The consumer won't feel the hit if his/her wage is higher because of it and then can compensate for the increased cost. The union employee then can turnaround and buy a good/service from the consumers business and then his wagees/profits theoretically go up. This is the gray area you either ignore or miss. It actually works alot like capatalism
In the same post you were against nationalized curricula, but you seemed to be expecting uniform results from independent local or state controlled schools in US.
I always love the comparisons of the best students from foreign countries with the best students from the US measured on some scale; it gives the IQ 85 media writers so much to crow about. I.e., "US students 21st behind other countries in math on test sponsored by some group." The total output has to be evaluated compared to the total output of the other country and its schools.
I see the comparison just as confused to myself as normal folk as cars and manufacturing and the idea of not having tariffs to protect US against dumping from other countries as occured in the 70s and 80s (and even now). Our problem is the politicians and major businesses control the possibility of tariffs and they're the ones going to benefit from the contributors who want to have a say in what gets or doesn't get a tariff.
That's what a mutual fund is for. Mutual funds manage billions of dollars, much bigger than any typical company pension funds. It's just dumb to invest one's entire retirement in the same company that pays the salary . . . all eggs in one basket.
Germany is a federal republic, as is USA. Unless I am getting it all wrong, we already have plenty of socialism here in the States. I take it you are wanting to take it to the next level? Socialism is like taking meds, you must be aware of side effects. Oh yeah, results may vary.
President Nixon, the liberal of course, wanted a national health care plan. He may have been right. It is yet another socialist plan, though we already have it for those of certain age, or those which are poor. It may be unnecessary in the future though it may be something to very-very carefully fully examine before execution. They have it in a lot of other industrial countries, but you have to consider just how well it will work here in the USA. Should help the car industry here. Does the good out weight the bad? I believe the issue is coming to light again during the 2008 election race. -Loren
I don't have anyone working for me since I'm not a employer however even if I did I wouldn't have the attitude that I pay my employees so well they got the world by the [non-permissible content removed]....
If you think you could get away with $10 an hour you really don't think very positive about your help :sick:
Obviously, any such "protection" means forcing consumers into making choices that they otherwise would not make in a free market. In other words, lowering the standard of living for all for the benefit of privileged few. Can you imagine all the squabble that will result from such a robbing peter to pay paul scheme?
Okay, perhaps you are a expert in this area. I like I said never claimed to know the answers.....They got hosed regardless because of a few exec's that wanted to "cook the books" :mad:
Too late! Some of them came through recruitment ads that offered only $10 an hour starting pay. After a couple weeks, I raised their pay. The average is currently standing between $20-25.
Jailing people for trying to organize union is very different from not having a union, isn't it? The existing union there is simply so powerful that it not only mandates all shops are closed shops that only union members can work there, but also all rival unions are banned.
It's the same thing I tell people about becoming as close as possible to a 100% service economy. do you really want all our eggs in one basket in that perspective ????? I sure in the heck don't. :mad:
I disagree with you very strongly and feel it will only bring prosperity. however it will take sending the illegal aliens home in order to make it work because that is the biggest obstacle of any socialist country and that is being soft on immigration.
(1) It doesn't matter when capitalist making more money either because he would then have to spend the money and raise everyone else' income;
(2) Corruption doesn't matter either, as the corrupt government official then have to spend more money, and raise everyone else' income.
What's really going on here? You are tracking the wrong thing in economics. Living standards is not how much nominal money that one is putting his name to. Living standard is determined by how much goods is available for consumption. That's why we need a system that encourages production. Corruption, unions and other monopolies certainly do not lead to higher levels of production.
Boeing, yes is outsourcing and they have a ton of government contracts. Blame Fords CEO for it. That will probably be the future of ford leaving GM, as the only american company left. If GM, follows suit i might be driving Mercedes AMG's like fintail. :mad:
"Service economy" means everything that is agricultural or heavy industry. Much of custom manufacturing is "service economy." For a time, there were human transportation, mule/mule transportation, and mechanical transportation. It seemed to have been okay to have bet on mechanical transportation instead of govoernment subsidies to keep stevedores and draft horses important aspects of economy.
A perfect balance of unionism and capatalism has worked quite well in this country for the better part of 50 years. it wasn't until 3rd world country's got involved that ruined everything because a few greedy CEO's saw dollar signs with China's mass population and cheap labor for short-term benefits.
