I under stand your point and I do agree your time is important. But on the other hand it sound like you think this reflash is some kind of magical fix. That is not true I probley should not say this but the reflash fixes one problem but sometimes creates another if it's not done for the right reasons and may ruin the trans. Mabey this will help you understand a little better. Doing a reflash that only costs the dealer $35 dollars may fix your problem but if it dose not if may cause another problem and even ruin the trans. Now if a dealer dose the reflash without meeting the Toyota specs (recreating the problem) the dealer has to pay for the trans about $5000.00 between parts and labor. Car repair is a business and a possible 5000 dollar loss is big to anyone. I was wondering do you even own a camery with this problem ?? I was also wondering if you had a professional background in automotive repair,design,automotive computer software design ?? If you do own a camery with this problem can you duplicate it your self, because most of the time customers with this trans concern can make it do it all the time. Now as for you disagreeing with my repair practices. I have received many awards from Toyota and the CSI customer surveys award program for fixing cars right the first time. I have also won awards from the Plymouth trouble shooting contest back in my younger years,Moter trend, AC delco,ASE, and many other automotive awards. Oh and yes everyone in my dealer dose it the same way do you want to know why because every Toyota rep in the last 15 years or so asks me to train them this way and because of this we have to highest CSI in the state.
Good Morning 650spx: I own a 2007 V6 Toyota Camry that was purchased in January. It DOES NOT have any of the issues that are posted on these boards. I do alot of driving, so at this point in time, my vehicle has about 11,000 miles. If you research my postings on Edmunds, you will see that I am very interested in this transmission issue. Since you work for a Toyota dealer, kindly enlighten us as to what is going on with regards to the "RPM Flare" on some of these vehicles. Why does one vehicle have the problem, and another vehicle operates "ok"? Have a GREAT day! ----- Best regards. --- Dwayne :shades:
yes, it surely IS the question. this suggests they are compensating for equipment variability (sensors or actuators) via software. if it's possible it could improve the situation, or make the situation worse, you have to wonder about the merits of the reflash.
i think a small number of vehicles have out-of-spec throttle body actuator or sensors, or out-of-spec accelerator assemblies (mechanicals or sensors). then again, it could be a marginal design of the transmission...
but to compensate with software... something isn't adding up, and toyota should come clean.
jack47 said "...That sure is the proverbial $64 question...along with how did Consumer Reports (considering this problem) name the Camry the car of the year...."
Consumer Reports DID NOT NAME the Camry the car of the year. They don't do that.
I had the reflash done on my 2007 Camry V6 on 5/29/07. I had the once after each engine start 3rd-4th slip (flare). It began at about 1200 miles, and at 6800 miles,it had for a time been getting worse. (it began also do it warm, if I idled in Neutral for a few minutes like at a drive up window)
The reflash worked great for about 300 miles. Then one day I left my driveway, and it began all over.
I now have about 1200 miles on the reflash, and at this point, I have the after each engine start or idle in Neutral for a few minutes 3rd-4th slip (flare), and also I now have a new intermittent 2nd-3rd slip (flare)which occurs anytime, and a more intermittent 1st-2nd slip (flare).
I'm now back talking to my Toyota dealer, and they're waiting to hear from Toyota about our next step.
I also have a camcorder and filmed my 3rd-4th slips (flares) to document it for them.
I have a 2007 Camry XLE V-6 and received no notice. Starting yesterday I noticed my air bag light on my dash is no longer lit (i'm assuming it means it's not activated when the light is off). It used to stay on all the time when I was driving the car. Does this mean my airbags aren't functioning?
Who and where is the class action lawsuit? I have hated my camry sense day one The car hesitates and the cruise control is erratic .I have had my dash removed for rattles all 4 rotors replaced it get poor gas mileage. The most recent problem there's a popping noise in the rear when you go over uneven pavement. I went thew the arbritation with Toyota and lost Now Toyota wont even talk to me. The dealer is no help. I call the customer care center they put me on hold. I am going to sell this car and never buy a Toyota again. Very dissapointed with Toyota.
Hello Foxwood, thanks for posting your issues with your car. I have the Camry v-6 SE and have the exact same problems and also lost in arbritration. I have the rpm flare on video and Toyota does not want to address the issue. Continue to talk this up and maybe Toyota will give us justice. I haven't heard of any class action yet but count be in. This Toyota Camry has been nothing but troubles. Toyota if you are reading these post please do the right thing. Please admit that the RPM Flare is not normal! Also can someone answer the Big question toyata dose'nt want to? Why do some Camrys have the RPM Flare and others don't. Now thats' not normal!!!
I would not say no to the the issues My 2002 Camry was great no hesitaton no downshift on the highway with cruise on All i hear from TOYOTA its normal operation the way the car was designed to operate.I think not. Any how I am going to sell the car at a loss I am done with the stess of it I hate the car and TOYOTA never again give them any of my money
Which airbag light are you talking about: the red warning light in the instrument cluster or the amber on/off ones in the center of the dash?
The red warning light should only illuminate for about 5 seconds after you turn on the ignition and then go out. If the red light never comes on, you have a problem and should see the dealer.
