Honda Fit

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Isn't black... well, black?
  • dewaltdakotadewaltdakota Member Posts: 364
    Yeah, well... I guess sometimes, ya gotta *see* it to *feel* it. ;)
  • brek1brek1 Member Posts: 19
    I guy I know in Pittsburgh says he's seen two TV commercials for the Fit over the last two days. anyone else see a commercial yet?
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Member Posts: 678
    The brochure lists the base models for Lunar Mist Metallic, Milano Red, and Taffeta White as having beige/black.
    This originally led me to think that two color options are available. However, the Taffeta White on the Sport model says "beige/black or black", and I know the Taffeta White Fit Sport is the only one that has two interior color choices.

    So in the end, there are only two interior colors...beige (a.k.a. beige/black) or black.
    It looks like when they say "beige/black" they are referring to the beige of the upholstery and the darker "gray" of the trim and dashboard:
    image

    Here is a real-life image of a black Canadian model (DX or LX). Nothing externally different from the US base model though.
    image
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    That picture looks nice. Some of the official pictures are taken from such low angles that they look a little squat.

    Just look at the orange picture to the left - ant's eye view.
  • bprendersonbprenderson Member Posts: 99
    Mauicedar,
    Did the Sales Manager mention if it was stated in the owners manual that the FIT could be towed 4-down like the Civic and CRV? Thanks...........
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Thanks for the pics! Here is another pic I found of the black one:

    http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/2201000-2201999/2201516_3_full- .jpg

    And yeah, backy, black is black, but it is hard for me to envision how it looks on a particular car until I see it on that car. Some cars look great in black, some don't.

    That said, having now seen a couple of pictures, I still don't know what I think of it in black. :-)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I guess it's just me then. I had no problems envisioning the Fit in black. And I knew I liked red better, or maybe Lunar Mist. :) I like black more on larger cars, luxury sedan types. But even then I wouldn't get black--upkeep is too much work, shows dirt and scratches too easily.
  • mebmanmebman Member Posts: 100
    I'm still waiting to see the Vivid Blue in person. This is the color that I ordered. Some of the photos look like the blue is a little darker and more conservative and some look a little more wild. I am hoping for a little more conservative when I actually see it.

    The Fit is now in the Port of Houston just waiting transport to the dealers. The dealers however state that they haven’t even gotten pricing yet. Some of the dealers here know that the car is on their doorstep, and some have stated that it wont arrive for a month or so. I think that this car will show up on the lots next week with no brochures, accessories list, or pricing, and nobody knowing what is going on. This whole marketing by college students isn’t working that well. At least in my part of the country no-one including the dealers knows very much about this car. The first time my dealer even heard of the fit was when I ordered one about a month ago. Oh well maybe they will have brochures by the time the redesign comes out in a year or so.

    Here’s to Edmunds’ Inside Line; these boards have put us all in the know more than the folks selling these cars. :shades:
  • micwebmicweb Member Posts: 1,617
    vchiu, this is off topic. A friend in Shanghai who wants to buy a car (she is just getting her drivers license) wants to know what car to buy and how to buy it. I recommended the Fit. But what about the Polo and Aveo, are they any good, and how do purchase prices compare (automatic, aircon)? Can you get a bank loan or dealer financing? What would be a typical down payment, and how many months to pay it off? I'd like to see her in a safer car than local product is at this time. I think the Fit would be especially good for her since she could bring stuff back from departments stores for her family (a tv etc.) whereas the others are just people movers.
  • ansandovansandov Member Posts: 7
    Guys,

    I'm a proud owner of the pretty much first FIT that was sailing through the US highways (Southwest Area at Least) back in November 2005. How??? you must ask. I fell in love with one here in the Border (Juárez, México) and I needed to attend a Wedding at Tucson, AZ.

    Well, let me tell you that after all these Months of driving on different conditions I'm delighted with this little giant to say the least. for the guys thinking on buying it.....GO FOR IT!!!!. You won't regret it.

    I tested several Cars (Toyota, Nissan and VW.) and to be honest with you I didn't expected much of this little beauty (I was going for the redesigned Civic) when I gave it a try. Wow! I was impressed with it, so much that I decided to save myself a few bucks and stay with it (as my first brand new car) and in the future trade in for a Civic or Accord. I'm so satisfied with it that I'm not sure if by 2 years more I would want to trade it in!.

