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Manufacturer Code GD3867EW
Base Invoice Price $15,391
Base List Price $15,970
Target Price $15,970
Destination Charge + $595
Average Sales Tax and Fees + $911
Gas Guzzler Tax N/A
Consumer Rebate Varies
Total Target Price $17,476
Dealer HoldBack $479
Dealer Advertising Fee 1-3% MSRP (Est)
source: http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/20078/section/pri- cing/type/new/year/2007/make/Honda/model/Fit
and this: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1930685&postid=26982761#26982761
Looks like there are people out there getting it for $15,765 plus tax, including some accessories.
The only reason all the dealers don't charge $1000 over MSRP is the competition from others in its class and pretty soon you are into a low end Civic or SCION Ta (hatchback also). Also, look into a Ford Focus, as I've seen far to many ads around the country for 5000 -6000 off MSRP to ignore.(around $10000-11000) Fit may be better but not that much better.
A price of 16000 with 500 in fees is superior to 16400 price with 200 in fees so get competitive quotes from at least 10 dealers with bottom line prices OTD (tax,fees + price) Do this last week of the month. There really is no other time to buy a new car if you can help it.
Happy Huntin
--jjf
A dealer in the Bay Area is offering the Fit Sport Automatic at:
Selling Price $16,565.00
Tax (CA) 1,454.25
License fee 161.00
Doc fee 55.00
County fee 10.00
State fee 8.75
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Total $18,254.00
Is this a reasonable price? Are the Fits REALLY that hard to come by? I have about 20 dealers in the bay area & they all have at least one or two. Seems like a good selection to me.
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Agreed! I love that they are rare! Everything on order has a down payment on it usually.
But it if you think it is reasonable, otherwise I agree with other poster, find something lessor to buy for less money so you wont mind so much.
This is an awesome car...for me!
> This is an awesome car [etc etc]
I don't think you need to sell Fits to people on this forum. Personally, I'm more interested in finding out about people's buying experiences and prices paid, not the theoretical consumer cost. Let's leave the sales talk to the guys wearing the "full Chicago" (striped sports coat with plaid pants and white shoes).
We simply COLLECT license fees and sent the money to the state.
Doc fees HELP cover some of the administrative payroll, postage and general expense in processing the TONS of paperwork that it takes to insure your car gets properly registered and titled.
Now, some stores charge ridiculous doc fees that are out of line. We charge 35.00.
Now, some stores charge ridiculous doc fees that are out of line.
Gee, the dealer where I bought my Fit charged SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS for their doc fee. I didn't want to pay it, really didn't want to pay it, but you know what? I am a sucker! I wanted the car, and I was tired of dealing with different dealers. They had the lowest price overall of the dealers who'd provided quotes, and my old car was on its last legs, or so I thought. It's hard knowing how badly I got ripped off, so I try not to think about it.
I do love my Fit.
Sorry ISell but the "paperwork" a dealer does doesn't justify this ridiculous fee. As he suggests in the article, I negotiate a lower sale price to compensate.
Then, as now, the DOC fee isn't mandated by law, the amount is. Dealers are free to charge the fee or not as long as everyone pays the same if it is charged and it doesn't exceed $58.48 now ($150 soon), says Jerry Cizek, president of the Chicago Automobile Trade Association, which represents more than 500 Chicagoland dealers and spearheaded the original DOC fee as well as the proposal for an increase.
Bob Loquercio, chairman of the association and an Elgin Toyota, Scion and Hyundai dealer, insists the higher fee is justified.
"The amount of paperwork and people needed to process it have increased. The cost has quadrupled since 1992, but the fee hasn't kept up," he said.
Can't object to a higher fee if it costs $150 to process the paperwork--Loquercio won't say--but wouldn't hiring a staff that can dot and cross faster be a better solution?
Loquercio argues that many dealers, himself included, weren't in business when the DOC fee was adopted and had no say in the amount.
"I became a dealer in 1996. We probably had 10 documents to fill out on each sale then. Now it's more like 40. We've more than doubled our staff because [political] bureaucracy has increased the amount of paperwork to process even the simplest of tasks."
