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Trip computer is entirely cosmetic, and definitely not a necessity. It is something one can live without. And so can one, with the ability to turn on and turn off the headlights (BTW, I hate auto on AND off headlamps, unless there is a switch to override the feature).
Yes, it is. Basically a fancy odometer-counter. Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any problem remembering to get my car serviced every 6000km, or 6 months, whichever comes first, with or without any blinking lights or digital message.
"..unless there is a switch to override the feature"
As far as I know, most such systems have an "On" or "Off" over-ride.
Do you see where I wrote that anywhere?
I actually agree with you. I see little value in having one of these.
You don't read very well, do you? I said what is trival stuff to some people is of little significance to others.
And I gave up on the service schedule explanations. I tried, several times to explain there is a schedule in the Service History Book but I guess I didn't get through to you!
I don't either.
I also don't have a problem remembering to turn off my headlights.
I had my CR-V for almost a month and I still can't find this maintenance schedule that you claim exists. (neither can the dealer). Now that's funny.
As the Internet Manager, I no longer take the tests or the quizes that are required of the salespeople but I try to keep up and I should know these things.
I just looked and it appears Honda wants the CRV's maintained in conjunction wioth the maintenance minders.
It seems they are going in the direction of the European makes?
The maintenance minder is more than an odometer. It measures cold starts, short trips, excessive ideling etc and turn itself on as required.
As a person who overmaintains my cars, I wouldn't pay much attention to it but for people who believe in doing the minimum, it may be a good thing.
Sorry, but I was wrong.
Bullseye! For some people, a maintenance reminder is as important a safety factor as auto-off headlights. People who pay attention to their cars and their driving need neither. For people who don't, they're worthwhile features.
Different people have different ideas as to what is important and what is trivial.
Being able to remember something every 6000 km/6 months should make the habit of turning off headlamps "automatic".
We all know how big of a deal this is to you.
There you have it folks, the 2007 CR-V is tracking data based on driver actions. Though isell is indicating they are not checking throttle use, speed, or temperature. Temperature in particular is kind of puzzling, since the 2006 model indicates that one factor that creates "severe" conditions is high temperatures.
And heaven forbid someone should use an adjective where an adverb is required!
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because the owner's manual tells you to store the flat tire in the spare tire well.
Please no philosophizing.
Yes, I have used headlights during the day. NY state law mandates that whener the wipers are on, headlights have to be on as well. Does that mean that auto manufacturers have to wire the headlights with the wipers switch so that they come on automatically?
And, Yes, I turn my headlights on when entering a tunnel. And yes, on occasion, I would continue driving with the lights on. However, when I arrive at my destination and remove the ignition key the annoying buzzing would tell me that something is not right. Which is the "headlights on" warning buzzer.
And instead of asking the government to mandate that everyone conforms to your liking, you can buy the battery saver unit at any auto parts store. Installation takes 5 minutes.
Amen!
Amen!
I don't know -- I have a feeling all you guys who follow the severe schedule would appreciate it if the vehicle alerted you to additional needs -- what if an additional intermediate oil change was required, or something else went wrong? Everyone seems to be thinking the maintenance minder will be recommending the minimum service, but that's not necessarily the case. The old maintenance "reminder" lights did that, but the new system is far more sophisticated. In fact, if you really need the severe schedule I would expect the maintenance minder to indicate that. Who knows, it may call for even more stringent service than you think.
So I don't see a downside to it. You can still follow whatever schedule you want to obsess about and the car will tell you if additional service is needed. Seems like a good idea to me.
What if you don't hear it? Sometimes it's not an annoying buzzing. Sometimes it's a polite chime. Sometimes it's too noisy outside. Sometimes you're distracted 'cause some babe in a short dress has just walked by. Sometimes you wife's nagging at you (because you're eyeing the babe). Sometimes....you get the idea. You would object to a simple device that makes your life simpler?! They have automatic rain-sensing wipers. No one's bitchin' about that being unnecessary. Isn't auto-off headlights more useful and practical?!
