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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge



  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,748
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • "The Murano seems a lot bigger and didn't handle as well (IMO)."

    Well, it is bigger. The CX-7 is a small, cramped toy by comparison. Interesting that the Murano pulled .81 g's in the Car and Driver road test and was described as "the Z of sport-utes." Enjoy your Ford...I mean Mazda.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Enjoy your Ford...I mean Mazda.

    It's fun to poke fun in these forums, I do it a lot. However, CX-7 is no Ford, by any means. It's all Japanese.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I've driven the Murano, which is a nice vehicle, but its a big load when pushed to the limits and there is no way it out handles a CX-7...of course the ignorant ford comment should have been the clue...
  • Iliked the Murano and would have bought that instead of the Cx-7, but couldn't get used to the CVT transmission. The Murano doesn't do much when you step on the gas.
  • sssfegysssfegy Posts: 132
    "cramped toy by comparison"
    "Bigger is always better"!!!LOL
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    ..another Renault owner trying to escape the reality.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,748
    anyone who just quotes some magazine... :sick:
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • I rented a Murano for a long trip a couple weeks ago and it was a real nice ride.I don't see why some say they can't get use to the CVT tranny?It feels fine to me.Really could'nt tell any differnce from a reg transmission.I like the look of the Mazda BUT it's to small for a family of four IMO.I have two small kids and with us all in there it felt crampt.I don't like 4 bangers for that price either.I've sat in the RAV4 V6 Limited and i really like it but leg room was a bit tight for my liking.I'm going to test drive the RAV4 V6 and the Santa Fe today.I don't like the look of the Santa Fe to much but i wanna give it a chance and see how the INT looks and feels.IF i had to pick what i thought was the best for the price i would go with the RAV4 V6 but we'll see how i feel after today
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I don't like 4 bangers for that price either.

    Keep in mind, it's a turbo 4-cyl, with the power of a V6. What's wrong with that?
  • Well MPG seems to be lower than the RAV V6 Plus the 4 has to work much harder than a good V6.I really like the RDX also but the 4 Banger Turbo is a deal breaker for me.I do like the looks of the Mazda but when i factor in room for four and the 4 banger i have to check it off the list.I'm sure for some it's a great choice.I just can't get over the 4 vs V6
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    "the 4 has to work much harder than a good V6"

    That's not quite true. Hitting 11K miles, I've put my CX-7 through it's paces. In 6th gear, doing 70 MPH, the engine is only pushing 2K RPM...compared to my 2004 Santa Fe, 3.5L 6 cylinder, the SF is revving at 3K my 4 banger, turbo, is running quite efficiently, thank you very much.

    Additionally, under hard acceleration, the CX-7 is a pocket rocket. And once again, the engine handles that with relative ease.

    And yes, the CX-7 sucks down the go-juice, like its cool-aid! :P

    Vince aka Mr. CX-7
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    4 has to work much harder than a good V6

    That is not true. That is a notion people cannot get over, and I do not know why. Lack of education on turbo charging, I guess.

    The turbo 4 in the RDX and CX-7 are built to have a turbo, so, the engine is under virtually no strain.

    I will not sit here and try and convince you that what you think is wrong, even though it is. It is a personal choice you have made, and the RAV4 V6 is rather nice. There are plenty of threads that say the RAV4 V6 does not get the mpg that Toyota better read those.
  • From what i've read the V6 gets better MPG that the 4 banger turbo and is MUCH qicker.I do like the looks of the Mazda though.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Sorry but you need to check your performance specs. CX-7 is superior.

    True, the RAV-4 beats CX-7 hands down in the MPG department, but looses out in performance specs, i.e. acceleration /braking/cornering, nav and sound systems, etc.

