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@bwia said: "Amanda Knox was found guilty again and thumb's her nose at the decision. What's up with that?
What all of us have to understand is that the Italian justice system is very, very different than the American justice system. If Knox had been tried here for murder, she would have been found not guilty because of all the mistakes and mishandling of evidence.
Another issue is "double jeopardy". The Italian judicial and political system is plagued by prejudice and incompetency. She was found not guilty in their courts, but then it gets overturned by their Supreme Court. That would never happen here.
Whether she assisted in the murder of her roommate or not is no longer the issue. The issue has now become political.
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The issue has now become political.
Imagine.
That'd never happen here.
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I have linked to National Post site that you suggested when I mentioned CanadaFP. Thanks for the suggestion.
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"Imagine. That'd never happen here."
Of course not - we're too pure for that ever to happen - right?
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Let me know what you think. You may find more reporting on international issues...we don't have as much real news since we only have 10% of the population of the USA...though more square miles (by a little bit).
The big stories in Canada right now are the Bieb and Rob Ford. Canadian dollar has sunk from being on par with the US dollar to being worth about 90 cents. That's not helping us in Florida.
However, our sales tax is 13% (8% provincial and 5% federal - don't laugh, you will probably get a federal tax soon too) and Florida tax is 6% so that's close to a wash...ha.
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Mike, this was not their "Supreme Court". The defense is now going to appeal to their Supreme Court.
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Their Supreme Court overturned the not guilty verdict which is why she was retried. That happened 18 months ago. At least that's what was reported on the news.
Maybe I heard it wrong - but wasn't she allowed to leave Italy? Refresh my memory Houdini.
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yeah, her 2nd trial found her not guilty, and she was released and is back in the US. Not been following it to know what exactly led to an attempt at a 3rd trial.
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Italy has a 3 strike rule in their judicial system. I don't know exactly what that means but I'm guessing they can have up to 3 trials as her co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito is appealing the outcome. Knox may be extradited to Italy and the US would most likely have to hand her over as we have a treaty with Italy.
There has already been 3 trials. In first trial, guilty, second trial, innocent, third trial guilty again. Now, supposedly, appeal to Italian version of Supreme Court by the boyfriend.
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I think I read a couple of articles on the trials when these crimes were first reported. Sounds like a love triangle to me. But, I wasn't there, and neither were the Italian prosecutors. As someone else said, she wouldn't have even gone to trial, here. I'd be shocked if the U.S. extradited her to Italy, if even such a request was made (which I seriously doubt).
In any event, if I were her, I think I'd be taking this opportunity to find me a new home.
At the very least, I'm betting she's having a great deal of difficulty finding a new boyfriend.
As one article noted, it would be pretty difficult for the US to expect extradition of Snowden if they don't extradite in return. It may come down to politics if Italy requested she be returned.
Not unless you stand your ground.
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"...you'll probably get a federal tax soon"
We don't need that, we have speed traps to collect extra money for the government.
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Yeah? She'll walk into a bar and state "I'm a kinky sex criminal" and every guy in the place will be buying her drinks.
Double standard my friend.
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I posted about this before but I’ll say it again since we are on the subject.
We lived in SC from ’92 till ’97 in a town about 12 miles from Augusta GA and it snowed there one time, if that’s what you can call it. Mrs. j was in a super market at the time and she was looking over her list and when she looked up all of a sudden the place was packed. She asked one of the women near her what was going on. The woman said, “darlin haven’t you looked outside, IT’S SNOWING”. Now let me tell you, Mrs. j is no fan of snow so she rushes to the front of the store to look outside and sure enough it’s snowing. There is a little bit of snow on the grassy areas but none in the parking lot or on the road leading to the store so she casually continued with her shopping so she wouldn’t be in the loooong lines at the checkout.
That night when I got home I watched the 6 o’clock news from Augusta. I swear, I don’t think there were too many upright telephone polls in Augusta that didn’t have a pickup truck helping to hold it in place. The poles that were horizontal had a pickup not too far away.
I was talking with a fellow worker the next day about the snow. This guy was born and raised in the Augusta area and he said when those freak snow falls come along every so often they are good for business. When I asked how that could be he said his brother in law owned a body shop.
