Actually, it's 22 city and 28 highway. That being said, I am guessing that a brand-spankin' new vehicle that gets almost 20 will rise another 1-2 MPG after it's broken in. I really do see a problem with the real world vs estimated mileage. Now you MIGHT have an argument if you think this sized vehicle should get more than 22 city MPGs. But that's a different argument.
I have owned my 07 CRV EX-4WD for 4 days now. I've noticed that sometimes when I turn the steering wheel there's a cranking noise it makes. Does this usually mean it needs powering steering fluid added or is this something a new car would normally exhibit during its break-in period? So far everything else is fine and I'm loving my CRV. If it does need power steering fluid, any idea how much that will cost and or if I should bring it to the dealer's to have look at it? Is it something I can add myself???
Any form of a two-piece tailgate is better than a hatchback. I use the glass only on my '97 CRV 80% of the time. Mostly, it's the fact that what you put in won't come pouring out unwantedly if you have the option of opening the top part of any two-piece tailgate. This new CRV is like a van--to fill up the back end with your luggage, or shopping bags, or hunting gear, etc...you have to finish up the pack job from the inside or it's NOT gonna stay put.
Actually, it's a big reason I haven't bought into the PILOT.
Some manufacturers "get it"--Ford, Volvo, some Land Rover models, for instance. In fact, many of their models even have bumper cladding--which the CRV has always had, and which ALSO simply makes sense. I am disappointed to see HONDA buy into these mono-chromatic color, van-like SUV trends. If they're not really going to make SUV's, then just put AWD in the Odyssey and be done with it.
I think the climate control in modern cars works just fine! Chances are good that if you hang a thermometer in a shady part of the car you will find the temp remains consistent.
The car changing directions, thus the occupants being placed in and out of direct sunlight will give the ILLUSION that the inside temp is not holding true.
On a given day the sun shinning into the driver side window may cause the driver to be uncomfortably warm, while the passenger is fine, and visa versa!
If both occupants are comfy with the sun overhead or behind the car, they may "overheat" if they change direction and the sun is coming in the front windshield, even though the actual temp inside the car did not change.
The same would be true just walking around outside. On a summer day there can be a big difference in the comfort level of being in the sun or in the shade even though the temperature is constant.
About the only way this could be overcome would be to "READ" the surface temp of the occupants and have "Split" Heat/AC units deal with the individual occupants.
Great articulation. On that note, the overachieving folks at Honda/Acura have evidently addressed the "solar effect" by linking the new Acura GPS NAV systems, like that on the 07 TL, with the Climate Control System. They do exactly as you explained, cooling more the sun-exposed occupant than one who isn't. Neat.
Well my whole concern is for the best MPG at a good price. For me HP is not important. Others think differently. But if all we have to go by is the MPG on the sticker then if it's less then the lowest posted estimage I have concerns. 19's is just too low for this type of auto.
For instance the FJCruiser states 18-22 MPG and that thing is a tank, the Rav4 24-30, Highlander 22-27, element 21-25
All 3 Toyotas I have owned basically get the high end of their MPG estimate reguardless of the type of travel I do.
Just hoping Honda comes up with some better numbers
I haven't seen the new CRV in person. But I agree the pictures make it look butt ugly.
All 3 Toyotas I have owned basically get the high end of their MPG estimate reguardless of the type of travel I do.
I can relate... on trips I average 33 MPG in my 1996 Accord; not bad for a car with 167,000 miles and an EPA estimate of 23/31. That's 2 MPG higher than the EPA says I should get.
In my 2006 Accord, the EPA estimates I should get 24/34 MPG. I generally get 39 MPG on most trips with A/C on and an average speed of 75 MPH. That's 5 MPG above estimates. In my normal mixed route, I get 30 MPG regularly, sometimes 28 MPG, sometimes 31 MPG, but 30 MPG pretty regularly.
