I finally got the right skid plates, or at least 2/3 of them. The one for the fuel tank may take up to 2 months. The other two went on in 10 minutes. If you are still having problems with the messy oil changes, I recommend you just pull the front one off first....only 4 bolts....very easy.
We have had the truck 16 days and put 1100 miles on it. My wife says the Mustang is getting jealous. So far the mileage is not great but that is as much my fault as the truck's. I do love that 4.7, 5 speed, 3.92 when that torque curve gets "happy" at about 2500 rpm.
I went out the other day to wash it and my wife had decided that she looked better in it than I do. It was gone and came back out of gas! Probably never should have taught her how to drive the 4 speed in the Mustang.
So far the truck is running great and seems to be a real head turner in the intense blue sport package. I know they aren't looking at me!
Tuck, I still owe you a picture when it quits raining on the truck.
Boo---> Which A.R.E Lid are you going with....I am pondering the ARE Impulse LO-PRO...Very low profile(only about 1/2 above the bed)...Also I have some pics of the Black Westin Steps on A Red Sport 4x4 that i could send if you want a sneak peak of how they look..Just drop me an email at gchadsmith@cs.com
Rick...I have a 4.7L 4x4 5sp 3.55 with T&H pacakge...What RPM are you turning at 70mph....Im turning around 2050rpm in 5th...By the way..this truck is just as stable at high speeds and low speeds...ive been to 110mph and it was smooth as silk...
HITCH---> Still trying to find out who makes MOPAR's...Tow...Is the mopar a 1-piece with the cross bar welded to the frame brakets or is the bad bolted or passed through the brackets...
I'm sure you saw it, but on one of the other boards, someone said the T&H was restricted because of a supplier problem.
I canceled it, since we'd like to get the truck for our camping trip at the beginning of August. But I told my dealer to reinstate it if it comes off restriction before the truck goes to D status. He had no problem with that.
By the way, I called Hellwig (www.hellwig.net), which I understand makes good anti-sway bars (the one part of the package I really want). He said they didn't have a rear bar yet for the QC, but sounded like they probably would in a few months.
He also said they had receive other inquiries from QC owners, and implied that the more inquiries there were the more likely they would get one to market pretty soon. (He seemed to be writing down the specifics of my truck as we spoke.)
Good idea about the skid plate for oil change. So far I let the Dodge boys mess with it. Got almost 9,000 miles, man I've gotta stay home. Nancy has not driven it, but she loves to ride!! So does Lucy the Dashound (however you spell it). Only thing broken is the plastic cover for the seat belt adjuster on the PIC side. If you get steps, I recommend staying away from the Smittybilts. Been back to Godfathers twice and they welded the brackets and they still creak when I go over curbs or the ever present sink hole in my driveway. Going over this week or next and get em fixed or taken off. You can even hear the creaking over the Flowmaster! I'm anxious to see the picture. Be careful out there.
Very funny list on how to keep the wife from driving our trucks..You should give Letterman a call,he could use a new writer for his "top 10" list. Very nice! Allen-
ordered from Adirondack Auto in upstate new york(not albany, about 2 hours north) got the 2000 QC SLT with the following: 4.7L, auto, SLT+, body molding(park in a crappy driving college kid who doesn't care parking lot), tow package, hd service group, anti lock brakes, sliding window, fold-away mirrors, and leather wrapped stearing wheel. he said 5 to 8 weeks for delivery. sold it to us at invoice and signed us up for the farm beureau rebate, which they will keep. i can't beat this deal with any other dealer. didn't even have to fight with him for it which was great. still waiting for a price on the bed extender, but if anyone else knows could they please post the mopar price.
hoping for a speedy delivery like the rest of you.
First... I live within 50 miles of where the Quad is manufactured. I LOVE anything with a motor and two or more wheels, and have all my life.
Yet, I'm appalled by how the conventional press can so miserably misrepresent product specifications -- PARTICULARLY with regard to TRUCKS.
The following is an EXACT re-key of what appeared in Ed Noble's "automotive review" column in the Oakland Press ( a local paper) dated 5/14/00... For kicks... A photo of a QC Sport appeared above the following: _________________________________________________
The Dodge stylists are still the truck team to beat. Riding high on the enormous success of the Ram truck models and the midsize Dakota trucks, the truck team has again raised the sales stakes with the Quad Cab models.
While having four doors is not in itself new, it takes vision to style a truck to look something like a sedan and have the rear doors hinged forward. These features are at the heart of the Quad Cab's appeal. Want more? How about a healthy overhead cam V-8 Magnum engine and old-style stepside rear fenders/ Looks like another winner.
About 10 years ago Dodge trucks were not that popular but nowadays they are the trendy models to have.
The engine is one of the entirely new V-8 motors that have single overhead cams and aluminum heads. At 245 horsepower and 335 pounds of torque they are potent. And, for for hopping up to even higher horses, V-8s are eager to accept aftermarket speed equipment. Dual exhaust from a V-8 is still most recognizable for that that sweet sound and beefy power tone.
Remember when trucks were cheap, or at least a lot less expensive than cars? There was a time when if you wanted a brand new vehicle and could not afford a car perhaps you bought a fancy truck. They were around half the price of a car 40 years ago. Now it is is not unusual for a loaded truck to price out at higher than an equivalently accessorized car.
Our test Dakota had a base price that would have put it into a near luxury level sedan's price range. Add to that all the extras and we're talking real money here! The SLT trim level and the Magnum V-8 engine were the big-ticket additiions, both at just about just the same $1,285 each extra. The four-wheel drive was an extra $975. We wish the antilock brakes were standard issue but they added $495 to the growing list of accessories. The out-the-door price is well over $30,000. And this is a midsize truck - not a big, bulking, three-quarter-ton work truck. So what? If that's what you want then pay the price or look for something else.
We should point out that if trucks 40 years ago had an AM radio and heater they were considered well-equipped. Air-conditiioning? Are you kidding? In 1960, no way! But now it is so commonplace that it's almost standard fare. On this truck, however, air conditioning is part of a customer preferred package (28G) that adds $1,220 to the price. The 28G package includes chrome bumpers and grille, and other minor accessories.