For example, 9/11 adds to the load.
"Dealers have been asked to do more, even checking to make sure they aren't selling to terrorists," said Cizek.
Compliance with the Office of Foreign Assets Control mandates dealers don't do business with "prohibited persons," defined as terrorists or those who support them. A dealer can't sell a car to or even change the oil for a prohibited person.
An office worker has to check the buyer's name against the people and organizations listed on the OFAC Web site with whom dealers can't do business.
There are 262 pages of names, but it only took a couple of minutes to see that there's no Jones, Thompson, Williams and only one Smith (Columbia) on the list.
What really gripes Illinois dealers? In at least 30 states dealers charge $400 to $900 in DOC fees--though anyone charging $900 must be using $100 bills for notepads. So what's wrong, they argue, with those in Illinois charging $150?
Of course, that raises what surely will be the next question dealers ask:
If other states charge from $400 to $900, why is Illinois charging only $150?
Please....
Thanks,
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Some stores charge hundreds of dollars for doc fees.
That certainly impacts "Prices Paid"!
--jjf
What's the problem?
Some stores charge hundreds of dollars for doc fees.
That certainly impacts "Prices Paid"!
I checked my state transfer fees and compared to what dealer was asking. I paid exactly what the state wanted for title and registration transfer.
If you wish to discuss document fees or any other general topic, please feel free to do so in the appropriate forum.
Look! I found one right here: Documentation Fees
Its simple and easy!! Go ahead and try it!!
thanks,
kyfdx
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now that I have got a notice from DMV and it states that the license renew registration fee is $160 - which is more than what I paid for my 1st year...sounds kinda weird to me because the reg. fee should be lower each year as the car gets older... can someone please post their registration fee for the Honda fee (especially license renewing owners)?
By the way, I am in Los Angeles, California
Thanks!
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An easy way for a state to boost revenue is to simply raise license fees a bit.
As a former Californian, I can tell you that CA is especially good at this especially after Prop 13 went through. The money has to come from somewhere.
Maybe Feinstein and Boxer can help?
come on like any of them give a rats [non-permissible content removed] about it.
I've had my Fit for three months, and I'm enjoying it very much. My wife also had a Civic Wagon (1984) but we got rid of it about 10 years ago. If you currently have both a Fit and a Civic Wagon, perhaps you can settle something for us. We recall the driver's seating position in the Civic Wagon being very upright, but we think it had more leg room than in the Fit. Since the wheelbases are identical, and the Fit is about 3" longer overall, it seems that the seating room should be about the same. Of course we're both 23 years older and not as spry, but is that the only reason the Fit seems a little harder to get in and out of?
Thanks for the post. Ten years ago is a long time but I bet that Civic Wagon had a lasting impression. My buddy who just drove away our 1986 Honda Civic Wagon was trilled to get it as a second car. Yes it did have more leg room, and more upright, and was bigger then the fit, even with the same dimensions. I had to do a lot of convincing to get my wife to let that Civic Wagon go but she did mainly for the safety reasons. The all air bags along with the side curtain air bags, the Fit’s performance, you can’t say no to a car that has it all. Like I said in my earlier posts this car is pure fun, with the 5 speed, we are really having a great time and lets not forget the gas milage. Yes, the Fit is a little harder to get in and out of.. My wife thinks the additional safety features, the added door safety supports, forces the fit to have a little less interior space. Good answer, and I’m the engineer!
:surprise:
sorry
--jjf
One more thing make sure you check around if you lose a key. The dealer we bought the car from wanted $160 plus tax for a new key. I went to a dealer on the other side of town and only paid $85 including tax...
Thanks,
mimi
:shades:
The base Fit has been available with a 5-speed automatic since the car's introduction to the U.S. last spring.
Didya get it yet?
You will love it more and more each time you get in to drive it and every time you fill up the tank.
It will be nice knowing you got the car that you wanted.
Especially so since it is a car that will probably run at least another 10-15 years, and you may own it that long and hopefully problem free as it is with Hondas.
Good luck and keep us posted!