Don't let one person's economy put you off... Everyone has different driving styles, different ideas of what "city" driving is, etc...
I drive very conservatively (rarely revving above 3,000 RPM unless necessary for safe merging).
The reason the toyotas usually get slightly better mileage is that toyota typically uses a numerically lower final drive ratio than honda so at any given cruising speed the T is running at lower rpms than the H. I've driven the new crv and it's nice and upscale from previous crv. you should drive both the crv and the rav and get the one that you like. I do think the vertical lift gate is much more convenient than the arcane swinging gate.
I get more MPG's than the sticker says on my 98 Accord and 93 Civic. The only car so far that I've had that gets BELOW what the sticker says is my 2006 RAV4 (I get about 21 mpg, all city). So all in all, I think Honda doesn't disappoint. With that said, if I had to do it all over again, and choose between the 2006/2007 RAV4 and 2007 CRV, I would still choose the RAV4 - just based on aesthetics alone, because overall they are still comparable.
What do you happy CR-V owners think of the maintenance minder? and don't you think that the odometer reading should be on the speedometer and not on the display that shows mileage for trip a or b.
Take it back to the dealer. this should be a free warranty fix. Some people would scream so loud they would make the dealer give them a new vehicle. Don't be shy.
I think Taffeta White, Whistler Silver Metallic and Glacier Blue Metallic comes with accessories looks great. What is your favorite color of Taffeta White, Whistler Silver Metallic, Tango Red Pearl, Green Tea Metallic, Nighthawk Black Pearl, Royal Blue Pearl, Borrego Beige Metallic, Glacier Blue Metallic?
I wish Honda CR-V should add new exterior colors of Clover Green Pearl, Tangerine Metallic, Premium White Pearl, Formal Black, White Diamond Pearl or different colors next year in 2008 CR-V model. What colors do you like? Hopefully they should redesign on front and rear platforms possible in 2008 CR-V model (no waiting please).
Door Visors Front Splash Guards Fog Light Kit Hood Proctector Tailgate Spoiler Moonroof Visor Body Colored Side Moldings Chrome Exhaust Chrome Side Steps; or Black Side Steps; or Running Boards Trailer Hitch; Hitch Harness; Hitch Ball Roof Rack
These Honda 17" SBC Alloy wheels feature a special process that looks like chrome but won’t tarnish like real chrome. Rugged, 5-Spoke design. Exclusively designed to be used with the factory TPMS system. Wheel Locks
INTERIOR: Interior Trim Kit (Accent the personality of the CR-V through stylish design. 9 trim pieces are included. For leather and non-leather models).
Ok, I traded my '05 SE for an '07 EX-L yesterday here in Pittsburgh. Got a reasonable deal...$19K for my 12,000 mile, 17 month old '05 SE, and $26,000 for the new ride.
Anyway, improvements:
1. Doors somewhat heavier. Feels like a "real car" now. 2. Ride also heavier. Again, feels more like a "real car". 3. No more hanging tire (although it really didn't bother me). Again, more like a "real car". 4. Two-level "heated seats". Hopefully you'll actually be able to feel heat on "high"...as opposed to the old CR-V's one temperature "puff of heat" that was worthless. 5. Auto lock doors. Great for my absent minded teenage daughter. 6. Headlights appear brighter, but not quite halogen level. 7. Feels peppier, although it's the same economical engine. (Maybe the peppiness is just psychological)
OK, above I listed my comments/observations. Now here are some questions.
1. What's the deal with the maintenance thingie? The book does NOT list a service schedule. In the real world, however, how often should the oil be changed? I am assuming that the max would be 10,000 miles/1 year as per the old CR-V (same engine).
2. Does this maintanence thingie actually sample the oil, or is it just a clock that measures 1 year or 10,000 miles? Or is it just a clock that has some OTHER schedule?
