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I can certainly see why they dropped them.
So, one might as well throw the numbers from dealer's lot out the window and start with a clean slate.
I just know these are going to cause me trouble!
I once lost a sale on a used Jeep Grand Cherokee. The buyer punched the MPG button and it read 9 MPG!
I didn't blame him!
-juice
Love my 2007 EX ... but it ain't ready for bouncing about the back 40!
I'm suprised - the cars at those manufacturer events are usually driven so mildly...
I took some beds back and forth between my house and my beach condo, about 3 hours, on a trailer. What if you get a flat on the rear axle?
Maybe they should pull a Land Rover and put a big spare on the hood or the roof.
-juice
Seriously, you don't have to be that far off the beaten path to want a real spare. On the road, you can always toss on the donut and get where you need to go. But with a real spare, you can get there on time, safely in the snow or rain, and not need to take care of the punctured tire immediately. And, as Juice mentioned, you can continue towing for the few people who do that sort of thing.
The last thing I want to do on a weekend vacation is spend time at a service station.
-juice
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The dealer is scamming you. Ask the dealer to show you the Official Honda information stating that 3750 is the normal interval, and you will see the dealer shut up. They want you to do unnecessary oil changes - at your expense.
That engine is almost certainly good for 10K miles for normal schedule and 5K for severe. Follow the maintenance monitor, or change it every 5K / 6 Months. But I bet the monitor keeps track of the months.
Stupid of Honda not to have included a maintenance schedule.
There is a rather disturbing connotation to the lack of a published schedule. It is unlikely that the needs of the engine (which is unchanged from 2006) have changed, so it needs an oil change every 6 months or 5K (severe schedule) / 10K (normal schedule). And, of course, the 15K "intermediate" and 30K "major" maintenance. So the vehicle must somehow know what schedule to use.
Let's see here. The CR-V has an external temp guage, so it knows if you are in hot or cold severe conditions. It can calculate the days elapsed since the last change, so it can figure 6 month minimum changes. And I bet it now has a "black box", and keeps track of how much the person has been using the accelerator, how often and how hard the braking is done, and the speeds traveled. So the onboard computer is calculating if the driver needs a severe or normal oil change interval (or has gone 6 months).
Big Brother, anyone? Of course, all this data is only used to determine oil change intervals, and would never be used to for any other purpose. At least, not yet. Except in case of an accident, when an insurance company or court of law could request the information at the time of an accident.
Honda is not alone in this; the government is pushing all manufacturors to store this kind of data to assist in studying accidents, to determine what went wrong. My 2006 Freestyle has an oil change gauge, but I think it works off of mileage or months. It will tell me to change every 5K or 6 months, whichever comes first. But my Ford also comes with a maintenance schedule.
Perhaps 2007 owners should watch their speed limits...
I should note that the other possibility is that Honda is just using the severe schedule for everyone and using the odometer to set the warnings. If everyone is getting 5K oil change notices, that will be the case.
V8 engine? If the owner is doing 5 mile trips continuously and has a lead foot, it's possible...
Car buyers must be told of black boxes
That engine is almost certainly good for 10K miles for normal schedule
Who wants to bet that the quick lube joints will be telling everyone that their driving is severe once word gets around that 3,000 mile intervals are overkill?
And if me or mine ever got into an accident, wouldn't it be better if the black boxes helped convict/exonerate the right party? The only reason to fear that "invasion of privacy" is if you are doing something wrong.
Steve
First of all, I am a CRV fan. My 05 EX is great (59K and avg 25.5 mpg!)
If I wanted a new vehicle now, the CRV would be first on my list.
I've seen one and sat in one.
Tonight, in parking lot at dusk, I was walking toward the store and seemed to be heading straight for the nose of an 07 CRV. I could tell by that distinctive two-level grill. I went over a slot or two to walk by and check it out...
But OOOOoooops...
It was a Pontiac AZTEK!!!
Sorry!
ATTENTION ALL CR-V AFICIONADOS: Honda of Japan has just released their version of the new CR-V! There is a version with a DIFFERENT and MUCH BETTER LOOKING FRONT END with a different top, middle and bottom GRILLE and revised bumper!!!! The version is called the MODULO URBAN STYLE PACKAGE! The REAR BUMPER is also modified and better looking! They also have Chrome door handles, bi-level rear view outside mirrors with turn signals and dual projection headlights!!! Driver's seat & suicide seat 8 way power seat + driver's seat [shiyukura] corporation make lumber support. The models are ZX, ZXi, ZL and ZLi. Go to http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2FCR-V%2F&l- - - angpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (This webpage has been automatically Google translated from Japanese to English) and click on the CR-V and search for the 'Urban Style' Package! If they bring this version to the North America they will sell 10 times as fast! Let's all petition Honda to make it a reality!!!!! :shades:
6 different exterior colors:
Premium White Pearl
Black Amethyst Pearl
Dark Ruby Red Pearl
Nighthawk Black Pearl
Whistler Silver Metallic
Borrego Beige Metallic
2 different interior colors:
Indigo black
Indigo black (leather)*
Ivory (leather)*
* The leather interior has used the part synthetic leather.
They have two different wheel sizes (17" or 18"). Brand name tires is unknown.
225/60R18 100H (4WD models: ZXi & ZX)
225/65R17 101S (4WD model: X only)
225/60R18 100H (2WD (FF) models: ZLi & ZL)
Being linked to the ignition switch at the time of switch ON, it expands and contracts, when raising high brightness blue color LED lights up. The case of the alleyway and parking which are narrow, it becomes standard of the distance impression of front left side.
