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Tread patterns actually can restrict acceleration as some patterns create more friction...you know, like how performance tires have directional tread and most non-performance tires have non-directional tread!!! The compund the tires a made from is what aids in traction. If it had to do with tread, then explain why slicks are preferred in straight line races.
is what I said - and if your are going to tell me that I could pit a specially outfitted (go cart springs) Azera against a Maxima let say outfitted with the sloppiest set of Buick springs ever made - and under those conditions the Azera now magically outaccelerates the Nissan - I'll take that bet. I guess my Avalon Touring must therefore outaccelerate the the other 'softer' versions? Not!
Have you pitted your Avalon Touring against the others with the softer suspension?
I would take that bet to...confidently!!!
P.S. There is no "magic" to it. Why don't you take an up-to-date physics class and you'll understand.
Allmet, I have to agree with you that suspension is important for acceleration. There is an article about it on a different informational site. Basically suspension as related to acceleration improves contact between pavement and tires.
Also since Avy, Max and Azy are all FWD cars unfortunately they need tighter suspension to provide more grip to front tires though physics are pushing vehicle's weight to the rear.
The difference was unbelievable. I don't know what the timed difference in the qtr. mile was, if much at all, but the car just leaped anytime you hit the gas. I could definitely tell the power was going immediately to the ground. It felt much quicker at launch and at each gear change. I have no doubt suspension setup has an affect on acceleration.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Also why would a flagship use engine from a basic car. Genesys Engine options according to Edmunds are 3.3, 3.8 and 4.6. I understand last 2 but using 3.3 in flagship? It like using 2.0 and 2.5 in 04+ Maxima or 2.4 in Avalon.
1) Genesis (what's Genesys?)
2) Look up defn. for steal/theft
3) Then look into the details of the Genesis logo, oh by the way, it's only for the S. Korean market
4) Prelim. engine output reported:
3.3L 265hp
3.8L 290hp (coupe 300+hp)
4.6L 370-380hp
The 3.3L isn't coming to the US, it's only for the domestic (S. Korea market).
In theory, yes, but in this case, Hyundai's warranty is actually doing more good than hurting the maker. Since its fast improvement in quality and reliability (started in the late 90s), repair costs have actually decreased by half vs. pre-10/100K program.
People may argue its warranty as a gimmick, I'd say Hyundai is standing behind its product. That, plus Hyundai has been making quality products. Both go hand-in-hand.
I highly doubt Korean govt is subsidizing Hyundai; Hyundai's got a huge bankroll.
These forums have been very active, enjoyable as well as informative.
At times the postings have been a little heated and sometimes even hateful.
I suggest that in the year to come we attempt to express our opinions without getting slammed by another participant having a different perspective.
The information that I have garnered from these posting have far exceeded that provided by the company or dealership. I thank you all for your participation, and hope that we will continue in the year to come.
Have a happy, healthy and safe holiday season and new year!
Floridabob
Imagine if the Avalon had grippier tires!!! Not only would it be faster, it might be able to give it a go in that department, but that's the difference between one being "sport" tuned and the other being "touring" tuned. Sport doesn't lend itself to overall ride comfort, it's about performance. Touring doesn't lend itself to performance, but rather ride comfort while offering some aspects of performance.
I think Captain was taking what I was saying the wrong way. I'm not saying that if you tightened up the Azera's suspension, then all the sudden it would just beat the Maxima off the line, no...that's not what I said. I did say that at tighter suspension would help the Azera get off the line a bit quicker.
I think it is a Hyundai.
Wow, apparently you have no idea about how South Korea's economy works.
I'm not mad that they emulate other makes when it comes to exterior design. It actually takes the pressure off them so they can focus on getting the other things right, like durability, fit and finish, reliability, dependability. Once they start getting those things right consitently and it becomes 2nd nature for them, then you can look for them to branch off and bring some orginal designs to the sheet metal.
Heck, I know if I were breaking in to the industry, I'm gonna take a look around at all the things that do work for the consumer and emulate those things myself. I mean...mockery is the best form of flattery, or so they say!
Keep in mind that in the picture, the tail of the car is a lot closer to the lens of the camera than the front is, making the front look smaller. Not to mention the camera angle makes it appear as if the car is going downhill.
By the way, how can a car "looks" FWD or RWD? :confuse: If I totally have no knowledge about a car the only evidence that'll give me a hint about it being FWD or RWD is the front over-hang. Generally speaking a RWD car will have shorter over-hang than a FWD car. Other than that I really don't understand how else can one just "look" at a car and know it's either FWD or RWD.
The high rear and low front design scheme is very popular now with all major manufactures. It certainly helps the aerodynamics and at the same time gives cars a more aggressive look.
First interior shots I've seen...
Hyundai Genesis Gallery
As for Azera, aside from the Bangle butt I can't see it resembles any other car and that's including the S-class. I don't consider Bangle butt an unique BMW design anymore because it got so popular now that many other manufactures have their own versions if it. For example look at Hyundai, MB and Toyota/Lexus.
You can't say the "bangle" butt isn't BMW unique anymore, but it started with them. If you look at the front end of the Azera, you can see an Acura in there.
Funny you don't think the Azera resembles a Benz in any way. A buddy came to visit me and I let him drive my car while he was here. He took his family out to dinner and when they came out, his daughter walked up to a black Benz S-Class and stood there, waiting for him to unlock the doors. He said he walked over there and hit the button and nothing happened. He said he looked again and realized that it was a Benz. He said all 3 of them just stood there and laughed a few minutes before moving on to the real Azera.
With my rims on...I was loading groceries in the trunk and a guy walked by and said, "Sharp looking 730i you got there!" I laughed, pulled the trunk lid down and showed him the italicized "H" and he went crazy! "Don't tell me that's a Hyundai...that can't be a "explicative" Hyundai!!!"
