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By the way, Dodge/Chrysler currently has the worst interior in the industry. That title used to belong to GM but not anymore thanks to the new Aura, Malibu and CTS.
Would you mind to explain why the Azera would kill your back?
So foreign cars are just junks to you huh? Let me ask you something, have you been living in a cave for the last 40 years or what? This is year 2006 (soon to be 07') not 1965 anymore. Your beloved big 3 (or should I say big 2) are the benchmark of auto industry anymore. Now they are playing a game call "catch up". The Japanese and Germans have lead the industry in both technology and refinement for the last decade or so and now the Koreans are coming too. So, pop, let's be more open-minded shall we?
Is it that or you are simply a racist?
By the way, your beloved Dodge is own by Germans.
The EPA goes by interior volume not exterior demensions.
I know it just kills you...don't it? LMAO
However...isn't the Lexus LS a large sedan? That's foreign, any Benz E-class and above...that's large and they're foreign. Hmmmmmmmm...someone's thinking is flawed I do believe.
Oh yeah...I am 6'2" and when I sit in my Azera, I have no issues with front leg room, head room, hip room, shoulder room, nor do passengers that ride behind me have any complaints. Yep...it's a large sedan!!!
Toyota, Honda and Nissan have proved to be excellent and it has taken them a couple of decades.
I remember the Hyundai Ponies, Stellars and the crap they use to produce so it will take a while for most people to forget.
I guess it would hurt your feelings to know that Hyundai produces engines that are used in Acuras and Mercedes for their global markets.
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=91107&acode=USB60MEC021D0&restor- - e=false
Pasadena, CA. $25,820
Options:
Conventional spare tire.
BSW tires and aluminum wheels
Leather Seats
Heated seats
Audiophile CD changer/audio
Moonroof
Side airbags
Laminated Side glass(simmilar to last gen S500 - double thickness)
Two-tone paint
Trunk organizer
Perimiter alarm
Foglamps
Dual exhaust engine
Handling package
Ie - loaded like no Buick LaCrosse is.
A more normally outfitted version would be in the 22-23K range. If you want a good large car, it's a very nice alternative to a LuCerne or Avalon - for a lot less money.
This is the Ultimate edition, so traction control, and almost all of the goodies other than leather seats comes standard. Gotta love year-end sales.
We've gone through this...
The Azera stays. Next subject...
Who said it is all "right"? The Azera is a brand new car and it will take time to prove that they are as good as the competition.
Wait for the Consumer Report and JD power reliability ratings.
The Grand Marquis/Crown Vic/Town Car same platform.
Sure its nice when driving in the city where there are lots of pot holes but on the highway at 90 mph it floats and very scary to control.
The Charger has a wheelbase of 120 inches while the Azera has a 192 inch wheelbase.
Should have read:
The Charger has a wheelbase of 120 inches while the Azera has a 109 inch wheelbase.
Yes, no? :confuse:
Best Regards,
Shipo
HYUNDAI DOES PRDUCE ITS OWN ENGINE.
The one that's partnered with Mercedes is Saanyong (not sure about the spelling). Also Acura doesn't produce engines, it uses Honda's.
Now your credibility has gone down to the drain...
Let's all worship the DCX...
Agreed. For the benefit of those who seem to want to argue that point (xtec), here's a link to the EPA web page that allows you to look up the EPA's size classification of a vehicle:
EPA Size Class Lookup
Ok, lose the personal attacks here.
Just because I am interested in cars and know a little bit about them, in this case, the Azera being a full-size, you automatically assume I have a Hyundai? Incorrect. Next subject...
Have you seen the Azera's production line before? Yes/No?
Have you sit in an Azera before? Yes/No?
Have you driven one before? Yes/No?
Have you compare the interior material between the Azera and Charger before? Yes/No?
Have your V8 Hemi Charger (if yours is a V8) get smoked by a V6 IS350 before? Yes/No?
If all your answers are No, then you'll need a reality check.
I don't know where your anger and vitriol towards Hyundai is coming from, but I own 2 Hyundais right now (2004 Sonata LX and 2005 Tucson LX AWD) and both have been virtually trouble-free. And before you attack me as a Hyundai fanboy, I have owned many different brands of cars in my 35+ years of driving and even worked in the auto service and parts business years ago. And I can definitely say that my 2 Hyundais are among the best-built and trouble-free of all the cars I have owned and driven.