If we were to take a poll with the "man on the street", and ask, all else being equal, if he/she would want to have auto-off headlights included at a nominal cost, I wonder what % would say "I don't want it. I want to turn the lights on and off by myself"? Probably a similar % that would say they prefer to roll their windows up and down manually, and walk around the car to lock the doors, would you think? But then, maybe I'm wrong, maybe a lot of people would prefer to buy a new car, then drive down to the hardware store, buy a battery saver, and go home and install it. Perhaps that adds to the "total ownership experience". :surprise:
To me, this is just like people complaining that Honda's doors lock back after 30 seconds if you unlock them with the remote and no door is opened. Sometimes in my 06 Accord, I want my lights to STAY on when I've got the car turned off (like when I got home late and inflated my other car's low tire in the dark driveway, I couldn't make the dang headlights stay on long enough, I had to keep opening and closing the door to make the lights-out timer reset).
I think that it is a neat feature, but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't have it. Besides, by using a little responsibility, you might check behind you and make sure of little things like
1.) your door closing all the way
2.) your doors are locked
3.) your lights are off
4.) you're parked properly in the lines
I always do a little mental check of how I parked to avoid things like a dead battery or a parking ticket.
Are you ever going to let this go???
Here's another way of looking at it.
Take my vehicle as an example. It's a 2002 Highlander, base model, 4 cylinder. The headlight switch has an additional position that turns on the headlights (and taillights, tunnel users) automatically when you start it - at full brightness. After you stop, turn off the engine, and then exit the vehicle, and lock it with the remote, it turns off the headlights. My previous 37 other vehicles did not have this feature. Now that I've got it, I really like it. (I've never replaced a head lamp or taillight since I've owned it.)
Now, can you admit that this pretty low cost feature may have been a good thing for Honda to include in the CR-V re-design? Lots of upside potential here, and dang little downside.
And then can you, as a sales professional, stop telling people here how they need to get over this oversight on Honda's part, and just turn off their headlights manually - and instead carry the above information to Honda and tell them that this is something that competitors have, and people in the CR-V Forum at Edmunds seem to want?
Sell this idea to Honda, and you'll have a lot of friends here.
I do give Isell credit though - he's upfront about what he does. There are others posting at Edmunds that aren't so upfront. So let's all cut him some slack, and read his posts with a grain (or two) of salt, if you need to.
I like the idea of car salespeople actually reading Edmunds.com, educating themselves about their product and the competitions' products as well. They should all get to see the issues in the Forums. Most of them don't take the time - Isell does.
It's only when he dismisses and marginalizes people's observations and opinions that he does the disservice to himself, his profession, his Dealership, and his Marque - not to mention the other posters. I read every post of his, in any case. Some others: not so much.
The fact that you do go thru this mental checklist (and I agree that it is a prudent thing to do) means that it's something that requires you to expend some time and energy. Now, Honda can't help you close your doors, or park within the lines, but it could easily help you turn off the lights. Would that not be a good thing? It's a simple, low-cost device. It's not going to make the car unaffordable. And I would venture to guess it may even help Honda sell a few more cars. Given the market direction in which Honda appears to be moving the CR-V towards, this feature should have been included. I think Honda, quite simply, dropped the ball on this one. I think if you can find a salesperson, who can be honest and candid(not on these boards) with you , he/she will agree.
You're right -- he does not hide the fact he's a Honda salesman.
"...when he dismisses and marginalizes people's observations and opinions..."
That is precisely my problem with him. He does that far too often and consistently. He only seems to ease up when he's called out.
People were complaining about the fact that the CR-V didn't have automatic headlights
When in fact, all they (you) want at this point is:
Headlights that turn off 30 seconds after locking the car, or something of this sort.
I don't think I was particularly demeaning in the posts I had made, but I apologize to people like you, bodble, because I was confused on what it was people were talking about in the first place. I guess that is bound to happen in a forum with so many posts over so little time.
My Accord has the auto-off feature, and while I don't think it has ever saved me a dead battery (I usually turn them off), it is nice to make the lights come on upon unlocking the car in a dark, shady-looking parking deck before I approach the car. A nice safety feature (this only works when leaving the lights in the "on" position of course!)...
I hope everyone has had a blessed Sunday so far...
Thegrad
Honda...are you reading these forums?? I think so!
I just said that in my opinion, this is a trivial thing.
For those who have trouble remembering to turn off thier lights or for whatever reason can't hear the loud and annoying chime than I guess it's big deal!
I worked the show in 1996 when the first 1997 CRV was shown.
For some reason, they decided to put it on a revolving platform where nobody could get in it.
I never heard so much complaining!
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