    I will share some Photos of my FIT, feel free to ask

    The Next Photo is right before they release it to me:

    Color: Magnesium

    How CAN I UPOLOAD PICTURES!??....
  • dewaltdakotadewaltdakota Member Posts: 364
    Easiest way to upload pictures? Take advantage of the free area, right here on Edmunds, called CarSpace! There's probably even a link somewhere on the page you're looking at, right now. Since you already have an Edmunds login, you already have access to CarSpace.

    Once you're done uploading (it's really easy, and the site walks you through it), just come back here and tell everyone to check out your album. It will be accessible via http://www.carspace.com/ansandov.

    Wow... that really sounded like an advertisement, didn't it?
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Member Posts: 678
    Interesting that your Fit sounds closer than mine, but I have practically all of the dealer-supplied information I could want.
    Yesterday my dealer gave me the full Fit brochure, the accessory pamphlet, and a pricing proposal that includes MSRP, destination, documentation fee, "fee to State of California", DMV fees, and all applicable taxes. No accessory prices though.

    My dealer was originally told at the Fit dealership test drive that my car would be coming a few days after release (April 20), but I found out yesterday it would be a few days before that. I'm guessing late next week. Not bad considering I’ve waited over 4 years! :P
  • killerpiecekillerpiece Member Posts: 56
    This may be worthless but I thought I would post it anyway... I called N/A Honda today with the intent of finding out what the future of this gen. Fit would be. After completing my background story (don't ask), I received this statement, "Well, I can't guaranty anything, but I don't think there will be any changes to the 2008 model year Fit." She may be ignorant, but who am I to say?

    Killerpiece :shades:
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Nah, it's not just you, Backy. More like it's just me. I'm bad at visualizing things.

    But from the pics, I don't really like the red, white, or blue. Silver is okay but I"m just tired of seeing silver cars everywhere. I like the orange, but you can't get that in the base. So I'm down to the black or the lunar mist, which adds the other variable that the latter has beige seats and trim.
  • droid56droid56 Member Posts: 3
    I can only afford the base Fit which does not include air-con. If my financial situation were to improve a couple of years down the road, will it be possible to have someone install an aftermarket air-con? And, if it is possible, are we talking about something quite expensive?
  • dewaltdakotadewaltdakota Member Posts: 364
    Just to confirm, droid56, you're in Canada, and you're talking about the Fit DX, right? In the USA, we have the Fit (Base) and Fit Sport, both of which come with A/C, standard. Canada has the DX, LX and Sport trim levels, with only the DX not having A/C.
  • droid56droid56 Member Posts: 3
    You're right, dewaltdakota. It's called DX here in Canada.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    For many years, Honda dealers have been able to install Honda A/C units in cars like the base Civics that did not offer A/C. My '85 Civic S didn't have A/C and the dealer popped one in. Dealers will put A/C into the '06 Civic DX, which in the States doesn't have A/C. So I strongly suspect you will be able to get A/C for the Fit DX.
  • droid56droid56 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the prompt answer, backy. I saw the Fit the other day right after checking out the Toyota Yaris. The Fit offers so much more than the Yaris, and if I can add air-con later, it is a car I can see myself driving happily well into old age (I'm pretty old already). And why do I hear the Fit described in my local paper as aimed at young people? Doesn't good gas mileage, great handling, flexible cargo options, and superior Honda reliability make sense for any age group?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Definitely. But I like to think of myself as "young at heart." :)

    I just did some pricing of the Yaris. In the States, comparably equipped to the Fit, the Yaris 4-door is about $1000 more than the Fit. And the Fit has the 5th door and "magic seats." I see long lines for the Fit...
  • cmkcmk Member Posts: 59
    I've been interested in the fit for quite some time, and am wondering a couple things. I need cruise, and I have reservations about aftermarket cruise. The only other thing about the Sport I wouldn't mind is the stereo, since I'll be listening to a lot of music with my iPod.

    I have some questions about the other parts of that package, though...