Look at the Size Class - LARGE
Just for kicks:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2001cartablef.jsp?id=22844
We are not trying to trick you
Give it a rest xtec, you don't have a clue.
The difference is 0.2 seconds to 60 (regular Hemi) so the difference is very slight and if you compare the 6.1L SRT8 its the IS350 that's getting smoked.
Have you compare the interior material between the Azera and Charger before? Yes/No?
I don't know what the fascination with interior materials is?
You aren't the only one. My car has a leather interior and its good quality. But who really cares if the dash is great to the touch or has the right quality of vinyl? Do you get horny by the touch of soft rubber?
Good going Mopar. No doubt it's still the leader in technology like xtec stated...
Sorry, I don't get horny while touching great interior, don't even know if that could happen, apparently you have a lot experience in this area...
Interior fit and finish is very important to me because that's where I spend most of my time. If you can't tell the difference between Honda/Toyota's interior and Dodge/Chrysler's then I am sure you'll be happy with whatever you have. To some others, Dodge's interior simply just won't cut it.
The IS350 has a 3.5L producing 306HP/277 lb/ft.
I know the Charger is 600 lbs heavier but it should still easily beat the IS350 with the benefit of an extra 113 lb/ft torque but it doesn't. It must be the transmission gear ratios.
However, I wouldn't mind to discuss Charger vs IS350 with you anytime in a right place since I personally have first hand experience.
Interior fit and finish is very important to me because that's where I spend most of my time
Nice try buddy. You are the one who brought up the topic of interior quality finish. You know something we all don't. :P
I never said the foreigners building plants here was a bad thing for the U.S. I was saying the U.S. car companies are failing to make a profit making cars. Maybe that is a result of junky cars, poor marketing, overpaid workers and management, too high prices, public perception, etc. (Did I read somewhere that the new Hyundai plant has hired only non United Auto Workers employees? And how about Toyota, Honda and Nissan? Are they also non-union plants?)
Check the headlines: U.S. companies are eliminating car divisions and nameplates and shutting down factories in the U.S. They are laying off or buying out workers by the thousands. That does not do much good for the economy. Corporate profits from designing, making and selling cars go back to the country where the company is based. For foreign car companies, that is somewhere other than the U.S. Get it?
And I am defining profits as the amount of money left over AFTER paying for rent, taxes, physical plant, materials, wages, executive officers' year end bonuses and coffee in the break rooms.
U.S. manufacturing, and not just cars, is going down the tubes. And the reason is chiefly taxation (both the obvious direct and hidden indirect varieties) and regulation. A good example of hidden taxation is the huge increase in the "money" supply in the U.S. Lets call that inflation, ok?
The Asian countries have been buying U.S. debt for so long now they have accumulated trillions of U.S. dollars. They are now using those dollars to buy up the U.S. Factories, skyscrapers, real estate developments, retail chains, restaurants, etc. Not a good thing for the U.S. either.
Remember when TVs and radios were made in the U.S.?
Oh well.
Nevermind.
Fat butted people rejoice! And then line up at your local Dodge dealer.
Oh, ok. I get it now. If your car takes up more space in your garage it should be classified as a large car.
Nevermind that the EPA classifies both the Azera and the Charger as large cars.
Size class is based on usable space for passengers and cargo. Not garage space or inefficient use of materials used in the car's construction.
Azera and Charger, both large cars. But Azera uses garage space more efficiently. Is that a bad thing?
Fat butted people rejoice! And then line up at your local Dodge dealer.
It's called junk in the trunk.
No, the reason is that I am used to sitting with my legs wide open. I hate to sit in a car and feel like I am sitting in Economy.
Have you driven a car that has bench seats? It feels very roomy and comfortable.
And we need to stick to the cars, let's leave the conversation about "foreign" plants, taxes, economy, etc. for another discussion.
There's still some holiday cheer on the table over there in the corner. Why don't you all have some. We'll make a toast to the fact that we are all entitled to choose our vehicles based on our own individual preferences!