Does anyone else think it's odd the couple had a recorder going from before they pulled up--apparently the first words were captured?
It seems they wanted to provoke an incident. I wonder if they were part of a group like the website on which the audio was posted.
Like I said, we couldn't see the body language "tells" that the border guard was seeing. There is a lot more to the story than it "sounds" like: all we heard were the "sounds."
Lots and lots of snow and lots and lots of wind. Yes the snow in front is much higher than the hood.
A nice farther would allow their child to park THEIR car in the garage, then this wouldn’t have happened. Cheer up, something tells me that you’re not going to work today so you can make amends for this by shoveling your child out. :sick:
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Yes the snow in front is much higher than the hood.
Wow, you got a lot more snow than we did in Southern Ontario. We ended up with about 6 to 8 inches. You always blame us for snow and cold weather coming down from Canada. This one came up from the Gulf then hit us.
We are off to Florida (I call it Canada 2) tomorrow, for 2 weeks. I was ambivalent before, but now I am looking forward to it.
My experience has been if you are low key and cooperative the border goes pretty much OK but don't screw around with these guys. Some can be really anal but that's what their job description calls for. They aren't paid to just waive everybody through.
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Same scenario here in KC. We have all cars parked in the garage, but of course we got plowed in, and of course with the high winds, the largest drifts settled on the driveway. We'll be taking turns digging til we can get OUT.
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Like I said, we couldn't see the body language "tells" that the border guard was seeing. There is a lot more to the story than it "sounds" like: all we heard were the "sounds."
I’ve wondered the same thing. How were they able to get a studio sound quality recording like they did. Cell phones today must be gobs better than the one I have but I’ll admit that I have the basic giveaway type that comes with the plan.
All that said, most people that have the kind of authority that Customs Officer’s, TSA clowns and the like have, very much like that kind of power. All the while using it under the guise of protecting us but most of us know better. However, we better not challenge them because that makes their day. Just like the mother that argued and was subsequently put in a glass cage for an hour because she had the audacity to question TSA clowns that her breast milk was exempt from being x-rayed. From what I’ve heard about that incident, it’s not over yet. She was a lawyer and is still building her case.
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driver - where the heck in Ontario are you? That chunk above Lake Erie?
Along the northern side of Lake Erie they got a lot of freezing rain and the roads were icy.
We are at the western edge of Lake Ontario, 45 minutes from Niagara Falls.
I don't think we got hit nearly as bad, and we have pretty good snow clearing. Buffalo often gets hit because of lake affect snow. Toronto has sent down equipment to help them out. I think customs is very nice to those guys.
Since these folks live quite close to the border, they probably cross it all the time. My bet is that they have had some runs ins before, so they decided to tape an "incident".
I still think the guard was much too thin skinned, and IMO, no one is above the law and there is no excuse to bully someone. Here in the U.S., some states and/or cities have made it a crime to video tape a policeman ! This is in reaction to all the brutality that has been caught on tape and I find that reprehensible.
I told you to get that SUV. You could just bull rush that pile of snow in the d/w and plow on through.
I managed to keep up yesterday and today with my snow blower. After the 4th pass this morning my drive in clear. Hard to tell with all the wind and drifts but I am certain we had over a foot of snow. Like you, much more in the d/w.
Oh, we've got a big Chevy 4WD pickup that does fantastically well. The problem is getting it over the 3-foot high mound that was plowed at the end of the driveway! Roads are pretty well cleared here, which is pretty impressive... getting out of one's own driveway is definitely the most difficult part.
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I think the lack of AWD limits it's sales potential in the northeast.
I think you’re right.
My brother leased one for his wife after Son #1 gave her a test drive in mine (which she obviously liked) when they came to the Burgh for a visit in the summer of ’09. They live in Southern Fl and he said they are not so rare down there. FWIW, they have the White Pearl which is pretty popular down there.
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Here in the U.S., some states and/or cities have made it a crime to video tape a policeman !
I didn’t know that but I can understand why they did it. I can’t imagine that it hasn’t been challenged in the courts yet. It must be some invasion of privacy thingy. This is in reaction to all the brutality that has been caught on tape and I find that reprehensible.
Me too. I’m all for law and order but from what we’ve seen all too often, you’d think they’d clean up their act rather than ‘shoot the messenger’.
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>the 3-foot high mound that was plowed at the end of the driveway
That's a pain. Our little city is really good at keeping ahead of the snow. I have learned to not pile any snow onto the edge upstream from my driveway end; it all gets plowed back into my drive when they go along to clean the edge of the road.
It's really bad when there is salt mixed in with the street snow. It seems to form a solid mush that is really hard to shovel out of the end of the drive. I don't mind the soft fresh snow that gets plowed into the drive.
