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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
True, but Brentwood didn't have much luck with his Lexus or his warranty. You can certify a used car and you could end up with a winner, you could also get a car that was in a flood, you could get an Accura that was in a fairly major accident, you could get a car that the previous owner gave up on.
All these things are rare and might not happen. But, they could. With my luck, I would rather pay a little more, think of it as insurance, then just happen to get stuck with something really troublesome. The odds aren't great I would get a really bad used lemon, but with my luck, it could happen....I also don't gamble, so I could use that money to buy new as well.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
If some of you older guys want to be transported back in time, just smell the interior of almost any 1940's vintage American car. Those things had a unique smell (someone told me it was mohair). If you were ever inside one of them as a kid, that smell will take you right back.
GG, a ride to truly be proud of. It is nice to see a car like that go to someone who I know will appreciate it.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I like the interior, especially that fancy shifter.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
What a great looking car.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I also notice that you received the new 'colorful' Ohio license plates. Everyone in my fiancee's family still has the old Ohio plates because they are vanity plates that they just transfer. Personally, I like the old ones better.
Speaking of vanity plates, I think Ohio is the place where I've seen the most of them. What gives?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This day and age I would be surprised that anyone with a 10 year old or less car having a large repair bill. That is unless the crash it or forgo any maintenace.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Maybe take a small road trip to Amish country next weekend and give it a good work out.
Oh yeah...it has really, really good A/C, too!
FF....my old plain plates were looking really ratty. It was time to retire them.
That's not always the case!
All a person is really getting (and paying for) with a Certified car is an extended warranty.
With Honda anyway, I found that a lot of shoppers couldn'
t have cared less if the car was certified. They would tell me about how they had owned four Hondas and had driven all of them 300,000 plue miles etc.
It cost a lot of money to certify cars. Honda made us do some dumb things such as replace perfectly good brake pads if they were at 50% or less. Brake pads that I could have gone another 30,000 miles on.
So, we would certify some but not all of our late model Hondas. Of course, we could sell the non certified ones for less.
Some people did care. If the person was a "warranty freak", we always had a nice selection of cars to choose from.
I can't imagine what it would cost to certify more troublesome cars?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The warranty companies are smart. They use actury tables and charge accordingly.
At least one warranty company found out they lost so much money on Land Rovers that they quit offering coverage at ANY price!
Hondas can cause trouble too but it's pretty uncommon.
Congrats on the new car. It looks really good.
Amish country? You can give yourself a bit bigger challenge than that.
I'm pretty sure you new car car beat a horse and buggy, probably even 2 horses and a buggy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I can see you screaming around the curves on Route 97 through Mohican Park area between I-71 and Berlin.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Truck smashes Amish buggy, girl killed.
We were just over in an Amish/old order area near here in Eastern Indiana on a day off Friday. Stopped at a new roadside grocery/cheese/meats/yard ornaments/plant store. The east side of the building was reserved for horse tie-ups with stanchions and all. The sign said something about parking there and what would be done. I was surprised because I had not known that whole area had a large contingent of Amish even I had relatives in that village and it was 20 miles from where I grew up in Eastern Indiana.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Yeah....those Amish horses are stronger than you realize....quicker, too. :P
Imid...Adams County-Brown County are the areas I usually drive. I have to head to KY and IN Amish areas to check them out.
Some pretty and challenging Amish areas for driving in OH, though.
So basically what you are all telling me is "You bought your TSX, pay it off, then drive it until the wheels fall off.". I can do that (and probably will).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I spent a week in Ohio Amish country years ago on business - teaching a class at the KraftMaid factory.
I sent Richard an email on Thursday, hoping we could connect while he was in Colorado. He emailed me late last night with the update that he was both behind schedule and in need of truncating his trip. He has to be back in NC by the 17th rather than the 24th. Here is the gist of his email:
I'm afraid that we are off schedule. We're in Aspen and plan to reach Colorado Springs late tomorrow. Salt Lake City and Aspen have been more enjoyable than we anticipated. Don't know how long we can stay in Colorado Springs. We found out last night that we have to be back home by the 17th instead of the 24th. That means that we have to make some adjustments in our schedule. We'll probably turn south after Colorado Springs and head for Santa Fe---one of our favorite places from years ago. We'll then head east for Memphis to see some old friends and on to North Carolina. It's been a great trip and we have seen so much in just two weeks. We do plan to do Pikes Peak via Cog Railway. We could stay out here forever---love the low humidity.
Ah, well.
Thanks for passing that along...I was wondering how Richard was doing the last few days. Glad he is enjoying the trip.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I hope when you reflect back on your recent trade of your Acura TL you realize it was little bit of a slimey thing to do. It won't be the BMW dealer who is going to get hurt; it will be the customer who buys it (who thinks he is buying a car with a clean Carfax) that will be out several thousand dollars when it appears on Carfax 3 months after he has purchased it. Maybe recourse could be made with the dealer...maybe not.