    1) I don't like the looks of those spoilers (rear or ground). Are they removable, and if so, how do I remove them?

    2) What is the practical application of paddle shifters. If none, can disable them? If I ignore them, will it act as a normal automatic trans?

    3) Where the heck is the sunroof? Does it make any sense for it not to have one?

    4) What does the Apple iPod music link do that the aux input doesn't already?

    5) Any stats on ground clearance?

    6) Are there any advantages (handling or otherwise) to 15" wheels over 14" wheels? Am I gaining anything by upgrading to slightly worse ride and more expensive tires?

    Thanks much for advice.
  • cmkcmk Member Posts: 59
    Oh, and, I've been reading a lot of speculation about a new model in '08 for Japan? Is that confirmed? Are there any concept pics of that floating around?
  • mauicedarmauicedar Member Posts: 34
    No, I didn't ask him. Call Remco, they mention that Honda has been reluctant to certify their cars as towable four wheels down. Remco has years of experience in this field and they are willing to sell you a 50,000 mile warranty if your worried about it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    I can answer a couple of your questions.

    You can ignore the paddle shifters. The transmission will be just like any normal automatic. Just put it in D and go!

    The 15" wheels come with fatter tires. So, they help in handling, AND in filling out the wheel wells much more nicely.

    BTW, I like the spoilers and the ground effects stuff. To me, the base model looks too much like a Chevy Aveo. :sick:
  • slowpedalerslowpedaler Member Posts: 62
    I don't think getting a redesigned Fit in 2 years is a good idea in NA. A new car gets a following, then, while the first owners are still deep in the middle of their payments, it's obsolete. What's the fun in that?

    I think this is going to be a problem for all of these new-to-this-market microboxes. I was reading about possible replacements for the Xb during its first year! The Bb has been around for quite a while in Japan. The Xb has a rabid following in the US now and I don't think there's much enthusiasm for changing it.

    The Versa is probably facing this, too. It is clearly based on the Renault Megane which must be do for a new gen soon. The Versa's Mexican production may solve that problem, though.

    The bottom line for me is I'm interested in the Fit and Versa, but I'm not going to be happy if I come in at the beginning of a production run and still end up with an old car in 2 years.
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    As I understand it, the ipod link has two advantages over the aux input. One, it keeps the iPod charged. Two, it allows you to navigate the iPod with the radio's controls. But that is not as useful as it sounds, because, I believe, the text from the iPod is not displayed on the radio, so you still have to somehow keep the iPod in sight while you're navigating it with the radio buttons. And if your eyes have to be focussed on the iPod anyway, I'm not sure there's any great advantage to not using its own controls. Which might make the link a very expensive car charger.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The Versa is based on the Tiida (actually it is the Tiida), not the Megane.
  • bostonjazzbostonjazz Member Posts: 51
    Hey everyone – just wanted to check in and share some observations after a lack of participating in the forums for a couple of weeks. Having placed one of the first deposits on a Fit / “getting on the waiting list” for the first orders back in January, I’m now withdrawn from the pursuit of this still great, in my opinion, vehicle.

    As I last mentioned, the roof carrying capacity (estimated at 80 lbs based on international versions of the Fit, where I need to support 110+ lbs) was a real concern – I’ll be really curious to see how the Fit performs with a roof rack and kayaks, and when Thule is able to offer the kits to set up a roof rack. I couldn’t tolerate any delay on that into the Spring kayaking season :)

    Realizing that there was uncertainty along this dynamic opened me up to other possibilities. While I have followed and truly championed the Fit since August, I feel, as many of us have to varying degrees, that Honda dropped the ball and missed a number of opportunities with this vehicle that would have made it even more of a “killer app” -

    1) The fuel economy, coming in at ~31/37 automatic remains a disappointment. Considering that much of the driving I at least do would be considered “city,” the 31 metric makes many other vehicles quite competitive. A hybrid Fit would be incredible, so we’ll see about that in the years ahead. Part of this goes back to the “power vs. economy” debate.