The amber on/off lights are for the passenger frontal airbag only. If the passenger seat is empty, these will also illuminate for 5 seconds after you turn on the ignition, and then go out.
If there is an adult sitting on the seat, the "on" light will remain illuminated. If there is a child or heavy briefcase (for example) on the seat, the "off" light will remain illuminated.
I bought my used 2007 XLE w/ 13,000+ miles on it May 20th, 2007. After a few days of driving I noticed the hesitation problem and realized I should have kept my 2000 LE that I had just traded in.
I read all the reviews I could find on the new Camry before making up my mind to go for it. Not one mention of any hesitation or quality issues in any one of them. Especially, Consumer Reports and Motor Trend. But, when I Googled 'Camry Hesitation Problems'... lo, and behold there were tons of complaints. Thanks to those on this forum that gave TSB EG056R-06 as a possible fix. When I first contacted my service advisor he told me "That's just the way it drives and then he went on to tell me about the drive-by-wire feature." The second time I called he said, they (Toyota engineers), are locked in a room trying to come up with a fix and to wait. The third time I called I gave him the TSB # and he said it was a temporary fix at best and to still wait. I said I didn't feel safe driving it like it was with the herky jerky shifting and then he said okay, bring it in and he'd do the ECM flash. Well, they had my car for 2 days - Gave me a loaner for free and did the ECM flash. They also replaced my overhead map light console, which had a loose driver-side switch and they tried to fix an annoying ticking sound coming from the driver side window. Sounded like it was loose in the track because it would go away when pressure was applied or if it was rolled down slightly.
To sum up... the TSB flash did definitely help the Camry's confused shifting issue however, it still doesn't respond like I'd like during a rolling stop or when the need for sudden acceleration arises. Gas mileage went from approx. 25 mpg city to 24 mpg city. The ticking sound has only returned twice in the 18 days since where before it was constant and the map-light was fixed perfectly. There is however, still a rattle near the center of the windshield near the rear-view mirror and map light console that I can't seem to isolate. I found another TSB related to a windshield rattle, so that might be in my future. Otherwise, I love the look and feel of this car. The radio/CD is much better than my 2000 LE. The bluetooth works fine with my LG-8300 Verizon phone but I wish it were full duplex. It's more like a walkie-talkie where you have to wait for the other person to finish talking. The sound quality is great, though. Seats are very comfortable and the ride is smooth and quiet. I still have not tried a road trip to the mountains to check it's climbing ability and check the cruise control. I have read on this forum of issues with that. My 2000 Camry never had a problem uphill or downhill or with the cruise control.
My 2007 Camry was made in Kentucky. My 2000 Camry was made in Japan. Maybe that says it all with regards to the quality. Also, my wife has a 2003 Japan built RAV4 with no problems. I probably should have held on to my 2000 LE a little longer but I'm hopeful Toyota will come up with a permanent fix for the transmission/ECM problem. I've put on approximately 200 miles and the temporary fix is still holding. At least it's safer to drive now and a little more fun. I will continue to monitor these forums and will keep you posted.
It's be interesting to talk to the original owner and see if that's why they traded the car in so early--13000 miles. Or maybe it was a buyback. If the dealer didn't disclose buyback is that a violation of a legal requirement?
I'd be working on getting the original owner's name...
I bought the new Camry 2.0 version recently and i face the same steering problem. I keep fighting with the steering to maintain a steady drive especially on roads that are not 100% smooth. I tried to escalate the issue to the lead technician here in the Bangkok dealership and he test drove the vehicle. His comments were that the new Camry behaves in this manner and that its normal. I am not sure if i need to live with this problem. Is there a solution? The Toyota customer care is of no help.
it would be inaccurate to say a tight suspension causes you to move around on the road.
more than likely, your problem is related to (in order of probability): over-inflated tires over-boosted power steering loose linkage somewhere tire tread design / road surface (grooving) extreme cross-wind conditions
take it to a specialist dealing with toyotas if you dont have another toyota dealership in your area.
I have a camry 07 LE(not a V6) that I got last year in July. Since then I have been having this lagging issue and I didnt give it a serious thought. Now it is irritating and when googling around, I found this forum.
I have seen that there is a TSB EG056R-06 for this. My car was pre-built to this TSB and hence I think the dealer should apply this fix.
Should it be 100% reproducable for the dealer to apply this fix or do you think he will apply it if I take a copy of the TSB and my how him my VIN number ?
Sorry I guess I didn't make myself clear on that. I was talking about the amber on/off one's in the center of the dash. I noticed when I first got my car that amber on/off light would remain lit even if there was no one sitting in the passenger's seat. I didn't think anything about it until recently when I noticed the light was off. I spoke to a Toyota Service Manager and they told me the exact same thing you said. If nobody is sitting in the passenger seat the light will not be illuminated until someone sits there and then it lights up. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.
I just gave them my VIN# and a copy of the TSB. Trust me, they know about the lagging issue. I did not have to go on a test drive or have them reproduce it. The TSB fix is still working for me. It's not perfect, but it's better than it was. Good Luck!
