in front and go though the light when it’s red. There is an intersection near me where a left turn lane has this happen with great regularity.

    Then there are the people that just don’t give a sh**. :mad:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Driver, I think there should be a strict implementation of traffic rules by cops. I know they like to give speeding ticks but to me that`s a cop out.. Speeding obviously is bad . But IMO , much worse would be no signals for turns or lane changes,lane jumping from one side to the other especially when making a left turn and not obeying the red light. These are much graver IMO than speeding.. Alas,all they give is for speeding and more importantly for wrong parking which in NYC can get absurd and crazy with all those signs and rules. :sick:

    And as usual,,never ever ever pay a speeding ticket or any ticket.. Edmunds folks already know that I believe!! Just hire a lawyer and get it dismissed. Infact I just had one in TX when I was there a week back --probably just liberated driving there after driving in NYC ,especially with the huge wide roads and no traffic.. :shades:
    But actually ,he gave gave the ticket for 72 in a 60 mile zone.. I drive that road daily and do know when the limit changes from 70 to 60 ,rather abruptly I must say ;) -- I told him that the speed at that point was 70 and not 60 yet and maybe he can just give a warning ,and I think he realized his mistake but had already issued the citation-- so he said tough luck "Cant give a warning--nope,not today"- I guess they were trying to fill up the budget for that month. Well, I just mailed my lawyer the ticket and a check for 125-his fees and later for 125-court costs and ticket dismissed.. :P
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    No experience at 70 mph. Started riding motorcycles at age 38. Had a red 1984 V30 Magna liquid cooled speedster. I did dress the tires ONCE. Squeasled through a few turns at low speeds then returned home and scrubbed them with Comet which fixed the issue. Sold the Magna just before my son's 16th birthday. Haven't ridden since.
  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Driver, Just an off topic query . How good is the Niagara Falls? Is it worth driving over? My wife wants to go there sometime. Personally, I am not a big fan of traveling or sightseeing. I would rather just relax or laze around on the weekends with a hot cup of coffee and surf the Edmunds forums !! :shades:
  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    I have seen some folks breaking rules once in a while but this was just totally unexpected. Breaking a red light -- I had never seen it even in NYC 12 yrs back.. Not the occasional violator-- and it was not 1 or 2 guys doing that. Rather it was a lot of guys doing it-- and it was total chaos..And this was the entry into Manhattan-the world's financial hub--not some deserted backalley.. Right in the midst of this powerhub city..Folks from the opposite cross lane were just honking like crazy and these guys were driving past the red light blocking the intersection and causing a virtual traffic standstill .. The worst offenders are the taxi drivers and the commercial van or truck drivers.. But it was a first for me--never imagined that such a thing could happen in US unlike a 3rd world nation... But I guess, wonders never cease to amaze!!! :P
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,724
    Now they've got stop sign cameras. Just like the speed cameras and red light cameras they claim they're reducing accidents and increasing safety. Actually it may occur but ONLY at the location where local folks know the camera is located.

    Everyone else: it's just another tax -- money maker. Instead of putting cops out to actually check the errant drivers when they stop, the camera just clicks on the $$$. The drunk, drugged, wanted on warrant drivers never get checked. So they go on to kill someone in an accident at the next stop sign or light they run!

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g6D64gik2o96hMXuBpzAOn3ZbdkQD9- IK1IOG0?docId=D9IK1IOG0

    "After assuming that only wild creatures would witness her car roll through a remote stop sign, Wilson was stunned weeks later to get four tickets in the mail totaling $700. A hidden camera had captured her infractions on video.

    ""I was totally shocked," Wilson said. "I knew there were signs there. I didn't think they'd be that strict and be that expensive."

    "The stop-sign camera is one of seven scattered in parks along the Santa Monica Mountains that have surprised Southern California road warriors used to seeing red-light cameras and speed traps on their daily drives. During an 18-month period ending May 31, nearly 35,000 citations have been issued and the parks have collected nearly $2 million.

    "But the nation's first stop-sign cameras, introduced in 2007, have angered critics who think they're another aggressive government tactic to squeeze money out of motorists."

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,168
    imid...there are quite a few studies that have shown that red light cameras actually cause more accidents. Trying to remember the state, but I know one outlawed them calling them unconstitutional (which it is).

    How communities get away with using redlight/speed cameras is something I can't figure. If anyone goes to the trouble to challenge them, it usually means a big mess for the community.

    Like you say, the real traffic problems (texting-driving, sitting so low in the seat that you can barely see, etc) go unanswered. No wonder our driving communities are so screwed up. :sick:
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