The hefty price seemed to fade as we tested the attrative Quad Cab with a perfect metallic copper color paint job. There was a heavy-duty bed liner with Ram logo imprinted into the thick plastic-based bed protector. It would be a shame to scratch this nice paint. The Ram hood and grille are a single unit and that helps when work needs to be done around the front of the engine room. The Ram has a large plastic covering for the radiator that also serves as a fan shroud and unique container for coolant overflow and windshield washer fluid. This is a great packaging idea and saves on room too.
The rear forward-opening doors will be the big selling point for this truck, and it even makes the work [non-permissible content removed] family fun truck actually livable. My lady co-tester said this truck must have been designed for tall people since there are no running boards and getting into the high vehicle will take a good step up. But it's fairly comfortable in the front or the back; there's plenty of legroom. The rear seat backs will not tilt back, so you are going to sit up straight like it or not.
Up front there is a trucklike feeling to the layout of the dashboard and the general lack of attractive trim colors. But there are plenty of things to like; one of our favorites is the volume and station controls for the stereo unit on the steering wheel. The cruise controls are also found on the tilt steering wheel. We also like the overhead console with its digital readouts for temperature, compass and fuel information. All of that information is greatly appreciated on long road trips. A stubby shift lever is on the floor for engaging the four-wheel drive operatiion. We like the newer idea of an electronic switch on the dashboard better and it frees up floor space besides being more convenient to use in a hurry.
The mighty Magnum V-8 engine delivers plenty of scoot, and it's too easy to squal the rear 235/75X15-inch all-season tires if you get your foot into the gas pedal too far. The ride quality is decent considering this is a truck and also a four-wheel drive to boot. The simple cup holderes work for all of our official test drinks; there are even dual drink holders for the rear passengers.
It's hard to deny, but the Dodge truck department at Daimler-Chryslere AG is setting the styling trends. While Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. sell many more trucks than Dodge, they might admit that Dodge beats them in the looks department.
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Again, that's just a re-key of the article... Generally favorable, but I have a real problem with inaccurate specs and prices... Anyone care to comment?
Fear not, I will post here if T & H comes off restriction. Reading between the lines of your post, are you considering ordering another QC without the T & H option?
The writer of that inaccurate drivel must be an agency car salesman. He certainly qualifies. Also, his pricing expectations were quite lofty for certain options. I would love to sell this guy a truck first, followed closely with a bridge spanning the river between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Thanks for the advice on how to keep wife out of my truck, I think the grease on an old pair of jeans should do the trick. Good luck with yours, I'm still lovin mine.
Bobby, the offer of the photos was indeed very kind and thoughtful. However, the Westin bars will be part of my truck tomorrow. I did see a truck with the black Westin bars.
The A.R.E. lid is the LSII. This is actually a fiberglass tonneau cover.
Where be 'da oil filter?? Granted, I only glanced under the truck late at night for a sec, but I used to be somewhat handy....geez, I'll find it, I guess... BK- don't really know ya-but nice exhibition of patience...I would have made "salesman soup" out out of the dealership (and you thought the "Matrix" was violent....!) Congrats, and yes, it is one cool truck.... Any chance your favorite salesman could be put on "eternity leave" from the dealership?? Heck ya, it's cool-I just keep looking back from the driver's seat in amazement....Gave into temptation and trounced a Supercrew today...wondering where the extra $7K that guy paid went? Towcrazy-good comments about initial quality and our somewhat unreasonable expectations-I agree completely. However, and not to put too fine a point on it, I believe it's better to "train" your local dealership that your expectations are high, so that they'll aim high when it comes time to please the customer. Side note: Lady friend at work jumped into the insanity line last year and paid over invoice for a new 2wd Frontier Crew Cab. ($21k, before TL&R!) She loved it until last Monday, when quark's new QC rolled up. Ooops! Longer and wider bed, bigger cab up front and way bigger rear seating, mega power difference, etc., etc, etc....and I get better mileage! Best she's ever gotten (Trip to the Sierras and back) was 17.5 mpg! That 3.3l motor in the Frontier CC and Pathfinder is a gas hog! To make a long story short, there goes my chance for an ill-advised, sure-to-be-a-disaster, and will-definitely-end-my-nice-secure-marriage torrid-one-night-stand-while-"working late" love affair with that gal....! (I'm "hyphenventilating")Nuff said for now...!
Likewise, if I hear that the package is off restriction, I'll post.
In fact, as we stand right now, my order doesn't have the T&H package.
My dealer said he would check my status and the status of the T&H package every day.
If my truck goes to D status before the T&H restriction is lifted, then I won't get the package. If the restriction is lifted before the truck goes to D status, then he'll change the order to include the package.
He said changes to the order were no problem as long as the truck wasn't yet in D status. He also said none of this will affect the ability to get the truck built before the 2001 switch.
I'd like to have the T&H package, but I can live without it. I'll put an after-market sway bar in, and when the factory tires quit, I'll probably change out the wheels.
New Quad was ordered in December; arrived in January. V6, auto, 4X4, with towing package. Runs and rides quiet, alot better than my old S-10. Shifts easily in 4-wheel drive. The only question I have pertains to how it shifts into overdrive on hills. Traveling on flat land in cruise-control it does 55mph at around 2000 rpm. As soon as it hits a long upgrade it jumps to around 4000 rpm and sounds like the engine is coming out from under the hood! Is this normal? I have been reading about all these transmission problems Dodge's have had and I have to wonder.