3. What's the deal with XM radio? I've used it before and don't find it worth my money, but I see that it's already hooked up/turned on in the CR-V. I am sure that at some point it will go away if I don't do something to subscribe. How and when do they cut me off?
Oh and I like the "drawer" under the passenger seat that can hold the owner's manual/warranty book/service book. That's stuff that's only used occasionally and it's nice to NOT be cluttering up the glovebox.
One more question: The rubber antenna hits my garage door (which doesn't open all the way...long story). So I unscrewed it and reception, including XM Satellite Radio, seems fine (I am in an urban area). I put the antenna in the glove box for those times when we travel. Do you think there is any problem/harm/downside to just leaving it antennaless most of the time? Again, we are in an urban area with strong AM/FM and I don't plan to subscribe to XM after the freebie is over.
Congratulations on the new CR-V! What color combo did you get? How do you like the leather interior?
Does removing the antenna leave a small threaded rod poking up? If so, I would be tempted to get a black plastic screw cap (or stainless steel acorn nut) from the hardware store to cover it up. That would be my only concern if the reception is otherwise unaffected.
Yeah, a stub remains. It doesn't bother me as a stub, however, and I want to be able to rescrew-in the antenna with easy when needed. So I'll leave it as a coverless stub.
Anyway, I got silver with black interior. My friend has a 9 year old Nissan Pathfinder (silver) that has only been washed 4 times and is not garaged. Convinced me that silver is the best color if you plan to keep it a long time and don't want to worry about it. This vehicle will probably become my teenage daughter's in 3-4 years when she is a junior/senior in college.
I can confirm that silver (and gold) are great low maintenance colors -- we have one of each right now and they hide dirt, scratches, etc very well. I happen to really like the look of silver or gold exterior with black interior.
The reason I suggested a cap is to keep the threads clean on the mount -- I don't normally worry about stuff like this, but have seen antenna threads get gunked up, making a simple job of reattching the antenna into a pain in the butt. I would put a dab of grease on the threads and slide the cap over. Most likely the CR-V shipped that way, so you might even be able to snag a cap from a new one that hasn't been prepped. Or just get one for a few cents at the hardware store. The last thing you want is to find that the antenna doesn't easily thread back on by hand when you need to reinstall it!
While washing my 07 CRV I noticed some of the door drain holes have rubber plugs. These plugs have a small flap to allow water to dribble out. Of the ten holes in four doors there are six plugs. Each door has at least one open hole.
My question is should these plugs be removed? Water drains more freely from the open drain holes than ones with plugs. Were they put in just for shipment? They come out very easily. Any knowledge of the purpose of these plugs would be appreciated.
Correct. Like previous Hondas, it DOES flash the lights the first time you hit the lock and DOES honk the second time you hit the lock button on the remote.
Interestingly, the horn is slightly less annoying than the horn in my 2005 CR-V and is even more benign when it sounds as a signal that the car locks (more benign than the loud "geese" honk of the 2005)
Re: #5 - auto door locks. You mean it automatically locks after you've parked and exited the car, or it locks at a certain speed after you start driving away?
3. What's the deal with XM radio? I've used it before and don't find it worth my money, but I see that it's already hooked up/turned on in the CR-V. I am sure that at some point it will go away if I don't do something to subscribe. How and when do they cut me off?
XM was free for three months on my Accord. Imagine that's still the standard. If you click XM after three months you just hear commercials for XM (merits of having the service). Then they flood you with mailings to renew (with strong discounts).
Sorry I was not clear. I mean that the doors lock when driving once you reach a certain speed (I haven't figured out what that is yet, but it's fairly soon after starting out).
I'm not sure how auto door locks work in newer Hondas, but in my TL, I have a way to program the door locks. It can be done at certain speed (10 mph I believe), or when you shift into/out of park. It may be the same way in the CR-V, and in your case, programmed to lock automatically at 10 mph. There should be more info on programming auto-lock in the owners manual.