So Toyota knew about the acceleration hesitation even before September29, 2006 since TSB EG056R-06 for fixing the problem was issued on that date. Why is it in the year 2007 many 2007 Camry 4cyLE owners were still complaining that Toyota told them the transmission was normal or that it was a learning transmission that required no fixing? Why is it that Toyota still covering the problem on another website and falsely accuse the complainants as liars working for American car dealerships? This is adding insults to injuries to those people affected by the problem including myself many of whom were former loyal Toyota customers. daus, congratulations for lucky enough to get hold of the TSB and have the problem fixed. But not every owner of the defective Camry has the ability to search the internet and lucky enough to come across the Technical service Bulletin for fixing the problem. Lately, there was a complaint on another website in which the 2007 Camry 4cyLE owner said his/her family was almost killed in an accident because of the lag problem. Did Toyota contact every owner of the defective Camry by mail to inform them of the TSB as it should have done? Obviously not. I have no doubt that there are still a lot of defective 2007 Camry owners out there languishing over the problem which may someday cause them to be in an accident. I think a class action lawsuit against Toyota for knowingly jeopardizing the lives of the affected customers by failing to recall the vehicles to be fix after the issue of the TSB on September 29, 2006 is very appropriate. :mad:
>Why is it that Toyota still covering the problem on another website and falsely accuse the complainants as liars working for American car dealerships?
HI a tsb is not a recall. The tsb is put out to help toyota dealer techs repair customers problems faster for common problems but not all cars fall into the tsb or even apply for the tsb. If all car makers put out tsb letters to all there customers there would be no cars on the road because every car on the road has atleast 5 tsb's.
This lagging issue happen much earlier. It affected "some" of the earlier model. See my previous post on this problem with my 2005 Camry. It is sad to see that newer model 2007 is still plague with the same problem.
What you say is essential true, but no customer of 2007 Camry 4cy LE during complaint should have been told by the dealership that the lagging is normal after September 29, 2006 on which the TSB was issued. But obviously, that is not the case.
It's been over a year since this thread started. I think its time for more updates from Camry owners. Also, any recent Camry buyers around? Anybody know the current status as far as transmission is concerned? Any tranny failures or slipping? Please indicate the Manufacture Date and if its V4 or V6. Do you think Toyota fixed the problem with recently built models? Thanks.
I had my transmission on my 6cyl 2007 Camry replaced at 13000 miles due to rpm flare. At 19000 miles my new transmission starting showing the same problem. A dealership (not where I bought the car) noted a problem during inspection and recommended I take it to my dealer. My dealer said they could not recreate the problem. Admittedly the weather had changed to warmer weather and the problem was not as succinct but it was there. I was fed up, tired and felt unsafe in the car. Even though I loved everything else about the car I wanted out!. The dealer manager basically talked me into a trade in instead of the reporting to corporate route. Since I was tired of arguing and wanted it over, I traded it in for a 2007 highlander. They gave me retail on my camry and small deals on extended warranties and such to make me feel better. The highlander has been great so far at 3500 miles but they still made even more money off of me in the end. Don't by a 6cyl Camry! :lemon: I see less and less 6cyl on the road(dual exhaust) my guess is folks are dumping them like I did.
I have a Camry LE (built May/2007) that I purchased in June. No issues other than regretting not buying the 6cyl. More power and little compromise in gas mileage. I had a 2004 Honda Accord 4cyl. that was more "peppy" than the Toyota. IMO Honda makes the best 4cyl. and Toyota makes a economical 6cyl. Love the Camry - a comfortable ride for a good price.
I just test drove a 2007 4 cylinder corolla. My wife noticed that problem right away. She punched the accelerator and the car hesisitated for what seemed like 3 seconds. The salesman said it was the computer decidung on how you are driving? I've read numerous posts about this vehicle on msn. Out of 200 25 reported transmission issues 20 reported acceleration issues. And alot stated Toyotas quality has gone down. Of course there were several posts happy with the car. Right now it looks like this car will not be on our final list for purchase. Any thoughts?
Good afternoon troj128: I own a 2007 V6 XLE Toyota Camry that was purchased in January 2007. While I am sure that there are units that have a problem, my Camry has been trouble free since I purchased it! It now has 11,500 miles on the "clock"! This vehicle is serviced every 2,500 miles by the selling dealer. (My choice!) I plan on keeping this vehicle for three years, and then trading it for possibly another Toyota! (The vehicle will have about 66,000 miles on the clock at that point in time!) Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades:
I don't own a camry, but my parents recently purchased a 4 cylinder automatic 2007 camry LE in June 2007. The build date was April 2007. When I drove it, I noticed the downshifting like braking at 30 to 40 mph when you let your foot off the gas. A little annoying to me. I never tried to stand on the gas, so I can't comment about the throttle lag issue.
I'd say Toyota hasn't applied the "fix" to all the recent builds.
I have none of these problems. Your results may vary (car built Friday afternoon vs. Tuesday). Like medical issues -if you are really looking for problems you will likely find some. I do regret not buying the 6cylinder. More power and minor difference in fuel mileage. I was thickheaded about not exceeding my self imposed budget for my commuter.
I wouldn't beat yourself too badly. I'm perfectly happy with my '04 and '05 Camry 4-cylinders. There's more than enough power for what you really need. Plus I bet there's a bigger real-world difference in fuel economy between the new V6 and the current 4-cylinder, especially if you like to step on the "go" pedal.