Dave, it sounds as if the combination of engine and transmission is seeking to remain within the torque range of the 3.9 liter V-6. As the transmission senses lugging, it automatically down-shifts to keep the engine in its power band. The 3.9 V-6, although a "tried and true" performer is marginal especially in a vehicle of this size and compounded by an automatic transmission which does not employ the direct resistance of a manual. You did not mention the axle ratio(s) in your posting. Your post refers to shifting "into" overdrive, but in all actuality the truck is shifting "out" of overdrive into a lower gear, thus raising the RPM at any given speed. Without hearing and directly experiencing the increase in RPM, it is difficult to make any kind of accurate assessment. But, it is quite normal to experience an decided increase in RPM whenever a vehicle shifts down into a lower range(gear or drop box). The best that I can offer would be for you to document accurately the actual RPM produced under the conditions stated. Then, contact the service guys at the dealership. If the hills encountered are local, then they too may be familiar with them and could ascertain if you are indeed having a problem. There are many people within this forum who are more knowledgeable and much better versed than I. Especially regarding automatic transmissions. Good luck, I hope it turns out not to be a problem with your truck.
Good point on "training" the dealership service folks on your expectations! I fully agree!
My problem is that the nearest dealership is some 20 miles away, and I've found that fixing minor defects myself often takes less time than I'd waste at the dealership.
Example: Took a close look at the fog lamps on my Sport last night and noticed that on each side, the lamps were bearing on one part of the bumper... Wouldn't take too many miles before that nice white paint wears away and the rust starts. Not certain how I'm going to fix it yet, but I'd rather give it a quick try myself before spending 4-5 hours schlepping into the dealership and watching the service guys scratch their heads.
DAVE: I'd have to concur with Boo on your downshifting situation, if only from personal experience. Sounds like your truck is jumping out of overdrive (effectively 4th gear) down to 2nd gear, which could indeed cause a real jump on the tach.
A couple of suggestions: I've found with my Ram that it's easier on the engine to simply deactivate the overdrive, for example, when traveling through the hills of Kentucky and Tennessee... Helps to keep the trans from "kicking down" too frequently. It also provides a certain measure of engine-braking during descents.
Secondly, you mentioned that the kick-down occurs when you have the cruise control on. I've done the same on long grades, and actually watched the CC respond by sinking the gas pedal to the floor, thus causing a heavy-duty downshift and huge jump in RPMs. CC is a neat option for relatively "flat" driving, but its sensitivity is questionable in the hills.
Again, just personal experiences... If you're truly concerned, I'd suggest documenting the RPM jump, getting into the dealership, and having them write up an RO that lists your symptoms. Even if they give you a NPF (no problem found), at least you'll be armed with the RO if tranmission problems pop up down the road.
What tire package are you going with? I noticed your plans are to change out wheels at some time and I am looking for 15 x 8 take offs. Let me know buddy cause I'm just keeping an eye out. mike
Mike, I'll be getting the stock 15 x 7 alloy wheels. Someone noted yesterday that www.capitalwheels.com sells the OEM 15 X 8 wheels for under $400 (full set of four). Lee
ya went there yesterday. they aren't buying my 15 x 7's at this time so I'm probably going to hold off for a little while and see if I can find someones leftovers. thanks. mike
I have been "lurking" in this forum for about 3 months listening (actually reading), and learning. I am in the market for a quad, but will probably have to wait for 2001 models. I wish to congratulate you on receiving your "prize". You have exhibited an unusual amount of patience, while keeping a sense of humor (loved the list)! I hope you enjoy your quad. This forum has been very informative and just as important, civil. My son visits the Toyota forum (has a 98 Tacoma X-cab, V-6, 5 sp) and those guys are sometimes down right rude and bu**heads. You and towcrazy2, bigal, and others (can't remember everyone) are to be commended for your willingness to post/share info. Hope to join your ranks soon.
Have to get out in a moment to get the Ram spruced up (once again) for another prospect, but wished to welcome you to the group!
NOPE! The Quad is NOT the "be-all/cure-all" of pickups! It's got its share of troubles, just as any vehicle wearing any badge does... But you're RIGHT in your observations of this group! We're not out to knock Dodge or any other maker... Simply sharing positive and negative experiences and annecdotes, learning from one-another, and garnering information on our "rides" we might not otherwise enjoy.
Know what you mean about some of the other forums... Lot's of "foreign vs domestic" bantering and superficial stuff on "form" without regard to "function"... Life is too short for that! With luck, this will remain a clean and positive forum down the road!
Quark, re your post 151 I think I am the one who originally raised the issue. Spacer is one option but I was told by my dealer that while you can't use chains something called Spider claws or Cables are acceptable. However they will not put this in writing. Just indicated that there is plenty of room but DC is putting the disclaimer in to remove any liability for chain usage. Hope this helps. Carl
It's good to have you with us.As you posted, this is a great forum and a "friendly" one. If you have been "lurking" as you put it, you already know that it is a very informative (sometimes funny)and interesting place.Remember 2 heads are always better than 1,in this case 2-15 heads...It's good to add one more. Allen-
Granted... Perhaps it's off-topic... But I can't recall having so much fun with the accessories since I did the last Harley!
Dealership called and the sill plates/body moldings/mud flaps are in... Talked with a nearby Ziebart outlet and ordered the total-access Fold-a-Cover for $550... Ventvisors, bug shields, etc. should be arriving by week's end.
Funny... Never had this much fun with the Ram... And never had near the fun driving it!
johnandkalen re your post 182. From reading the several threads on Dodge QC it seems that quite a few people are getting the extended warranty option just to be safe. I suggest that you take a look at the pricing of third party suppliers. I bought mine through my credit union for $725 with $50 deductible and it is more comprehensive than the one offer by DC. I have seen where others have brought their EW off the net at somewhere around the same price. Just my thoughts hope it helps. Carl
For what it's worth, you've got time to shop for the X-warranty without losing anything, and perhaps with someting to gain.
The dealership F&I guys are increasingly pressured to supplement front-end (sales) profits due to decreased gross profits on the vehicles themselves. Therefore, you'll find that the sales dept. is going to push F&I "products" (X-service, Rust & Dust, etc.) to the extent that they can. They're justified in doing that as ANY retail business is. And, there's some degree of security in knowing that the vehicle is covered for the period of time you intend to own it.
HOWEVER... The F&I business is almost a "separate entity" within most dealerships... It survives on selling paper and contracts... Just as any number of "outside" insurance concerns will do the same.