I can understand your frustation of having a nearly new car lose thousands of dollars due to a major accident. But your recourse would have to be to sue the person who hit you for the depreciation/loss.
Please understand I am certainly not perfect; and I can understand it would be tempting...but please reconsider in the future.
Isell...you were surely biting your tongue on this.
Kevin
‘fez’ needless to say, I hope it works out for you and our prayers won’t hurt either. I'm sure you know that everyone in here is pulling for you.
This is where you come in. I'm not expecting a match from in here but any time you see anything about testing people for the bank please go do it.
I’ll second that. About 5/6 years ago Son #2 went to give blood for a child that needed help due to a med problem. He wasn’t a match for that child but he got a call from a lab at the University of Pittsburgh about a week later saying that they’d like him to do a plasma thingy for a woman who lived in the mid-west (that’s all they would tell him about the recipient). They said he was as close a match as they had ever seen and would come pick him up at his home if he wanted them to do that. There was no need for that. I took him to the lab bright and early two days later and when we walked in they were all over him. They thanked him to no end saying they were holding their breath, hoping that he wouldn’t back out. They immediately got on the phone and informed the hospital on the other end to get things ready it was a go on the Pittsburgh end and they’d keep them informed as the procedure progressed.
The procedure took a little over 3 hours and when they were done the lab had a police escort for a nurse to be taken to the airport for a waiting private jet to get her on her way with a specially designed container packed with ice for those things. They told my son that if it meant anything, and it did, that because he was such a near perfect match they were almost certain that the woman would be fine. We both felt very good about that.
I know I’ve been out for a while and I’ve missed a lot but I’m catching up on some reading. Like it or not, I’ll be back in here just like old times in a little bit. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Personally, I happen to think that a properly repaired car can be as good as new. I think people make too big of a deal about " Has this car ever been in an accident".
And, please tell me why the new owner will be "out several thousand dollars".
You know more about the car business than I will ever know; however I would think if two $30 k cars are identical in everyway; however one has had an 18K accident; and one is unmolested; a 3k hit in value would be pretty typical.
Kevin
Carfax isn't perfect, but it sure beats buying with no info.
Welcome back jmonroe, was wondering where you went.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I agree with that too, having a car in the stable that had 8k or so worth of work when new.
What I am stunned about is how the dealer GG traded his TL into didn't catch the paintwork. I am no expert, but can usually tell if a car has had paintwork or not.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
-Dawn wash (remove old wax)
-Clay (really wasn't necessary)
--Z2
-Z-CS
Came out looking good.
buick....do I feel sleazy? Ummmm....no, not in the least. As I said before (and I was quoting a car dealer), if you want a perfect car, buy a new one. As it stands, the repairs done on my TL are guaranteed for the life of the car. And, there's still plenty of warranty left.
Whomever asked me about the car being in an accident (only one dealership), I was honest with them and told them it had been in an accident. If anyone else asked, I would have told them the same.
The shop that did the repair I have ultimate faith in as I've used them many times before. If you inspected closely, you would be able to tell there were new parts. Only way to tell from the paint was to use a paint gauge.
While I don't feel the need to justify my position, being called sleazy in a public forum certainly does prompt me to respond, however.
That being said I can't imagine what that BMW dealer was thinking putting $32k on it. GG did incredibly well, his Acura was worth $26-27k IMO.
Nice ones are $29-30k at the auction, maybe $31k... but $32k is ALL the money, and the car's got paintwork and probably unibody damage? Yikes.
No offense, but that car would have never been traded at my store for that kinda scratch.
Bill
IMO, anyone who is appraising cars, especially late model high line cars, who can't spot paintwork (And I'll bet you my 356 that I could have spotted the work done to your TL) basically deserves to get cracked.
My Uncle had a saying, you only get ****'ed if you're ****able.
Just as it's an individual's responsibility to check out a used car before purchasing, it's the responsibility of the trade-in evaluation team at a dealership to do their inspection and determine what the car is worth to them.
You can't expect a dealership to go through point by point and disclose everything that is or might be wrong with a used vehicle, and you can't expect the same of a consumer on trade-in.
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I haven't Zaino'd my new car yet. Came from the dealer looking pretty good and shiny, so I'll wait a bit before I Dawn/Z7/Z6/Z5(ZFX)/Z6/Z5....! Intersting, I have a "Liquid Silver" car, I believed Z2 would be the correct polish, but Sal insists I Z5! I am washing it with Z7, though. And applied some of my old Z5 to the wheels. Which seem to be a total brake dust magnet. :sick:
How's the Z-CS?
