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This is Edmunds GLOWING review of the new Jaguar XF. Quotes to remember:
"Next to it, any other sport sedan looks as cold and abstract as a lump of coal. "
"The XF has a kind of beautiful modernity, and it makes other sport sedans seem like crude, one-dimensional imitations of the real thing. "
I must have been on vacation when this was written. It sounds too good to be true in the article.
Anyone plan on trading their BMW/ MB / Lexus?
I'm pretty sure Launch Control is an SMG only trick. I've only ever seen it on sequential gear boxes. It's the SMG equivalent of a clutch drop on a MT. The computer holds the revs at the best rpm for the fastest launch, and drops the electro-clutch when you let off the brake. I don't think launch control is possible with a torque converter, or really necessary. With a 911 Turbo tiptronic for example you just rev against the torque converter by brake-torquing to spool up the turbos, and then go. Any automatic car can do that.
I am seriously considering replacing my LS430 for one.
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Spot on. I will definitely look at the 911 Turbo... but the GT-R? It's awesome and all, but not for me. Try someone twenty years younger.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Someone who has a Cayenne S and an LS460? No, it's not a real Porsche, but there must be some people out there.
The only people I know with Cayennes have S-Classes, though...
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Best of all, it's just under $63K for the 420hp Supercharged, and it's standard with just about everything!
What more could you ask for in a sedan? Looks, performance, luxury, technology, handling... it sounds delectable.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
No So Good News for VW: Returns on Capital is still far below Toyota, BMW and many other auto firms.
The car company with the best future is Toyota. Why? Despite all the hullaballoo about the GM Volt, Toyota is the best company to build mainstream affordable cars that are plugged in and powered by our grids( primarily coal and nuclear energy). And that in itself makes Toyota the company to envy.
Picture of the rear-engined upcoming VW UP!
I've never met one but I do know one. His name is Bill Gates and he lives in Seattle and still owns his prior generation Lexus LS with a Porsche or two.
And one of the founders of Google: A Prius (A Green Lexus/Toyota) and soon a Telsa (A Green Lotus).
Toyota folks like speed too. If there was an Autobahn in Japan then I can assure you that Toyota would have produced some very sexy speedy machines by now.
At least it's highly forbidden on my driveway.The sign on my driveway says the following:
No Tresspassers or Automatic 3 Series Allowed
Anyone plan on trading their BMW/ MB / Lexus?
For a Jaguar? Not yet and not very soon either.
For one thing, I was talking about Lexus drivers, not Toyota drivers, so let's not mix up Toyota and Lexus folks. If they were the same, those vehicles would be under one roof, and they are clearly not. Lexus is a very different animal than a Corolla or Prius or Yaris econobox.
And I think you misunderstood my post. When I posted this: Seriously, you and I both know that a Lexus driver could also own a Porsche , I think that was pretty clear that a Lexus driver could enjoy a Porsche as well as a Lexus. I just haven't met one, and neither have you... and you had to search for eccentric individuals to even find someone.
If there was an Autobahn in Japan then I can assure you that Toyota would have produced some very sexy speedy machines by now.
Well.. there is no Autobahn in Japan, and somehow I think that the world has been Toyota's playground anyway... and we see what we see... mostly plain oatmeal styling, but very reliable of course. Toyota abandoned the Supra quite a number of years ago. I do think, however, that they are finally realizing again that performance and style have merit.
Dewey, now that you are considering a next generation Prius, have you suddenly become a Toyota fan?
TagMan
TagMan
I would say, based on the Camry 'Beluga nose', new Sequoia, Tundra and even the new Lexus LX all suggest that Toyota has gone past 'merit' and into 'over-done' when it comes to styling.
The whole bulgey, lights stuck out, massive wheel wells do not suggest 'oatmeal'. They suggest 'steroids' (and trying a little too hard).
LOL. They were 'oatmeal' for years and years, decades actually, with little exceptions here and there. Now, they are seeing the merit of style. Are they getting it right? No, not really, as you point out, but at least they understand that it matters. The upcoming hybrid sports car, for example, shows signs of hope. If it were available today, I'd look at it. Also, they seem to understand that performance matters too, as I see some effort from TMC to address performance. The Lexus "F" designation is evidence of their effort, which is better than no effort at all.