I took delivery of the Quad over a week ago, and discussed the X-plan with the dealer... Wasn't satisfied with the price, because I'd found a far better deal via the net. I figure I'll beat the DC deal so long as I buy within the first year of ownership... Rather sink my spare bucks into accessories to protect the truck and bank the rest over the next 8-10 months since I'm covered under the 3/36 anyway.
Just one man's opinion! Go with your conscience, but do a bit of shopping around!
Today was the day to have the Duraliner, A.R.E. LII lid and the Westin side rails installed. The A.R.E. lid was in his shop as it had been ordered for the unit I refused, the Westin bars were in stock, and the Duraliner was to come in yesterday. As sometimes happens, the Duraliner does not show, and that shoots down the lif installation. I really needed it all today, so I called a Tuffliner dealer who had the under the rail liner in stock. Had the Westin bars installed, and when they went to lunch, drove to Burlington, NJ and had the liner put in the truck. Drove back to Willow Grove, PA and they hung the lid. A full day, but it turned out to be quite satisfying. Had the quad on the turnpike, and it is a runner. Absolutely love it and my buddies loved it as well. I am a happy camper.
James, a hardy welcome to the "Good Guys" "Dodge Boys" forum. Indeed as you have noted, they are a friendly helpful group. After visiting some other forums, I truly appreciate our gang. This is not unlike a good team, where somebody is always there to "pick you up." If you feel the need for information, don't hesitate to ask. The only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked. I just love it when I become profound. Again, welcome and watch for the announcement of our own page, which some of our posters having been exploring diligently.
has any body called D/C in the last day or so to see if there are any restrictions that might slow down the building of my truck this week? QC 4.7l,3.92,T&H,4x4,auto,slt.
Bookitty-- congats on getting the truck, please keep the rest of us quadwaiters up to date on the likes and dislikes of your Quad..
You get the patience award. Let me know if the bars "creak" going into driveways, hills or whatever. My Smittybuilt ones are horrible, Godfathers reinstalled them, still horrible and on the third trip, they welded the brackets and they still creak badly. And I'm a hearing aid guy. Everyone who rides in my truck wants to know what the strange noise is (other than the Flowmaster). Going to have to get them swapped out, I guess. Be careful out there.
if you have the 4.7L...Look right up under the airdam the fog lights are mounted in and there will be a twist of cover labled oil-filter...I know because i, just like you, looked for about 15minutes after i got the truck(Before i read the manual) and absolutely could not find it...really embarrased me when my wife looked under the front end and immediatly said, "Did you look in the Hole marked Oil Filter??" I felt like crawling into that little space between the cab and the bed...I guess you Live and Learn
Noticed that your going with the duraliner for yer Quad. Tell me friend why you chose this liner as opposed to a spray in like rhino or xliner. still researching and appreciate yer input. thanks and congrats, mike
If you truck has been assigned a build date, I would think you are o.k., if not then welcome to the club. My heavily loaded QC 4x4 Sport Plus is in limbo right now because of the T & H restriction which 1meyer1 spoke of. Dodge does not set an official cut off date for dealer orders, it just happens when they decide its time. The question is whether the T & H package will come off restriction before order cut off time. I've phoned 2 dealers here in the Dallas-Ft.Worth area this week and found 3 trucks similar to what I ordered. I'm going to hang with my ordered truck the next few days and see what happens BUT I intend on having a contingency plan.
Marellano...With all due respect to Bookitty, I purchased my LAST drop in liner in 1987. Per the directions, I took it out after 6 months so that I could clean underneath it. Every area that the liner had contacted had worn the paint down to primer and in some areas, down to bare metal. Not only was my bedliner 6 months old, so was my truck! This was not a work truck I had hardly hauled anything in it. I've purchased several trucks since and switched to bed mats until the spray in liners came out, they are wonderful. In my opinion, the spray in liners are the only way to go, moisture can't get underneath them, so rust is not a problem. The textured surface precludes items from sliding around, a known problem with drop in liners. I've had Rhino liners sprayed in my last two trucks and this next one will have the same. I've heard that Line X makes a great product also, as do a few others. There is my .02 worth!
The QC I have ordered will be my fourth truck since 1987. I've had bedliners in all of them, though with some variation. The first (87 Nissan) was a factory Duraliner, and as described above, wore the paint down to primer. The second (89 Mazda), I bought a do-it-yourself paint on liner from JC Whitney ($100 - nice product) AND put a bedliner in. After several years, I removed the liner and noticed only a few flat spots in the liquid liner from the contact points, though it still looked great. The third (95 Dakota), I applied 3M self adhesive walkway tread (available in rolls at Home Depot) to every rise in the bed corrugation and all other contact points. Surprisingly, it looked sharp, but I also installed a bedliner over that and had no problems.
On the QC, I plan to do a liquid/plastic combo again, as I will be keeping this one for a while.
If I didn't plan on hauling much, I'd do the liquid only, but I'll be hauling ATV, firewood, etc.... I've had very good sucess with my last two. This is just food for thought for anyone who might be interested.
Tuck, I had Smittybilts on my Expedition with no problems. I took the Westin bars because they were available. But, there is a left and right bar (at least in the Westin). My dealer had to take them down and re-install. Different radius. They did not line up in a straight line. Maybe that's a problem you could look into. Hope you get them fixed to your satisfaction.
Mike, I ordered a Duraliner, but when it did not arrive in time, I switched to a Tuffliner. The only reason I use a drop in, is because I need to separate the compartment in a longitudinal manner. I also use an A.R.E. tonneau cover. I have never removed the liner from my truck, because I always use the lids and have no water entry. I have never had a spray in liner, but some people really rave about them. No personal experience on my part. I'm certain that you can get advice on this forum to be able to make an intelligent decision. Once our posters read your individual needs, there will be good advice forthcoming.
I chose the Line-X spray in for my truck and am very pleased. the dealer sold Rhino but, the price was higher and did not look quite as good as Line-X. I got the standard black color and it looks very good on my flame red truck. After having a drop-in liner in a Ford I used to own I swore I would never have another. Everything you put in the bed slid around and had to be tied down. My .02 worth.
Bookitty I am glad you finally got your truck and wish you many happy miles! I have 4500 miles on my 4x2 sport 4.7 auto and love it so far!
