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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,165
    While I understand the allure of a kindle, I love my iPad. I use it as a reader, (among other things) and enjoy doing so. I like Apple products overall (iPhone, iPad, Macbook Pro), but I work in a Windows world. So, I have to straddle that fence every day.
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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    The iPad is the only Apple product I've ever owned, everything else has been a Windows environment from Win3.1 to Win7.
    I love the iPad but it won't cause me to convert to Apple. ;)

    It's not perfect though. The two biggest issues I have are the inability to display 'Flash' content on a website, and inability to use the USB port for a thumb drive or external HDD.

    Other than that it's amazing both in what it can do, and the way it does it.
    While I don't like reading a book on a computer screen, there's something about the iPad screen (maybe it's the refresh rate?) that makes it very easy on my eyes.
    As a book reader I prefer it to either the computer or the Kindle, though my wife prefers the Kindle.

    I've sent this from the iPad, using the touchscreen, while out on the deck just for fun! :)
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Here's a link to a large selection of free Kindle books that you can download from Amazon to either a Kindle, or a Kindle app on a PC, iPad, iPod, Android, Mac and probably a few more.

    There should be something of interest in there to most people:

    Free Kindle Books from Amazon
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    All the new stuff is on amazon to download -- the older paperback books aren't much of a deal but the new releases are usually a few bucks less than the discounted issues at the bookstores. You can even download a free sample to see if you want to buy. Actually, you can spend a lot more than $35 on a case. Check out ebay -- but a cloth bag with a drawstring works fine.
    Go to amazon and hit the kindle books tab.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    When you purchase a Kindle, does it come with any books as a starter, or do you begin with zero books?

    Richard
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,249
    Mine, purchased last November, came with a dictionary. That was it, I believe.

    However, my S.O. already had one and had an Amazon account with e-books he'd purchased. You can add something like 5 Kindles to one Amazon account, so we just added mine to his account, and presto! I had 20 or so books. Nice if others in your family have the same reading tastes.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    Go to amazon and hit the kindle books tab.

    You guys are amazing with this information. The one problem we will have is if we use Amazon.ca in Canada many books won't be available to us. The Canadian site doesn't list Kindle books separately.

    What I would like to do is buy a Kindle in the U.S. using a U.S. credit card, then ordering books from the U.S. Amazon. This will be easier to do if we get a place in Florida, as we will need a U.S. address to get a U.S. credit card.

    If it was just a matter of buying it I would have picked one up. We are going to Ellicotville N.Y. at the end of July, so we could pick up a Kindle then. We are pretty close to a Target store there. Probably pick up 2.

    This has been a great learning experience and I really thank you all for your comments and suggestions....it has been very helpful.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    You can add something like 5 Kindles to one Amazon account, so we just added mine to his account, and presto! I had 20 or so books

    Does that mean if you buy 2 Kindles on the same credit card, books ordered for one Kindle will appear on both? That would be really nice because often my SO likes the same books as me...she just reads 4X as many.

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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    If I may I'd like to get some 101 info.

    I have a router and wifi in my house. Will ipad pick it up or is it cell phone based?

    I have 4 laptops (3 XP and a 7). Will ipad do anything those won't do?

    What exactly is the purpose of ipad? I'm asking because Birthday 61

    is around the corner and wifey is asking a lot of questions about ipad

    which I cannot answer.

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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Great idea to add yours to the account. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

    Richard
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Exactly right. They all have wi-fi, which is really all you need.

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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "...my SO likes the same books as me..."

    Not that it matters, but I thought that the lady was your wife. If she isn't, you're keepiong up two ladies? I don't see how you have time to read. :P

    Richard
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    If I may I'd like to get some 101 info.
    I have a router and wifi in my house. Will ipad pick it up or is it cell phone based?


    The iPad comes with Wi-Fi as standard and you can pay more to get one with both Wi-Fi and 3G.

    I have 4 laptops (3 XP and a 7). Will ipad do anything those won't do?

    No, but it will be more convenient both to use and carry.

    What exactly is the purpose of ipad? I'm asking because Birthday 61
    is around the corner and wifey is asking a lot of questions about ipad
    which I cannot answer.


    See the last answer. It's a smaller lighter computer that holds a charge all day, and it does virtually everything that most people use a computer for that doesn't constitute work.

