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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Good attitude, continued good luck (and skill!). Same here, my co. had a wonderful '07, but then the layoffs to start the 3rd Q. On a macro scale, I guess I wasn't surprised, but from a micro point of view it seemed like such a drastic turnaround...

    I, too, am not worried as I feel like I'm a valued employee. But sometimes when you're just a number...

    So, continued health, happiness and, if germane, full employment to all the Luxury Lounge Lizards here as we enter Q4, federal bailouts and another fabulous Presidential election. As always, I shall vote for Snoopy... ;)

    Bring back the Wall Street Bubble!

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Hi M4d

    From reading your posts, your attitude is up beat...I would imagine the people in charge enjoy an upbeat person being round, so here is hoping for you....I enjoyed your story of the relationship between you and your sister, so that also speaks highly for you--

    After being in Miami, it has been abundantly clear to me for several years now that this building boom would end badly.....As an example there are many fifty story buildings, with still a few more just starting....Most of the buildings are empty, so the forclosurs rate is bound to soar (on the whole building)....Just imagine a financial institution that had loaned two hundred million to build the building...That money has been spent, and the employment stimulas has been felt in the economy....now it con`t be sold, so the bank owns it and can`t re lend the money until they sell it, maybe for fifty cents on the dollar.....Consequently as this has happened all over the country, we are stuck....I don`t know how things are going to turn out, but from past experience, this country has always muddled through, and self righted, so I am sure that in the long run the same will happen....Lord knows how I have muddled through, but I have and so I wish us all `good luck` and somehow I made the drive back from Miami o k Tony
  • turtleman5turtleman5 Member Posts: 2
    Long time reader first time poster. Here is my situation, have a 2006 a6 w/14,800 on it now when my lease expires i will have approx 20k. My thought is the buyout is as little to heavy for a 3yr old as opposed to a brand new non american car. Such as a subrau legacy. Seems if one is going to by a brand new car this one is as close to what i have for about the same $$$. I know its not exactly the same but my thinking is i dont what to lease and be able to keep this a car for at lease 7-10yrs. If i buy the audi my dealer will certify up to 100k which is the only way i will buy it. My final though is to neg the deal at less then the buyout. Has anyone tried this before?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Long time reader first time poster.

    Welcome to the board.

    Hopefully you will post some of your opinions on what you read in the future.

    I am not as clear about your intentions as I would like to be, but if I understand you, you are considering either buying a new economical car or buying the Audi you have been leasing. Is that correct?

    Sometimes you can negotiate on a lease's residual buyout, as sometimes the residual value is too high. Consider that your current lease was written a few years ago, which was before the recent historical events. So it stands to reason that the residual is likely to not be in line with current values... as values for many luxury cars are under pressure. One way or another, the lessor and the dealer cannot just magically make the car disappear, so if they have a fair opportunity to sell it to you at a fair price, they are likely to consider it.

    I suggest you contact your dealer and explain your intentions. This will give you an opportunity to see in advance if the dealer is cooperative. If the dealer is not cooperative, then you know you will be saying goodbye to your A6. If the dealer is willing to be flexible on the buyout, then you might be able to work together to nail down a mutually acceptable buyout.

    Also, I would generally consider that a favorable buyout of your Audi with only 20K miles is money better spent than buying a new Subaru... unless someone here knows about some serious issue associated with your A6, which I am not aware of.

    Well, I'm not sure any of that helps, but I certainly hope so... and I look forward to your posts about your progress with this, as well as other opinions you can share here... and please do keep us all informed on the outcome of your A6 lease. It could be helpful to other readers as well.

    TM
  • turtleman5turtleman5 Member Posts: 2
    Tm yes that is correct. I have about several months to go on the turn in so i like to start my reserach early as you can see. The A6 is a great car and from what i'm being told they are all over euorpe and they drive them into the groud. I just have a hare time trying to justify the current buyout price vs a new car. I know this sounds like i don't have any faith in the Audi, but i have a wife and she can't understand the reason as to why i think i can keep this car for the next serveral yrs. Just a little history on how i take care of the a6. These are round numbers but i have washed this car about once a week since i have owned it. About 150 times and several coats of wax. Also when i go shopping i need a shuttle to pick me up. As i park away from the door dingers. I thinks I'm taking myselg into buying as we speak. I really appreciate your comments as it allows me to see a difference view.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    My thought is the buyout is as little to heavy for a 3yr old as opposed to a brand new non american car. Such as a subrau legacy.

