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I don't know how much the Ranger outsells the Tacoma by but I think its a 6 to 1 ratio,so you think because its cheaper is the reason why they outsell all compacts,first of all its not cheaper by much.Isn't the Isuzu or the Chevy cheaper why aren't they #1.You are a typical Toyota owner has no reason to own a truck and uses it for getting groceries or taking the dog through the car wash.Your hands are probably softer than a babies bottem and you don't know what real work is.You and Spoog probably hang around in a tree house with a batman flashlight hoping batman will save you from your denial.
Break out the shovel!!! LOL
Only vehicle that applies to is the Ford, Chevy and Dodge.
Toyota cannot get past 1970's when they had the horse power of a sick squirrel, the durability of a rusted razor blade and the cab room for midgets.
Can we say Helux boys and girls?
They were owned by friends of mine,
Toyota, your no legend.
You seem to have MISSED that the Ranger was selected about 9 of the last 10 years as it's "Best Buy" and "Recommended Buy" for compact pickups, not the Tacoma.
That is the problem with not all but many Tacoma owners, you EGO equals the high price of the vehicle.
cpousnr- I know you have posted favorable things about the Tacoma in the past but I rebuted you because you have been posting some one sided, slightly tainted things lately to support the Ranger. You may have been retaliating against someone but it didn't sit well with me so I responded like I did in Toyota defense. By the way I'll commend Ford for being a Best Buy in CR for 9 out of the 10 last years. That still doesn't mean it's a better truck though but certainly nothing to take lightly if you're considering a small truck. They also must have changed their mind about 90-92 and 95 as they're on the "Used Cars to Avoid" list now. In all fairness though, the Ranger has been rated very well since 97.
As far as Toyota's "Legend" status: There are many here that daily try to prove that their truck will perform and last just as well as the Toyota so I don't see that "legend" is such a stretch. Like I've said before, it's the small truck standard everyone seems to want to meet or beat.
The Toyota HIlux is still used in Africa, the Himalaya's, and other places where repair shops are every 800 miles. They are official Remote U.N. vehicles, they are used as MILITARY vehicles with machine gun mounts in the bed.
The people of Africa and South America only buy three kinds of trucks:
1. Toyota landcruisers
2. Toyota pickups
3. Land Rovers
You see, when you are 500 miles from the nearest competent mechanic, you can't AFFORD to buy anything less than the best.
And for you to quote Consumer Reports is LAUGHABLE.
The Toyota pickup(with the "dot" ratings) is absolutely, incredibly ROCK SOLID.
I have no problem with C and R giving the Ranger there best buy award. The Ranger is cheap, and a good daily commuter and good for hauling bags of stuff and whatever else you want to toss in the back. It's a nice throw away truck good for about 3-4 years.
Just drop it back off at the Ford dealer and get that 1.9 percent financing on a new one........
Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. My oh my.
Once again Cspounser quotes from the wrong source
and opens a monster can of worms.
Long term tests and offroad tests are a bit
different from a 5 hour test to the grocery store
eh Cspounser? MY oh my. Heres more:
"Reactions are less complimentary from our
resident off-road expert who says the Ranger
"rattles like a diamondback off road." The noise
comes from where the front and rear doors meet as
well as from the dash area, which has been
squeaking more and more as the miles accumulate and
the temperature drops.
The cold weather has all but dismantled the
truck's bedliner. Every major panel now has a wave
in it and the liner has separated from the bed,
leaving gaps for water and snow to get trapped
beneath it. This could eventually lead to rust and
has us ready to test out the "lifetime warranty"
that Rugged Liner is supposed to offer on all its
"It seemed extremely whimpy climbing up I-70
towards the Eisenhower tunnel." "
"No 4-low gear, creaks and rattles during off-road
driving, fully warped bedliner (aftermarket
product), annoying safety feature that makes
locking the keys in the cab very easy"
"Unfortunately, as Chris is quick to note, the
Ranger doesn't have a power driver's seat or
sufficient padding, and he can barely stand the
"crappy driver's chair for more than a trip to the
"It's a nice throw away truck good for about
Just drop it back off at the Ford dealer and get
that 1.9 percent financing on a new one........"
Please do not take some of my tweeking as outright sarcastic comments.
Well, I think Ford at least offers flex fuel vehicles and electric vehicles. Think the emissions from those would be very low to non-existent. The initial report on my Ranger is very low in emissions.