The 3rd world factor is what screwed capatalism up otherwise it works great when country's like ours and Norway trade because we both have similar standards of living and the 3rd world wage doesn't come in to a factor of what goods the consumer will ultimately choose.
Your definition and description is much different than mine. A service economy to me is doctors, lawyers, real estate agents, store clerks, CPA's, etc etc etc... you get the picture they provide a service instead of manufactoring a product.
I do not expect uniform results from independent locally controlled schools. The difference is the device through which they compete against each other.
National uniform education system was invented in Germany in the 19th century in order to build a army in the Prussian model. It was an institution for promoting nationalism and militarism; actively promoted as such, and showed the result later in history.
A uniform education system may have certain advantage on subjects that the government want to emphasize, at the expense of fields the government have no clue about that could have potential. The result may be spectacular in established disciplines such as math and science where objective tests are easy to forumlate. However, it does not mean more innovators because innovations usually take place at the boundary of existing disciplines; innovation is quite different from test taking.
Industries in the 19th century promoted public education with standardization because they wanted a supply of uniform workers for manufacturing. Not all that different from army building. Like Jefferson observed early on, industrial manufacturing is a very souless pursuit. The quicker we grow past it the better.
I should make it clear, I do not consider higher math and science scores in standard tests the goal in education. Higher math and science scores in standard tests may indeed provide better position fillers for manufacturing industries, but it's not necessarily what a thriving pluralistic democracy need the most.
What's there to disagree? Standard of living will improve because people have less choice? That makes no sense.
Not sure why "illegal alien" is even brought in here as a whipping boy. If you want the government to guarantee a set of services that no citizens are willing to provide, guess what are the solutions:
(1) the socialist service guarantees is abrogated; (2) some citizens are chain-ganged into doing it; (3) create a second-class citizen who will render the service but do not get to enjoy it. i.e. semi-slaves.
A very simple question is, if you enjoy the dollar meal at McD's, would you like to go to a smelly bathroom or would you like to clean it yourself if you want to ban the cheap labor.
Rock, you really gotta stop reading alternate history :-)
The "perfect balance" between unionism and capitalism from 1930 through 1980 worked out to be something like this:
(1) No major new viable domestic automaker founded, whereas thousdands were born in the decades before;
(2) Existing automakers underwent massive consolidation, until we have only three main choices;
(3) Quality went to complete crap after the sons of the first-generation union workers who retained some work ethics from pre-union days took over from their dads;
(4) Massive Inflation. Gold went from around $20 per ounce to $800 an ounce. If we were still using the 1930 $20 gold coin as currency, it would contain only 2.5% gold. Yes, the other 97.5% would have been replaced by base metal. Some currency debasement, huh.
Your definition doesn't matter, my definition doesn't matter. It's what economists use that matters because they are the ones running the statstics on what percentage of economy is service industry. Frankly, the line is quite arbitrary. They classify custom manufacturing as service industry. The most profitable part of mufacturing is service industry.
There is no guarantee in real life. Whenever guarantees are introduced, they lead to new market externalities. For example, in the socialist/communist countries, governments indeed guaranteed high paying jobs for college graduates. Guess what resulted? Students worked their butts off to get a slot on the college admission, then completely goofed off for 4-5 years. Obviously, little real research was done in their universities by such an unmotivated environment. And government could only fulfill the guarantee with some desk jobs that pays more than the average local salary but still peanuts compared to our income because productivity is low. That's why the most talented students the world over come to the US, where there is no guarantee after graduation at all.
Lack of guarantee is what keep people motivated in their endeavors; that includes education.
What's there to disagree? Standard of living will improve because people have less choice? That makes no sense.
The american people have less of a domestic choice since the small business here trying to compete will either be bought or ran out of business. This "effect" you obviously don't take in account for.
Not sure why "illegal alien" is even brought in here as a whipping boy. If you want the government to guarantee a set of services that no citizens are willing to provide, guess what are the solutions:
(1) the socialist service guarantees is abrogated; (2) some citizens are chain-ganged into doing it; (3) create a second-class citizen who will render the service but do not get to enjoy it. i.e. semi-slaves.
You take what I said to the far end of the spectrum with your "semi-slave" comment. How bout paying a wage that citizens would be willing to do that job for instead of relying on as you say semi-slaves "illegal aliens" to do the job cheap so you can stick the extra money you made in your pocket.
