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I just have to remember not to light a match inside the vehicle when test driving it.
On the other hand, that might be the only way iDrive ever makes it to heaven.
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The mpg system we have here also factors hugely into marketting (minivan being an almost US-only product). 25mpg minivan just isn't all that exciting despite the reality that it can save far more fuel in a year over a regular 16mpg minivan than a Prius can possibly save over a Corolla or Camry, driving the same distance.
When competition is more numerous, IMHO, MPV's and minivans are well-suited to have hybrid drive systems because the electric system can really power all the gadgets . . . finally a fridge in the car for all without having to get a HELC.
Terrific!... I do prefer my beer nice and cold, especially when driving on those long family trips.
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You have a good point, but the LX570 won't be released until early (?) 2008.
Also the current pricing model of the LX470 may not be there when the LX570 arrived. Consider this
US LX470 = CAD 85K (landed in Toronto)
Can LX470 = CAD 120K (purchased in Toronto).
Obsolete Lexus? I don't think so just based on their reputation of reliability; Furthermore, the new 570 will cost more, so slightly used 470 will be highly sought after.
Finally, if the pricing disparity continued when the new model arrived, then I will sell the 470 for close to what I paid and buy the new one.
Well here's definite proof. Look how dusty the roads are on this very short YouTube clip filmed somewhere in Europe:
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The person behind the steering wheel may have survived the crash but I think he may have recently died from overwhelming embarassment.
Only if they put powered rear sliding doors on the 470, then I am in heaven. I drove the Sienna and the 470 back to back, and concluded that I am not ready for minivan.
Good decision. I agree that you are right to go with proven and let the first year model bugs and extra expense work themselves out.
BUGS? In a Lexus? Give me a break. There couldn't be enough, if any, to matter.
The first year of the LX570 will be more than reliable enough, and the feature improvements over the 470 are like night and day. Recently, I posted an incredible introductory video on the LX570. If you saw it, you would NEVER consider almost any other SUV in the world. What a spectacular SUV!
Heck, I'll even take a stab at it, if the Mercedes GL or Q7 don't come with a diesel soon enough.
The LX570 will undoubtedly be one of the nicest SUVs to ever grace this planet.
BUGS? LOL.
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There is no Toyota release of a comparable Land Cruiser scheduled (at least not one that I know of) so Lexus will be without the mother-ship on this one.
Lest we forget... Toyota engine sludge, Avalon and Camry transmission issues, Tundra steering mechanism failures. It's been nice for Lexus to have Toyota handle all the user testing.
I'm sure there will far less issues than most manufacturers have but first go-around is first go-around. Nothing is perfect on the initial iteration.
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An amazing vehicle. You will love it.
We don't drive it that much, about 10,000 miles per year or so but that is 50,000 care free miles so far. I may keep the darn thing another 5 years. Also, if times get hard I could live in it!!
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To my shock this morning, and to a few other for sure, I spilled a whole cup of Starbucks this morning reading the new Srategic Vision/J.D. Power report on quality for all automakers(sorry MINI and Isuzu).
To make sure my eyes aren't still twisted, is that speaciality car maker Porsche with the top spot this time?
Even more shocking, is that a domestic brand(Lincoln, #3) in the top 5 WITHOUT Toyota being in the top 5?
Oh and this time, MBZ is not the laughing stock of the luxury rides. It's number 5 this time instead of something like 25. Toyota slipped way down to number 6, no doubt due to some major quality lapses that the company has never had to deal with before, more notable the steering failures of the Tundra and the transmission-related problems for the 3.5L equipped cars and SUV's, particularly the Camry and Avalon.
Jaguar, who tied with Toyota for 6, is really starting to look like the best kept secret in the biz when it comes to reliability and quality in this class.
It still interesting to see that Ford and both of it's domestic subsidiaries placed in the top ten. This says a lot about if the company puts priorities in order and run the company correctly, all else will follow as they do generally have dependable cars.
What was unexpected was Acura, at number 17. I'm not sure if the brake problems and glitches with the RL's infotainment system has boosted this as the TL remains as solid as the ES in terms of quality and realibility. The new MDX is too new to get real feedback. The RDX has not been that great of a seller, particularly when a customer can walk down Car's Row and get an X3 for much similar money.
Another shocker was Mazda. This from the company who had reliability as good as any Toyota has slipped way down to 34, behind Jeep and HUMMER. The 3 and 6 have been generally drama-free. And again, the CX's are too new to gauge real feedback.
And of course, again not a shocker, Land Rover carried the bottom of the heap.
I'm pretty sure there is a good reason as to why Lexus slips to Porsche, just as there's an equally good reason that Toyota fell behind two of the used-to-be worst brands, according to this report. This just proves no company is safe from being scrutinized in even the most bias report.
As I've said before, you can't get really big, really fast, without some REALLY BIG problems.
In the Powers dependability survey which measures problems after 3 years, Lexus has placed first for the last 12 years. So Dr. Fill can still hold his head high.
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The fact that Porsche accomplished this two years in a row is impressive. Consistency is most important with these statistics. The ones who jump to the top ranks from the bottom in just one year are usually the fly by nighters and will end up in the trash heap next year.
The two crowns go to Lexus and Honda for being consistently among the top year by year for decades in this survey.
Was that the main reason why you bought your Porsche
I never use Consumers Report or JD Powers as a purchasing guide. And I always buy either a first year model car or in the case of my BMW335i a car with a new engine. I like novelty when I purchase a car and I like old technology when I nostaligically keep my car for many years.
I live on the edge and I wouldn't want to live any other way. Reliablity is such a redundant term in this day and age of the automotive industry (unless you own a Land Rover or a Lemon( French translation: Citroen)
LOL. Not a chance.