Yes, that's very unnerving not to have a maintenance schedule. Frankly, I can't believe Honda would screw their dealers like this. Most people will get used to the computer and NOT do the (unnecessary, IMHO) 3000 oil changes that the dealers (over) sell.
For what it's worth, I have learned to do the maintenance by the book but not to do more. The vehicles last just as long, run just as well and get the same resale as those that are babied.
Thanks robr2 and daryll44 for the info on the door locking notification info. Its a quirk of mine, but its nice to know if you walk away from a car and remember you didn't lock it, that you wouldn't need to have to go back and see the lights flashing to verify its locked.
I had my new CRV EX-4WD for 6 days and i noticed the same noise when i turned in parking spots and stuff. I took it to the dealer and they told me that upon delivery they didn't fill the differential fluid for the AWD and they refilled and it still had to work through the system. I hope that is it. It is still making the noise but hopefully it will stop.
There is no hard copy maintenance schedule. Only maintenance data entry pages in the owners manual. Data that you're told to get from the maintenance minder readout on the dashboard.
My dealer where I purchased my 07 CRV said he cannot get me a hard copy maintenance schedule.
Looking for a EX-L with Navi here in South Texas, but none of the dealers are getting any until December time frame. Is this going on across the country? How much is the estimated invoice on a 2WD vs. 4WD EX-L with Navi?
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. Please let me know once you've noticed the sound has gone away or not. I've already made an appt with the dealership to have them look into it.
One reason that Toyotas show more mileage is that their speedometers are about 3 MPH fast which works out to better MPG on paper, but NOT in real life. I do dealer trades for both Honda and Toyota and use a GPS. Honda cars are within one mph of GPS, while the Toyotas mostly show 3 mph faster than GPS shows. I am just telling you my observations and fact!
The dealer didn't fill the differential for AWD? HUH? I don't buy that AT ALL. The vehicles are not shipped with without differential fluids. I guess it's possible that they dealer missed topping it off or something, but even that sounds very suspect. I would contact the Honda zone rep. If you really drove without differential fluid, you'll probably have a big problem before the warranty expires. But it's possible that you'll have the problem but not until AFTER the warranty expires. I would, at the very least, get something in writing in case you have a differential failure way down the road.
Get a copy of the maintenance schedule from an 06 CR-V owners manual at your dealer. This will serve you much better than the minder on the 07 CR-V, and don't forget to reset the minder after you do the maintenance because you will never have an accurate record of the maintenance that is needed. This is also true if you do the maintenance to early, it seems that this system will be a real pain to use.
By the way, the seats are a quantum leap better than my old '05 CRV. That, plus the "small car/feel every bump" ride always bothered me, although I really liked the vehicle. The '07 fixes both of those problems.
Just wondering what a new "screw on" attenna will cost? Mine hits the garage door. I tried to run the car without it, but I am having trouble with the FM radio reception after all. My next thought is to cut the antenna with a hack saw (that's what I did with my old '05 CR-V and it's old style "steel mast" antenna...I took off about 3 inches).
If I cut the antenna and fark it up, how much will a replacement cost? Can't be too much (or can it)?
I think I just bought my 06 4WD EX MT for about 21k. The msrp on the 07 is $24 or so? Alot of inflation compared to the difference between our 98 EX and the 06 EX. The 98 was about 20k.
Prices only went up about $500-600 from what I can tell. Are you sure you're comparing MSRP in both cases? Obviously, you should have gotten a hefty discount on the 06 at this point. And BTW, only auto trans is available in 07, so factor that as well.
Actually you're right. I'm comparing MSRP (which I think some are paying now?) to the price I paid. But my price included a few small options, destination and title and tax. Bought the 06 in Jan. Your are right about the transmission too. Auto adds about 1000 I think.