I drove my SILs Suburban once and I thought it really felt unsafe to drive. Big bulky vehicle with absolutely no feel of the road.....no connection between the steering wheel and what you are doing with the steering.
Driver, aren't you being a little much here? Unsafe? There is no way you can compare the handling of a 5000lb+ SUV to a BMW 3 series. I've driven the Tahoe/Burb and also a Chevy 2500 HD truck and none of them were unsafe even a higher speeds. For their size I think they are pretty damn nice. If you need a large SUV for hauling, whatever the Tahoe is hard to beat. Just because something can't take a curve at 80 and have ultra-direct (IE needs constant correction) steering doesn't make it unsafe.
Driver, aren't you being a little much here? Unsafe?
I guess i used literary licence to make my point. To me it did feel unsafe though. You don't feel you are part of the car, and it just is awkward. And the steering wheel was the thinnest one I have seen in a long time, even the Kia I rented had a modern steering wheel you can grasp.
I guess I also thought it wasn't safe for me to park it in a multi-level parking garage that is always full. I can't imagine going around those turns in the garage or trying to get into a parking spot.....most aren't large enough.
I agree, it is a judgement call. I think it is unsafe to me. I am sure people drive Suburbans and Tahoes all the time and probably enjoy them, and think they are fine. I think if they are going to make large vehicles they should be engineered better, but, you can get used to almost anything I guess.
The main thing I was pointing out was "I am not the only one who appreciates good steering and handling", Consumers Report noticed these cars lacked good these features as well.
I guess the people at Consumers Report don't know how to drive as well!
I’ve never heard anyone say they knew how to drive at all. The way they rate a car is ridiculous, place one knob where they don’t think it should be and wammo, failure.
They ought to stick to rating toasters.
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I’ve never heard anyone say they knew how to drive at all. The way they rate a car is ridiculous, place one knob where they don’t think it should be and wammo, failure.
You let someone get away with this type of behavior, and it will continue. Gotta hold them accountable.
Which is why -speaking as a semi-retired state court judge- think that ALL judges should be elected. Serving by an appointment or for a life term just breeds a sense of entitlement and superiority...
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Which is why -speaking as a semi-retired state court judge- think that ALL judges should be elected. Serving by an appointment or for a life term just breeds a sense of entitlement and superiority...
On the flip side, elected judges may be influenced by contributors. IMHO, judges having to run for office just doesn't seem right. I expect judges to be above the political process.
I have a pile of snow on one side of my driveway I have named 'Moby Dick'. For at least an hour today, I had to walk each shovel full of snow 30 to 40 feet to find a place to put it. By end of day tomorrow, everything should be in good shape, though. At work, there is a pile of snow I christened 'The Matterhorn'. Since the kids are at school, I have been driving the Explorer every day. Can't remember the last time I drove the Fusion. It's AWD, but just can't compete. I think I need another SUV.
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It took us six hours (with a few breaks) to clear off the driveway. Now my big fear is that in the middle of the night they will come by and finish off plowing the road and plow me in.
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Not too many people are in shape for doing that much snow removal.. and be able to function the next day. I think the new car incentives will get bumped up this month, due to all the snow. If you want a new car in white it will be easy to find. When spring comes, it may change color.
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So am I. Prior to the storm they kept reporting that they may have to close down LSD due to wave action. So with a major blizzard coming and the idea that LSD may get closed down I don't see how anyone would want to take it.
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My Fiancee's brother was one of the cars stuck on Lakeshore Drive, but towards the front of the line. He ended up being able to drive up on a sidewalk and get around the stuck vehicles after waiting about 7 hours. If you read an article in the Chicago Tribune, it talked about how several people were pushing cars and cones out of the way - he was one of them.
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So with a major blizzard coming and the idea that LSD may get closed down I don't see how anyone would want to take it.
I don’t know if it was in Chicago but I saw a car that was doing a perfect 90 degree entry into a snow bank. Since it didn’t seem to have any other damage, like rolling into that position, that oughta buff right out, once they get the snow out of the grill. If this was Chicago, you guys are good.
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My GF the other night was pulling into her mother's driveway (with mounds of snow on each side) and BAM she hit the snow pile with the pass side front of her car hard. I got out and couldn't believe no damage. The lower grill and foglight was completely full of snow.
Hmmm.. If you could predictably put the cars up like that it might solve your Boston parking problems.
Looking at the Lake Shore Drive pictures I am reminded of my brother's ill thought out adventure in the big blizzard in 78. He went up to Boston visiting his girlfriend meaning to come home on Sunday. She talks him into staying over until Monday. His thought was that the weather forecasters never get it right so what the heck. Leaves Boston as the flakes are beginning to fall. Decides to take the coastal route because the snow isn't as bad on the coastal routes.... except this was a coastal storm where the coast gets all the snow!