    I'm not sure what the buyout price they are asking is, but going from an A6 to a Legacy is quite a step down. I agree with Tag, see if you can negotiate with the dealer. I know that prices for '08 A6s have come way down recently since they are readying the slightly updated '09s, and you may be able to get a favorable lease on a new '08 A6, rather than keeping the old car.
  • theanimaltheanimal Member Posts: 29
    From what I have read, Audi Financial has insurance on the depreciation so they have not made deals in the past. Over at Audiworld forums, there is one A8 owner who traded in his car, then had the dealer CPO it and bought it back from him for less than the residual cost. I bought my own A8 for $10K less than what the residual was on it, well that's according to the dealer, but it seems believable. If I were you I would have a dollar value in mind, and see if the dealer will sell it to you at that price CPO after returning it. That way you get a car that you love, know is in good shape, and an extended warranty. All for the price of a new 'lower' end vehicle.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    OW,

    Thanks. If you can avoid the cost of the maintenance either through buying a CPO or running the bills through your company (effectively getting a 30% discount on the repairs), there is good value in a used high end car. But, for the average guy, they may be a money pit.

    One set of figures in your link about 7 Series resale intrigues me. The resale for used 7 Series plummets when you compare the "value" of a 2002 vs. a 2001. The drop is almost as sharp percentage wise as between a 2008 and a 2007. What gives? Was there a model change?
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    Nice post on GM. In addition to making some big strides with Buick (supposedly the best selling foreign luxury car in China) and other GM brands, don't forget the Silverado. It is head and shoulders above the competion with nice "soft" touch interiors with only a little bit of plastic, minimal windnoise, good fit and finish, etc.

    I share your thoughts on Corvettes and gold chains, however, I do see a lot of guys in their mid 50's who aren't gold chain types driving them in the summer here in the Northeast. Maybe the owner has made a few bucks and always wanted a 'vette. Now that he is 55 and has a new main squeeze, he picks up a used one for 30K or so and used it for summer use only.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    I believe the 7-series changed in 2001, so assume that is the reason for the huge drop.

    Regards,
    OW
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    The resale for used 7 Series plummets when you compare the "value" of a 2002 vs. a 2001. The drop is almost as sharp percentage wise as between a 2008 and a 2007. What gives? Was there a model change?

    2002 was the first year of the Bangle 7. It's wise to stay far away from those early years though, the problems with iDrive were nightmarish.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    My comment on the Vette was done keyboard-in-cheek, BIG. Many folks have posted that they fear buying a car they desire because of perceived connotations, e.g. BMWs and Vettes. While it is certainly within one's right to fear the reactions/desire approval of total strangers (and friends?) to your choice of chariot, for me it comes down to: Who's paying for it and driving it? Me? Well, then, I'm the decider. Damn the torpedos of public scorn, full Chrysler 300M ahead!

    My bro' in law got an early midlife crisis (he's only 40!) gift, a shiny new Harley. His wife, a few years younger than he noted that come her 40th, she shall have a Corvette! Forget the two kids, they have thumbs! While he was away on business, I emailed her a few links to used, late model Vettes. She thanked me, said they couldn't afford it. I noted, "Of course you can! Just sell the Harley and buy the Vette!" My version of The Gift of the Magi... :blush:

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
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    The '05 RL design was just boring and instantly forgettable, but there wasn't anything particularly ugly about it. Now its ugly. Mission accomplished!


    :P :P
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Regards,
    OW
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Member Posts: 1,150
    Gee, you just gave me an idea for a new Forum: Why We Drive Cars That People Hate.

    The not-all inclusive list of cars would include 'slades, Navigators, Jeep Wrangers driven by anyone born before 1975, 'Vettes, 911s, limited edition pickups like the Harley Davidson Edition, dualie pickups unless you have a current union card, etc. etc.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Here is one for your forum.

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    Regards,
    OW
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,621
    ". . .an idea for a new Forum: Why We Drive Cars That People Hate."

    Not a bad idea, but it's been done. A few years ago one of the most heavily-visited forums was something along the lines of "I Hate SUVs, Why Don't You." Much entertainment, but not much enlightenment (imagine!).

    The economy may have finally accomplished what many on that board went on at great length about -- SUVs and 4-WDs really only make sense for people who actually need/use the functions, not for suburban poseurs.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    The not-all inclusive list of cars would include 'slades, Navigators, Jeep Wrangers driven by anyone born before 1975, 'Vettes, 911s, limited edition pickups like the Harley Davidson Edition, dualie pickups unless you have a current union card, etc. etc.

    How could you forget the Hummer H2? No single vehicle draws more ire, or has more of a chance of getting keyed or slashed tires.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Actually, I've never been embarrassed by any car I've driven. Not even my first co. car, an Olds 88. When people asked what I thought of that dinosaur, I replied that it was the best car in the world! "WHY/WHAT?!" was most often the response to which I replied, "It is the best car in the world, because I don't pay for a thing regarding this car!"