I have the V-6 SE camry I've owned it for 1 year. I've had the valve body and trans replaced and still have the rpm flare problem. It's been nothing but frustration trying to get this resolved with thr dealership and Toyota. I would not recommend a camy until Toyota admits the problems and fixes them. I can't wait till the day I get out of this car!
Good Morning to All: As a 2007 Camry V6 XLE owner, I am very concerned about the quality of the product, and the problems that are associated with the product as listed on this board. I guess, I am one of the "lucky ones" in that my vehicle, (for some reason), does not have the "issues" that are talked about on this site, or that my driving style does not allow these symtoms to surface! That does not mean that the problems do not exist, but rather, my unit simply does not have these issues at this point in time. Thank God! These conditions are not only hurting the owners with the problems, but they are also hurting the owners with vehicles that DO NOT have the problems in terms of resale value, (when it comes times to trade in the vehicle at the dealership.) Even though my vehicle DOES NOT HAVE the issues, once the problems with this vehicle become known, the value of the vehicle, (as a used vehicle), will drop! So, when you consider this fact, each one of us, who purchased this expensive vehicle, is being hurt financially by these operational issues.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? We as customers of Toyota, can continue to post our dissatisfaction with the product, and share the information that we have managed to gather on the subject,(and there is nothing wrong with this "action"), but don't you just wonder, why no official representative from Toyota is willing to discuss this "transmission operational issue" with the owners of the problem vehicles on this board? I am sure that "Toyota People" monitor this board, and they know that this issue is stating to "fester" similar to the "sludge issue" of past years. The solution to this issue is simple! If the symptoms of the transmission operation are "normal," explain the "principles of operation" to the public, so that they know that there is no problem with the unit. On the other hand, if there is a problem with the operation of the unit, get the necessary information to the customer base, and solve the problem before it get "blown out of proportion"! Best regards. ----- Dwyane :shades: :confuse:
Nicely said, like you mention I hope that Toyota is listing and making a statement about the issue. I email them this week and I have heard anything back from them. I have own 3 different toyota cars 96 camry, 2001 Rav4 and 06 4Runner and I am looking at the camry as an additional car to the family, I hope that my decision of trusting toyota by buying the car is not one that I will regret in the future.
Good Morning Chuck28 & Idelgado89: Thank you for your support of my comments. On the Edmund's transmission board there is a posting by Nathan118 #308 that lists a site "2007 Camry NHTSA ODI Complaints." I "clicked on this site," and I became very well educated about the transmission issue. It seems that the 4 cylinder version of the Camry has most of the problems, although, there are a few 6 cylinder Camrys that are listed on this site. One person complained that the engine "vibrated" and then "stalled" when it came to a stop at a traffic light.-------- (A torque converter that does not un-lock would cause the engine to stall).------- If you remember my earlier postings on this subject, I felt that the transmission issue was NOT in the transmission itself, but rather in the "Torque Converter" of the transmission. There is a "lock-up feature" in every torque converter. When most vehicles are in "high gear", (5th or 6th), the torque converter "locks-up," and the vehicle behaves similiar to a standard transmission vehicle with a friction clutch. When the brake is applied, the "lock-up feature" of the torque converter releases, and as the vehicle slows down to a stop, the transmission "down shifts" to first gear at a complete stop. Since I do not have access to a "power flow chart of the Camry trasmission" I do not know what components are "on" and "off" in the unit on "acceleration through each gears" or "deceleration down the gears". It is very possible that the Toyota transmission is designed to have a "lock-up function" in each gear to get fuel economy! If the torque converter was locked-up in 4th gear, and the driver pressed "hard" on the accelerator forcing a "down shift to 3rd", the torque converter would first have to come out of "lock-up," and then down shift, and then the engine would have to accelerate! Here could be the problem in the unit! There is a component in the torque converter that is know as the "stator". This unit redirects the trans fluid from the "drive member of the torque converter" to the "driven member of the torque converter". This causes "torque multiplication"! (The old fluid coupling cars of the 50's did not have a "stator," and that is why they had poor fuel mileage and slow acceleration). When the torque converter is "locked-up", the stator is "free wheeling on it's shaft"! When a forced down shift occurs, the torque converter has to un-lock and the stator has to lock-up to redirect the fluid for torque multiplication, and the engine must then accelerate! I feel that the RPM flare is the result of the time that it takes for the "free wheeling stator to stop and lock up," (in the torque converter unit), in order to re-direct trans fluid and multiply torque! For a brief period of time, the torque converter is acting like an old fluid coupling of the 50's, because the stator is not functioning. One posting stated that the driver smelled "hot oil". This could be consistent with overheating the fluid of the torque converter. If the problem was in the transmission itself, the "clutches" and / or "bands" would be burned in a very short time and the vehicle would not move! I belive that the problem is in the torque converter and the software that controls the lock-up of the torque converter and the "down-shift" process. The "drive by wire" system just compounds the problem, because there is a slight lag in the acceleration process, and when the "drive train kicks in" the situation on the road has changed, and the acceleration is no longer appropriate! Best regards. ----- Dwyane :shades:
I didn't read your entire post, but I do know from reading those "complaints" on the ODI file that you have to take SOME with a grain of salt.
