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Actually it really doesn't matter because the government can't afford Azera and Avalon anyway...
It depends. I recently heard that NYPD actually prefer Impala because it's FWD so more useful in snowy conditions.
I am with you scbob. I wish there was a way to delete this topic off my monitor.
no actually we are all rather consistent - allmet is the guy that is always contending that Hyundai's (in his case) longer warranties are a good sign of a cos. faith in its product and that it must mean better quality because otherwise it would cost too much to offer - I am the one that will claim it is nothing more than a marketing gimmick, is rarely used, and, if anything, is more likely to be hiding suspect quality - or at least that reputation. Extended warranties are offered as a means to sell more cars - nothing more, nothing less - but certainly not indicative of any product qualities, good or bad. .
I'm happy to hear that you (or anybody) had particularily good luck with Chrysler products - consumer surveys and ratings would certainly support that you are more an exception than the rule. I guess you don't want to hear about a ridiculous design Chrysler used on its trucks about 10 years ago - that had me replacing entire trannies 3 times in 150k, and how 'reluctant' Chrysler was to stand behind their product/admit to their mistakes - do you? Ended up having to throw the truck away, eating several grand, and somehow I have this policy to never get within 100 miles
1. They have no problem moving it
2. They make way more profit by selling them through retail
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
However...I would have to agree with you on some degree. The Azera is one of the more unique vehicles Hyundai has produced. The only one I can say was more unique was the Santa Fe (older model). There was nothing on the road like it prior to, during or after it!!! LOL
Now why would I wanna shoot you, then we wouldn't be able to have colorful debates!!!
I hate to break it to you, but I've had my Azera going on 2 years, with just over 40K miles on it and I have not had any problems at all. The only tranny issue was a wide open throttle shift from 1st to 2nd and a tranny re-flash took care of that. The suspension...not a thing wrong with mine at all.
Don't go looking on another forum for one or two postings where someone talks of an issue they are having and automatically chalk it up to the model in its entirety having those very same issues. No car will ever exist that doesn't have a few per 100 with an issue or two. Last I looked, Hyundai had higher marks in that department than Mopar did.
Police departments will pretty much always buy American made because the American companies will offer deep discounts on fleet sales. The imports will do no such thing. Also, the reason taxi companies can buy used police cars and drive them for years afterwards is that most taxi companies have their own mechanics to work on them. You have no clue as to how many times taxi cabs go down and how often they are in for repair. In their case, the little money spent on them is worth it since they make so much more than their worth.
As far as the actual price paid by a police department...the fleet sale price is bare minimum and I guarantee that the police departments are getting the Charger R/T's for about the price of the Charger SE...if not less!!!!
Uh, really? That's funny because I used Edmunds to build me a bone stock Charger R/T and Avalon Limited with typical equipments and:
Avalon Limited:
MSRP: $37,075
TMV (what people are actually paying): $36,990
Charger R/T:
MSRP: $32,380
TMV (what people are actually paying): $31,432
TMV after incentives & rebates: $28,432
This is what he heard recently!
Regards,
I find it hard to believe that they would have that much power.
that stated that there were to be no 2008 Azeras.
There's nothing worse than a uninformed salesperson.
Hmmmmm, so now the Koreans have decided to compete with AMG BMW "M" and SRT , all for under 40k? Sign me up!
No 2008 Azera is more believable than a 420hp Genesis.
Add Nissan GT-R to the list and Audi RS6. Under $40K 420 horsepower, sheesh I might even set aside my perceptions and take one for a test drive. Now if only they are 420 real horses.
We should find out the exact figures very soon!!
Hyundai has a reputation for misstating hp claims in the US, as was the case with the '02 Santa Fe 6
A recent software change has made this more important than ever. A too-wide picture prevents a number of posts appearing on its same page from being read. In the future, I will be removing pictures that cause this distortion.
I'm sorry about this, but it cannot be helped.
"Car X will have X number of horsepower" said dealer, but only to arrive on the market with Y horsepower (less than X). If you had believed the dealer and formulate the hp was mis-stated when car X only came with Y horsepower, then the very defn. of rumors would cease to exist.
Here is the bottom line, Lambdas are very flexible, as we have seen. The Genesis will feature the second generation (increased hp/fuel economy) Lambdas, as are many other models in the lineup. The 305 rumored output in the Genesis is as a result of direct injection, among other reasons, vs. non-DI Lambda in the upcoming Azera facelift, which will probably be in the range of 275.
The optional Tau 4.6L V8 is very powerful, based on early reports - rumored to have a power rating of around 380hp. In addition, the other two known engines in the Tau family include a 5.0L and 5.5, with superchargers.
In fact, it's not like other car companies haven't had similar issues, Honda, Toyota, Ford, and others have all overstated hp (some were 20 over). And those owners didn't get anything. IIRC, everyone was defending Honda, Toyota, saying no one was mis-led, they were the same engines...