    Rather than list all the things it can do, here's a link to many of its features:

    iPad Features
  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    Thanks, Mac That explains a lot.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Yes, thanks Mac! I'll look around in there!
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    edited June 2011

    Not that it matters, but I thought that the lady was your wife. If she isn't, you're keepiong up two ladies? I don't see how you have time to read.


    I almost fell off my chair laughing. Kirstie mentioned her SO and I debated whether to use the word wife or SO in my post.

    I thought SO was actually a little more complimentary in a sense....an SO sounds more romantic maybe, so I decided I would go with it.

    I didn't think through how some people (you) may interpret it. No, Mrs. Driver and my SO are one and the same.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    edited June 2011
    Zero books to start but you can get free ones -- you need an amazon account to register your kindle then just find -- select--- click and buy. If you have multiple kindles on the same account you can choose which one you want the book delivered to. Ours are Mr. J and Mrs. J. Once you've read it you can delete or transfer at no cost. When traveling they are great -- plane-car-hotel. No books to lug around.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    edited June 2011
    Thanks, Mac That explains a lot.

    You're welcome. If you get one you'll find it easy and intuative to use.
    Virtually everything is done with the touch screen which is even easy to type on.
    The omission of an attached conventional keyboard is what helps to make it so light and portable.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,886
    Video about which vehicles are most American.
    Family is looking for a new car.
    With a happy ending as far as I am concerned
    If you don't read the text first.
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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Have you tired Project Gutenberg? They are digitizing books in which the copyright had expiered, so you can get a lot of the classics for free from them.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Thanks. Sounds great.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I'm glad that we sorted out that one. I knew that it had to be wife + BMW + books = happy man OR wife + girlfriend + Viagra + BMW + books = tired man. :D

    Richard
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    edited June 2011
    I'm glad that we sorted out that one. I knew that it had to be wife + BMW + books = happy man OR wife + girlfriend + Viagra + BMW + books = tired man

    Definitely the former, and yes, one smart and pretty wife is wonderful, more than one...hmmmmm, not so much. I wouldn't have time to write all these posts! :)

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,589
    To trade or not to trade. These are the questions.

    My best friend's wife drives a stunning 2009 Mercedes-Benz E350 4Matic w/ the AMG Sport Apperance Package. White with Black MB Text. He got a smokin' deal on it as he bought it right before the new 2010 E Classes were sitting in the port. The MSRP on his car was around $61K. He paid $48K before tax on it. He loves it. His wife loves it. They've got 32K on the odometer & the car is an 8.5 out of 10 on the outside & a 10 on the inside.

    His wife says she needs a bigger vehicle. Now he bought his Mercedes from the GM of a dealership that his Dad has bought numerous Mercedes' from. This guy is now the GM of a BMW dealership.

    They drive an X5 & like it. They have one equipped as they'd want it coming in. To lease the X5 is about $60 a month more than the loan pmt on their Mercedes.

    The Mercedes will only be under warranty for another $18K miles, they will need brakes at some point in the not too distant future, and another famous $400 MB oil change.

    He drives an '09 Tahoe & loves driving her car on the weekends. Doesn't like the idea if having 2 trucks.

    She Wong drive the Tahoe because she says it's too big.

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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    His wife says she needs a bigger vehicle.......................... She Wong drive the Tahoe because she says it's too big.

    The financial aspect pales into insignificance compared to the wife's perception of what size vehicle she feels comfortable driving.

    The best deal in the world will be the wrong deal if she isn't happy driving the vehicle.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,153
    They drive an X5 & like it. They have one equipped as they'd want it coming in. To lease the X5 is about $60 a month more than the loan pmt on their Mercedes.

    I am guessing the X5 leases out in the upper 600s? To go up in payment on a lease (from a buy) is really hard to swallow. How much cash out of pocket? Are they in an equity situation or is the Benz upside down? All really important questions.

    White with Black MB Text
    The MSRP on his car was around $61K.

    61K and no %^&&^&* leather???? Are you kidding me. Vinyl interior? I could never, just never do that. My crappy 35K Hyundai has real leather at least.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,165
    edited June 2011
    nyc....I'm with tjc on this (don't you just love "name acronyms"?). That's a tough nut going from a "own" to a lease.

    As you know, I'm not a fan of leases to begin with. When you add in all those acquisition fees, bank fees, disposition fees, potential mileage overages, etc, etc, that "good deal" doesn't look so good. Plus, you have no flexibility with a lease without paying huge financial penalties (such as trying to break the lease early).