It's always the car at fault, never the driver. (Some are so laughable, not necessarily for the Camry, but for other cars where consumers claim things that are simply not possible -- like the car taking off at full blast when the driver claims he/she had their foot firmly planted on the brake pedal.)
Apparently you have never expereinced a situation wherein the carpet found itself over the gas pedal but still behind the brake pedal, the harder you brake the more the engine ROARS.
No this hasn't happened to me, but regardless, all modern cars generate enough brake torque at the wheels to prevent the vehicle from accelerating. Also, today's cars have those little retention hooks on the OEM floor mats intended to keep the mats from slipping out of place.
I have had the situation while braking for stop when the right edge of my boot caught the gas pedal, so I did get some engine roar. Of course, with a manual transmission, this was not a problem since depressing the clutch cuts off power to the drive wheels.
barronc, Just because the front passenger airbag on/of light changed from abnormal working condition back to normal by itself doesn't mean the front passenger air bag assembly is now in normal working condition. Did the Toyota dealership check the weight sensor of the front passenger airbag of your 2007 Camry to see what was wrong with it or did they just assume that the weight sensor somehow miraculously returned to normal by itself and sent you away without knowing the possible danger lurking in the passenger side airbag of yours?
Let me explain why there is likely to be danger in your front passenger airbag. When airbags were first installed on the passenger side at the front, they deployed with the full blast as the one on the driver’s side when a severe front collision occurred. Then they found out that a lot of young children suffered severe head injuries by the exploding airbags, sometimes at low speed collisions, and there was a case that the head of a baby’s head being blown off from the body.
Now a lot of car manufacturers are installing advanced front passenger airbag that is linked to a weight sensor on the passenger seat at the front. Normally if the passenger is over a certain weight, the passenger airbag will deploy with full blast in a front collision.. If the passenger is under certain weight, say the weight of a small child or baby, the airbag will not deploy or deploy with reduced force in the more advanced ones..
The fact that the front passenger airbag on light in your new 2007 Camry remained on even when there was no one sitting there means the weight sensor on that seat was out of order or calibrated to the wrong weight or a combination of the two. So during that time if you put a small child on the passenger seat with seat belt on or a baby in a car seat, the weight sensor would tell the airbag trigger mechanism that it was an adult. The airbag would deploy with full blast and endanger the life of the small child or baby if there had been an accident.
You said now the light is off when nobody is sitting there but this doesn’t mean it has returned to normal. It could mean that the weight sensor in your Camry was poor in quality so that it fluctuates. Say if the airbag is supposed to be deactivated at 70 pounds or below ( I’m not sure about the actual figure), now it fluctuates to sensing an empty seat as 75 pounds, so the light is off. Now if you put a 60 pound child there, the sensor would activate the airbag on light even though it is supposed to be off because the sensor tell the trigger mechanism that the weight is 145 pounds. This would endanger the life the 60 pound child you put on the front passenger seat without knowing it.
This is what I suggest you do. 1/Check the manual or ask Toyota what the maximum weight of a passenger on the front passenger seat is to have the airbag light off. 2/ Put someone and something there in addition if necessary to check if it is accurate.. 3/ If there is a minor discrepancy, check if it falls within the tolerated range. Even if it appears to be normal now, you should still ask Toyota to check it to see why it malfunctioned when you first got the Camry. 4/ If there is a big discrepancy, say the airbag light is on when the child is way below the maximum weight mentioned, then the weight sensor in the front passenger airbag assembly is defective and would endanger the life of a small child or infant on that seat and you must go to Toyota to have the sensor repaired
Oh! By the way, Please tell us about your test result especially when the weight sensor is found to malfunction. You might help to save the lives of the kids of some 2007 Camry owners who have the same problem without knowing about it.
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parts and labor. Car repair is a business and a possible 5000 dollar loss is big to anyone. I was wondering do you even own a camery with this problem ?? I was also wondering if you had a professional background in automotive repair,design,automotive computer software design ?? If you do own a camery with this problem can you duplicate it your self, because most of the time customers with this trans concern can make it do it all the time. Now as for you disagreeing with my repair practices. I have received many awards from Toyota and the CSI customer surveys award program for fixing cars right the first time. I have also won awards from the Plymouth trouble shooting contest back in my younger years,Moter trend, AC delco,ASE, and many other automotive awards. Oh and yes everyone in my dealer dose it the same way do you want to know why because every Toyota rep in the last 15 years or so asks me to train them this way and because of this we have to highest CSI in the state.
I own a 2007 V6 Toyota Camry that was purchased in January. It DOES NOT have any of the issues that are posted on these boards. I do alot of driving, so at this point in time, my vehicle has about 11,000 miles. If you research my postings on Edmunds, you will see that I am very interested in this transmission issue. Since you work for a Toyota dealer, kindly enlighten us as to what is going on with regards to the "RPM Flare" on some of these vehicles. Why does one vehicle have the problem, and another vehicle operates "ok"?