A very simple question is, if you enjoy the dollar meal at McD's, would you like to go to a smelly bathroom or would you like to clean it yourself if you want to ban the cheap labor.
I did clean the bathroom when I worked at Mickey D's in College. I also don't see "semi-slaves" doing those awful jobs at fast food restarunts. There is crappy jobs americans will do including white men like me for poverty wages. However don't ask us to make a living at it without help from somewhere i.e. parents, government, etc
Rock, you really gotta stop reading alternate history
The "perfect balance" between unionism and capitalism from 1930 through 1980 worked out to be something like this:
(1) No major new viable domestic automaker founded, whereas thousdands were born in the decades before;
Studebaker, Packard, DeLorean, were founded and yes all went under. Which new american automobile company's have been founded since the 1980's ??????
I think I proven my point that it was much easier back in those days to start a car company than it is today because the market wasn't corner stoned by several large foreign firms.
2) Existing automakers underwent massive consolidation, until we have only three main choices;
(3) Quality went to complete crap after the sons of the first-generation union workers who retained some work ethics from pre-union days took over from their dads;
(4) Massive Inflation. Gold went from around $20 per ounce to $800 an ounce. If we were still using the 1930 $20 gold coin as currency, it would contain only 2.5% gold. Yes, the other 97.5% would have been replaced by base metal. Some currency debasement, huh.
You call that "a perfect balance"??
Holy cow you sure like to use Gold prices and blame union workers very often as to why the market went to crap. I've definetly have never met anyone like you brightness that has such a anti-union passion inside his body :surprise:
Well president Bush wanted to classify the manufactor of Hamburgers at McDonalds as manufactoring jobs to give his job creation in manufactoring numbers a boost.
I guess the media tends to report manufactoring more along the lines I listed. :P
The american people have less of a domestic choice since the small business here trying to compete will either be bought or ran out of business. This "effect" you obviously don't take in account for.
The Union in cahoots with GM had long cleaned the domestic automaking landscape of any small competitor long before any important became an issue.
How bout paying a wage that citizens would be willing to do that job for instead of relying on as you say semi-slaves "illegal aliens" to do the job cheap so you can stick the extra money you made in your pocket.
What "extra money"? We are talking about service level guaranteed by government. Nurses do not magically appear just because government guaratees healthcare for people. If you are saying government need to pay more, where does that money come from? Tax or inflation, take your pick.
There is crappy jobs americans will do including white men like me for poverty wages. However don't ask us to make a living at it without help from somewhere i.e. parents, government, etc
From parents is none of my business unless I'm the parent. Help from government, that's a different issue altogether. Any help from government to Paul can not escape from robbing Peter. At last check, for every Dollar robbed from Peter, 13 cents actually gets to Paul.
There is no guarantee in real life. Whenever guarantees are introduced, they lead to new market externalities. For example, in the socialist/communist countries, governments indeed guaranteed high paying jobs for college graduates. Guess what resulted? Students worked their butts off to get a slot on the college admission, then completely goofed off for 4-5 years. Obviously, little real research was done in their universities by such an unmotivated environment. And government could only fulfill the guarantee with some desk jobs that pays more than the average local salary but still peanuts compared to our income because productivity is low. That's why the most talented students the world over come to the US, where there is no guarantee after graduation at all.
Lack of guarantee is what keep people motivated in their endeavors; that includes education.
I often wonder what country your mind is living in China or the United States ????? You seems to parrot a lot of your personal experiences in China, and use them as a generalization for americans. The majority of americans out work other country's 3 to 1. We work like slaves over here in this country. We take little or no breaks from our work on the job. We work weekends, holidays, and many work 12+ hour shifts in factory's or in the office.
The question remains is it all worth it ???? I think being a little more lazy might be overall better for the country because then people might spend time with family and friends instead of working all the time. We have lost alot of values in this country just to make or save a buck and how much further ahead are we then other industrialized nations ?????? On paper were are quite ahead but in reality we aren't ahead very far
you are all over the place, to past the point where you make any sense. The icing on the cake is, "maybe were better off being lazy" as an argument for a socialized healthcare system? I'm pretty sure lazy is the problem of to many union guys at GM. Thanks for making yourself look completely ridiculous.
Studebaker was founded in 1852, that's before the Civil War, as a horse wagon maker. It started making gasoline cars in 1904. First Packard was made in 1899. Both companies were successful carmakers long before the union came along, took over the industry in the early 1930's and eventually killed the two companies. DeLorean lasted about half a decade, made less than 10k cars in its entire existence, and therefore was very much a cautionary tale on how hazardous it was to invest in domestic carmaking as a startup.