    Those were the days my friends, we thought they'd never end... :sick:

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Those were the days my friends, we thought they'd never end...

    The company I worked for in the '70s provided free cars, but they had to be American, and I got stuck with some of Detroit's worst. They were falling apart at only a few years old, whereas my Healey weekend toy (a tri-carb Healey, mind you) was humming along just fine. When I changed employers and was able to buy my own Mercedes, I was a happy man.

    In those days before airbags, nothing could protect you like big Benz :)
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    ... I've never been embarrassed by any car I've driven. ...

    Me, neither; not even the little Subaru Justy DL my future ex-wife had when we were dating. :P
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    All this Audi talk lately and we haven't heard a peep out of markincincinnati. Haven't seen a post of his since earlier in the year. Is he still around? I figured all this Audi talk would surely bait him out. :confuse:
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    OK, maybe I've been slightly embarrassed by one car:

    My mother, who loved convertibles, had one of the original VW Rabbit converts. White on white (vinyl) on white. On occasion, I drove it and at college age it definitely didn't project the image I was hoping for.

    However, when I had a date, while on break back at home, with a beautiful girl I met in college, when I mentioned my mother's VW, this comely lass squeaked with delight at her affinity for that car. Needless to say, she looked even more lovely than I could have hoped for when seated next to me in the mighty VW! Alas, ours was to be but a friendship as she ultimately married a musician. If a white on white on white VW Rabbit convertible can't help win the heart of a beautiful young woman, what was I to do?

    Sue, if you're out there and read this, I hope you have fond memories of that special evening under the stars in my mother's white on white on white VW Rabbit convertible.... Ok, now I understand why that was our only date! Hope you're as happy as you are lovely...

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • sanjaysdcasanjaysdca Member Posts: 269
    me neither..

    Not even that 1981 Chevy Chevette that me & my apt-mates bought, in 1992, while in grad school.

    Those were the days...
    No worries
    No responsibilities
    No Money...

    Sanjay
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Same with my co. policy, "Be American, Buy American!" But, as the Sales Mgr/VP had had many issues with his domestics, just after I left the co, they started adding Japanese cars to the mix... I simply drove off into the sunset in my '95 Dodge Intrepid...

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    You relaize tha no matter how beautiful (or which car), she would have turned into an EW! :cry:

    Regards,
    OW
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    Enjoy...

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Indeed, OW. I almost consider Evil Wife to be one word... synonyms... Hope she never reads this. If I just disappear one day, you'll know she found us out! :surprise:

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Cool pics!! The IS looks great. I hope you caught my post when I mentioned to you that I saw 2 IS-Fs recently!! Monsters!!

    Hope you had fun in SF. I visit the city every month or two... that's plenty for me! But I love the food there!!! OMG it's that good. LA and especially San Diego also excel in the great food dept.

    How was the drive? Which route... fast or scenic? Did the IS behave?

    TM
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Now, that's a beauty...always liked the IS. Your pix are fantastic!

    Regards,
    OW
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,621
    "I simply drove off into the sunset in my '95 Dodge Intrepid."

    How far did you get before the transmission packed up?
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Regards,
    OW
  • clemboclembo Member Posts: 253
    I wanted to get a new car for the upcoming New England winter to replace my 2006 A8. Over the past weekend I test drove the LS460, GS350awd, 535xi, M35x, and today I went to the Audi dealer at lunch to test drive the A6. I wanted to get a 6 cylinder car to be a bit more responsible given the current economy and crazy gas prices. The problem started when I came back to the showroom with the A6, I spotted a beautiful Blue 2009 A8 with Beige interior, 19" wheels and all of the toys. Well a quick call to the wife to make sure that the divorce attorney was not on speed dial, and then Emotion over Logic. I got the A8.

    Went back to pick it up after work and just drove it home. I didn't think that I was an Audi fan boy but maybe I am, the car is terrific, even better than the '06. Fit, finish, and interior details are terrific.

    We are all fortunate to have a passion for all of these great cars that we chat about day and night. We debate a lot of facts and logic but I really believe that it is a passion for these things that makes it fun, if not then they are just 4-wheeled appliances. ;)
  • rockshocka1rockshocka1 Member Posts: 310
    Nice pics, nice car! The best x-ample of L-Finnese by far. Lexus' design theme has creamed Acura's Keen Edge theme. It seems Acura designers from their studio in Cali decided taking a nice looking TL design, mixing it in a bag w/Cadillac CTS, Maxima & a pinch of Aztek was the recipe for success. Sales will tell the story, but IMO the TL is fugly, & yes, saw it in person. Maybe they are targeting Cadillac?
  • rockshocka1rockshocka1 Member Posts: 310
    Congrats on the new sled! The 8 always impressed me, & a year ago I was looking for an HELC, but they all made me feel too old. Plus, only child is soph in college, so no need for the awesome back seat. Did u get LWB or SWB?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    How 'bout THAT!!