He gets halfway home and is in the middle of the blizzard. He decides to head back to Boston. Yeah, like the guy who swims halfway across the lake and decides he can't make it so swims back.... So now he's in the middle of the storm and traveling with the storm. Incredibly he makes it up to route 128. He sees taillights in front of him and stops. He opens the window and looks out and sees taillights as far as the eye can see. He spent the next several days there under four feet of snow.
Luckily for him right behind him is a guy in a semi who was fully prepared to sit and wait it out - full tanks so he's in a heated cabin that whole time. They hadn't thought of food which made for a long four days.
I was down in Florida at teh time. My mom back home in Jersey was worried sick until he was finally able to call in. Then she was ready to kill him....
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you people should spend some time looking into pennsylvania politics (and in particular Philadelphia). Judges here are elected, and are basically wholly owned subsidiaries of the political parties. Right down to very questionable fund raising practices.
Don't get me started on the Pennsylvania Judiciary process. I have a major problem with the fact that Judges are supposed to remain neutral, but are elected and must campaign.
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Judges here are elected, and are basically wholly owned subsidiaries of the political parties. Right down to very questionable fund raising practices.
In Kentucky the races are non-partisan and fundraising is closely monitored. I think that the KY system beats having an entire court system populated by appointed judges who don't answer to anyone.
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It seems they wanted to provoke an incident. I wonder if they were part of a group like the website on which the audio was posted.
Like I said, we couldn't see the body language "tells" that the border guard was seeing. There is a lot more to the story than it "sounds" like: all we heard were the "sounds."
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A nice farther would allow their child to park THEIR car in the garage, then this wouldn’t have happened. Cheer up, something tells me that you’re not going to work today so you can make amends for this by shoveling your child out. :sick:
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Wow, you got a lot more snow than we did in Southern Ontario. We ended up with about 6 to 8 inches. You always blame us for snow and cold weather coming down from Canada. This one came up from the Gulf then hit us.
We are off to Florida (I call it Canada 2) tomorrow, for 2 weeks. I was ambivalent before, but now I am looking forward to it.
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My experience has been if you are low key and cooperative the border goes pretty much OK but don't screw around with these guys. Some can be really anal but that's what their job description calls for. They aren't paid to just waive everybody through.
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I’ve wondered the same thing. How were they able to get a studio sound quality recording like they did. Cell phones today must be gobs better than the one I have but I’ll admit that I have the basic giveaway type that comes with the plan.
All that said, most people that have the kind of authority that Customs Officer’s, TSA clowns and the like have, very much like that kind of power. All the while using it under the guise of protecting us but most of us know better. However, we better not challenge them because that makes their day. Just like the mother that argued and was subsequently put in a glass cage for an hour because she had the audacity to question TSA clowns that her breast milk was exempt from being x-rayed. From what I’ve heard about that incident, it’s not over yet. She was a lawyer and is still building her case.
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Along the northern side of Lake Erie they got a lot of freezing rain and the roads were icy.
We are at the western edge of Lake Ontario, 45 minutes from Niagara Falls.
I don't think we got hit nearly as bad, and we have pretty good snow clearing.
Buffalo often gets hit because of lake affect snow. Toronto has sent down equipment to help them out. I think customs is very nice to those guys.
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I still think the guard was much too thin skinned, and IMO, no one is above the law and there is no excuse to bully someone. Here in the U.S., some states and/or cities have made it a crime to video tape a policeman ! This is in reaction to all the brutality that has been caught on tape and I find that reprehensible.
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I managed to keep up yesterday and today with my snow blower. After the 4th pass this morning my drive in clear. Hard to tell with all the wind and drifts but I am certain we had over a foot of snow. Like you, much more in the d/w.
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I think you’re right.
My brother leased one for his wife after Son #1 gave her a test drive in mine (which she obviously liked) when they came to the Burgh for a visit in the summer of ’09. They live in Southern Fl and he said they are not so rare down there. FWIW, they have the White Pearl which is pretty popular down there.
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Then where would my and the wifes car go? The basement?
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Ok so it was at a drift but it wasn't the deepest part and most of the driveway was at least 18 inches.
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I didn’t know that but I can understand why they did it. I can’t imagine that it hasn’t been challenged in the courts yet. It must be some invasion of privacy thingy.
This is in reaction to all the brutality that has been caught on tape and I find that reprehensible.
Me too. I’m all for law and order but from what we’ve seen all too often, you’d think they’d clean up their act rather than ‘shoot the messenger’.
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Well it is warmer there, isn’t it? You’d still get the best spots. :P
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That's a pain. Our little city is really good at keeping ahead of the snow. I have learned to not pile any snow onto the edge upstream from my driveway end; it all gets plowed back into my drive when they go along to clean the edge of the road.