They've still got a l-o-n-g ways to go. They just don't "get it", do they?
TagMan
My wife drives an '05 4-Runner that we certainly like well enough. It has had zero problems over 50k miles and she enjoys the vehicle (she is a barely re-constructed country girl who is still unsure why we don't have an F-250 diesel in the drive so ride quality and handling are not high on her list), but shows no desire to get another one. She likes the MDX more now.
The direction that Toyota has taken (design-wise) since the new Tundra is just so over-done. I think the L-finesse theme is good (I actually like it more than MB or BMW's design cues right now) and so we can reasonably expect most Lexii to continue in the clean-line, modern theme.
They just need to get off the growth hormone for Toyota. The FJ is a culprit there too, you have referred to the one you had as a 'freak'.
Maybe we should expect the SF Giants to sign the toyota line of truck based vehicles as their 'official vehicle'
To each of his own I guess.
Oh, and I couldn't agree with you more that the L-finesse looks better than the current MB and BMW design schemes.
I do hope the truck is a success though, they make them where I live and every one I see on the road has a 'Built in Texas' sticker in the rear window.
LOL... Don't forget, the Giants have gotten rid of Bonds.
BTW, I'm a die-hard A's fan... and so is my 8-year old son... his autographed Eric Chavez jersey is one of his treasures.
To be fair, there are other teams I like. And I really have a soft spot for the St. Louis Cardinals after their World Series win a couple of seasons back. They were amazing! That little guy, David Eckstein, who was previouosly with the Angels in our own state of California, was unbelievable... as were many of the other players.
It's easy to like the Red Sox, too. But not so easy to like the Mets or Yankees. The Mets used to be legendary, but the modern team is spoiled, IMO. The Yanks are the best team money can buy, and George Steinbrenner is a piece of work... no way I can support him or anything associated with him. ( "You're fired!!" :confuse: )
Back to the cars, the new Sequoia is hideous... just like the Tundra. And I guess my "freak" description is a little strong for the FJ, but it certainly is close, don't you think?
As you said, and I agree... "Toyota is a mixed bag".
But... no matter what we say, they do sell like hotcakes!!!! (Thanks, CR!!)
TagMan
Have to say I've been a Dallas Cowboys fan since I was a lad also. Oddly England went through an 'American football' (to separate it from 'our football'
BTW, I think you can certainly say the FJ is a freak. I'll give it plenty of praise in chassis and engine for its off-road mission, but the treatment given to the body was form over function to a ridiculous degree for a vehicle designed to be off-road. The big old C-pillar is the most obvious flaw but a windshield that costs around $3000 to replace is just plain dumb in an off-roader.
Ah well, for what it's worth Bristol Rovers is my 'soccer' club side and, believe me, no one is in any danger of hearing of them!
When I had started at Edmunds a few years ago I only went to their hybrid forums and was sincerely considering a hybrid Highlander or hybrid Lexus RX (no joking). But after reading all these horrific mythological Edmunds posts about stranded BMW drivers stuck on road sides frantically looking for roadside assistance I became a defensive Bimmer fan.
Now that this BMW Unreliability Myth has been shattered and Lexusguy is singing praises about BMW/Audi(he actually bought a BMW and should be called BMWguy) I am back again in the Toyota/Lexus camp fighting the good Kansei fight for our environment and clean air.
You've gotta be $h!tting me...
:P
TagMan
BUT I will still have at least one manual German sport sedan in our garage and most likely my wife will be the one who chooses to drive the hybrid.
That is bunk. The real first crossover was the AMC Eagle.
It's like a station wagon with a 4" lift kit. That thing scares me.
-moo
Right now, they are struggling. They still want to meet their 200K sales goal, but they are giving Tundras away to do it.
Er, technically it's the wife's BMW. I'm still driving a Lexus (for now). I wouldn't call myself much of a BMW guy, as I really only like the 3 series, and I'm not going to buy a 3 series. I think its probably going to be either an S6, or an XF Supercharged.
The term "crossover" generally refers to a soft-road vehicle with SUV styling and unibody construction. The Eagle doesn't have SUV styling. The Subaru Outback beat the RX to market, but it wasn't considered a crossover, just a jacked-up wagon. Same with the Allroad, and the Volvo Cross Country.