Another quad fan de-lurking (is that a word). Thanks to everyone for the comments, information and advice in this forum. I can't begin to tell you how much all of you have helped me through the process of getting my truck. Now I'm looking forward to the help I can get buying all the accessories.
I ordered a Green SLT 4x4 with 4.7L, 5spd, 3.55, T&H, and SLT+ on March 27. Arrived at the dealer on May 4 and I picked it up on the 8th. After 8 days I absolutely love this truck. The ride, handling, looks, and power are great! So far no problems and I have checked for all that were posted here (bed alignment, etc). Also, I'm happy with the gas mileage. 1st tank was 18.6 and second was 18.4. Hoping to get 20 after break in.
Badassbob...I have the same set up and I'm also getting 2050 rpm's in 5th at 70mph. Havn't taken it much past that yet as I'm still breaking it in. Can't wait to try though.
Bookitty I'm happy for you.I ordered 11-15-99,drove the truck home 4-19-00.Quadwaiters we were.To be a quadwaiter twice though...... Condensation will find its way into any "sealed" area.I keep all the fuel tanks full in my trucks,backhoe,and case farm tractor cause condensation can be a big source of water/rust inside these tanks,even here in Nevada where its quite dry. I'll take them for a spin once a month to keep fresh fuel in the fuel deliverly systems. I'll also transfer fuel when it sits to long in a infrequently used vehicle to a vehicle that I use more often.My 2 1/2 ton 59 Ford likes all the fuel I can give it. Hauls fire wood in summer plows snow in the winter.I've gone with the rubber mat from Pepboys $40 big ones.I can take it out, clean and inspect the paint, and reinstall, in about one min.
You are absolutely correct as regards condensation forming as a natural process. I explored the spray in liners, but it made it difficult to "compartmentize" the bed. On my previous Dakota, I utilized a liner (York) with the load lock feature. It served me well, as I used the vehicle to carry my luggage, tools, brochures and laptop computer. When I needed to use more of the bed I simply removed the separators, although with an A.R.E. tonneau you are limited with hauling items of any size. That's why I have a utility (5X8) trailer to use on those occasions. Thanks for your good wishes.
For what it's worth, I'm another of the converts to the sprayed liner... But with a twist.
Ordered a Fold-a-Cover through a nearby Ziebart outlet, indicating that I would do the install (I'm picky)... The plan is to install the rails and test-fit the cover to assure it's going to work properly. Then remove the cover, mask off the rails, and have the same outlet spray a Rhino liner, including over-rail. I asked for additional material thickness on bed sides, front and tailgate... He agreed.
Reinstall the lid, then finish it all off by trimming a rubber bed mat I had in the Ram and dropping it into the Quad... The mat's been very good... Anti-slip, and adds a degree of impact protection to the bed floor.
While the drop-in liners I've had in previous trucks have been better than nothing, I've been a bit disappointed with cargo sliding (this the rubber mat) and some minor damage to the paint.
Anyone had any long-term experience with the Rhino liner? If so, what's the verdict?
I agree that it's great to have those "compartments" within the bed... Spent a good deal of time making up a slick "divider" out of 2X12 for the Ram... Drops into the detents in the bed sides and works wonderfully for keeping small items (gas cans, etc.) to the rear of the bed where they're accessible.
Plan to devise another homemade divider for the Quad, but section off the front of the bed rather than rear since the Fold-a-Cover allows quick access to space just behind the cab.
By the way... How's your truck running? Any first impressions/observations beyond what a kick it is to drive?
You're probably right that the "Roll-n-Lock" provides a bit more bed access than the Fold-a-Cover... Guess it's a matter of what you prefer, how you're going to use the cover, and anticipated conditions.
For me, weather was a factor... Not so certain that the rolling cover would work so well with a coating of crusty snow and ice... Then again, I can't say at this point how the folding cover will work either!
As to completely removing the folding unit, can't comment on that either... The unit is due to arrive in 7-10 days. Once I have it installed, I'll give you something first-hand on that.
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We have had the truck 16 days and put 1100 miles on it. My wife says the Mustang is getting jealous. So far the mileage is not great but that is as much my fault as the truck's. I do love that 4.7, 5 speed, 3.92 when that torque curve gets "happy" at about 2500 rpm.
I went out the other day to wash it and my wife had decided that she looked better in it than I do. It was gone and came back out of gas! Probably never should have taught her how to drive the 4 speed in the Mustang.
So far the truck is running great and seems to be a real head turner in the intense blue sport package. I know they aren't looking at me!
Tuck, I still owe you a picture when it quits raining on the truck.
Rick...I have a 4.7L 4x4 5sp 3.55 with T&H pacakge...What RPM are you turning at 70mph....Im turning around 2050rpm in 5th...By the way..this truck is just as stable at high speeds and low speeds...ive been to 110mph and it was smooth as silk...
HITCH---> Still trying to find out who makes MOPAR's...Tow...Is the mopar a 1-piece with the cross bar welded to the frame brakets or is the bad bolted or passed through the brackets...
Later
CHAD
I canceled it, since we'd like to get the truck for our camping trip at the beginning of August. But I told my dealer to reinstate it if it comes off restriction before the truck goes to D status. He had no problem with that.
By the way, I called Hellwig (www.hellwig.net), which I understand makes good anti-sway bars (the one part of the package I really want). He said they didn't have a rear bar yet for the QC, but sounded like they probably would in a few months.
He also said they had receive other inquiries from QC owners, and implied that the more inquiries there were the more likely they would get one to market pretty soon. (He seemed to be writing down the specifics of my truck as we spoke.)
Got almost 9,000 miles, man I've gotta stay home.
Nancy has not driven it, but she loves to ride!! So does Lucy the Dashound (however you spell it).
Only thing broken is the plastic cover for the seat belt adjuster on the PIC side.
If you get steps, I recommend staying away from the Smittybilts. Been back to Godfathers twice and they welded the brackets and they still creak when I go over curbs or the ever present sink hole in my driveway. Going over this week or next and get em fixed or taken off. You can even hear the creaking over the Flowmaster!