    Adding that your friend is coming off of a purchase, in which she can buy or sell her vehicle at any time, well, they're going to be in for a rude awakening if the wife decides the leased vehicle is too big, too small, smells funny, etc. She's going to be stuck with it for the length of the contract.

    I agree with mac, too. Regardless of the deal, if she doesn't like the vehicle, for any reason, she's not going to be happy.
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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I can solve this problem right now. She wants a bigger car---then learn to drive the Tahoe and get a life. He loves to drive her car on the weekends---then drive it all week and get a life. Both of their cars are only two years old, and now they want to enter the lease world? Some people should get what they wish for at times.

    Richard
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    To lease the X5 is about $60 a month more than the loan pmt on their Mercedes.

    These people have big problems...I should have such problems.

    The downside seems to me is they own the Mercedes but for some reason they are leasing the X5. Paying $60 a month more for the X5 isn't a problem, just $720 a year. Mind you, the way they get tired of cars they might be better off leasing.

    Basically, I think these people need more to do than to worry about their cars so much.

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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    The last responses to nycarguy seemed a little harsh, but I have to say I concur.

    Perhaps he should give these friends of his the keys to this forum and let them come in person.

    I'm thinking they need to go to Hertz/Avis and rent a different car a week at a time until they balance in their heads what gives them the satisfaction they're seeking.

    Prestige, utility, comfort, power. Their actual station in life versus what they think they're entitled to seems to be the real problem here.

    We all want the things just above what we can afford. That's why dealers invented leasing.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,249
    As long as you link both devices to a single Amazon.com account, both devices have access to all of the books, regardless of who ordered them. They just all have to be purchased on the same Amazon.com account and the Kindles have to be named and linked to that account - it sounds complicated, but the Kindle set-up makes it pretty easy.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    I'm thinking they need to go to Hertz/Avis and rent a different car a week at a time until they balance in their heads what gives them the satisfaction they're seeking.

    That's a pretty good idea. The only thing that concerns me is I doubt these people will ever be happy with what they have...what they don't have is what they really want.

    Mako, you had a great saying about if you chase after little dollars you won't acculaulate more money. I need that saying and your reasoning to teach someone something. I think what you said was brilliant, but I understand the concept...I have to teach it to someone else. The someone else will spend an hour trying to save $5 when he could spend his time selling and making $100s of dollars.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    As long as you link both devices to a single Amazon.com account, both devices have access to all of the books, regardless of who ordered them.

    I think I've got it...and that would work out really well. Thanks for the info.

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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    And to take it a little further, if you purchased the books from Amazon they will always be available for download again to any of your devices should you manage to lose them by having the device fail, or indeed physically losing it.

    The only exception is if you have installed books independently, in which case you just need to keep a copy of the '.mobi' file on your computer.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    .................someone else will spend an hour trying to save $5 when he could spend his time selling and making $100s of dollars.

    The reverse of which is seen in government and large corporations where they'll often happily spend $100 to save $1. ;)
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Of course there is a trust issue since multiple individuals have access to one persons credit card. They sell lots of stuff on amazon -- like 82 inch televisions, jewelry and groceries. My wife and I rarely inform one another after we buy stuff. It just shows up on the doorstep and on the billing statement. Surprise- surprise.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "The last responses to nycarguy seemed a little harsh, but ..."

    I agree that mine was a little harsh. It's just that I got a sniff of "entitlement" from his friends' wants and desires. Entitlement issues really get under my skin. Nycarguy is a very nice young man and these are his best friends. Therefore, I havwe to assume that they are fairly young. If that is the case, I'm thinking that perhaps they should focus on the future---house, savings, possible children, etc. rather than wondering about their two year old cars, both of which are luxury models.

    I do not mean for my opinion to be a reflection upon nycarguy. He's not at all like that. His friends may be loaded with money, and it's their decision. I may be reading more into this situaiton than I should. If so, then they have my humble apologies.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I thought that perhaps posters would find my experience this morning interesting. Many of you will remember our recent discussion regarding oil life monitors and how often to change the oil.