Which new american automobile company's have been founded since the 1980's ??????
The union hold on the domestic scene persists. In order to establish a foothold in the North American market, new a new comer has to have an alternative source of inexpensive and high quality labor. American Honda has been a great success story. Honda as a whole sells far more cars in the US than in Japan. So is Subaru America, brought us by a bona fide American entreprener Malcom Bricklin. Hyandai is another success story despite its nearly-fatal beginnings. Obviously the specific foreign companies that accuse of having a choke hold on the US market has failed miserably at keeping out competition, as new comers keep coming.
Holy cow you sure like to use Gold prices and blame union workers very often as to why the market went to crap. I've definetly have never met anyone like you brightness that has such a anti-union passion inside his body
If you are a true believer in liberty, freedom and personal responsbility, the welfare state should disgust you just as much as it disgusts me. Massive debasement of what we hold true, who we are and our pluralistic democratic national heritage is the price we would have to pay for a welfare state sponsored by the union. Frankly, union and higher minimum wage would benefit me personally quite a lot because I pay substantially higher than minimum wage; any raise would just make life more difficult for my competitors who pay less. However, the detriment to everyone in terms of inflation and taxation (through bracket creep) is just too great to even allow any opportunistic selfish short term political gamble to really pay.
The Union in cahoots with GM had long cleaned the domestic automaking landscape of any small competitor long before any important became an issue.
Well if your modern day capitalism is so great it should be sringing up domestic car company's everywhere however I only still see three....Oops two now because Chrysler was bought by the socialist Germans.
What "extra money"? We are talking about service level guaranteed by government. Nurses do not magically appear just because government guaratees healthcare for people. If you are saying government need to pay more, where does that money come from? Tax or inflation, take your pick.
I'll pay the tax to have the service.
From parents is none of my business unless I'm the parent. Help from government, that's a different issue altogether. Any help from government to Paul can not escape from robbing Peter. At last check, for every Dollar robbed from Peter, 13 cents actually gets to Paul.
It's still the best method of government because in the end the service gets done and everybody benefits. Peter is still very rich, even if the robber baron gets a piece.
What did you list? I have no idea why making a hamburger is not manufacturing but if the hamburger is chopped up and put into a can is. Goes to show how ridiculous the line between manufacturing and service industry really is.
We work so hard in this country precisely because there is no guarantees in life.
I often wonder what country your mind is living in China or the United States
Sometimes I do wonder if the US is sliding down the abyss that China went down a long time ago, the trap of sweet socialist dreams that are nightmares in real life with unintended consequences.
Sometimes I do wonder if the US is sliding down the abyss that China went down a long time ago, the trap of sweet socialist dreams that are nightmares in real life with unintended consequences.
I wonder the same about having a totally free unregulated market place where their is no government involvement and employers along with the wealthy turn the poor into personal slaves and they because they have wealth will live like Kings and Lords. I guess that kind of power is the Golden Eutopia for the global pseudo-capitalist and I look at it no differently than being under a communist regime. You can already see the direction this country is headed. you have the "haves and have nots" The same form of government can be found in Russia, China, Cuba, etc etc and I don't think you understand at the end of the day your family will most likely not be in the "haves" category.
I know that is way off the wall like your post but.... :P
Well if your modern day capitalism is so great it should be sringing up domestic car company's everywhere however I only still see three....Oops two now because Chrysler was bought by the socialist Germans
You are wrong again. Freemarket in auto industry means cars and better cars are available and consumer living standards improve because they have better cars in ride in instead of wasting their time pushing to the mechanics shop. What country the maker of the better car nominally belongs to is quite irrelevent. There have been plenty new carmakers entering and exiting the US market thanks to freemarket forces, outside the control of the domestic labor unions. BTW, Benz bought Chrysler in order to escape their own labor union in Germany.
I'll pay the tax to have the service.
Then you shall see neither the money nor the service. Why? Because the only way bureacrats can get more funding is if the service is failing. So guess what the monopolistic public service provider will do? Just like anyone who is capable of optimizing for his own benefit, he will make sure the service fails, and more funding is needed.
It's still the best method of government because in the end the service gets done and everybody benefits. Peter is still very rich, even if the robber baron gets a piece.