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I'll bet it would have if the purchase vehicle was over 50 thousand bucks.
There was nothing sleazy on GGs part. Dealer wanted to make a sale.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Z this... Z that.... holy crap :surprise:
I think I'll stick with Gold Class wax!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Graphicguy is a big boy and doesn’t need anyone to come to his defense but to call what he did “slimey” goes way too far. If the dealer doesn’t ask, why should anyone volunteer info that would hurt their wallet? I see in post 70090 where ‘graph’ said he would have told them the car was in an accident if they asked and I believe him and I’m sure all that have been around here for a while believe him too.
I sure hope you’re not going to question him about that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
A lot of people don't even care.
We once had a customer wreck a nearly new BMW on a demo drive when he turn left in front of an oncoming car. We took it to the best body shop in town and it took them over a month and 10,000 to fix it. The work was done so well that even our skilled Used Car Manager couldn't detect the repair work.
We disclosed the damage and we did not discount the car from it's former price.
Some customers cared and some didn't. I ended up being the one who sold it to a very fussy customer. He took it to BMW for an inspection and was told the car was as perfect as a two year old car could be.
Oh, he tried to use the accident as a bargining tool but I just told him..." If you are uncomfortable with this accident history, you prob ably shouldn't buy the car".
He bought it.
Graphicguy is one of the most down to earth people on these forums.
I had the same issue come up all the time when I presided over Small Claims Court -AKA "The Gong Show". People would buy a fright pig at a mouse house, sign an "As-Is" waiver and then haul the dealer into court when the heap died 5-6 months down the road. Back in the '80s I even had one nitwit who bought a scabby Gremlin, drove it for over a week, and then "discovered" that the POS wasn't equipped with power steering. "But the dealer ad said it had power steering!" he wailed. I filed that guy under the "Too Stupid to Breathe" heading...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Agreed. I don't see what all the hand-wringing was about in the first place.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
They were calling him slimey (or was it sleazy?) because he used Zaino......
Truth is, he did VERY well. Glad he likes the BMW!
Bill
Agreed. I don't see what all the hand-wringing was about in the first place.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
laurasdada....I don't car how careful you are, black cars will show swirls....simple as that. The Z-CS feels super slick. It was really hot when I put it on (even in the shade). So, it took a long while to disappear and it did smudge in places (forcing me to put some Z-16 over it to get rid of the smudging).
I'll use Z2 until the swirling becomes noticeable (2 years?).
brentwood...I respect your opinion. But, I don't know that your store would be one that would throw a '10 Acura on your lot, would it? I could be wrong.
Fact is, most of the stores I went to did little more than start the car, rev it a little, look in the back seat, try all the windows, the A/C, etc to make sure everything worked. One UCM actually pulled out a paint gauge. He asked about accidents. I told him. There was no frame damage. I guess the paint (diamond white) was a real PITA to work with and get right. So, the repairs cost more because of color (and the lack of parts availability from Japan, as I insisted on only Acura parts).
If it hasn't sold already, I bet it will shortly. And, I bet it sells for something in the $35K range, maybe $34K on a bad day. That's a tidy profit for the dealer.
I've seen similar used SH AWD TLs with Tech package advertised in the $37K-$39K range at dealerships. I think the dealer bought it at a fair price and will sell it at a decent profit.
I think it's well established that CARFAX is often wrong. Further, maybe one should find a used car they want, but wait another 6 months to buy it (if it's still available) just to make certain nothing shows up on CARFAX (if anything shows up on CARFAX).
Again, we're talking about a used car here...one with a ton of warranty left.
Should I offer that I often drove it faster than the speed limit? Or, that I regularly floored it/ How about that I had to brake hard on several occasions? I spilled a soda in it once, should I write that down on the title?
You did??!? Oh, say it ain't so......
I have to go hose a dealer in NJ. If I could judt remember of there's one in this forum.....
I have never offered up that kind of information when trading a car. And, likewise, when buying a car, that information has never been offered up to me. Hell, at least if I'm asked directly about paintwork, I'll be completely honest. Whenever I've asked a salesperson, they have no clue. The answer is usually something like, "I don't know. We took it on trade." It is up to me to do my own homework and determine if a car has had any paintwork.
And that is exactly why GG wouldn't be causing the next buyer any money at all. I'm SURE the UCM spotted the paintwork when it was traded ... but there is a really good chance that nobody is offering that info up to the next buyer of that car.
What's more, SO many cars have paintwork ... even new cars.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I didn't realize those existed. I'm getting educated. Thanks.
Any particular village names? We might try cruising through some. I used to go to Georgetown occasionally to the Ruthven gallery. That would have been a nice day trip from Dayton area.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,