    I took the SRX in this morning for a check over before leaving for our trip across country. Fluids, belts, tires, coolant, etc. were all fine. The service manager noticed the window sticker which calls for an oil change in another 500 miles and was supposed to be done by April 15th last. He asked if I didn't want an oil change prior to our trip. I declinded by saying that the oil monitor was only at 79% and that I would monitor it during our drive. He responded by saying that I should pay no attention to the oil monitor. He said that GM recommended an oil change every 4,000 miles. i retorted by asking what good the oil monitor was if you were supposed to be guided by the window sticker. He replied by saying that the oil monitor was only a general reference guide which would let you know if you were using too much oil, had an oil leak, or were experiencing some other sort of problem. I decided not to fall for this viewpoint, and declinded his advice.

    Here's my thinking. If car owners went by what the oil monitor said, or waited to change their oil and filter once a year, the servcie department business would suffer greatly. Perhaps GM is trying to support the servcie departments. I really don't know. I'm going to follow the advcie given by experienced posters here. As I told the servcie manager this morning, I'll keep a check on the oil monitor and stop at a Cadillac dealer during the trip if the oil needs changing. He gave me one of those crazy looks, but he was very nice about it. I have good faith in you guys.

    Richard
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Sound to me that the novality has worn off and they are looking at excuses to replace a perfectly good car.

    Too small but the Tahoe is too big?

    Give me a break!
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,599
    I have good faith in you guys.

    Just don't sue us if anything goes wrong.....

    Actually, I am proud of you, standing up to that over eager service manager who gets a bonus if he sells more stuff.

    They always put a sticker on the window that reflects the worst possible driving conditions and maximizes their chances of making money on oil changes.

    Of course the monitor was put in the car to read the oil and know when to change it. Why not ignore the gas gauge and keep it full all the time, since gauges aren't really reliable any way?

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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    What does the manual say about a minimum recommendation on changing the oil??

    Also, keep in mind that most oil change minders aren't actually looking at the oil. Basically it keeps track of starting conditions, number of starts, how the car is driven and runs an algorithm to give you an idea of the oil condition based on prior testing.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Different manufacturers use different methods for calculating oil change intervals.
    Some actually have a sensor that measures how conductive (or resistive, depending on which way you look at it) the oil is, which gives a measure of how contaminanted it has become.

    Others use an algorithm that takes into account time, distance, engine load, temperature, throttle openings, gear selection, etc., to determine when a change is needed.

    Yet others use just use a combination of distance and elapsed time to provide the answer.

    Our new F150 uses an algorithm as described above, but the owner also has the choice to increase or decrease the calculation in 10% steps.

    I don't know which method your vehicle uses but it may be of interest to find out.

    Extending the oil change interval is unlikely to do any short term harm, but it may cause problems in the future.
    However, as I said before, you cannot harm your vehicle by changing the fluids too frequently.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,165
    isell...I was thinking the same thing....newness has worn off and time to get a new vehicle.

    driver...I concur with your assessment of the Impala. I felt similarly when I rented one last month while traveling in Orlando. It's just a poor car design, poorly engineered, etc. It's my fervent hope that the Impala is the last of the "old GM" ways, as they'll be right back where they started before the "bailout" if they don't.

    Might find this interesting....

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/20/lutz-dishes-dirt-on-gm-in-latest-autoline-det- roit/
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,684
    tough crowd today.

    It is possible that there is a valid need for a car with more utility (say, kids). needing "bigger" obviously did not mean footprint, since an X5 is no bigger, and maybe shorter, than an E class. So maybe the need is for more cargo capacity/flexibility.

    and i agree with her about the Tahoe. A big beast that I did not care for the few times I drove my BILs, and not something I would want for a daily driver, around town, parking in tight lots car. it is also a wildly different driving experience.

    The lease question though is a whole nother issue. maybe do a 5 year loan (I would guess the MB was 5 to start, down to 3) instead and just buy the BWM? using the MB for a trade in (hoping it has some value).

    The real solution? Keep the MB, and ditch the tahoe. that way, they both will have 2 cars they are comfortable driving, and just 1 truck.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,684
    I had an impala rental a few years back (2007 I think) on business. What a dog. The gas cap got left off (hanging on the string) and the car did not even care enough to throw a CEL!

    For the oil change, GM I guarantee says to follow the monitor. The only one that benefits financially from shorter intervals is the dealer. GM gets nothing out of that transaction.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,589
    nyccarguy to the stand:

    Looks like I hit a nerve with you guys. Ouch! I will provide you all with some logical rebuttle.

    Yes he has a $60K plus Mercedes without leather. The GM of the MB dealership who sold him the car (and sold his father a number of cars) told him that unless a car was specifically special ordered WITH leather (a $2500 option), every C, E, & ML in stock has MB Text (leatherette, vinyl, whatever you want to call it). Most of their customers lease cars and adding the leather option would add money to the customers' monthly payment.