I’ll admit, there are plenty of Yankees that don’t know how to drive in the snow but I don’t think there are a handfull or two that are born and raised in the South that know that it’s not all gas then all brake when it snows.
FWIW, I took pictures of that snow fall just to prove to my family when I visited that it does snow in the South. My favorite is the pix that shows a palm bush of some type that I had at the edge of the driveway and the street that was covered with a small amount of SNOW, yet the view of the street showed it was just wet.
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You think so? Maybe it's a ruse, but every interview and picture I've seen of her recently she's made herself look like a dowdy, frumpy, soccer Mom.
Could be right, though. I can see it now, in addition to her bar banter, she could also state that she spent a few years in an Italian prison. That in and of itself will attract a.......ummmmm......certain element.
We don't need that, we have speed traps to collect extra money for the government.
Doesn't matter, we have speed traps as a source of revenue too....doesn't stop the feds from imposing a federal sales tax. The more they taketh away, the more they need and want
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Double standard my friend.
Good point OF. They might not be too excited when they find out she has a $4 million legal bill.
Then again, maybe after selling movie rights and a book deal.......................
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jmonroe....was thinking about you recently. The new Hyundai Genesis is a stunner, I think. Really good looking car, inside and out. Are you interested in it?
I saw some of the pictures on the news and one thing I noticed was a large percentage of the cars shown were useless in snow. Many 2 door coupes and cars that are built for speed with low profile tires. Many SUVs and trucks probably don't have AWD.
Back in Canada, there is a greater percentage of cars that have AWD and only a minority have racing type tires. This is probably a bit of a problem because no matter whether you have AWD or good snow tires, you can't get by the cars that are stuck and unable to move because they just aren't made to be driven in snow.
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I read through some comments after different articles from various sources in the south. Besides the folks who still are blaming the North for the unfortunate difficulties (the Civil War), there were a few who pointed out that when there's heavy rain there are many accidents from those who think tires stick on anything. I suspect also a lot of cars did not have tires that are up-to-date and able to grip. They may have more than 2/32 inches of tread depth to be "legal," but they are good at gripping. E.g., I replaced the Michelins with 4+ and 5/32 left and 6 years of age this fall because they were beginning to show their lessened grip on wet pavement. I wanted to be ready for snow. I could have driven them into next summer, but I realized the short tread and age were affecting them.
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I gather you missed my comment before when ‘houdini’ and ‘driver’ posted a pix or two of the 2015 Genny. So far I don’t like the front end and as others have said, it’s a Fusion-like look which I’m not particularly fond of. Although everything else about the car looks pretty good. I’d hate to buy it and have to sneak up on it from the rear or side to get in it.
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I don't know the legalities of the extradition of a U.S. citizen if that citizen was found "not guilty" by a foreign court system - bringing up "double jeopardy". If the U.S. extradites Knox, they would be sending her into a double jeopardy situation, so I believe a legal interpretation is necessary, that's for sure.
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I've read quite a few articles and all them pretty much say the same thing - the US has no reason for not extraditing her. Italy has a legitimate legal system that is recognized by the US and an extradition treaty is in place between the two. Not extraditing would be a slap in the face of diplomacy and make extraditing people back to the US much more difficult.
The experts say the double jeopardy issue wouldn't apply because the case wasn't tried in US courts. The US may not like it, but it has to respect foreign legal systems if we want them to respect ours - within reason of course. I don't think the US would extradite someone if human rights violations were involved.
If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt it is, then we should definitely add an amendment to all our extradition treaties that if a U.S. Citizen is found innocent in a court of justice in a foreign country, the U.S. will not extradite that U.S. Citizen back to that country if, in fact, it would put the citizen into a "double jeopardy" situation.
I know that Canada will not extradite someone to the U.S. if that individual will possibly be facing the death penalty - so I do know that amendments to the extradition treaty can be made.
Under our Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments to our constitution), an individual may not be subjected to a "double jeopardy" situation in the court system.
So I would be in favor of amending our extradition treaties to include this.
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Our friends in the UK want justice for Meredith Kercher. They believe Amanda "bought" her innocent verdict in the second trial and that the third trial was fair and she should be extradited. In the U.S. no one seems to care about the victim (Meredith Kercher) but the Brits believe Amanda is guilty as sin.