Anyway, I am more concerned by automakers issuing recalls only after flaws had resulted in consumer injuries and/or fatalities.
Back to this ridiculous hp issue at hand, "NA spec 420hp; S. Korean 370hp", right on the surface, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, think about it...
PS, to my knowledge, the South Korean market isn't getting the V8.
And let's just get this out of the way - the V8 coming to America isn't putting out 420 at launch; this is rubbish non-info from some dealer without much knowledge. Anyone still believing this, and feels being mis-led when official info is released, well, I hate to say it, these individuals deserve the highest honor of gullible-ness
From what I read on one site...
V-8 version will pack 375 ponies, a mid-level with a 3.8 V-6 will pack 325 hp and a base level with the 3.8 V-6 will pack 290 hp.
Lexus heard the cries and made the GS line AWD and the Charger/300/Magnum all come with an AWD offering as well. To me, this was smart because there are areas where AWD really isn't needed, but in areas were you get a lot of rain and or snow...could prove useful in the models packing 300+ hp.
Given the fact that many of the younger generation have NEVER driven a RWD, I wonder how many of the buyers above even understand the difference. Some may be in for a rude awakening when the snow falls. I suspect that much knowledge on how to drive on snow or ice with RWD cars has not been passed on.
Exactly my point, do people, in general,, start avoiding these high HP RWD cars simply because they won't be able to drive them and are more 'comfortable' with the FWD selections we already have?
That fact that a good number of those that post in this forum grew up driving RWD vehicles in every condition imaginable is cool and you probably wouldn't have a need for it, but we're talking about the younger ones that don't have that experience and need all the help they can get.
Yeah...AWD may add some weight, complexity and other variables, but in the grand scheme of things...the pay off is worth it if that means that others driving around them are a bit safer.
Me and my wife just bought the Saturn Outlook which is a FWD vehicle w/AWD as an option. I opted for the AWD because even though I can drive anything out there no matter what, I want to be comfortable in knowing that she'll be okay. Yes, the cost was about $2K more, but peace of mind is priceless. I compared the numbers in FE between the FWD and AWD model and the numbers weren't but maybe 1 mpg off from each other. I think maybe simply because of the added weight since the AWD feature only kicks in when needed.
I've got buddies right now that own 300's, Magnums and Chargers and they really don't drive them much when it's raining or anything like that. One of them does because he got the AWD model.
Simply put, I say make the Genesis V-8 model with the AWD and then make the other two V-6 versions FWD only. The V-8 w/375 hp will not have any problems toting that little bit of extra weight around.
I generally agree with your premise and safety is (or should be) an issue with all of us. I personally have no problem with FWD as it IS easier to pull through snow than push through it. Hope your buddy with the AWD still slows down in bad conditions. High speed and crummy conditions spell disaster no matter what type of drive you have.
I must disagree here. RWD will be what makes the Genesis a success. If it comes to market as FWD I won't even look at it. I am tired of FWD. A RWD car offers such a better balance. My problem is the large cars I can afford with RWD are limited. The 300/Charger doesn't do it for me in any way and the Grand Marquis/CV while good cars (dinosaurs
P.S. ... If any of the new offering don't do it for me, I will get another Avalon. Just turned 18,000 and still great!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I have seen plenty of times where folks with AWD think they can drive at normal speeds and ultimately...end up in a ditch on the side of the road. A lot of folks don't realize that AWD can be a preventive safety measure...IF handled properly. One thing they don't realize is that AWD means nothing at all if all 4 wheels end up on ice at the same time.
You know...AWD may not really be necessary on the Genesis considering the weight distribution is 57/43. By it being so close to balanced, it may not have any issues that careful driving couldn't overcome.
I'm definitely one that's excited about both the Genesis sedan & coupe. The more pics I see of the Genesis, the more I can't wait to see it in person. The one thing that's really keeping me from making the decision to get one when they come out is not wanting a car note!!!
Probably not - but is a car like this RWD or AWD really going to sell as gas gets to $4/gallon. The Genesis, by those specs., and logically assumming a weight of something more than 2 tons (see the 300C) is not going to be anything that I would certainly want to have to pay to drive despite what should be 5+ sec. 0-60s and 14 sec. quarters. when I already have a vehicle that is at least as spacious (and comfortable) and likely returns me as much as 10 mpg more overall. That, my friend, amounts to a whole bunch of $4/gallon gas.
Folks thought SUV sales would stop when gas was hitting $3/gal. They stalled briefly and you started seeing folks trade them in for more gas concious vehicles. However, there seem to be just as many if not more SUV's on the road now as there was when gas was $2/ gal.
The point is, you're always gonna have some that just don't care what gas costs, it's not going to stop them from owning what they truly want to own. In most cases, they know that and they bite the bullet and don't complain. Not that they have any room too, after all...they made the decision to begin with.