Dewey, that one was too easy. I'm afraid I'll never forget some of your posts with brightness4 regarding BMW... as passionate as any I've every read here. No way you are about to jump ship...
...but there is a grain of truth in what I am saying. The next car that will be added to our familly fleet will most likely be a hybrid from either Lexus or Toyota.
That's understandable. Everyone these days is interested in fuel economy and getting a bit "greener". It's going to be a trend, thank goodness.
The other day I drove the GTI to work as gently as possible to see what kind of mileage was possible. The trip computer logged me at 43.7 mpg!!! I was shocked. Then I decided to see what would happen if I left work by engaging Launch Control... Heh! heh! So... I burnt rubber pulling away, and left the car in Sport Mode, as well as using the paddle shifters the entire way home, and essentially drove like a maniac... pushing it every single chance I got. The result? 19.9 mpg! The next couple of trips I just decided to drive like I normally do, and realized that I must normally drive like a maniac, as I only got 23.5 mpg, and then 27.5 mpg. Obviously, with a very light foot, I can do better, but I probably never will. When I'm finally done with the car, I'll probably have averaged mid to upper-twenties overall.
In the next couple of years, Honda will also have at least one all-new hybrid model. Will it be as good as the Prius? Their current hybrids are not as efficient, but if their new ones are close, and if their styling is a lot better, than that would sway me over to the Honda camp, if I were looking for a hybrid... and if one ever shows up from almost any manufacturer that is a real knockout in the style department, I'm probably a buyer.
BUT I will still have at least one manual German sport sedan in our garage and most likely my wife will be the one who chooses to drive the hybrid.
Now THERE's the real Dewey!!
Y' know the BMW 1-series looks sooooo tempting to me, but I wonder about its fuel economy... I expect it might only be 1 or 2 mpg better than a 3-series with the same 300 hp twin-turbo. What kind of mileage do you get with your MT 335i?
TagMan
Tough one. But, since I can't help my love for Jags, I vote for the XF Supercharged. When will you place your deposit?
TagMan
I think maybe once it starts to warm up, around April, I might be ready to make the deal.
Ahhh... good old SC assembly at its finest. Bet the ones assembled in Germany don't have these issues! :sick:
I was reluctant to the Series 1 Coupe styling as I had seen it in pictures, but I can say now she is a nice little car in person. Trunk space is not small at all, considering the size of the car; it is bigger than that in the Hatched.
I cannot comment on the Coupe driving. I had no time to try a test.
Regards,
Jose
Highway 26 to 27 MPG (I drive drive only 10 MPH over speed limit because I dont want to get caught by those patrol cops again)
City 18 MPG (during winter in the snow about 16.8MPG)
In otherwords good in terms of higway mileage and quite pathetic in terms of city mileage.
Regarding hybrids I agree with what you are saying although I have low expectations about Honda hybrids. Toyota's hybrid endeavors this past decade has not missed a beat so far while Honda keeps on tripping and falling no matter what they have done: The Honda Insight, Accord hybrid, and the not so great Prius fighter called the Civic hybrid.
The Honda PR about their upcoming new hybrids being superior to Toyota sounds more like the boasts from someone with a chip on their shoulder than anything else. With respect to hybrids, Toyota underpromises and overachieves while Honda overpromises and underachieves.
The plastic moulding around the seats and the front mirror were issues. Never had that problem with any other BMW :confuse:
I also believe as Cdnpinhead that the BMW 3 Series is not assembled in SC. Pastic McDonalds Happy Meal Toys are better attached together than the plastic in my car. :surprise:
How predictable. Back in the days when Cerberus Capital Management LP was pondering about Chrysler it was obvious this would be a dud deal. Cheap finacing and foolish investors who are easily parted with their money is the real reason for this deal.
The whole point of the transaction was to spin off and sell Chrysler at a profit. Unfortunately there is no bigger fool out there willing to pay a more foolish price than Cereberus Capital. For now Cereberus will be stuck holding this money losing turkey for quite a while.
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Regarding performance or styling? Honda is using Toyota's hybrid technology.
The Civic Hybrid is a very nice vehicle that doesn't quite hit the MPG that the Prius does, but you can actually see out of the rear window.