Have a GREAT day! ----- Best regards. --- Dwayne :shades:
That sure is the proverbial $64 question...along with how did Consumer Reports (considering this problem) name the Camry the car of the year.
i think a small number of vehicles have out-of-spec throttle body actuator or sensors, or out-of-spec accelerator assemblies (mechanicals or sensors). then again, it could be a marginal design of the transmission...
but to compensate with software... something isn't adding up, and toyota should come clean.
Consumer Reports DID NOT NAME the Camry the car of the year. They don't do that.
I had the once after each engine start 3rd-4th slip (flare).
It began at about 1200 miles, and at 6800 miles,it had for a time been getting worse.
(it began also do it warm, if I idled in Neutral for a few minutes like at a drive up window)
The reflash worked great for about 300 miles.
Then one day I left my driveway, and it began all over.
I now have about 1200 miles on the reflash, and at this point, I have the after each engine start or idle in Neutral for a few minutes 3rd-4th slip (flare), and also I now have a new intermittent 2nd-3rd slip (flare)which occurs anytime, and a more intermittent 1st-2nd slip (flare).
I'm now back talking to my Toyota dealer, and they're waiting to hear from Toyota about our next step.
I also have a camcorder and filmed my 3rd-4th slips (flares) to document it for them.
Will report what happens.
I have hated my camry sense day one The car hesitates and the cruise control is erratic .I have had my dash removed for rattles all 4 rotors replaced it get poor gas mileage. The most recent problem there's a popping noise in the rear when you go over uneven pavement. I went thew the arbritation with Toyota and lost
Now Toyota wont even talk to me. The dealer is no help. I call the customer care center they put me on hold. I am going to sell this car and never buy a Toyota again.
Very dissapointed with Toyota.
Please reply if there is a lawsuit.
Continue to talk this up and maybe Toyota will give us justice.
I haven't heard of any class action yet but count be in.
This Toyota Camry has been nothing but troubles.
Toyota if you are reading these post please do the right thing. Please admit that the RPM Flare is not normal!
Also can someone answer the Big question toyata dose'nt want to? Why do some Camrys have the RPM Flare and others don't. Now thats' not normal!!!
Any how I am going to sell the car at a loss I am done with the stess of it I hate the car and TOYOTA
never again give them any of my money
The red warning light should only illuminate for about 5 seconds after you turn on the ignition and then go out. If the red light never comes on, you have a problem and should see the dealer.
The amber on/off lights are for the passenger frontal airbag only. If the passenger seat is empty, these will also illuminate for 5 seconds after you turn on the ignition, and then go out.
If there is an adult sitting on the seat, the "on" light will remain illuminated. If there is a child or heavy briefcase (for example) on the seat, the "off" light will remain illuminated.
I read all the reviews I could find on the new Camry before making up my mind to go for it. Not one mention of any hesitation or quality issues in any one of them. Especially, Consumer Reports and Motor Trend. But, when I Googled 'Camry Hesitation Problems'... lo, and behold there were tons of complaints. Thanks to those on this forum that gave TSB EG056R-06 as a possible fix. When I first contacted my service advisor he told me "That's just the way it drives and then he went on to tell me about the drive-by-wire feature." The second time I called he said, they (Toyota engineers), are locked in a room trying to come up with a fix and to wait. The third time I called I gave him the TSB # and he said it was a temporary fix at best and to still wait. I said I didn't feel safe driving it like it was with the herky jerky shifting and then he said okay, bring it in and he'd do the ECM flash. Well, they had my car for 2 days - Gave me a loaner for free and did the ECM flash. They also replaced my overhead map light console, which had a loose driver-side switch and they tried to fix an annoying ticking sound coming from the driver side window. Sounded like it was loose in the track because it would go away when pressure was applied or if it was rolled down slightly.
To sum up... the TSB flash did definitely help the Camry's confused shifting issue however, it still doesn't respond like I'd like during a rolling stop or when the need for sudden acceleration arises. Gas mileage went from approx. 25 mpg city to 24 mpg city. The ticking sound has only returned twice in the 18 days since where before it was constant and the map-light was fixed perfectly. There is however, still a rattle near the center of the windshield near the rear-view mirror and map light console that I can't seem to isolate. I found another TSB related to a windshield rattle, so that might be in my future. Otherwise, I love the look and feel of this car. The radio/CD is much better than my 2000 LE. The bluetooth works fine with my LG-8300 Verizon phone but I wish it were full duplex. It's more like a walkie-talkie where you have to wait for the other person to finish talking. The sound quality is great, though. Seats are very comfortable and the ride is smooth and quiet. I still have not tried a road trip to the mountains to check it's climbing ability and check the cruise control. I have read on this forum of issues with that. My 2000 Camry never had a problem uphill or downhill or with the cruise control.
My 2007 Camry was made in Kentucky. My 2000 Camry was made in Japan. Maybe that says it all with regards to the quality. Also, my wife has a 2003 Japan built RAV4 with no problems. I probably should have held on to my 2000 LE a little longer but I'm hopeful Toyota will come up with a permanent fix for the transmission/ECM problem. I've put on approximately 200 miles and the temporary fix is still holding. At least it's safer to drive now and a little more fun. I will continue to monitor these forums and will keep you posted.
I'd be working on getting the original owner's name...