I think the Italian courts should demand that the revenue generated from Amanda's book sale should be confiscated and go towards covering court costs. I have not read her book but I hope it is not like the O.J. Simpson saga, "If I did it."
I have absolutely no idea who killed who! I followed the 1st and 2nt trials a little through the news reports and newspapers, but it sounds like the Italian justice system "mishandled" quite a bit of the evidence. It's the Italian's fault if they found her not guilty the second time.
As for Knox "buying" her not guilty plea for the second trial, I wouldn't put it past the Italian Justice System to have that happen in their jurisdiction. Every time there is a highly publicized trial over there, it seems there is quite a bit of hanky-panky going on - both in the courts and outside the courts.
I just don't see how Knox could possible get a fair "FOURTH" trial over there - whether she is guilty or not. How many times do you get to try an individual for murder? Sounds like a very expensive proposition to go through what now is 4 trials. Who can afford the legal costs?
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Mike...you make a very good point. If the Italian courts can do that, all they have to do is to keep trying someone, regardless of the outcomes, until they can't afford to defend themselves There is so much wrong with this whole affair.
My parents were from Italy. I know my late Father felt the U.S. represented fairness and justice more than his home country.
I think you mean Italians but that is a mistake we can all make.
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@bwia said: but the Brits believe Amanda is guilty as sin
Don't know about the Italians but the Brits are fuming mad.
The victim in this murder was a Brit - so bwia is correct driver . The British populis is furious because they believe Knox is as guilty as sin!
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Wow... Things look different around here. I should visit more often.
"Wow... Things look different around here. I should visit more."
The old saying, "...if you don't use it, you can lose it..." applies here. If you don't drop by at least once a week, this is what happens!
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I can only speak from personal experience but there is nothing stupider than a young man enthralled with the prospect of hooking up with a "wild" woman.
Before I met mrs. Farmer I briefly dated a go-go dancer (boy does that show how ancient I am). She was crazier than a bed bug but I didn't care. Didn't end well.
In the wisdom of age I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole but at the time she was irresistible.
Looking back at myself in my 20s I could see a crazed sex killer as being desirable.
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"In the wisdom of age I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole but at the time she was irresistible.
Are you sure about that pole's length? 10 yards, 10 miles, 10 meters, 10 inches, 10 kilometers, 10 feet, etc?
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Hopefully, either mrs. Farmer already know this or won't find out.
OK, I see what he meant now. I read several British news websites and found the facts were mostly stated about the same as the US news sites. There were a few negative remarks about Ms. Knox.....in one paper a guard called her an ice queen who showed no emotion while in prison (the British really like those kinds of stories - in this case a guard stating his views of a prisoner - that seems a little unprofessional. One lawyer said American lawyers don't show proper respect for the Italian legal system.
I don't get an impression there is any real anger, unless referring to the general public.
I'm not sure anyone ties the poor murder victim of the crime to an international incident, but, I have occassionally been wrong before. It is an interesting theory though. The main conflict seems to be between Italy and the US. Not sure how competent the Italian judicial system is, but usually you have to abide by the rules of the country you are in...unfortunately.
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"I'm not sure anyone ties the poor murder victim of the crime to an international incident..."
No, I didn't get that feeling from what little I know about the case. What I did hear was that this was part of some love triangle - at least that is what the prosecution alleges. Further, that Knox was the murderer because of jealousy.
Then the defense claimed that the real killer has already been tried and convicted and is serving his sentence in an Italian prison.
From all the allegations, the mishandling of the DNA evidence and other evidence by the police and the Italian legal system, many claim that Knox should never have been brought to trial. But the Italian legal system was so embarrassed by the mishandling of the evidence that they became vindictive in their pursuit of so called justice.
Let 'a face it, the entire case is a mess and a nightmare for everyone concerned. We still have a murdered young woman - but whether or not there was a conspiracy on the part of the defendents to commit that murder is only conjecture from my perspective.
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My college days were monopolized by The Beautiful Bi-Polar Redhead. I don't regret the experience but if we had stayed together I am certain that one or both of us would be dead or in prison...
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Well....that explains quite a bit (just joshing, farmer).