1998 CR-V EX/AWD would be far more comparable to 2007 CR-V LX/AWD now. The price difference is negligible (1998 EX MSRPed at $21K, and 2007 LX MSRP is $21.8K). Featurewise, you didn't get side airbags, side curtain airbags, vehicle stability assist, has a lot less power (126 HP compared to 166 HP now). The price jump is only $800, far less than what inflation would suggest.
Even 2007 CR-V EX is only $300 more than 2006 CR-V EX, while offering more features, and refinement of course.
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My only concern is that the new design cuts off a few inches of usable height in the cargo area.
The dealership was closed, so we couldn't test drive it, but my wife said, "That's my new car!"
Actually, it's a big reason I haven't bought into the PILOT.
Some manufacturers "get it"--Ford, Volvo, some Land Rover models, for instance. In fact, many of their models even have bumper cladding--which the CRV has always had, and which ALSO simply makes sense. I am disappointed to see HONDA buy into these mono-chromatic color, van-like SUV trends. If they're not really going to make SUV's, then just put AWD in the Odyssey and be done with it.
Now THAT makes sense!
The car changing directions, thus the occupants being placed in and out of direct sunlight will give the ILLUSION that the inside temp is not holding true.
On a given day the sun shinning into the driver side window may cause the driver to be uncomfortably warm, while the passenger is fine, and visa versa!
If both occupants are comfy with the sun overhead or behind the car, they may "overheat" if they change direction and the sun is coming in the front windshield, even though the actual temp inside the car did not change.
The same would be true just walking around outside. On a summer day there can be a big difference in the comfort level of being in the sun or in the shade even though the temperature is constant.
About the only way this could be overcome would be to "READ" the surface temp of the occupants and have "Split" Heat/AC units deal with the individual occupants.
Kip
For instance the FJCruiser states 18-22 MPG and that thing is a tank, the Rav4 24-30, Highlander 22-27, element 21-25
All 3 Toyotas I have owned basically get the high end of their MPG estimate reguardless of the type of travel I do.
Just hoping Honda comes up with some better numbers
I haven't seen the new CRV in person. But I agree the pictures make it look butt ugly.
I
I can relate... on trips I average 33 MPG in my 1996 Accord; not bad for a car with 167,000 miles and an EPA estimate of 23/31. That's 2 MPG higher than the EPA says I should get.
In my 2006 Accord, the EPA estimates I should get 24/34 MPG. I generally get 39 MPG on most trips with A/C on and an average speed of 75 MPH. That's 5 MPG above estimates. In my normal mixed route, I get 30 MPG regularly, sometimes 28 MPG, sometimes 31 MPG, but 30 MPG pretty regularly.
Don't let one person's economy put you off... Everyone has different driving styles, different ideas of what "city" driving is, etc...
I drive very conservatively (rarely revving above 3,000 RPM unless necessary for safe merging).
Our 06 CRV 4WD is getting 24/28 Burbs and Highway.
Our 06 Civic is getting 34/43.
Both are sticks, which are rated lower than the automatics.
Somethin is wrong with the car.
M
I wish Honda CR-V should add new exterior colors of Clover Green Pearl, Tangerine Metallic, Premium White Pearl, Formal Black, White Diamond Pearl or different colors next year in 2008 CR-V model. What colors do you like? Hopefully they should redesign on front and rear platforms possible in 2008 CR-V model (no waiting please).
EXTERIOR:
Before
Before
Before
Before
Door Visors
Front Splash Guards
Fog Light Kit
Hood Proctector
Tailgate Spoiler
Moonroof Visor
Body Colored Side Moldings
Chrome Exhaust
Chrome Side Steps; or Black Side Steps; or Running Boards
Trailer Hitch; Hitch Harness; Hitch Ball
Roof Rack
These Honda 17" SBC Alloy wheels feature a special process that looks like chrome but won’t tarnish like real chrome. Rugged, 5-Spoke design. Exclusively designed to be used with the factory TPMS system.