You just showed misunderstanding of what "robber baron" is, but in any case, I actually like your implication of calling the government "robber baron" ;-) The problem with your thesis is of course, then instead of focusing on creating that $1 wealth to begin with, the rich Peter will focus his energy on developing skills how to make that 87 cents of every dollar that others make, as that would be a much more profitable endeavor. That would be the end of production increases, the source of rising living standards. Everyone just fight over that 87 cents instead. Pretty much summarizes what happens in a socialist economy.
Why is making bunch of burgers at McD's a service job, but making a bunch of burgers to put inside a box then shipped to a grocery store for sale a manufacturing job? Seems quite arbitrary to me.
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Rocky
I always love the comparisons of the best students from foreign countries with the best students from the US measured on some scale; it gives the IQ 85 media writers so much to crow about. I.e., "US students 21st behind other countries in math on test sponsored by some group." The total output has to be evaluated compared to the total output of the other country and its schools.
I see the comparison just as confused to myself as normal folk as cars and manufacturing and the idea of not having tariffs to protect US against dumping from other countries as occured in the 70s and 80s (and even now). Our problem is the politicians and major businesses control the possibility of tariffs and they're the ones going to benefit from the contributors who want to have a say in what gets or doesn't get a tariff.
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Rocky
President Nixon, the liberal of course, wanted a national health care plan. He may have been right. It is yet another socialist plan, though we already have it for those of certain age, or those which are poor. It may be unnecessary in the future though it may be something to very-very carefully fully examine before execution. They have it in a lot of other industrial countries, but you have to consider just how well it will work here in the USA. Should help the car industry here. Does the good out weight the bad? I believe the issue is coming to light again during the 2008 election race.
-Loren
If you think you could get away with $10 an hour you really don't think very positive about your help :sick:
I hope you don't tell them that. :surprise:
Rocky
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It's the same thing I tell people about becoming as close as possible to a 100% service economy. do you really want all our eggs in one basket in that perspective ????? I sure in the heck don't. :mad:
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(1) It doesn't matter when capitalist making more money either because he would then have to spend the money and raise everyone else' income;
(2) Corruption doesn't matter either, as the corrupt government official then have to spend more money, and raise everyone else' income.
What's really going on here? You are tracking the wrong thing in economics. Living standards is not how much nominal money that one is putting his name to. Living standard is determined by how much goods is available for consumption. That's why we need a system that encourages production. Corruption, unions and other monopolies certainly do not lead to higher levels of production.
Rocky
Rocky
The 3rd world factor is what screwed capatalism up otherwise it works great when country's like ours and Norway trade because we both have similar standards of living and the 3rd world wage doesn't come in to a factor of what goods the consumer will ultimately choose.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
National uniform education system was invented in Germany in the 19th century in order to build a army in the Prussian model. It was an institution for promoting nationalism and militarism; actively promoted as such, and showed the result later in history.
A uniform education system may have certain advantage on subjects that the government want to emphasize, at the expense of fields the government have no clue about that could have potential. The result may be spectacular in established disciplines such as math and science where objective tests are easy to forumlate. However, it does not mean more innovators because innovations usually take place at the boundary of existing disciplines; innovation is quite different from test taking.
Industries in the 19th century promoted public education with standardization because they wanted a supply of uniform workers for manufacturing. Not all that different from army building. Like Jefferson observed early on, industrial manufacturing is a very souless pursuit. The quicker we grow past it the better.
I should make it clear, I do not consider higher math and science scores in standard tests the goal in education. Higher math and science scores in standard tests may indeed provide better position fillers for manufacturing industries, but it's not necessarily what a thriving pluralistic democracy need the most.
Not sure why "illegal alien" is even brought in here as a whipping boy. If you want the government to guarantee a set of services that no citizens are willing to provide, guess what are the solutions:
(1) the socialist service guarantees is abrogated;
(2) some citizens are chain-ganged into doing it;
(3) create a second-class citizen who will render the service but do not get to enjoy it. i.e. semi-slaves.
A very simple question is, if you enjoy the dollar meal at McD's, would you like to go to a smelly bathroom or would you like to clean it yourself if you want to ban the cheap labor.