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
more than likely, your problem is related to (in order of probability):
over-inflated tires
over-boosted power steering
loose linkage somewhere
tire tread design / road surface (grooving)
extreme cross-wind conditions
take it to a specialist dealing with toyotas if you dont have another toyota dealership in your area.
I have seen that there is a TSB EG056R-06 for this. My car was pre-built to this TSB and hence I think the dealer should apply this fix.
Should it be 100% reproducable for the dealer to apply this fix or do you think he will apply it if I take a copy of the TSB and my how him my VIN number ?
Thanks for your help
Why is it in the year 2007 many 2007 Camry 4cyLE owners were still complaining that Toyota told them the transmission was normal or that it was a learning transmission that required no fixing?
Why is it that Toyota still covering the problem on another website and falsely accuse the complainants as liars working for American car dealerships?
This is adding insults to injuries to those people affected by the problem including myself many of whom were former loyal Toyota customers.
daus, congratulations for lucky enough to get hold of the TSB and have the problem fixed. But not every owner of the defective Camry has the ability to search the internet and lucky enough to come across the Technical service Bulletin for fixing the problem. Lately, there was a complaint on another website in which the 2007 Camry 4cyLE owner said his/her family was almost killed in an accident because of the lag problem.
Did Toyota contact every owner of the defective Camry by mail to inform them of the TSB as it should have done? Obviously not. I have no doubt that there are still a lot of defective 2007 Camry owners out there languishing over the problem which may someday cause them to be in an accident.
I think a class action lawsuit against Toyota for knowingly jeopardizing the lives of the affected customers by failing to recall the vehicles to be fix after the issue of the TSB on September 29, 2006 is very appropriate. :mad:
Which website is this happening on?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I have never seen even one post giving out the TSB # there.
I own a 2007 V6 XLE Toyota Camry that was purchased in January 2007. While I am sure that there are units that have a problem, my Camry has been trouble free since I purchased it! It now has 11,500 miles on the "clock"! This vehicle is serviced every 2,500 miles by the selling dealer. (My choice!) I plan on keeping this vehicle for three years, and then trading it for possibly another Toyota! (The vehicle will have about 66,000 miles on the clock at that point in time!)
Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades:
I'd say Toyota hasn't applied the "fix" to all the recent builds.
I would not recommend a camy until Toyota admits the problems and fixes them.
I can't wait till the day I get out of this car!
As a 2007 Camry V6 XLE owner, I am very concerned about the quality of the product, and the problems that are associated with the product as listed on this board. I guess, I am one of the "lucky ones" in that my vehicle, (for some reason), does not have the "issues" that are talked about on this site, or that my driving style does not allow these symtoms to surface! That does not mean that the problems do not exist, but rather, my unit simply does not have these issues at this point in time. Thank God!
These conditions are not only hurting the owners with the problems, but they are also hurting the owners with vehicles that DO NOT have the problems in terms of resale value, (when it comes times to trade in the vehicle at the dealership.) Even though my vehicle DOES NOT HAVE the issues, once the problems with this vehicle become known, the value of the vehicle, (as a used vehicle), will drop! So, when you consider this fact, each one of us, who purchased this expensive vehicle, is being hurt financially by these operational issues.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?
We as customers of Toyota, can continue to post our dissatisfaction with the product, and share the information that we have managed to gather on the subject,(and there is nothing wrong with this "action"), but don't you just wonder, why no official representative from Toyota is willing to discuss this "transmission operational issue" with the owners of the problem vehicles on this board? I am sure that "Toyota People" monitor this board, and they know that this issue is stating to "fester" similar to the "sludge issue" of past years.
The solution to this issue is simple! If the symptoms of the transmission operation are "normal," explain the "principles of operation" to the public, so that they know that there is no problem with the unit. On the other hand, if there is a problem with the operation of the unit, get the necessary information to the customer base, and solve the problem before it get "blown out of proportion"!
Best regards. ----- Dwyane :shades:
Nicely said, like you mention I hope that Toyota is listing and making a statement about the issue. I email them this week and I have heard anything back from them. I have own 3 different toyota cars 96 camry, 2001 Rav4 and 06 4Runner and I am looking at the camry as an additional car to the family, I hope that my decision of trusting toyota by buying the car is not one that I will regret in the future.
Thanks
jdelgado89
You said this because I am buying an 07 with the issues the owners are reporting.
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jdelgado89
Thank you for your support of my comments. On the Edmund's transmission board there is a posting by Nathan118 #308 that lists a site "2007 Camry NHTSA ODI Complaints." I "clicked on this site," and I became very well educated about the transmission issue. It seems that the 4 cylinder version of the Camry has most of the problems, although, there are a few 6 cylinder Camrys that are listed on this site.