    2) Slightly higher than expected MSRP and only 2 trim options. I was never comfortable with having to buy the entire Sport package for many of the options I’d want, and the Sport starts to get up into the $16-17k range, a far cry from the $13,14,15k fully equipped vehicle I was anticipating in the summer. As recently as the Detroit auto show, the $13-14k price range was emphasized, only to see the base *manual* come in at the high end of that range prior to destination fee, and well above it including destination.

    3) Secrecy and late arrival. Even weeks away from the Fit’s arrival in the showroom and more than 2 months after my deposit, very little information was available – including anything on pricing until March 20. It’s finally now trickling out… Honda’s CEO originally promised investors the Fit would arrive in Q1 – which was March, at the latest. For months, I planned a car purchase on that timeline. Perhaps Honda is on a different fiscal year. To some extent, while in the end it was only a matter of weeks, I got sick of waiting – this was exacerbated by the lack of information.

    This is not to criticize the total package – I believe deeply in the Fit’s tremendous value and uniqueness, but just wanted to highlight, as many others on this board have shared the same opinions, that this combination of things really got to me. I could have lived with it, but while it’s a unique issue to me, the roof carrying capacity just pushed me over the edge.

    While I never anticipated even looking at the vehicle, I ended up buying a Scion xB and have been extremely pleased with it. While folks have been comparing the Fit primarily to the xA, the xB is similar and competitive in many ways, its odd form factor aside. I’ve been impressed with its upright seating (like a truck), the no haggle pricing (I wonder if Honda will modify its sales approach in any minor fashion with the Fit), and many other aspects. The city gas mileage is only 1 mpg less (30 vs 31), and I have electronic stability control and a couple of other unique features – out the door with an automatic at a price less than a similarly equipped Fit.

    It’s good to see that Fit comparisons are now possible on comparison sites like Edmunds. I manually ran the numbers and found the xB and Fit to be identical in passenger volume and cargo volume (the XB has 2 cu. Ft. more with the seats folded down). Interestingly, the XB has a full 6 inches more rear legroom.

    I would have liked those magic seats though :), and I still have to applaud Honda on the “safety for everyone” side airbags standard.

    Best of luck to you all with the Fit – I’m going to keep reading here and following the car.
  • georgetgeorget Member Posts: 48
    Congratulations on your new Scion XB! I also appreciate the truck like seating in the XB and the greenhouse like visibility out of all the windows. Also like where the window sills line up with my arm, unlike the Honda Element where I felt like I was sitting deep inside a box.

    Although I am disillusioned by the Fit's gas mileage, I am counting the days when I can see it in person and take it out for a test drive.

    I have already had my kayaks out a few times this year. I have a couple of 9' Old Town Otters that I can throw in the back of my Buck wagon.

    Post some pictures of your kayaks on top of your XB when you get a chance.

    George
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Are you sure the XB has 2 cubic feet more storage? Honda says the Fit has 41.9 cf with the seats folded down. According to Consumer Reports, ths XB is only 33.5. Which isn't to say there couldn't be a misprint.

    The XB was actually the first thing I looked at in my current go-round. I just didn't find it fun to drive, but that's such a personal thing. Conceptually, I like it a lot. Right now I'm leaning toward a Fit, but of course need to drive one first...
  • jpmccormacjpmccormac Member Posts: 98
    I see lots of safety points on the Fit, but one of the worst crashes you can be in (and have no inkling it's coming) is a rear end crash. I've searched around the various Fit sites on safety but I don't see anything about the type of head rest the Fit employs. Head rests are pretty much worthless unless they set properly and are lockable or have an active crash mode. Anyone know what the Fit uses? Thanks.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    CR measures differently than the factory does.
  • mikecaponemikecapone Member Posts: 47
    Yesterday I saw a Fit for the first time (except photos). It was in a parking lot, a gray model.

    I think it looks better in "real life" than on pictures. The interior looked really nice and high quality, and I could totally see myself buying one of those when I finally decide I need a car (might be a couple of years, though).

    With a little, by that time a Fit hybrid will be out..

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/will_honda_prod_1.php

    That would be really cool.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Member Posts: 678
    Actually, Takeo Fukui said in the July 2005 Business Brief, which was the official "It's coming" bulletin for the car, that it would be available in Spring 2006, not the 1st quarter:
    "...and the Japan-made Fit will be introduced to the U.S. and Canada next spring."
    However, I completely agree that Honda's general lack of information is just a bad idea. It turns people away from the car...especially those who have waited a long time.