Sunnyvale: MSRP + $3000
Stevens Creek: MSRP + $2000
Fremont: MSRP + $1995
It is very frustrating to us who just want to pay MSRP. Also, they are so many hidden fee, like Doc fee, License fee, and the dealers will never tell you the truth until the end. :confuse:
Who live in bay area and get a fair price (or a better dealer) on Honda Fit? Please help us! Thanks!
I was going to get a Matrix, but I hated that there were so many options to choose from that weren't standard, and packages, and I couldn't find one with all I wanted. Plus, the Fit is just nicer, I think.
Fremont (autowest) - MSRP + $500
Fresno - MSRP - $100 (THE BEST)
Capitol - MSRP
Once again.. don't listen to the sales reps. Talk to an internet fleet manager. They will be to the point of what they can do and always ask them to beat other dealers because they love to say "we'll beat any dealer".
The primary problem from the end of Jan. to the middle of February, when I was looking, seemed to be the availability--most dealers didn't even have one Fit. I emailed about 6 near me for quotes and either they said they didn't have them (Capitol Honda), wouldn't give a price (Gilroy & Santa Cruz), ignored my email (Stevens Creek), or wanted way more than MSRP (South Bay Honda in Los Gatos, for instance, wanted $2,000 over). The one dealer who offered MSRP (Autowest Honda in Fremont) didn't even have any in stock.
So I looked through all the inventory on the dealer's web sites and the same problem. Stevens Creek actually had 5 but made me call for the price and then wanted about $1800 over MSRP (and their salesman was very pushy just over the phone). I tried to order one from Autowest in Fremont but the same salesperson I talked to earlier suddenly wanted $1000 over MSRP just to order one.
Even worse, two dealers (Berkeley Honda and some place in Livermore) were listing USED Fits on Autotrader for just under $20,000: that's more than $3,000 over MSRP!! They were very low-mileage cars (between 1 and 2 thousand miles), but...geez!
In frustration, I emailed University Honda in Davis on Sunday, Feb. 18. They called back on 2/19 in the morning and by afternoon the same day had a car for me, in the right color, with the right trim, for MSRP. Turns out they had to trade one of their cars to El Cerrito Honda (just north of Berkeley) to get the Fit I wanted. The car was built in Jan. 2007 and had just been received by the El Cerrito dealership on Friday the 16th.
I drove up to Davis the next day and bought the Fit for MSRP. The salesperson I worked with was just great, very personable, and everything seemed very open and aboveboard. Even no pressure in the finance room. (Added bonus: the license plate frame is probably the best looking dealer-issued one I've ever seen here in the Bay Area.)
The only extra fee charged by University Honda was $65 to have one of their employees go to El Cerrito and drive my Fit back the 60 or so miles to Davis.
I still have the second window sticker that the $%#&*s at El Cerrito Honda had added. They wanted $1495 in "added markup" and also wanted $129 for the wheel locks they installed and $295 for their "propack" of plastic edging around the doors. University Honda just passed on to me the price they had to pay to El Cerrito for these things, which was $50 for the edge guards and $40 for the locks (College Hills Honda has the same locks for $35, so $40 is a good price and well worth it).
Here's the breakdown/recap of what I paid:
$16565 (MSRP)
$65 fee for driving the car about 60 miles to Davis
$50 edge guards
$40 wheel locks
$45 doc fee.
The rest was state-mandated sales tax based upon the county I live in (Santa Clara, so 8.25%/$1383.11), license fee for the state ($160 was the dealership's estimate and what they charged me, but according to the registration card I just got, the state charged them $173), and $8.75 for tire fees. That's it.
I left my old car in Davis overnight (it was a really old car, almost old enough to be in driver's ed itself). Then I took Amtrak back to Davis from San Jose the next day to pick it up. Just sold the old car on Craigslist this weekend. The Fit is a great car, albeit so flashy compared to my old Escort wagon that it's taken some getting used-to.
So, in short, I had to drive 111 miles, but got the exact car I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, without having to wait. Never thought I would be so happy to pay MSRP.