    My $41K 2007 BMW X3 that I leased had leatherette. It was comfortable & very durable. Showed ZERO signs of cracks or aging after 3 years & 46K miles.

    as for the "even my crappy Hyundai has leather" comment: I'm sure you know there are different grades of leather. Most cars like Hyundai (no offense) claim their cars have leather, but usually just where you sit & where your back rests is actual leather. The Mercedes covers the ENTIRE seat with high grade leather.

    They're not tired of their cars at all. They actually LOVE both of their cars. They have 2 young children.

    He NEEDS the Tahoe for work. He owns 2 restaurants and buys things at various supply houses, Costco (BIG QUANTITIES), and hauls food/supplies from 1 store to the other.

    She loves the way her E drives. It is the perfect size for her (She's 4'10" tall). With 2 child safety seats LATCHed in, the middle of the E is useless. Her nice sized mid-sized sedan becomes essentially a 2+2. She's going to start car pooling & taking other kids home from school or dropping kids off at their house after play dates. Usually 1 or 2 of her sisters comes up from the City to visit them on the weekend. They take the train up, but my friends usually give them a ride back (they're getting the X5 with the optional 3rd row).

    I can tell you from experience, that life with children is much easier with an SUV. Stroller & a diaper bag take up a nice chunk of trunk space. Trips to Costco or the supermarket often result in putting bags on the rear floor.

    Driver100: Aren't you looking to dump a perfectly good 328i Cabriolet?

    Richard: Their current situation has absolutely NOTHING to do with a sense of entitlement. He is my best friend (since the 4th grade) & is extremely grounded & humbled like me. He works hard and is by no means loaded. He's got a house with a mortgage payment with 2 kids. He's comfortable making the car payments.

    I'm not asking anyone here to feel bad for them by any means. They are definitely NOT looking to get rid of a perfectly good car.

    Going from owning to a lease will be an adjustment for them. She does around the 15K per year and can stay within the lease parameters. He bought his '09 Tahoe at the end of October 2009. Currently his odometer reads over 42,000 miles.

    "nyccarguy, the court thanks you for your services. please step down."

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    richard, my .02 on this topic.

    The recent GM vehicles that I've recently had were equipped with either an on-board oil life monitor or had the oil life managed through our On Star subscription.

    Generally, I found the oil life monitors to be reasonable methods of tracking when oil changes were due. Not once have I had anyone tell me that I was overdue for an oil change based on what the monitor reported.

    I know you want to do right for your car, but I'm of the opinion that 3 month / 3000 mile change intervals are simply a way for the dealer or other service provider to get more of your hard earned money. Same is true with Monroe suggesting that you need new shocks or struts every 50K.

    What I recommend - and I got this advice from a local car radio show - is that you take a small sample of your oil after it has been in your car for about 5000 miles and have it professionally analyzed by a local lab. They can tell you how the oil is performing and whether you need to have it changed soon or not. These tests run about $40 and will probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about the oil in your car. But, with the information from the lab, you can determine what mileage interval is right for the SRX.

    My daughter had her MINI for 14 months and 9800 miles before it had its first oil change. Our new Mazda CX-7, being turbocharged, will get an oil change every 5000 miles. To each his or her own.

    On the subject of nyc's friends, there is another thread here at Edmunds called "Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous". In it, there are a number of folks who swap out cars with alarming regularity. I don't think it's anyone's business to pass judgment on the spending habits of a total stranger.

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

    I'm not a particularly religious person, but I think the statement above still applies.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    This is a pet peeve of mine ...

    They have 2 car seats, need extra seating, so they are looking at a 3-row SUV. So there are 1 of 2 things going on here. They are either justifying buying a 3-row SUV in their minds OR they haven't thought the purchase through.

    If you have 2 car seats strapped into the middle row of an SUV, you can't access the 3rd row without removing one of the car seats. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to explain this to folks. They have to face the fact that, if their stated needs are accurate, then what they NEED is a minivan!

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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    They have to face the fact that, if their stated needs are accurate, then what they NEED is a minivan!

    But people so rarely want what they need, they want what they want!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,589
    Through the tailgate. Even without the 3rd row that can be used in a pinch, in the X5 you can actually sit comfortably in-between 2 car seats in the second row.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

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