By the fact that the cold cathode tube of the new illuminant is adopted in place of the former fluorescent light, actualizing being slim of design and accelerating of illumination. Adjusting to the LED spotlight and the taste which illuminate the armrest section, it equips LED [mudeiraito] which can change color from midst of 7 colors.
Go to click at http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2FCR-V%2F&l- angpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (This page has been automatically Google translated from Japanese to English).
Had to replace the rear end dope in my '03 Pilot for the "Moaning" noise is had started making when going forward or rearward with the steering wheel turned.
Honda dealer drained and replaced the fluid and the problem was gone instantly.
Kip
By changing your oil more frequently, you are wasting money, wasting oil, and harming the environment. And you're making the fat-cat dealer even fatter. Too-frequent oil changes are a myth that has been perpetuated by the oil-change industry for years.
Honda has really become environmentally friendly in recent years, and one result of that is that they are very realistic about oil changes. You'll notice the intervals have increased significantly on recent models -- our TSX has a 10K mile oil change interval, with the filter to be changed every other time (20K interval). I definitely trust their advice more than the dealer.
If you can reset the trip computer at will, reset it while under the conditions you want to check on, that will give results closer to what you might like.
Unfotunatley for some like my 2007 Camry, the milage calculator only rests at fillup, you cannot reset it yourself. That's bad.
Car manufacturers like to keep Cost of Ownership numbers down and a good way to do this is to minimize oil changes.
20,000 miles on the same oil filter?
I don't think I would like to buy your TSX after 100,000 miles although it wold probably run just fine.
An Aztek? Oh, give me a break!
She now wants a CR-V (she likes the styling better than RAV4, and she is in a Toyota family) or a Camry, and my aunt is ready to swap her 2005 Odyssey EX for a 2007 CR-V in order to get the better mileage and lower car payment.
Big stuff considering the Odyssey is still a much nicer vehicle, and that my girlfriend has been a Toyota loyalist until now.
As for my mom, she isn't too picky, but knows ugly when she sees it (Old Hyundai Santa Fe, Pontiac Aztek, you get the idea...).
Actually, the labor difference betweem changing the filter versus just draining/refilling the oil is significant on many Hondas nowadays. On most models, the filter is on the back of the engine down low, and is a royal pain to change. I seriously think they figured that in when going with the 20K interval.
Also, the efficiency and longevity of the oil filter will depend on the construction, the surface area of the filter materials, and the size of the particulates that are allowed to pass or be captured. Filters can easily go 20K miles if designed to do so. I am sure Honda's new increased intervals are due to improved filter performance. Filters have come a long way in the last 10 years.
Technically, the old filter should not pollute the new oil -- the worst a filter can do is clog up and restrict oil flow, but it's almost physically impossible for it to contaminate the new oil.
(I am a mechanical engineer and have some experience with lubrication filtering, so pardon the dissertation).
Car manufacturers like to keep Cost of Ownership numbers down and a good way to do this is to minimize oil changes.
20,000 miles on the same oil filter?
I don't think I would like to buy your TSX after 100,000 miles although it wold probably run just fine.
Seriously, unless you have real data that shows otherwise, I think you're kidding yourself that excessive oil changes make a difference. If it makes you feel better, OK, but it's total overkill in terms of the mechanical aspects of the engine (and like I mentioned earlier, it's bad for the environment). Personally, I trust the Honda engineers on this one far more than old wives tales....
There have been significant advances in filter technology in recent years. I have seen filters that have been sectioned and analyzed, and know they can be designed for almost any lifetime desired. Honda and other makes sell a 20K filter so it's not rocket science.
Sorry "Host" I could not resist.
Let me ask you...if you were shopping for a used car and you had a choice between two cars. One had been "over" maintained and the other received the minimum.
Which one would you buy?
Oil changes and filters are cheap and, yeah, I feel better spending a few extra dollars.
Well, if as you said, you are saving labor cost by not removing the old filter, then the DIRTY OIL THAT REMAINS IN THE OLD filter dilutes the new oil. Sounds like pollution to me.
I assume you have some other Honda/Acura product that has this system. CR-V is too new unless you drive 7500 miles per month!
But that is not at all the question. The REAL question is: HOW MUCH MORE WILL YOU GET when selling that babied vehicle. The answer is NOT MUCH! A normally maintained vehicle won't bring much more upon resale than a babied vehicle. Been there, done that.
I checked out the installation instructions for both the foglights and auto day/night mirror... Man, they've really complicated things these days!
So far, I've seen six '07s on the byways of central CT. I have to admit they look okay on the road -- but I wanted to report that all of them had a member of the female persuasion at the wheel.
My darlin dotter, the target market young female professional, saw one at her apt complex and decided it's what she'll buy when her current ride gets cranky. Interestingly, she said the new design is a lookalike for more upscale suvs. So she's gotten Honda's key message points.
Meanwhile, my missus is getting uncomfortably close to discovering that the ride has been improved over my '05 and that the new one is lower, which she would see as a benefit.
Well, anyone can buy what they want, but when I finally do get back in the market, I think I'll look at a Ridgeline.
Never mind the filter though -- there will be old oil in many other parts of the engine. Whether or not you change the filter, you're never going to completely avoid mixing old oil and new oil.
If I were looking at a private party used car and the owner told me he followed minimum requirements and only changed his filter every 20,000 miles I wouldn't buy the car. I would peg him as a cheapskate who probably skimped on other things too.
And, that oil filter is NOT hard to change!