I'm anxious to see the picture.
Be careful out there.
Very nice!
Allen-
got the 2000 QC SLT with the following:
4.7L, auto, SLT+, body molding(park in a crappy driving college kid who doesn't care parking lot), tow package, hd service group, anti lock brakes, sliding window, fold-away mirrors, and leather wrapped stearing wheel.
he said 5 to 8 weeks for delivery.
sold it to us at invoice and signed us up for the farm beureau rebate, which they will keep. i can't beat this deal with any other dealer. didn't even have to fight with him for it which was great. still waiting for a price on the bed extender, but if anyone else knows could they please post the mopar price.
hoping for a speedy delivery like the rest of you.
First... I live within 50 miles of where the Quad is manufactured. I LOVE anything with a motor and two or more wheels, and have all my life.
Yet, I'm appalled by how the conventional press can so miserably misrepresent product specifications -- PARTICULARLY with regard to TRUCKS.
The following is an EXACT re-key of what appeared in Ed Noble's "automotive review" column in the Oakland Press ( a local paper) dated 5/14/00... For kicks... A photo of a QC Sport appeared above the following:
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SPECS (as listed):
Type: High luxury midsize pickup truck
Price: $21,615 base; $29,560 as tested
Engine: 5.9 liter V-8, SOHC
Drive Line: Four-wheel drive four-speed automatic transmission
Wheelbase: 131 inches
Weight: 4,457 pounds
MPG: 12 city, 16 highway
Features: Styling leader and unique midsize
Assembly: Michigan
Information: (800) 4-A-DODGE; http.www.4adodge.com
TEXT (as written):
The Dodge stylists are still the truck team to beat. Riding high on the enormous success of the Ram truck models and the midsize Dakota trucks, the truck team has again raised the sales stakes with the Quad Cab models.
While having four doors is not in itself new, it takes vision to style a truck to look something like a sedan and have the rear doors hinged forward. These features are at the heart of the Quad Cab's appeal. Want more? How about a healthy overhead cam V-8 Magnum engine and old-style stepside rear fenders/ Looks like another winner.
About 10 years ago Dodge trucks were not that popular but nowadays they are the trendy models to have.
The engine is one of the entirely new V-8 motors that have single overhead cams and aluminum heads. At 245 horsepower and 335 pounds of torque they are potent. And, for for hopping up to even higher horses, V-8s are eager to accept aftermarket speed equipment. Dual exhaust from a V-8 is still most recognizable for that that sweet sound and beefy power tone.
Remember when trucks were cheap, or at least a lot less expensive than cars? There was a time when if you wanted a brand new vehicle and could not afford a car perhaps you bought a fancy truck. They were around half the price of a car 40 years ago. Now it is is not unusual for a loaded truck to price out at higher than an equivalently accessorized car.
Our test Dakota had a base price that would have put it into a near luxury level sedan's price range. Add to that all the extras and we're talking real money here! The SLT trim level and the Magnum V-8 engine were the big-ticket additiions, both at just about just the same $1,285 each extra. The four-wheel drive was an extra $975. We wish the antilock brakes were standard issue but they added $495 to the growing list of accessories. The out-the-door price is well over $30,000. And this is a midsize truck - not a big, bulking, three-quarter-ton work truck. So what? If that's what you want then pay the price or look for something else.
We should point out that if trucks 40 years ago had an AM radio and heater they were considered well-equipped. Air-conditiioning? Are you kidding? In 1960, no way! But now it is so commonplace that it's almost standard fare. On this truck, however, air conditioning is part of a customer preferred package (28G) that adds $1,220 to the price. The 28G package includes chrome bumpers and grille, and other minor accessories.
The hefty price seemed to fade as we tested the attrative Quad Cab with a perfect metallic copper color paint job. There was a heavy-duty bed liner with Ram logo imprinted into the thick plastic-based bed protector. It would be a shame to scratch this nice paint. The Ram hood and grille are a single unit and that helps when work needs to be done around the front of the engine room. The Ram has a large plastic covering for the radiator that also serves as a fan shroud and unique container for coolant overflow and windshield washer fluid. This is a great packaging idea and saves on room too.
The rear forward-opening doors will be the big selling point for this truck, and it even makes the work [non-permissible content removed] family fun truck actually livable. My lady co-tester said this truck must have been designed for tall people since there are no running boards and getting into the high vehicle will take a good step up. But it's fairly comfortable in the front or the back; there's plenty of legroom. The rear seat backs will not tilt back, so you are going to sit up straight like it or not.
Up front there is a trucklike feeling to the layout of the dashboard and the general lack of attractive trim colors. But there are plenty of things to like; one of our favorites is the volume and station controls for the stereo unit on the steering wheel. The cruise controls are also found on the tilt steering wheel. We also like the overhead console with its digital readouts for temperature, compass and fuel information. All of that information is greatly appreciated on long road trips. A stubby shift lever is on the floor for engaging the four-wheel drive operatiion. We like the newer idea of an electronic switch on the dashboard better and it frees up floor space besides being more convenient to use in a hurry.
The mighty Magnum V-8 engine delivers plenty of scoot, and it's too easy to squal the rear 235/75X15-inch all-season tires if you get your foot into the gas pedal too far. The ride quality is decent considering this is a truck and also a four-wheel drive to boot. The simple cup holderes work for all of our official test drinks; there are even dual drink holders for the rear passengers.
It's hard to deny, but the Dodge truck department at Daimler-Chryslere AG is setting the styling trends. While Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. sell many more trucks than Dodge, they might admit that Dodge beats them in the looks department.
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Again, that's just a re-key of the article... Generally favorable, but I have a real problem with inaccurate specs and prices... Anyone care to comment?
Bookitty
The A.R.E. lid is the LSII. This is actually a fiberglass tonneau cover.
Bookitty
BK- don't really know ya-but nice exhibition of patience...I would have made "salesman soup" out out of the dealership (and you thought the "Matrix" was violent....!) Congrats, and yes, it is one cool truck....