But it's just nice to know, AFTER the purchase, that there's a little icing on the cake.
You might remember my rather intense posts of over a year ago, when I practically attacked the whole reliability argument, because it had gone way too far... much too much was being made of the reliability stats from JDP and CR.
Merc and I and others were united in that major argument. Certainly, not a good idea to go through THAT again!
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BUGS? In a Lexus? Give me a break. There couldn't be enough, if any, to matter.
Actually, the record for the '06 GS is pretty bad, far worse than the '03 GX470 which some around here have used as ammo to pick on Lexus. It's received a "fair" rating for electrical system(!) and "poor" for body integrity. Yes, a new Lexus gets a full black circle. Overall predicted reliability for the GS is rated average, no better than the 5 series or A6.
It could be worse, the RL's scores are pretty awful, with two full blacks for the '05s and one for the '06, and overall mediocre scores in several important categories.
While the ES and IS are up to the usual Lexus standards, Lexus can screw up, and they did with the GS.
The 3 has done well, the 6, not so much. The 4-cyl 6s, which I believe are built in Japan, have done fairly well. The duratec V6 powered ones are built in Flat Rock MI though, and those haven't done well.
Not new. Porsche and Lexus also finished 1 - 2 in last year's IQS.
I checked a few specific models and for mechanical quality within the MB line, the S and ML got top marks, while the GL and R are laggards. Well, good news for me because I was considering the S, and had assumed that the GL would be more of the same from the Alabama MB plant (namely, unreliable, though the ML seems to have broken out this time). Then again, it is really the VDS that I think is more meaningful than the IQS.
Maybe he should come back and explain what he means. The way that I see the press release, MB finished number 5, and Audi down at number 26.
Those are the words of the link you had provided yourself. So maybe Merc was referring specifically to the Audi A8. Also Merc was quite confident about the quality of the S Class almost a year ago when he discovered in various forums a lack of complaints about the new S Class. According to him these lack of MB S complaints had set a new new precedent for MB qualtiy.
The Lexus LS460 is more problematical than the new MB S Class?
This is definitely the dawn of a new era for MB quality or a return from yesteryear( my 83 MB 300D is proof of that). Despite the fact that I like living on the edge I would be scared to death from owning a Lexus LS600h. After warranty the potential repair and maintenance costs may even exceed the costs of repairing and maintaining my house. And believe me that aint cheap.
Hey Designman you beat me to it regarding A8 qualtiy. Despite this I refuse to delete my post.
until this week I never thought the sound of a quack could make me feel this sad
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The 3.5L, even though wholly better than the 3.0, still can't cut the mustard like the Toyota 3.5L and the GM 3.6L. And these engines have proven reliability, having been around for a few years. The new Ford engine is just that new, with mostly '08 cars and SUV's getting it. Hopefully time will change things....
Hey, I could always trade it in a couple of years from now when the 570 is bug free.
And dated
The Leafs, as you know, last won the cup in '67 in spite of finishing third in the old 6-team league. That was the year I graduated high school and I went to every home Ranger game at the old Madison Square Garden. It was also the year Bobby Orr made his debut and a year before I got my first car. Davey Keon of the Leafs won the Conn Smythe Trophy as MVP in the playoffs. Tim Horton was also on that team.
Those guys were nuts. Not only did the players not wear helmets, the goalies didn't wear masks except for Jacques Plante who was the innovator.
Good luck next year Dewey!
That's Frank Mahovolich and Red Kelly with Dewey's cup. (It was mine in '94.)
BTW Kelly once won the Lady Byng and Norris Trophy in the same year!
Here's Johnny Bower. Slap shot... boin-n-n-g, right off the coconut. "Stitch me up fast, Doc"
Sorry, hpowders, no one 6'2" or above is allowed.
I'm 6'1", so I can get one if I want. LOL :shades:
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No... that's not me and the wife, in spite of all the rumors. Those aren't California plates... that's the dead giveaway.
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Very interesting. How old is that picture? Its quite a bit different from the C-XF concept.
I will just have to bear the loss of not fitting into the 1 Series.
Doesn't it have a handle on the roof, in case you want to bring it into the house when it rains?
Sorry, I misunderstood, thinking he meant high end brands rather than the large luxury sedan segment, and didn't look far enough down in the release.
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Waiting for the Maple Leafs to win the Stanley Cup (fourth decade already) is like Waiting for Godot. At least while I am waiting I can still nourish myself with Tim Horton's great legacy of doughnuts and coffee.
Oh well as I always say there is always next year. :sick:
An understated looking car with amazing driving dynamics. Combining the 1 series which is lighter than a e36 with a potent twin turbo 3.0l is a marriage made in heaven. That is exactly the kind of car I am looking for.
Fortunately I am below 6'2 and I know I will never reach such height no matter how much calicium and vegetables I consume.
Unfortunately for sure this will push the envelope towards $80k in this form, making that Carrera Cab look really, really good.
I'm thinking the S5 will come in convertible form. And when it hits our shores in RS5 trim late in '08 as an '09, it will be the car to be, using Audi's first application of direct injection and turbo on V8's for an estimated AMG like 500-550hp. But it all has a price....
This vehicle looks very underdeveloped and I hope they don't plan on shipping it to the US in this form. It has an Altima-esque face that does not bode well with that grille.
If Jag wants to be taken serious in the E/5/A6 class, they're going to have to get serious on this one. The CX-F was welcomed with rave reviews and the critics went crazy.
Upgrade the 4.2L to direct injection/dual VVT to make at least 350hp and the Supercharged 4.2L needs to get much closer to 500hp to stay competitive. Then we'll have the makings of the Jag's that the Germans used to be scared of.
I HATE that grill, and always have. It amazes me how so much time and money goes into the final production of a new model, only to adorn it with a wierd front grill.
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