    Anyway, best of luck with your xB! Very functional design, and quite a useful car.
  • honda411honda411 Member Posts: 2
    The factory ride and drive for the Atlanta area was last week. The list of safety features in the training materials for sales specialists does not include the active head restraints that are found on the other Honda models. The list does include; 4 wheel ABS, electronic brake distribution, side impact door beams, front and rear crumple zones, dual stage front air bags on driver's and passenger's sides, side curtain air bags, driver and front seat passenger side air bags (front passenger seat features Occupant Position Detection System). Features that are conspicuously absent are advanced compatibility engineering and those active head restraints. The crash tests over in Europe performed over the last few years on the Jazz (same as Fit) indicate that it performs very well. Simply search for "Jazz crash test ratings" to see results yourself. Dealers have also been frustrated with the lack of information about this exciting car. The good news is that they are scheduled to be delivered to dealers on 4/20/2006! Just a little more patience everybody, we drove them, it is worth the wait! :shades:
  • gonzo99gonzo99 Member Posts: 9
    This may sound like a stupid question...

    The base Fit and the Sport Fit have 14" and 15" tires respectively. Yet everything I read indicates that the MPG on both is the same. I don't know much about cars - as some of you might have gleaned from my previous postings - but reading this forum gives me the impression that there IS a difference in MPG.

    Any comments? And while you are at it, are 15" wheels safer? Have better handling? etc. Finally - in my ignorance and for some reason I can't explain - I feel I should be leaning toward 15" wheels... but I don't want to pay for the whole Sport package. Any idea on what it would cost to get the 15 inchers? And does it make sense to get them from the dealer?

    Thanx to all.
  • hungarian83hungarian83 Member Posts: 678
    15" wheels can offer better handling, although the turning radius is slightly shorter on the base model with 14". I watched a comparison of 5 B-segment cars on TV and they showed the European market Jazz 1,2i (with identical tires/wheels as the US-market base Fit) performing some pretty daring emergency maneauvers. From a safety, and overall handling perspective they did very well.

    College Hills Honda (hondapreview.com) lists the 15" Sport alloys as a very expensive option, more expensive in fact than the 16" HFP wheels. It would not be worth it to get it from the dealer. Also, the official Honda Fit accessories brochure I have from dealer doesn't list it.
    I'm personally looking into getting some of the 14" alloys from Honda Japan, but if it is too much of a hassle I'm not going to bother.
  • jonniedeejonniedee Member Posts: 111
    the text from the iPod is not displayed on the radio, so you still have to somehow keep the iPod in sight while you're navigating it with the radio buttons

    Ughhh - once AGAIN -Go do some reading at Honda about music link - :mad:

    You load a piece of software that creats verbal commands through your stereo to navigate through your IPod.
    The iPod goes in the glove box - YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT!!! :P
  • cmkcmk Member Posts: 59
    You load a piece of software that creats verbal commands through your stereo to navigate through your IPod.
    The iPod goes in the glove box - YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT!!


    Ok, I found a little more info on the Music Link add-on at this press release. Two hundred and fifty dollars! For a glorified car charger?

    I will use my iPod pretty much exclusively in my car, but I still would have a hard time paying that much for the link-up.

    I can navigate with the iPod's menu, I don't see why it would be that preferable to use the dash controls.
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Sorry, Jonniedee, if that's been addressed before, I didn't see it. My info was just from having seen a description at the dealership, where there was a little note for the link which said "no text display" or something like that, and the dealer didn't say anything more about it, and there was nothing written (or mentioned) about verbal commands.