Any chance your favorite salesman could be put on "eternity leave" from the dealership??
Heck ya, it's cool-I just keep looking back from the driver's seat in amazement....Gave into temptation and trounced a Supercrew today...wondering where the extra $7K that guy paid went?
Towcrazy-good comments about initial quality and our somewhat unreasonable expectations-I agree completely. However, and not to put too fine a point on it, I believe it's better to "train" your local dealership that your expectations are high, so that they'll aim high when it comes time to please the customer.
Side note: Lady friend at work jumped into the insanity line last year and paid over invoice for a new 2wd Frontier Crew Cab. ($21k, before TL&R!) She loved it until last Monday, when quark's new QC rolled up. Ooops! Longer and wider bed, bigger cab up front and way bigger rear seating, mega power difference, etc., etc, etc....and I get better mileage! Best she's ever gotten (Trip to the Sierras and back) was 17.5 mpg! That 3.3l motor in the Frontier CC and Pathfinder is a gas hog! To make a long story short, there goes my chance for an ill-advised, sure-to-be-a-disaster, and will-definitely-end-my-nice-secure-marriage torrid-one-night-stand-while-"working late" love affair with that gal....! (I'm "hyphenventilating")Nuff said for now...!
In fact, as we stand right now, my order doesn't have the T&H package.
My dealer said he would check my status and the status of the T&H package every day.
If my truck goes to D status before the T&H restriction is lifted, then I won't get the package. If the restriction is lifted before the truck goes to D status, then he'll change the order to include the package.
He said changes to the order were no problem as long as the truck wasn't yet in D status. He also said none of this will affect the ability to get the truck built before the 2001 switch.
I'd like to have the T&H package, but I can live without it. I'll put an after-market sway bar in, and when the factory tires quit, I'll probably change out the wheels.
Thanks for the responses.
Dave
is marginal especially in a vehicle of this size and compounded by an automatic transmission which does not employ the direct resistance of a manual. You did not mention the axle ratio(s) in your posting. Your post refers to shifting "into" overdrive, but in all actuality the truck is shifting "out" of overdrive into a lower gear, thus raising the RPM at any given speed. Without hearing and directly experiencing the increase in RPM, it is difficult to make any kind of accurate assessment. But, it is quite normal to experience an decided increase in RPM whenever a vehicle shifts down into a lower range(gear or drop box). The best that I can offer would be for you to document accurately the actual RPM produced under the conditions stated. Then, contact the service guys at the dealership. If the hills encountered are local, then they too may be familiar with them and could ascertain if you are indeed having a problem. There are many people within this forum who are more knowledgeable and much better versed than I. Especially regarding automatic transmissions. Good luck, I hope it turns out not to be a problem with your truck.
Bookitty
Good point on "training" the dealership service folks on your expectations! I fully agree!
My problem is that the nearest dealership is some 20 miles away, and I've found that fixing minor defects myself often takes less time than I'd waste at the dealership.
Example: Took a close look at the fog lamps on my Sport last night and noticed that on each side, the lamps were bearing on one part of the bumper... Wouldn't take too many miles before that nice white paint wears away and the rust starts. Not certain how I'm going to fix it yet, but I'd rather give it a quick try myself before spending 4-5 hours schlepping into the dealership and watching the service guys scratch their heads.
DAVE:
I'd have to concur with Boo on your downshifting situation, if only from personal experience. Sounds like your truck is jumping out of overdrive (effectively 4th gear) down to 2nd gear, which could indeed cause a real jump on the tach.
A couple of suggestions: I've found with my Ram that it's easier on the engine to simply deactivate the overdrive, for example, when traveling through the hills of Kentucky and Tennessee... Helps to keep the trans from "kicking down" too frequently. It also provides a certain measure of engine-braking during descents.
Secondly, you mentioned that the kick-down occurs when you have the cruise control on. I've done the same on long grades, and actually watched the CC respond by sinking the gas pedal to the floor, thus causing a heavy-duty downshift and huge jump in RPMs. CC is a neat option for relatively "flat" driving, but its sensitivity is questionable in the hills.
Again, just personal experiences... If you're truly concerned, I'd suggest documenting the RPM jump, getting into the dealership, and having them write up an RO that lists your symptoms. Even if they give you a NPF (no problem found), at least you'll be armed with the RO if tranmission problems pop up down the road.
Good luck!
mike
Lee
mike
Have to get out in a moment to get the Ram spruced up (once again) for another prospect, but wished to welcome you to the group!
NOPE! The Quad is NOT the "be-all/cure-all" of pickups! It's got its share of troubles, just as any vehicle wearing any badge does... But you're RIGHT in your observations of this group! We're not out to knock Dodge or any other maker... Simply sharing positive and negative experiences and annecdotes, learning from one-another, and garnering information on our "rides" we might not otherwise enjoy.
Know what you mean about some of the other forums... Lot's of "foreign vs domestic" bantering and superficial stuff on "form" without regard to "function"... Life is too short for that! With luck, this will remain a clean and positive forum down the road!
Carl
Allen-
Dealership called and the sill plates/body moldings/mud flaps are in... Talked with a nearby Ziebart outlet and ordered the total-access Fold-a-Cover for $550... Ventvisors, bug shields, etc. should be arriving by week's end.
Funny... Never had this much fun with the Ram... And never had near the fun driving it!
Thanks.
Carl
good luck.
mike
The dealership F&I guys are increasingly pressured to supplement front-end (sales) profits due to decreased gross profits on the vehicles themselves. Therefore, you'll find that the sales dept. is going to push F&I "products" (X-service, Rust & Dust, etc.) to the extent that they can. They're justified in doing that as ANY retail business is. And, there's some degree of security in knowing that the vehicle is covered for the period of time you intend to own it.
HOWEVER... The F&I business is almost a "separate entity" within most dealerships... It survives on selling paper and contracts... Just as any number of "outside" insurance concerns will do the same.
I took delivery of the Quad over a week ago, and discussed the X-plan with the dealer... Wasn't satisfied with the price, because I'd found a far better deal via the net. I figure I'll beat the DC deal so long as I buy within the first year of ownership... Rather sink my spare bucks into accessories to protect the truck and bank the rest over the next 8-10 months since I'm covered under the 3/36 anyway.