San Leandro Honda was ready to give it to me for MSRP too, the internet sales department was great. The internet sales rep was also very clear that it was MSRP, no dealer accessory BS, or extra fees. She just didn't have any when I was ready to buy.
I literally called 45 dealers in the Bay Area from Marin to Gilroy & as far away as Stockton. The Menlo Park Honda dealer was rude; and most other dealers, like Honda of SF, Berkely & Oakland, were asking $2000-$3000 over MSRP. I told the guy in Oakland I'd come buy it from him that day for MSRP or drive to Davis. He wished me luck on my drive to Davis b/c he wouldn't let it go for MSRP. Unbelievable. :surprise:
Consumers in the Bay Are: STOP PAYING OVER MSRP!
I drove out to Davis last Friday night with my boyfriend & drove off that night with my Blaze Orange Fit Sport Automatic! And I LOVE it!
Here' my deal:
$15,565 MSRP
300 PRO Pack
1,313 CA Sales Tax
55 Doc Fee
177 License/Tire fees
$17,410 Total Cost out-the-door
This forum was helpful with my research. My experience this past week in the LA/Orange County area was that dealers do not have the car in stock. Those that do are adding a lot of additional items to the car at full price. My own research & calling around was the only way I found it. When I did find this one, I dropped everything I was doing and went and picked it up...closed the dealership down at 9:30 pm to secure the car that evening and drove it home. I have to say, it is one "peppy" car! Lots of space inside...you'd never know it was as small as it is.
We bought ours there last summer/early fall right off the truck for MSRP (no add ons) even got them to throw in some floor mats (the Fit ones) and a couple oil changes.
Have just 4k on our BOM AT Sport Fit - and love it!
I'm picking up my Blaze Orange Sport AT tomorrow after nearly a 4-month wait. Paying MSRP, no added accessories, but dealer "fees" of 399.50 will be added. Could be worse. I walked away from another dealer that could have gotten one sooner, but wanted a NON-refundable deposit, and insisted on adding on the 16" tires and fancy wheels, plus other "protective" accessories. The car was at about $19,000 by that time!
Then, hot damn! You did get a GREAT price on that white Sport AT Fit! Congratulations!
Just an idea...
14,445.00 MSRP
1,245.88 Sales Tax New York City
12.50 Waste Tire Fee
10.00 State Inspection Fee
70.00 License Fee
45.00 Dealers Processing Fee
Total Out The Door $15,828.35
My add-ons
I installed all these:
Mud Guards $40.00
New Wheels $380.00 with installation
Fit mats $53.00
Remote entry kit $105.00
Honda Locking Gas cap $36.00
Chrome License Plate Frames $30.00
Chrome exhaust extension $25.00
I don’t remember but I think about another $20.00 in shipping fees.
The remote entry kit came with a warning that a Honda Trained Technician should install this harness. I will say it wasn’t a “walk in the park” but I felt great when it all worked after about three hours of intense electrical work. It reminded me once again “don’t give up your day job”. I want to tell you when I pushed the buttons on the remote and everything worked; now that is, “priceless”.
I did notice two add-ons to the price that I did NOT request: a "security etching" on the windows ($199) and an additional charge for four discounted service visits down the road. I asked that both be removed, and that happened with no problem.
All in all, the experience at Fisher was great. I loved my saleman, who shall remain nameless.
Only thing I will have to get used to: NOT being able to see the hood AT ALL from the driver's seat. I know it's there, and I guess I'll get used to that!
Now to figure out mats, seat covering or cushions, and other accessories....
Just FYI,
Fisher has TWO black Fit Sport AT's on their lot available for purchase, in case anybody is still looking...One is slightly reduced in price due to some minor repair to the roof...
Not being able to see the engine hood is weird at first, but you get a feel for how much room you've got, and I seem to overestimate all the time, but it's a short car so I never stick out of parking spaces.
I got my dealer to throw in some floor mats, the kind that hook to clips installed in the floorboard, but I skipped the clips after two visits to get them installed and no one acknowledging my appointment. They sit on the floor just fine without them.
Enjoy your Fit!