It's really bad when there is salt mixed in with the street snow. It seems to form a solid mush that is really hard to shovel out of the end of the drive. I don't mind the soft fresh snow that gets plowed into the drive.
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Driver, aren't you being a little much here? Unsafe? There is no way you can compare the handling of a 5000lb+ SUV to a BMW 3 series. I've driven the Tahoe/Burb and also a Chevy 2500 HD truck and none of them were unsafe even a higher speeds. For their size I think they are pretty damn nice. If you need a large SUV for hauling, whatever the Tahoe is hard to beat. Just because something can't take a curve at 80 and have ultra-direct (IE needs constant correction) steering doesn't make it unsafe.
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That's exactly what I'd say if you caught me trying to break into your car. :P
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Things didn't load properly. It took forever and when I finally got something, it wasn't in HTML.
I guess i used literary licence to make my point. To me it did feel unsafe though. You don't feel you are part of the car, and it just is awkward. And the steering wheel was the thinnest one I have seen in a long time, even the Kia I rented had a modern steering wheel you can grasp.
I guess I also thought it wasn't safe for me to park it in a multi-level parking garage that is always full. I can't imagine going around those turns in the garage or trying to get into a parking spot.....most aren't large enough.
I agree, it is a judgement call. I think it is unsafe to me. I am sure people drive Suburbans and Tahoes all the time and probably enjoy them, and think they are fine. I think if they are going to make large vehicles they should be engineered better, but, you can get used to almost anything I guess.
The main thing I was pointing out was "I am not the only one who appreciates good steering and handling", Consumers Report noticed these cars lacked good these features as well.
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I guess the people at Consumers Report don't know how to drive as well!
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And actually, we've had nothing but sun the last couple of days.
I’ve never heard anyone say they knew how to drive at all. The way they rate a car is ridiculous, place one knob where they don’t think it should be and wammo, failure.
They ought to stick to rating toasters.
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They ought to stick to rating toasters
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Are you kidding? They have them in place. They are a lot worse than that.
Of course most illegal aliens and drugs don't use official border crossings.
That was hilarious. I don't mind it either. I just wish it wouldn't take so long.
I've got you beat; I had to get a tire replaced at the Tire Kingdom in Hilton Head and an idiot removed the oil filler cap...
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Which is why -speaking as a semi-retired state court judge- think that ALL judges should be elected. Serving by an appointment or for a life term just breeds a sense of entitlement and superiority...
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On the flip side, elected judges may be influenced by contributors. IMHO, judges having to run for office just doesn't seem right. I expect judges to be above the political process.
Gee... I haven't noticed that the elected judges act any less superior..
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For at least an hour today, I had to walk each shovel full of snow 30 to 40 feet to find a place to put it.
By end of day tomorrow, everything should be in good shape, though.
At work, there is a pile of snow I christened 'The Matterhorn'.
Since the kids are at school, I have been driving the Explorer every day.
Can't remember the last time I drove the Fusion.
It's AWD, but just can't compete.
I think I need another SUV.
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I think the new car incentives will get bumped up this month, due to all the snow.
If you want a new car in white it will be easy to find. When spring comes, it may change color.
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Glad my car isn't one of those.
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I know you mean Lake Shore Drive but I was wondering if an old Californian with a VW bus might get all depressed reading that statement.
I don’t know if it was in Chicago but I saw a car that was doing a perfect 90 degree entry into a snow bank. Since it didn’t seem to have any other damage, like rolling into that position, that oughta buff right out, once they get the snow out of the grill. If this was Chicago, you guys are good.
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Looking at the Lake Shore Drive pictures I am reminded of my brother's ill thought out adventure in the big blizzard in 78. He went up to Boston visiting his girlfriend meaning to come home on Sunday. She talks him into staying over until Monday. His thought was that the weather forecasters never get it right so what the heck. Leaves Boston as the flakes are beginning to fall. Decides to take the coastal route because the snow isn't as bad on the coastal routes.... except this was a coastal storm where the coast gets all the snow!
He gets halfway home and is in the middle of the blizzard. He decides to head back to Boston. Yeah, like the guy who swims halfway across the lake and decides he can't make it so swims back.... So now he's in the middle of the storm and traveling with the storm. Incredibly he makes it up to route 128. He sees taillights in front of him and stops. He opens the window and looks out and sees taillights as far as the eye can see. He spent the next several days there under four feet of snow.
Luckily for him right behind him is a guy in a semi who was fully prepared to sit and wait it out - full tanks so he's in a heated cabin that whole time. They hadn't thought of food which made for a long four days.
I was down in Florida at teh time. My mom back home in Jersey was worried sick until he was finally able to call in. Then she was ready to kill him....
roadburner.....couldn't agree more.
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In Kentucky the races are non-partisan and fundraising is closely monitored. I think that the KY system beats having an entire court system populated by appointed judges who don't answer to anyone.
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