Had one of those in college, too. Only, mine was a bi-polar blonde. It ended poorly when...and I'm serious....I caught her urinating on my clothes she pulled from my closet and threw on the floor. She flunked out (thank the deity for that). Otherwise, I believe things would have become much worse if she'd stuck around.
To show you how stupid I was, after she flunked out, she came back to campus 2-3 months later to meet up with mutual acquaintances. And, I agreed to join her. That endeavor lasted about 30 minutes until I bolted as I was quickly reminded of her.....unique personality traits. Good think we met at a public place.
Must be one of the worst things imaginable to be found guilty of murder when you are innocent. In this case there is no direct evidence to convict so she should be presumed innocent. It would be a nightmare to find yourself in that kind of situation.
This article from the British Guardian really tells it as it is...very fair article btw...and says this is a travesty, that 2 innocent victims are tied up when there is no evidence against them.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/amanda-knox-raffaele-sollecito-case-harsh-verdict-italian-justice
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Sometimes we are lucky we learned from our first loves - what we don't want!
But, speaking of sex crazed killers.....no matter how awful their crimes, there are always groupies who will write to them and want them. That, I don't get.
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SPEAKING OF OUR FIRST LOVES!
When I was admitted into the Graduate Program for my Master's Degree through a fellowship from the Department of Education, I was transferred to Chicago from New York. One Saturday, a bunch of the guys decided we would play some football on the campus. One thing led to another and I ended up with a dislocated left knee - it blew up like a balloon. I ended up at West Suburban Hospital in Oak Park, Illinois where they performed emergency surgery to put the knee back into place and a few days later, I was in surgery again for torn ACL, severed biceps and triceps tendons, etc.
When I woke up in my room, there was this gorgeous student nurse taking care of me. She was blond, blue-eyed, and...and...and..., etc. She took care of me for 3 weeks in the hospital while I recovered. After going through physical therapy and having a shoe brace attached to my knee to assist me in walking, I was released and went back to the dorm. I got her phone number and since New Year's was a few days away, I invited her out. She said that would be great. In the meantime, we went out on a few dates and I literally "fell in love" with her.
The day before New Year's, she asked if she could surprise me and wanted to make the arrangements for New Year's Eve. I cancelled my plans for us and agreed. She said she would drive and she picked me up at 9:00 P.M.
We drove about 4 miles and she pulled into a Church parking lot. I asked her if it was common for a Church to have a New Year's bash. She said, "...of course Michael, where else would we be on New Year's Eve?" We entered the church - and for 3 hours, we prayed in the pews, sang hymns and songs, and at New Year's (12 midnight), the Church bells chimed for 30 minutes, after which "class was dismissed" if you know what I mean.
I was cordial, empathetic, and calm as a cucumber. She dropped me off at my dorm - and luckily I was flying back to New York City the next day to be admitted to the Rusk Institute at NYU Medical Center for inpatient intensive therapy. That was the last I saw of, heard of, even the last I thought of that gorgeous student nurse. I had fallen in love with someone who thought Church on New Year's was the place to be - I just wasn't ready in my young life to submit to that.
I ended up 1 year later back in Chicago where I met my wonderful wife - I was driving a 1967 Stingray Fastback Coupe and I pulled up to a cleaning store to drop off some clothes I wanted dry cleaned. She was at the register - and instantly I asked her out on a date. She looked outside, saw my blue stingray and asked if it was mine. I said yes. She also said yes - 1 month later, we were engaged and married 7 months later. Thank goodness she thought New Year's Eve was the time to drink, be merry, and have fun.
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Driver, how can you say that the article is fair when it was penned by no other than Andrew Gumbel. His disclaimer: "Andrew Gumbel was co-author of Raffaele Sollecito's account of the case, Honor Bound: My Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox"
If you've had dreams of being buried in your favorite car, maybe this motorcycle example will be interesting.
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I hate to tell them this but I learned to drive in crap much wrose than that. Yeah I know how to drive in snow and ice.
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In 79 Chicago had a pretty bad winter snow wise, the city dropped the ball on it and it cost the mayor his job.
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I haven't really been following this case but wasn't she found guilty and an appeals court overturned that and then she was retried?
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But she wasn't found not guilty, she was found guilty and an appeals court overturned that verdict, she was then retried on those charges.
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