    In a brief look at the Honda web site, at your prompting, I didn't get much detail, but I didn't spend much time looking. One thing I did find in some web search though was that, for some reason, the link for the fit seems to be about double the price of the one for the Civic, I wonder what that's about?
  • fit_nessfit_ness Member Posts: 58
    Fit uses the same kit (6160) as Civics that do not have Navigation. They are the same price $162.60

    Everything you need to know is contained in the three pdfs on the College Hills site. This is the Civic page:

    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/civicsedan/2006_electronics.htm

    Here's their Fit page showing the same part number, but lacking the pdfs, except for the installation,which is Fit specific:

    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_fit_accessories/index.htm
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Thanks for the info. Manchester Honda shows it at $385, vs. $169.38 for that Civic version as a part. Some confusion there...
  • vchiuvchiu Member Posts: 564
    I would favor 14'' tires against the 15'' for the following reason:

    the larger tires are
    1) more expensive to buy and to replace
    2) Get worn quicker
    3) Tend to be louder because of bigger surface contact with road
    4) more sensitive to aquaplaning effect (don't know if you get my meaning)

    5) 15" rims get damaged/scratched easier,
    6) Ride comfort likely to be compromised

    My experience is that 175 tires are more than enough for this weight of a car. If one wishes to improve handling, one (fuel saving) solution is to overinflate a little.

    the 15" will have handling advantage in curves on dry roads, but the 14" already fare very decently.

    Because of those factors, I see an ovewhelming global advantage to the 14". imho they look nice as well (see previously posted picture)
  • vchiuvchiu Member Posts: 564
    Polo and Aveo are locally made as well. If reliability was taken into account, I would rather bet on the FIT, but I lack hard data to support my feeling.

    The Polo is sold for about 158K RMB = 19K+ USD.That is 25% more than the The Polo Engine, although 1.6L, is less powerful than the FIT. Looking at the specs, the Polo demands more money and offers less. I haven't driven any but they seem to be less popular than FIT.

    Chevrolet Aveo : I think this is a rebadged Daewoo. Engine is smaller and less powerful (94 HP) than FIT. Price is a bit lower than Fit 1.3 so it looks like it offer a bit more bang for the bucks. Didn't test drive it. Didn't really thought over it as I consider the Honda being safer in many respects.

    Most cars in China come with A/C. The Automatic will require a 1000 USD premium in average.

    Yes, it is possible to get a loan. look like need to have salary slip handy and pay like 30% in cash+ 36 months instalments. Did not really look into it as I paid ca$$$h

    Fit definitely would be the choice imho. don't regret buying mine.

    Good luck
  • georgetgeorget Member Posts: 48
    Vchiu, Thanks for your postings on the Fit. It's great to see real life "day to day" experience with this car, not just theories. I think that I will go with the 14" wheels as well.
  • anotherscottanotherscott Member Posts: 93
    Ah. Yes, I found on Honda's own web site, they say the Scion xB has 43.4 cubic feet of cargo area, so indeed the Fit has slightly less. I thought the Scion looked a little tight for my needs and was glad the Fit offered what I thought was noticeably more space. Oh well. I may have to look at something larger after all. The Honda site pegs the Matrix at 53.2, and with manual transmission the fuel economy hit isn't quite so bad... but reviews lead me to believe it's not going to be as fun to drive as the Fit will be...

    Does anyone here have actual inside dimensions of the cargo area of the Fit? i.e. -
    * height, from cargo area floor to roof
    * width, between the rear wheel wells
    * depth, from rear hatch to the end of the surface area when the seats are folded down

    ...and for a bonus, for use with long items that can over-hang, how much more depth you can get on the passenger side if you move that seat as far forward as it can go. (I know, you can fold the passenger seat back to horizontal, and have carrying access that is even deeper, but there is a trade-off there, the entire cargo area is no longer flat, so either approach may be better in different circumstances.)
  • randydriverrandydriver Member Posts: 262
    I just saw my first Fit at the Dallas Auto Show yesterday....but they had no window sticker on it. It was funny there was a saleman there by the car and he was swamped by people wanting to know about the car. Does anyone know the mileage for the car...5-speed and automatic.
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    I posted this a while back. Edmunds has info - and it says 31/38 Automatic and 33/38 Maunal.

    Good enough for me. I suspect Honda used the older EPA ratings system and did some last-minute tweaking with the ratios to get it up closer to 40mpg.

    That said, it should drive identical to a base Mini- but with better mileage.
  • cmkcmk Member Posts: 59
    I see this car has SOHC instead of DOHC. What will be the noticible effects/applications of this?
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