But hey, I think the US is very good in regard to auto emissions control. Travel to such countries as Germany, Great Britan, Poland and Japan, where there are not the the controls we have, try to breath. There are alerts all the time.
Oh dear, Japan has auto emission problems...Don't they produce some autos and trucks from Toyota over there...could it be that they are NOT envronnmently friendly...
See, I TWEEK, not lash out at you...
Basically it boils down to:
(1) Tacoma - not up to previous toyotas
(2) Ranger - improving close second to Taco
(1) Tacoma - best stock compact offroader
(2) Ranger - good offroader when equipped right
(?) Tacoma - stiff ride, quicker perf #'s
(?) Ranger - variable ride, faster in '01
(1) Ranger - best interiors in class
(2) Tacoma - spartan, yet functional
(1) Ranger - most bang for the buck
(2) Tacoma - worth an extra 5K????
(1) Tacoma - 190hp
(2) Ranger - 160hp, increases to 205 in '01
(1) Ranger - 225ft/lbs, increases to 245 in '01
(2) Tacoma - 220ft/lbs peaks at higher rpm
Four Cylinder Models
(2) Ranger - 2.5 is terrible, improved in '01
(?) Tacoma - around same % of sale price
(?) Ranger - around same % of sale price
Environmental Friendliness :oD
(1) Ranger - 2.5 lowest in class, also electrics
(1) Ranger - lots to choose from
(2) Tacoma - limited by packages
Tacoma - No
Ranger - No
BS Factor from truck owners
(?) Too close to call!
Cspounse has quoted Consumer Reports and Edmunds, only to have it backfire. I provide dthe articles and the quotes from HIS OWN sources.
The problems with the long term Ranger(only 28k miles) are parallel with the findings at the NHSTA.
Sure, I may get out of hand sometimes, but my oboxious behaviour is ALWAYS, ALWAYS backed up by hard data.
I read the Ranger Epinions, and then the Tacoma Epinions. What a difference. All those problems?
Well you forgot a few Edmunds comments from the Long Term test:
SEP 98: It’s no accident that the Ranger is the best-selling compact truck on the market. It drives, hauls, and looks like a truck, which is exactly what most truck people want. We have too many cream puffs working here Additional remarks related to the well-designed interior. Everyone agrees that the Ranger has great ergonomics with easy to reach radio controls and a comfortable front seat.
Only a few complaints "it rides like a truck" whiners upset that the truck’s speed-limiter kicks in at "only 90 mph." Finally, some employees wish it had a bigger cargo area.
OCT 98: One of the truck's best features is its ability to carry young infants safely the Ranger is proving to be a favorite among Edmunds staffers.”
NOV 98: its attractive looks and smooth highway ride The four-door design continues to please staffers”
DEC 98: “The wipers have an awesome range of speed
JAN 99: “ impressed by the truck's styling, powerful engine, responsive steering and interior layout
FEB: 99: gave it a glowing review. Specific likes were the powerful engine and raised driving perspective. The higher seating position inspired confidence with its increased view of the road, yet the truck still offered easy entry and egress. The cargo bed proved capable of hauling more than just frostbitten humans
MAR 99: “ and excellent sound system CD player and four-speaker system offered impressive musical imaging and separation while reception of distant AM/FM stations was better than expected Both the center console and door-mounted armrests are ideally located for arm support, and the climate controls are easy to use, rapidly heating or cooling the truck's interior.”
APR 99: on its good looks and pleasant driving characteristics. The raised driving perspective and responsive automatic transmission were given special mention stereo's sound quality is superb and the air conditioning/heating system can quickly cool or warm the cab”\
JUN 99: :impressed by the quality of sound coming from the Ranger's AM/FM/CD player and the use of high-grade materials on the seats, door panels and dash. In his words, "These standards are not matched by any other small pickup I've driven this compact Ford has plenty to offer in terms of looks, comfort, quality and value.”