In my opinion, Honda makes a more quality vehicle than Toyota. I base that heavily on their resale which Toyota lacks in most of their sedans.
-moo
Honda may have better performance and styling than Toyota. BUT for me at least styling and performance are not the main reasons for buying a hybrid. Based on sales Toyota is winning the hybrid battle even without impressive styling or performance.
Based on feedback from Civic Hybrid customers, they were receiving in the neighborhood of 40-43 mpg. That's probably closer to reality. I'm sure the same rule applies to the Prius.
I agree that neither performance or styling should really be the motivating factor in buying a Hybrid. The only real reason is to try and help the environment. It certainly isn't about saving money. Based on the premium you pay for some of these cars, you would need to drive like a maniac to make up for what you spent on the vehicle.
I believe the Camry 4 cyl was doing very well. When I sold Hondas, we lost a lot of business to that vehicle. Especially when we only had a V6 model Hybrid for Accord and the return on fuel efficiency was supposed to be at 26/34. That just doesn't make much sense for a $30k car in my book.
Ok, I'll stop yakking about off topic stuff.
-moo
My folks actually owned one when I was a little kid. Purple with some sort of wood trim. I remember my mom learning to drive in that car. I smashed a couple of fingers in the door and still have the scars. Must have been in the late 40's or early 50's. Times have changed since then.
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The promises won't matter when the time comes for you to make a decision. You'll have real vehicles to choose from, and I'm sure you will make a good choice. Certainly it is possible for Honda to leapfrog Toyota because Honda has great engineers. The bigger question will be what Honda decides to actually build.
The mileage on your 335i is about what I expected. I'd probably average in the upper teens overall... not too exciting. But, I am really thinking about leaving a deposit on a red 135i with black leather interior. I could always change my mind, but the deposit would give me a chance to get one before the wait time gets to be ridiculous. Then there is the question of the convertible, but the Porsche already does that, so I'd likely go with the coupe.
If I'm not careful... soon, the wife is going to say it's her turn... ouch! I wonder what she will want? I think sharing the 135i, if I get it, could be the answer. Of course, I'd get it with a stick, which would mean that, if she drives it, the clutch life would be cut in half. You know how that is....
TagMan
Yes times have changed. A child hurting his fingers on unsafe car doors would trigger worldwide headlines, multimillion/billion dollar lawsuits, a car manufacturer with its reputation shattered forever, blogs and forums dedicated to parents concerned about door handles, 60 Minutes Audi type coverage, massive recalls and last but not least an official CEO apology before he resigns or gets fired.
Lucky you. I'd prefer a smaller 1 series than a 3series since I am sure it will handle and performs so much better. At least Jlbl saw it at a dealership and he says it looks better in real life than in pictures(I am not too impressed with the pictures).
I was running for my life from my older brother, opened the passenger door, jumped in the footwell and while facing toward the seat braced my left hand (with two fingers in the hinge well) and pulled/slammed the door shut with my right hand. I still remember the doc telling me I was a brave soldier for not crying too much but man did that hurt! :sick:
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A graphic memory of a childhood traumatic experience. LOL. It's true! Glad you survived it, brave soldier!
Funny, the things we remember that we wrote into our memory banks long ago... and the interesting thing is that the writing was done by the child at the time. I don't know about you, but I seem to have that perspective when I recall significant memories... I think about how old I might have been when I wrote that memory.
I remember one Little League game, a bunch of us kids were getting all the gear out of my mom's car, and my mom closed the trunk, but one of my friend's had his hands stuck in it. In my mind, I can still see him stuck to the car on the side of that trunk, and hearing him call out for my mom to open it. The rubber weather stripping seals must have been so loose back then that it didn't really hurt him, but it was my mom that was visibly shaken... when she opened the trunk, he had little dents along his fingers (that went away after a while), and he went on to play a great game.
TagMan
Next time, may be.
Regards,
Jose
PS: I wish you a Merry Christmas, or whatever meaningful deed you celebrate these days. And also a prosperous Year 2008. Tomorrow I am going to the mountains and I will intermittently be disconnected from the electronic world. So long—may be—until 2008.
I was also disconnected from the world (no cell phone, no internet) for several days back during my Thanksgiving weekend trip. As much as I hate to admit I must say that it didn't feel good at all.
Regards,
Jose