Just one man's opinion! Go with your conscience, but do a bit of shopping around!
As sometimes happens, the Duraliner does not show, and that shoots down the lif installation. I really needed it all today, so I called a Tuffliner dealer who had the under the rail liner
in stock. Had the Westin bars installed, and when they went to lunch, drove to Burlington, NJ and had the liner put in the truck. Drove back to Willow Grove, PA and they hung the lid. A full day, but it turned out to be quite satisfying. Had the quad on the turnpike, and it is a runner. Absolutely love it and my buddies loved it as well. I am a happy camper.
Bookitty
page, which some of our posters having been exploring diligently.
Bookitty
Bookitty-- congats on getting the truck, please keep the rest of us quadwaiters up to date on the likes and dislikes of your Quad..
Let me know if the bars "creak" going into driveways, hills or whatever. My Smittybuilt ones are horrible, Godfathers reinstalled them, still horrible and on the third trip, they welded the brackets and they still creak badly. And I'm a hearing aid guy. Everyone who rides in my truck wants to know what the strange noise is (other than the Flowmaster). Going to have to get them swapped out, I guess.
Be careful out there.
CHAD
thanks and congrats,
mike
Marellano...With all due respect to Bookitty, I purchased my LAST drop in liner in 1987. Per the directions, I took it out after 6 months so that I could clean underneath it. Every area that the liner had contacted had worn the paint down to primer and in some areas, down to bare metal. Not only was my bedliner 6 months old, so was my truck! This was not a work truck I had hardly hauled anything in it. I've purchased several trucks since and switched to bed mats until the spray in liners came out, they are wonderful. In my opinion, the spray in liners are the only way to go, moisture can't get underneath them, so rust is not a problem. The textured surface precludes items from sliding around, a known problem with drop in liners. I've had Rhino liners sprayed in my last two trucks and this next one will have the same. I've heard that Line X makes a great product also, as do a few others. There is my .02 worth!
On the QC, I plan to do a liquid/plastic combo again, as I will be keeping this one for a while.
If I didn't plan on hauling much, I'd do the liquid only, but I'll be hauling ATV, firewood, etc.... I've had very good sucess with my last two. This is just food for thought for anyone who might be interested.
mike
Bookitty
I also use an A.R.E. tonneau cover. I have never removed the liner from my truck, because I always use the lids and have no water entry. I have never had a spray in liner, but some people really
rave about them. No personal experience on my part. I'm certain that you can get advice on this forum to be able to make an intelligent decision.
Once our posters read your individual needs, there
will be good advice forthcoming.
Bookitty
Bookitty I am glad you finally got your truck and wish you many happy miles!
I have 4500 miles on my 4x2 sport 4.7 auto and love it so far!
Thanks to everyone for the comments, information and advice in this forum. I can't begin to tell you how much all of you have helped me through the process of getting my truck. Now I'm looking forward to the help I can get buying all the accessories.
I ordered a Green SLT 4x4 with 4.7L, 5spd, 3.55, T&H, and SLT+ on March 27. Arrived at the dealer on May 4 and I picked it up on the 8th. After 8 days I absolutely love this truck. The ride, handling, looks, and power are great! So far no problems and I have checked for all that were posted here (bed alignment, etc). Also, I'm happy with the gas mileage. 1st tank was 18.6 and second was 18.4. Hoping to get 20 after break in.
Badassbob...I have the same set up and I'm also getting 2050 rpm's in 5th at 70mph. Havn't taken it much past that yet as I'm still breaking it in. Can't wait to try though.
Mark
Condensation will find its way into any "sealed" area.I keep all the fuel tanks full in my trucks,backhoe,and case farm tractor cause condensation can be a big source of water/rust inside these tanks,even here in Nevada where its quite dry. I'll take them for a spin once a month to keep fresh fuel in the fuel deliverly systems. I'll also transfer fuel when it sits to long in a infrequently used vehicle to a vehicle that I use more often.My 2 1/2 ton 59 Ford likes all the fuel I can give it. Hauls fire wood in summer plows snow in the winter.I've gone with the rubber mat from Pepboys $40 big ones.I can take it out, clean and inspect the paint, and reinstall, in about one min.
Bookitty
Ordered a Fold-a-Cover through a nearby Ziebart outlet, indicating that I would do the install (I'm picky)... The plan is to install the rails and test-fit the cover to assure it's going to work properly. Then remove the cover, mask off the rails, and have the same outlet spray a Rhino liner, including over-rail. I asked for additional material thickness on bed sides, front and tailgate... He agreed.
Reinstall the lid, then finish it all off by trimming a rubber bed mat I had in the Ram and dropping it into the Quad... The mat's been very good... Anti-slip, and adds a degree of impact protection to the bed floor.
While the drop-in liners I've had in previous trucks have been better than nothing, I've been a bit disappointed with cargo sliding (this the rubber mat) and some minor damage to the paint.
Anyone had any long-term experience with the Rhino liner? If so, what's the verdict?
I agree that it's great to have those "compartments" within the bed... Spent a good deal of time making up a slick "divider" out of 2X12 for the Ram... Drops into the detents in the bed sides and works wonderfully for keeping small items (gas cans, etc.) to the rear of the bed where they're accessible.
Plan to devise another homemade divider for the Quad, but section off the front of the bed rather than rear since the Fold-a-Cover allows quick access to space just behind the cab.
By the way... How's your truck running? Any first impressions/observations beyond what a kick it is to drive?
Does the cover open in such a way that it's out of the way, or does it remove easily?
Right now, it seems the best choice if you want lockability and maximum cargo flexibility is something like the Roll-n-Lock, but they're pricey.
For me, weather was a factor... Not so certain that the rolling cover would work so well with a coating of crusty snow and ice... Then again, I can't say at this point how the folding cover will work either!
As to completely removing the folding unit, can't comment on that either... The unit is due to arrive in 7-10 days. Once I have it installed, I'll give you something first-hand on that.