JUL 98: Its tight turning radius made U-turns a snap and its raised perspective allowed for confident traffic maneuvers Climate control continues to be a Ranger strong suit”
AUG 98: “commented on the Ranger's good looks. At 1 year old, the truck still wins rave reviews for its stylish appearance
SEP 98: “many of us here at Edmunds.com feel that the Ranger is the crème de la crème. In fact, it gets our nod for best 2000 compact pickup The mating of the five-speed automatic transmission and engine drew praise this month”
OCT 98: “The Ranger effortlessly navigates parking lots and darts easily through traffic Oft-used controls are simple to operate for the most part. All praised the great-sounding stereo again”
NOV 98: Andy Chase favors the Ranger over our long-term Jeep Grand Cherokee, GMC Sierra and Honda Odyssey:
DEC 98: “ thanked the Ford folks for the side window defogger "coyly positioned on the top of the dashboard" that did its job in a jiffy. Also noted was the heater that was quick to warm up the cabin on chilly mornings V6 engine its torque was still appreciated”
JAN 00: “ fun to drive, handling pretty well for something with such a high center of gravity. He also appreciated the confidence-inspiring brakes, and found the Ranger cruises smoothly at freeway speeds.”
FEB 00:” liked the twin rear doors that open for easy access to the rear jump seats. He also enjoyed the beefy, low-end torque the perky V6 offers Hey, the girls like it!”
MAR 00: “ our truck was never at a loss for traction -- no matter what Mother Nature threw at us.”
How can the Izuzu Hombre have the best rating known to mankind and the s-10 have one of the worst?
BTW, I think that rebate is great. Have seen a significant REDUCTION in the overall price of the Tacoma, which is good.
But, to keep my Ranger hat on, does that mean either the quality was cut on the vehicle to reflect the lower price or was it overpriced to begin with? I mean I am seeing reductions of thousands of dollars over an equal vehicle from just 6-12 months ago.
For Ford to keep up, they will have to reduce price. Hmmmm note to self to check the 2002 Ranger prices. . .
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FYI, Nissan is supercharging the 3.3L V6 in '01 for around 210hp and 240ft/lbs.
Ford is also replacing the current gutless 2.5L I4 rated at 119hp with a new 2.3L I4 rated at 134hp. Maybe a viable Ford 4cylinder??? Also, a possibility of a new I5 (probably replacing the aging Vulcan 3L) looks as if it may surface in '02.
GM is replacing their entire line of engines with an I6, I5, and I4. Their top engine is a 4.5L I6 making 250hp.
The clones (Mazda B-Series, and Isuzu Hombre) will follow suit with their near-twins.
Toyota's engine offerings remain unchanged for '01 (or the near future as far as we can tell).
"I have a friend that has a Toyota Tacoma(1999) and he went
off-ridding with it and it messed up his skid plate. All he did was hit a
little stump going about 15 MPH and the skid plate fell off. He had to go through a lot of trouble to get the thing fixed. It cost him about $300 for a Toyota made skid plate. And after this happened, he has been afraid to take if through ruff areas. So overall, I say this is not the best off-roading truck."
Afraid to go through the ruff (think he ment "rough", thought them toyota owners were suppose to be better educated)areas. "....not the best off-roading truck...".
feedback on consumer troubles with the trucks.
I read the Ranger Epinions, and then the Tacoma
Epinions. What a difference. All those problems?"
You TRASHED Epinions when Ranger posts were listed a few months back. But now the opinions are good because you like what they said about Tacoma's?
Like the Epinions I found about Tacoma?
You are SOOOO inconsistant spoog.
Well as far as I am concerned, they are, well opinions.
You get paid for the opinions. Make em splashier, get more people to read em, you get more money.
I dare anyone to drive into a tree stump at 15 mph in 4wd. Unless you have a bulletproof aftermarket skid plate, you will damage your vehichle. Isn't that what the skid plate is for in the first place? To be a part that can be replaced if damaged, to sacrifice itself for the rest of the underside. That is like blaming your mudflaps for getting muddy or your bedliner for getting scratched up.
Man, you are too much. First the JD long term Ford/mazda mistake, and now this.
Next time you better check some real sources instead of relying on some comments from some stoned consumer from Epinions.