The "perfect balance" between unionism and capitalism from 1930 through 1980 worked out to be something like this:
(1) No major new viable domestic automaker founded, whereas thousdands were born in the decades before;
(2) Existing automakers underwent massive consolidation, until we have only three main choices;
(3) Quality went to complete crap after the sons of the first-generation union workers who retained some work ethics from pre-union days took over from their dads;
(4) Massive Inflation. Gold went from around $20 per ounce to $800 an ounce. If we were still using the 1930 $20 gold coin as currency, it would contain only 2.5% gold. Yes, the other 97.5% would have been replaced by base metal. Some currency debasement, huh.
You call that "a perfect balance"??
Rocky
Smaller than Civic vehicles and prolly a smaller Hybid
Lack of guarantee is what keep people motivated in their endeavors; that includes education.
The american people have less of a domestic choice since the small business here trying to compete will either be bought or ran out of business. This "effect" you obviously don't take in account for.
Not sure why "illegal alien" is even brought in here as a whipping boy. If you want the government to guarantee a set of services that no citizens are willing to provide, guess what are the solutions:
(1) the socialist service guarantees is abrogated;
(2) some citizens are chain-ganged into doing it;
(3) create a second-class citizen who will render the service but do not get to enjoy it. i.e. semi-slaves.
You take what I said to the far end of the spectrum with your "semi-slave" comment. How bout paying a wage that citizens would be willing to do that job for instead of relying on as you say semi-slaves "illegal aliens" to do the job cheap so you can stick the extra money you made in your pocket.
A very simple question is, if you enjoy the dollar meal at McD's, would you like to go to a smelly bathroom or would you like to clean it yourself if you want to ban the cheap labor.
I did clean the bathroom when I worked at Mickey D's in College. I also don't see "semi-slaves" doing those awful jobs at fast food restarunts. There is crappy jobs americans will do including white men like me for poverty wages. However don't ask us to make a living at it without help from somewhere i.e. parents, government, etc
Rocky
Rock, you may care very little about reality, but reality does matter when it comes to the strength of your argument.
The "perfect balance" between unionism and capitalism from 1930 through 1980 worked out to be something like this:
(1) No major new viable domestic automaker founded, whereas thousdands were born in the decades before;
Studebaker, Packard, DeLorean, were founded and yes all went under. Which new american automobile company's have been founded since the 1980's ??????
I think I proven my point that it was much easier back in those days to start a car company than it is today because the market wasn't corner stoned by several large foreign firms.
2) Existing automakers underwent massive consolidation, until we have only three main choices;
(3) Quality went to complete crap after the sons of the first-generation union workers who retained some work ethics from pre-union days took over from their dads;
(4) Massive Inflation. Gold went from around $20 per ounce to $800 an ounce. If we were still using the 1930 $20 gold coin as currency, it would contain only 2.5% gold. Yes, the other 97.5% would have been replaced by base metal. Some currency debasement, huh.
You call that "a perfect balance"??
Holy cow you sure like to use Gold prices and blame union workers very often as to why the market went to crap. I've definetly have never met anyone like you brightness that has such a anti-union passion inside his body :surprise:
Rocky
I guess the media tends to report manufactoring more along the lines I listed. :P
Rocky
The Union in cahoots with GM had long cleaned the domestic automaking landscape of any small competitor long before any important became an issue.
How bout paying a wage that citizens would be willing to do that job for instead of relying on as you say semi-slaves "illegal aliens" to do the job cheap so you can stick the extra money you made in your pocket.
What "extra money"? We are talking about service level guaranteed by government. Nurses do not magically appear just because government guaratees healthcare for people. If you are saying government need to pay more, where does that money come from? Tax or inflation, take your pick.
There is crappy jobs americans will do including white men like me for poverty wages. However don't ask us to make a living at it without help from somewhere i.e. parents, government, etc
From parents is none of my business unless I'm the parent. Help from government, that's a different issue altogether. Any help from government to Paul can not escape from robbing Peter. At last check, for every Dollar robbed from Peter, 13 cents actually gets to Paul.
Lack of guarantee is what keep people motivated in their endeavors; that includes education.
I often wonder what country your mind is living in China or the United States ????? You seems to parrot a lot of your personal experiences in China, and use them as a generalization for americans. The majority of americans out work other country's 3 to 1. We work like slaves over here in this country. We take little or no breaks from our work on the job. We work weekends, holidays, and many work 12+ hour shifts in factory's or in the office.