    Congratulations!

    Your garage is looking mighty fine! :)

    TM
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Not me, dumped the '95 Intrepid before I saw the tranny lying in the road in my rear view mirror. I'm too smart for that, so I traded the 'Trep for a much better car: '99 Chrysler 300M! Which was a much better car. But, just shy of 70,000 miles moved the M for my TL. See, I are smartly.

    Jim, congrats on the GR8 8! I'm doing the same thing, but instead of getting a new car for the coming NE winter, I'll be mounting my snows on the current TL come December. See, exactly the same as you, except I have no money!

    I knew I shouldn't have taken out that no-income-verification, no money down, negative amortization, 5/2 ARM for 84 months with a balloon payment. Sounded good at the time... :sick:

    Kidding, of course. I took AHFC for 2.9% for 48 months... :shades:

    Not as good as the 0% I received from Chrysler for the 300M, but gotta say that for the last 9.5 years, while I haven't invested well, I've borrowed fairly spectacularly!

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • theanimaltheanimal Member Posts: 29
    I am curious, do you notice a big difference between the 09 and 06 A8's? As an owner of an 05, I wonder if it's worth the price jump to go to a newer version of the same car.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,621
    "I'm too smart for that. . ."

    Would that I were so clever as you. Perhaps, in due course, I can touch the hem of your garment.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    today I went to the Audi dealer at lunch to test drive the A6. I wanted to get a 6 cylinder car to be a bit more responsible given the current economy and crazy gas prices. The problem started when I came back to the showroom with the A6, I spotted a beautiful Blue 2009 A8 with Beige interior, 19" wheels and all of the toys. Well a quick call to the wife to make sure that the divorce attorney was not on speed dial, and then Emotion over Logic. I got the A8.

    Excellent choice sir! I thought about being responsible, I thought about the economy, and I thought about gas prices, and then I bought the S6. Life is just to short to lower your expectations for the sake of being "prudent" when it comes to cars. We're nearing the end of the era of internal combustion, so let it go out in style and drive the best.
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Blue 2009 A8 with Beige interior, 19" wheels and all of the toys

    Fantastic car, excellent choice. Congrats!!

    Regards,

    Jose
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Louis, when picturing your LS at the Golden Gate, did you felt Kim Novak's vertigo? :P Is not that very point close to the building where Madeleine tried to commit suicide to be saved by Scottie?

    Nice pics and nice car.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • clemboclembo Member Posts: 253
    I got the SWB, I didn't want the extra 5" in back, the SWB hs plenty of space and is easier for my wife to handle when she drives it.
  • clemboclembo Member Posts: 253
    The car has 30 more hp than the '05/'06, I didn't think that it would be noticable but I thought it had more grunt - I may be wrong as I turned in my "06 in April so I have been behind the wheel of a few other cars since then. They did make a bunch of subtle upgrades to the interior, more finished trim pieces than before, same basic look but really nice touches, and now it has a backup camera in addition to the radar system for parking. The price jump was not insignificant though given the USD/Euro changes and Audi's strategy of higher margin over higher volume.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Excellent choice! Best of luck and many happy miles!

    Regards,
    OW
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,217
    Nah, just stay at a Holiday Inn...

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
    Congratulations to a new A8 owner,Didn't you test the newer S class?

    I read a lot of posts about Audi and BMW here, It seems every1 has forgotten the Merc.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    It seems every1 has forgotten the Merc.

    I've got to agree with you here. I've noticed some of that as well. Not long ago, I posted two good posts about the S-Class, the most recent being an informative post about the upcoming hybrid S-Class, and I don't recall a single poster giving it any consideration, including you, IIRC.

    To me, that's big news, and an exciting development for Mercedes Benz, as it enters into the hybrid arena, and doing so with its flagship sedan.

    Sometimes though, depending upon what else is being discussed, a post can slip through the cracks. It happens. It also depends a little upon the ownership of vehicles by the current mix of posters. There used to be more Mercedes owners posting than there are now. For example, Dewey and Merc are not here now. And while I have owned a few different Mercedes vehicles in the past, I do not currently own one. In addition to that, there has been a lot going on with Audi and BMW, and it's just inevitable that they will be discussed here.

    That all said, I can tell you categorically that I am absolutely interested in Mercedes Benz and their product developments. Mercedes Benz is still one of my all-time favorites.

    TM
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Member Posts: 767
    It's exciting to see MB leaping into the lux hybrid play. Can't wait to see Lexus's response. I think we will see some excellent hybrid offerings in the coming years.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
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