"The worst aspect about driving the Ranger, aside
from sitting in the back seats or accidentally
hitting the overdrive switch, is the amount of
noise it makes from various locations. The rear
springs squeak, the drivetrain clunks, and a
noticeable whistle emanates from the roof area
above the driver's side doors. Our guess is that
the quad-cab design has sacrificed a bit of body
rigidity, which has created the poor seal in the
door area. None of these problems are extremely
troubling when viewed separately, but when you add
them up it doesn't bode well for long-term
"Problems: Continued noises from the drivetrain
and suspension, and a new air leak around the
driver's side doors"
"Unfortunately, squeaks now plague our Ranger, the
most noticeable of which coming from the rear
suspension. We're not carrying any old boxsprings
in the bed, but it sure sounds like it. One staffer
found more than mice noises to gripe about, "I
don't know if it is the heavy-duty suspension or
what, but since I've been in the Ranger, the
commute down Santa Monica Boulevard, an admittedly
bad street, feels like an off-road adventure in the
MPG on the SOHC 4L should be about the same as the OHV 4L. Milage also varies a big amount depending on the type of truck; 4x4 vs. 4x2, auto vs. manual, weight, and rear end selection.
What do you mean by best? Crash test ratings or something else?
BTW Do you have a Spoog thing? Why is everytime that you address me in your post you manage to include Spoog in the topic.
Ford owners everywhere are reluctant to convey confidence and satisfaction when discussing their car with friends, family and coworkers as of late. In fact, out of 32 car manufacturers worldwide, Ford has dropped to 28th place for overall customer satisfaction. One customer for every 400 vehicles sold is involved in an unresolved claim, meaning either there is no known repair for a problem they are experiencing, or they have become so frustrated that they wish to have their car bought back.
Saturn, by comparison, has one unresolved claim for every 14,000 vehicles sold. Despite these facts, Ford continues to be one of the largest car
companies in the world. This can only mean that their engineers and product designers are second to none. To put it plainly, Ford makes several very appealing cars. Those responsible for the new and redesigned Fords that hit the showroom floors really have their finger on the pulse of the car buying public.
Since consumers often head straight for the Ford dealership when shopping for a car, then how is it possible that the customer satisfaction
index continues to suffer? People buy cars to suit, or sometimes create their personality. The first symptom of the male mid-life crisis is the desire to get behind the wheel of a sports car. People nearly have love affairs with their cars, giving them names, garages at night, hand waxes on the weekends, and aftermarket accessories.
I have never known anyone to name a television, a pair of shoes, or even a home for that matter. Taking into account the emotion between a car
and its owner, the auto industry has carved its own niche in the business world.
Those who hold high office at Ford Motor Company are excellent businessmen. Men like Jac Nassar, and Carl Bergman were brought in for their expertise in running big businesses. This is exactly the problem, because the auto industry is unique in the business world. Businessmen look at facts and figures much differently than what a "car person" would.
Someone who understands what a car means to a person is interested in selling a quality car for a reasonable price. A car person knows that a happy customer will return later to purchase another vehicle. They will use parts and assembly processes that will ensure a balance of liability,
performance, ergonomics, safety, and overall value.
A businessman, on the other hand, is inclined to ignore the big picture and look at today's facts. Once the design becomes a finished product and the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is determined, every cost cutting measure conceivable will be taken to increase the profit.
Replacing steel parts with aluminum and aluminum parts with plastic does indeed reduce vehicle weight and manufacturing cost. In moderation, the consequences are negligible, but when these steps are taken into practice on every part of the car, the whole vehicle suffers.
Car people are embarrassed when their product needs warranty repairs. They are willing to pay a fair price to the dealer for satisfying their
customer. Businessmen look at what warranty repairs cost them and find another way around it.
Ford, rather than justify the extra revenue required to improve the quality of their parts, has chosen another route. After studying which repairs are the most common, they looked to Carl Bergman, Head of Parts and Service for the answer. His decision was to slash the warranty labor standards across the board, forcing the dealerships to help bear the burden.
Service staff and technicians have watched helplessly as their monthly incomes have slowly decreased. The result was a $70 million savings in warranty costs last year alone. Carl Bergman insisted that technicians are grossly overpaid. For his efforts, Mr. Bergman collected a $16 million bonus.
Unfortunately, these business practices do not translate well to the automotive world. Cutting corners in manufacturing procedures and warranty
repairs only serves to aggravate the customer satisfaction problem. Rather than focus on one problem at a time, those who are running Ford Motor Company need to take a long hard look at the big picture. The public has definitely shown an unmatched level of enthusiasm for Ford's product line.
Sacrificing a few hundred dollars per vehicle at the factory will not only save thousands in warranty repairs, but will restore the pride of ownership that has been lacking lately in those who drive Fords. I am persuaded that Mr. Nassar, Mr. Bergman and the rest would be amazed at how thinking like "car people" could revolutionize the entire company."
Keep an eye out for part II . . . .