You're one of the rare ones to think the Azera does not resemble any other cars out on the road my friend.
Like I said, give them time...they'll venture out there and create something unique for their nameplate. Actually, have you seen the Genesis Coupe???
I see a bit of Toyota Celica and G35 Coupe in there.
As for the Bangle butt, yes it started with BMW but it is not an unique design for them anymore because there are many different versions from various companies. The VVT technology actually started with Fiat but who still think VVT is unique to that company anymore?
there is no doubt that there is a 'huge' bankroll but I am not sure whose.. As louiswei notes, you need some lessons in how the S. Korean economy works - something I do have some direct experience in working at a Hyundai shipyard in Ulsan, Korea about 20 years ago. It goes like this, the Korean government targets a particular industry that they feel the Koreans should be good at and subsidizes the Korean Co's efforts to be competitive in that business. The net result was, of course, that Hyundai was low bidder on contracts (with American Cos.) by outrageous amounts - typically $100 million to build something in the US, but half that price to deal with Hyundai (and Daewoo/Samsung etc.)- why - because Hyundai et al really didn't underrstand what anything really costs or was worth, but didn't really care because the $50 million got them the order (of course) and they always had the government subsidizing the other $50 million of losses. This kind of thing has been going on for years and years, the Japanese did it as well, and since, the Koreans, by necessity, have become quite a bit more competent in about everything they do. As a people they have an admirable desire to learn.
Hyundai, at the tiem was manufacturings something called a 'Pony' and was generally fitted to run on LPG. It was a piece of junk not too far from what later became the Excel over here. Hyundai's CEO just got in a whole bunck of trouble over there for a bit of corruption so it would surpirse me if the same degree of subsidizatiion still exists given that even Hyundai has chosen the 'made in USA' route BUT if you don't think that is how things have worked, can work, and possibly are still working - wake up and smell the roses.
All this said, BTW, I have nothing but respect for Korean friends, it is one of the few places left on earth where a real work ethic still exists.
When the Azera first dropped, the "bangle" butt was still a pretty new look, then The Avalon & Camry got it, then you started seeign it pop up everywhere. Another thing you're confusing is looking like and having similar lines as well. Cars can share similar lines and still not look alike. Which is what I think folks mean when it comes to comparing the Azera with a Benz.
I'm sorry that you're just so technically competent that you don't see things the way us normal folks do.
Who said anything about VVT???
One thing I will give Nissan, the Maxima was definitely a pretty unique design, well...till they made the Altima and Sentra share some of it's look! However, the concept Maxima that's puported to be upcoming....looks like a sleek Avalon.
Thanks for the compliment.
Who said anything about VVT???
I brought up the VVT as an example to validate my argument about Bangle butt is not BMW unique anymore.
As for the Bangle butt, actually MB was quick to adapt with the S-series. Oh, and don't forget Maybach too. Other cars that have Bangle butts include Nissan Maxima and Acura RL, so yeah, I maintain that the Bangle butt is really not unique for BMW anymore.
Just in this segment there are at least 3 cars with different styling Bangle butts. How's that unique to a certain brand?
Lets hope so, something to differentiate it from the really sharp new Altima (IMO) - one of the problems that Nissan has created for itself since the 2002 Altima 3.5. Not that many years ago, when 'full size' meant something smaller, the Altima was only available with a 4 banger, and the '4DSC' Maxima was something truly unique - and fun.
Like I said in an earlier post, splitting hairs...the American way.
Look here man, currently...it is not a unique BMW attribute. As I stated, at the time the Azera was dropped, it was still pretty much considered a BMW trait. We are now a few years removed from that, and yes...many cars sport some variation of that design element, but none make it look as good as BMW has. Yes Benz was quick to jump on it (Maybach...of course, it's a Benz...but of course you knew that already too, huh?) :surprise:
So...with so many cars sharing that design cue, how you can you even jump out there and try to say that the Azera is unique in design? I guess if you were truly technically competent...you would have realized that faux pas. You can't make a statement about a car being unique in design and yet...it shares design elements with many other cars that are on the road as well.
You're right, I'm sorry oh great and powerful Oz. I actually made a mistake myself. The "bangle" butt look actually goes back to the Volvo S80...I'm sure someone may even find it on something else. However, when BMW redesigned the 7-Series...they made it one sexy car, and that really amplified that look.
I am not trying to split hairs but simply make a statement that says: The Bangle butt design was originated by BMW but since it is widely adapted by the industry so it is not unique to BMW anymore.
I failed to see what's wrong with that statement.
I would also argue about that nobody makes it as good as BMW. IMO BMW's "original" Bangle butt on the 7-series was probably the ugliest of them all. At that time I was a firm hater of this design cue but after saw the MB version on the S-class I found myself quickly warm up to it. Different stroke for different folks I guess.
As for Azera, I still failed to see it resembles any other cars whether it is design cue, lines or the overall design scheme.
Riiiiight. ?
Nope, still not getting it.
What did you expect BMW to get it right on the first try? Maybe they didn't, but they sure perfected it. Just admit you're not a BMW person and that'll settle that. SHEESH!!!
You may be techincally competent, but obviously blind. You choose NOT to see the similarities the Azera has with other cars. Like I said before, you're the rare ONE that can say the Azera is a totally unique design by Hyundai! *snicker*
And btw, while I do understand how the BMW worked its way into the conversation originally, it really doesn't belong in this discussion so let's get back to the topical vehicles.
Azera 0-60 6.8 1/4 mile 15.293.6 263HP
Avalon 0-60 6.2 1/4 mile 14.896.2 268HP
If the difference above is worth $4,000, I'll stick with the slug.