The question remains is it all worth it ???? I think being a little more lazy might be overall better for the country because then people might spend time with family and friends instead of working all the time. We have lost alot of values in this country just to make or save a buck and how much further ahead are we then other industrialized nations ?????? On paper were are quite ahead but in reality we aren't ahead very far
Rocky
Didn't I ask which time frame. :P
Enron's capitalization was a bunch of cooked numbers so their goes the strength of your arguement brightness.
Rocky
Which new american automobile company's have been founded since the 1980's ??????
The union hold on the domestic scene persists. In order to establish a foothold in the North American market, new a new comer has to have an alternative source of inexpensive and high quality labor. American Honda has been a great success story. Honda as a whole sells far more cars in the US than in Japan. So is Subaru America, brought us by a bona fide American entreprener Malcom Bricklin. Hyandai is another success story despite its nearly-fatal beginnings. Obviously the specific foreign companies that accuse of having a choke hold on the US market has failed miserably at keeping out competition, as new comers keep coming.
Holy cow you sure like to use Gold prices and blame union workers very often as to why the market went to crap. I've definetly have never met anyone like you brightness that has such a anti-union passion inside his body
If you are a true believer in liberty, freedom and personal responsbility, the welfare state should disgust you just as much as it disgusts me. Massive debasement of what we hold true, who we are and our pluralistic democratic national heritage is the price we would have to pay for a welfare state sponsored by the union. Frankly, union and higher minimum wage would benefit me personally quite a lot because I pay substantially higher than minimum wage; any raise would just make life more difficult for my competitors who pay less. However, the detriment to everyone in terms of inflation and taxation (through bracket creep) is just too great to even allow any opportunistic selfish short term political gamble to really pay.
Well if your modern day capitalism is so great it should be sringing up domestic car company's everywhere however I only still see three....Oops two now because Chrysler was bought by the socialist Germans.
What "extra money"? We are talking about service level guaranteed by government. Nurses do not magically appear just because government guaratees healthcare for people. If you are saying government need to pay more, where does that money come from? Tax or inflation, take your pick.
I'll pay the tax to have the service.
From parents is none of my business unless I'm the parent. Help from government, that's a different issue altogether. Any help from government to Paul can not escape from robbing Peter. At last check, for every Dollar robbed from Peter, 13 cents actually gets to Paul.
It's still the best method of government because in the end the service gets done and everybody benefits. Peter is still very rich, even if the robber baron gets a piece.
Rocky
I often wonder what country your mind is living in China or the United States
Sometimes I do wonder if the US is sliding down the abyss that China went down a long time ago, the trap of sweet socialist dreams that are nightmares in real life with unintended consequences.
Please understand what "capitalization" means.
Rocky
Rocky
I wonder the same about having a totally free unregulated market place where their is no government involvement and employers along with the wealthy turn the poor into personal slaves and they because they have wealth will live like Kings and Lords. I guess that kind of power is the Golden Eutopia for the global pseudo-capitalist and I look at it no differently than being under a communist regime. You can already see the direction this country is headed. you have the "haves and have nots" The same form of government can be found in Russia, China, Cuba, etc etc and I don't think you understand at the end of the day your family will most likely not be in the "haves" category.
I know that is way off the wall like your post but.... :P
Rocky
You are wrong again. Freemarket in auto industry means cars and better cars are available and consumer living standards improve because they have better cars in ride in instead of wasting their time pushing to the mechanics shop. What country the maker of the better car nominally belongs to is quite irrelevent. There have been plenty new carmakers entering and exiting the US market thanks to freemarket forces, outside the control of the domestic labor unions. BTW, Benz bought Chrysler in order to escape their own labor union in Germany.
I'll pay the tax to have the service.
Then you shall see neither the money nor the service. Why? Because the only way bureacrats can get more funding is if the service is failing. So guess what the monopolistic public service provider will do? Just like anyone who is capable of optimizing for his own benefit, he will make sure the service fails, and more funding is needed.
It's still the best method of government because in the end the service gets done and everybody benefits. Peter is still very rich, even if the robber baron gets a piece.
You just showed misunderstanding of what "robber baron" is, but in any case, I actually like your implication of calling the government "robber baron" ;-) The problem with your thesis is of course, then instead of focusing on creating that $1 wealth to begin with, the rich Peter will focus his energy on developing skills how to make that 87 cents of every dollar that others make, as that would be a much more profitable endeavor. That would be the end of production increases, the source of rising living standards. Everyone just fight over that 87 cents instead. Pretty much summarizes what happens in a socialist economy.