Wheel Locks
INTERIOR:
Interior Trim Kit (Accent the personality of the CR-V through stylish design. 9 trim pieces are included. For leather and non-leather models).
Anyway, improvements:
1. Doors somewhat heavier. Feels like a "real car" now.
2. Ride also heavier. Again, feels more like a "real car".
3. No more hanging tire (although it really didn't bother me). Again, more like a "real car".
4. Two-level "heated seats". Hopefully you'll actually be able to feel heat on "high"...as opposed to the old CR-V's one temperature "puff of heat" that was worthless.
5. Auto lock doors. Great for my absent minded teenage daughter.
6. Headlights appear brighter, but not quite halogen level.
7. Feels peppier, although it's the same economical engine. (Maybe the peppiness is just psychological)
1. What's the deal with the maintenance thingie? The book does NOT list a service schedule. In the real world, however, how often should the oil be changed? I am assuming that the max would be 10,000 miles/1 year as per the old CR-V (same engine).
2. Does this maintanence thingie actually sample the oil, or is it just a clock that measures 1 year or 10,000 miles? Or is it just a clock that has some OTHER schedule?
3. What's the deal with XM radio? I've used it before and don't find it worth my money, but I see that it's already hooked up/turned on in the CR-V. I am sure that at some point it will go away if I don't do something to subscribe. How and when do they cut me off?
Does removing the antenna leave a small threaded rod poking up? If so, I would be tempted to get a black plastic screw cap (or stainless steel acorn nut) from the hardware store to cover it up. That would be my only concern if the reception is otherwise unaffected.
Anyway, I got silver with black interior. My friend has a 9 year old Nissan Pathfinder (silver) that has only been washed 4 times and is not garaged. Convinced me that silver is the best color if you plan to keep it a long time and don't want to worry about it. This vehicle will probably become my teenage daughter's in 3-4 years when she is a junior/senior in college.
Does the CR-V do this?
The reason I suggested a cap is to keep the threads clean on the mount -- I don't normally worry about stuff like this, but have seen antenna threads get gunked up, making a simple job of reattching the antenna into a pain in the butt. I would put a dab of grease on the threads and slide the cap over. Most likely the CR-V shipped that way, so you might even be able to snag a cap from a new one that hasn't been prepped. Or just get one for a few cents at the hardware store. The last thing you want is to find that the antenna doesn't easily thread back on by hand when you need to reinstall it!
My question is should these plugs be removed? Water drains more freely from the open drain holes than ones with plugs. Were they put in just for shipment? They come out very easily. Any knowledge of the purpose of these plugs would be appreciated.
One can also see BMW, Lexus and Acura (of course). I guess it depends on one's perspective.
Interestingly, the horn is slightly less annoying than the horn in my 2005 CR-V and is even more benign when it sounds as a signal that the car locks (more benign than the loud "geese" honk of the 2005)
XM was free for three months on my Accord. Imagine that's still the standard. If you click XM after three months you just hear commercials for XM (merits of having the service). Then they flood you with mailings to renew (with strong discounts).
The one thing you won't find there ia a maintenance schedule.
For what it's worth, I have learned to do the maintenance by the book but not to do more. The vehicles last just as long, run just as well and get the same resale as those that are babied.
Its a quirk of mine, but its nice to know if you walk away from a car and remember you didn't lock it, that you wouldn't need to have to go back and see the lights flashing to verify its locked.
Joe
My dealer where I purchased my 07 CRV said he cannot get me a hard copy maintenance schedule.
Thank you!
This will serve you much better than the minder on the 07 CR-V, and don't forget to reset the minder after you do the maintenance because you will never have an accurate record of the maintenance that is needed.
This is also true if you do the maintenance to early, it seems that this system will be a real pain to use.
If I cut the antenna and fark it up, how much will a replacement cost? Can't be too much (or can it)?
M
Even 2007 CR-V EX is only $300 more than 2006 CR-V EX, while offering more features, and refinement of course.