One person complained that the engine "vibrated" and then "stalled" when it came to a stop at a traffic light.-------- (A torque converter that does not un-lock would cause the engine to stall).------- If you remember my earlier postings on this subject, I felt that the transmission issue was NOT in the transmission itself, but rather in the "Torque Converter" of the transmission. There is a "lock-up feature" in every torque converter. When most vehicles are in "high gear", (5th or 6th), the torque converter "locks-up," and the vehicle behaves similiar to a standard transmission vehicle with a friction clutch. When the brake is applied, the "lock-up feature" of the torque converter releases, and as the vehicle slows down to a stop, the transmission "down shifts" to first gear at a complete stop. Since I do not have access to a "power flow chart of the Camry trasmission" I do not know what components are "on" and "off" in the unit on "acceleration through each gears" or "deceleration down the gears". It is very possible that the Toyota transmission is designed to have a "lock-up function" in each gear to get fuel economy! If the torque converter was locked-up in 4th gear, and the driver pressed "hard" on the accelerator forcing a "down shift to 3rd", the torque converter would first have to come out of "lock-up," and then down shift, and then the engine would have to accelerate! Here could be the problem in the unit! There is a component in the torque converter that is know as the "stator". This unit redirects the trans fluid from the "drive member of the torque converter" to the "driven member of the torque converter". This causes "torque multiplication"! (The old fluid coupling cars of the 50's did not have a "stator," and that is why they had poor fuel mileage and slow acceleration). When the torque converter is "locked-up", the stator is "free wheeling on it's shaft"! When a forced down shift occurs, the torque converter has to un-lock and the stator has to lock-up to redirect the fluid for torque multiplication, and the engine must then accelerate! I feel that the RPM flare is the result of the time that it takes for the "free wheeling stator to stop and lock up," (in the torque converter unit), in order to re-direct trans fluid and multiply torque! For a brief period of time, the torque converter is acting like an old fluid coupling of the 50's, because the stator is not functioning. One posting stated that the driver smelled "hot oil". This could be consistent with overheating the fluid of the torque converter.
If the problem was in the transmission itself, the "clutches" and / or "bands" would be burned in a very short time and the vehicle would not move! I belive that the problem is in the torque converter and the software that controls the lock-up of the torque converter and the "down-shift" process.
The "drive by wire" system just compounds the problem, because there is a slight lag in the acceleration process, and when the "drive train kicks in" the situation on the road has changed, and the acceleration is no longer appropriate!
Best regards. ----- Dwyane :shades:
It's always the car at fault, never the driver. (Some are so laughable, not necessarily for the Camry, but for other cars where consumers claim things that are simply not possible -- like the car taking off at full blast when the driver claims he/she had their foot firmly planted on the brake pedal.)
07 Camry: 65 complaints
06 Camry: 2 complaints
07 Altima: 2 complaints
07 Civic: 2 complaints
So feel free to take some with a grain of salt, but it's still a problem.
I have had the situation while braking for stop when the right edge of my boot caught the gas pedal, so I did get some engine roar. Of course, with a manual transmission, this was not a problem since depressing the clutch cuts off power to the drive wheels.
Did the Toyota dealership check the weight sensor of the front passenger airbag of your 2007 Camry to see what was wrong with it or did they just assume that the weight sensor somehow miraculously returned to normal by itself and sent you away without knowing the possible danger lurking in the passenger side airbag of yours?
Let me explain why there is likely to be danger in your front passenger airbag.
When airbags were first installed on the passenger side at the front, they deployed with the full blast as the one on the driver’s side when a severe front collision occurred. Then they found out that a lot of young children suffered severe head injuries by the exploding airbags, sometimes at low speed collisions, and there was a case that the head of a baby’s head being blown off from the body.
Now a lot of car manufacturers are installing advanced front passenger airbag that is linked to a weight sensor on the passenger seat at the front. Normally if the passenger is over a certain weight, the passenger airbag will deploy with full blast in a front collision.. If the passenger is under certain weight, say the weight of a small child or baby, the airbag will not deploy or deploy with reduced force in the more advanced ones..
The fact that the front passenger airbag on light in your new 2007 Camry remained on even when there was no one sitting there means the weight sensor on that seat was out of order or calibrated to the wrong weight or a combination of the two. So during that time if you put a small child on the passenger seat with seat belt on or a baby in a car seat, the weight sensor would tell the airbag trigger mechanism that it was an adult. The airbag would deploy with full blast and endanger the life of the small child or baby if there had been an accident.
You said now the light is off when nobody is sitting there but this doesn’t mean it has returned to normal. It could mean that the weight sensor in your Camry was poor in quality so that it fluctuates. Say if the airbag is supposed to be deactivated at 70 pounds or below ( I’m not sure about the actual figure), now it fluctuates to sensing an empty seat as 75 pounds, so the light is off. Now if you put a 60 pound child there, the sensor would activate the airbag on light even though it is supposed to be off because the sensor tell the trigger mechanism that the weight is 145 pounds. This would endanger the life the 60 pound child you put on the front passenger seat without knowing it.
This is what I suggest you do. 1/Check the manual or ask Toyota what the
maximum weight of a passenger on the front passenger seat is to have the airbag light off. 2/ Put someone and something there in addition if necessary to check if it is accurate.. 3/ If there is a minor discrepancy, check if it falls within the tolerated range. Even if it appears to be normal now, you should still ask Toyota to check it to see why it malfunctioned when you first got the Camry. 4/ If there is a big discrepancy, say the airbag light is on when the child is way below the maximum weight mentioned, then the weight sensor in the front passenger airbag assembly is defective and would endanger the life of a small child or infant on that seat and you must go to Toyota to have the sensor repaired
You might help to save the lives of the kids of some 2007 Camry owners who have the same problem without knowing about it.