    All depends on your priorities and preferences. For me, MPG was never a consideration. Styling and performance are tops, in my book! :shades:

    Vince aka Mr. CX-7
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    In general, Mazdas are known more for their zoom-zoom then their MPG. Pretty much all the vehicles in their line-up from the Mazda3 on up are like this. But they're also known for their better handling then either Toyota or Honda.
  • I was'nt aware the Mazda did better than 0-60 in 6.4 seconds.Thats becasue it don't.The Rav V6 has better MPG and is faster.
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    We already have same discussion few weeks back. Please check posts from # 325 on this forum. DEC MT published all performance numbers in this segment to compare.
  • Anybody who does NOT think the turbo-4-cylinder in the CX-7 is more highly stressed needs to think about how difficult it is to engineer piston rings to hold back blowby while allowing a tiny amount of oil to keep the cylinder walls from wearing down, exacerbated by high combustion pressures in a turbo. Also think about how smaller crankshaft main bearing area has to handle lots of horsepower/torque in a small engine compared to a V6. Then think of head gasket design difficulties, partially compensated for by using more bolts, but still a difficult engineering issue over the life of a vehicle. One more: the valves have to take the extra beating of high combustion pressures in the 4-banger. Still not convinced? Time will tell.
  • So, after 60-some-odd years with turbos, you don't think "time has told" yet? ;) You can think of all the technical intricacies you want, but my response would be simple: modern engineering. All the things you mention play a part, but guys have been doing this engine stuff a lo-o-o-ng time. Over the ages, technology improves, engineering gets better, stresses increase, tolerances get tighter. No big whoop. It's all part of getting more power from the same amount of fuel.
  • We did already have this discussion, but it was mostly people (probably me included :blush:) taunting their favorite flavor of CUV with some random spec-sheet numbers being thrown around. There is no question that the RAV4 V6 is quicker than the CX-7 in a straight line (sorry, Vince!). But it is all just numbers... if the butt behind the wheel thinks their CUV is "sporty enough," then it is.
  • And don't forget the 4-banger is either shaking (... and baking -- Ricky Bobby) or working against the balance shaft, adding more stress. Modern engineering helps turbo-4's, to be sure, but the V6's are smoother and also have modern engineering. Go with normally-aspirated V6's in this comparo forum.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    with some random spec-sheet numbers being thrown around...

    Well, no, they are not random! People select numbers to bolster their case. Otherwise, they run the risk of contradicting themselves. ;)

    tidester, host
  • Yup, maybe you're right. You know, it'd be ridiculous to opt for anything but an IRON BLOCK (aluminum is too flimsy and soft) V-12 (V6s aren't perfectly balanced) with a CARBURETOR (electronic fuel injection is not as fail-safe as a good ol' mechanical choke 4-barrel).

    Should we get rid of hydraulic brakes, too? C'mon.
  • Yeah, I'm probably as guilty as the next guy at mixing-and-matching test results from different magazines... Whatever makes the Mazda "turning circle diameter" look the best! :shades:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    And don't forget the 4-banger is either shaking (... and baking -- Ricky Bobby) or working against the balance shaft, adding more stress.

    That is not really true. V6's place the same stress. You are forgetting that all 4 pistons are NOT going in the same direction, at the same time, therefor reducing stress, and add constant power delivery. All engines are designed that way.
  • Does anybody know if the CX-7 4-cylinder actually does have one or two balance shafts? I would think it has to have it, given the extra shaking inherent with that configuration.

    Thing is, if it does have a balance shaft (or two shafts) then internal push/pull stress is set up. Bottom line is that technology can help quite a bit, but a modern 60-degree V-angle V6 is very balanced and even-firing compared to a 4.
  • Ive read some but not all. All i can say is that MISinformation is the WORST information one can look at.

    The facts are, the CX-7 IS NOT a Ford, The Edge is its own iteration of the 7 but completely different

    The FORD is extremely overpriced & overweight. And other than being an iteration of the Mazda, all comparisons to the Ford Edge should end there. They are not the same vehicle, not even close. And if you are going to spend 35k plus on one, short of the "I support America" motive, you need your head examined
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    you need your head examined

    We usually relegate psychoanalysis to other venues.

    but completely different

    I think it would be insane to compare vehicles that were completely the same! ;)

    tidester, host
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    I'm the guy who originally requested that the Edge be added to this discussion group. Purpose of this particular discussion group is to help consumers weigh the similarities, differences, advantanges, disadvantages amongst similar vehicles loosely grouped under a the Crossover Utility Vehicle Category. The CX-7 and Edge have similar underpinnings and in fact, they bear a resemblance to one another, i.e. cousins. Add the Lincoln MKX, since it too is similar. Checkout the Ford website, and you'll see links to Mazda. All one big happy family.

    Vince aka Mr. CX-7 :)
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