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Oh yeah, it's all a liberal concoction, and once again the aimless American right has nothing to do with any of it.
I need that eyeroll emoticon again.
Ten years from now when all this baloney has been disproved, they will still not admit they were wrong.
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COPENHAGEN (AP) - China, India and other developing nations boycotted U.N. climate talks on Monday, bringing negotiations to a halt with their demand that rich countries discuss much deeper cuts in their greenhouse gas emissions.
Representatives from developing countries - a bloc of 135 nations - said they refused to participate in any formal working groups at the 192-nation summit until the issue was resolved.
The African-led move was a setback for the Copenhagen talks, which were already faltering over long-running disputes between rich and poor nations over emissions cuts and financing for developing countries to deal with climate change.
Will our leaders sell US out to get it back on track? My hope would be they all get in their Limos and head for the airport. Then admit the whole MM/GW thing was a scam from the get go. Where do those 135 developing Nations think we are going to get the money? We already owe China our souls. India was smart and traded their dollars for gold. Of course High Priest Gore would like all US common folk to park our cars and live in a mud hut. Just a solar cell to keep the TV going so he could spread his religion.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126079318461090419.html
It's all about $$ for scientists, politicians, and the self-promoting investors.
The sick part is any money we give to the G77 countries will end up in the pockets of the rich in those countries. Nothing will be done to help the little guy. It is just the biggest scam of the 21st century. The names are changed to cover up for the guilty. I would not give any of them a nickel. We can sell them tractors so they can plant crops and become self sufficient. They need to go through the agricultural period. We sell them guns so they can rob their neighbors. Though I believe it is a Liberal way to eliminate unwanted population. Think Rwanda and a dozen other African countries.
Why am I not surprised ?
That reminds me of the old story about if you are playing poker and can't figure out who the sucker is.....IT IS YOU !!
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Until we know FOR SURE (which we DON'T) that man's activities are NOT causing the warming, then it's not a "scam."
You may not. Most Americans do know. If we are a factor it is not big enough to justify the wasted tax dollars. How many cases of tampered with data do you need to see before you will be convinced? If climate science as we have experienced it was legitimate there would be open debate within the scientific community. All evidence points to denying anyone that does not fall in line with the political powers in control. Not allowing peer review of data should be a real flag for you. I remember a CNW study. You would not even read it because you disagreed with the findings and the peer review data was not available. That is how the MM/GW scam is run. One of the top Polar Bear scientists in the World is not being allowed to speak in Copenhagen, because his scientific evidence is "Not Helpful". The only consensus is among the religious leaders of the MM/GW Cult.
Anyone who THINKS they know for sure one way or the other is fooling themselves.
The science is too discombobulated, and HAS been.
That's the reason it's still in debate.....NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE.
If anyone knew for SURE, then the debate would be over.
Better tell that to our Congress and President that are wanting to throw OUR money at a theory with little basis in fact. According to the scientists on the GW dole the debate was over long ago. By giving them the benefit of the doubt, you are taking their side. So we can put you down on the side of the CULT. I know you would like to ride the fence. Sometime you have to stand for something. I believe until I see proof otherwise that we are being hornswoggled by the Democrat leadership with their EPA deceptions and the Cap n Trade legislation.
I am against anyone who completely DISMISSES THE POSSIBILITY because I think THAT is just as irresponsible as the other group I take issue with, which is the people who thing MMGW is a foregone conclusion.
Neither of those groups is correct.
Because in fact, we just DON'T KNOW what has caused the warming.
But there is too much good science on BOTH SIDES for the issue to have been resolved already.
And both sides have political and "not so hidden" agendas - don't act like only the proponents have agendas.
The opponents have their agendas also, which is why so many "anti-global-warming" studies have been financed by the oil, gas, and coal industries.
The only indisputable fact is that ALL the facts are NOT YET KNOWN.
We also don't know what is causing the cooling. So to pass legislation to curb one or the other based on a theory that was bought and paid for by those with an agenda, goes against my common sense of right and wrong. The Deniers are NOT proposing to spend my tax dollars on frivolous trips to Copenhagen and Bali. Trips that have the smell of collusion running through them from start to finish. Name me one climate conference in the last 20 years that all the sides of the debate were welcomed. That constitutes a scam in my book.
Neither side needs to prevail right now. Money needs to be spent on both sides, because the science needs to be given time to figure it out.
And as far as your "name me a climate conference" question:
There was no need to discuss anything except the obvious warming.
Your argument should be with them but apparently you are in favor of "more study". The alarmists do not want more study and that is not what they want to spend the money for. They want to start remediation...for a problem that probably does not exist.
The EPA may have unknowingly opened the door for diesel in the U.S. since diesel produces very little CO2. Diesel will be a good way for mfgs. to meet the proposed standards.
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Both the "complete deniers" and the "complete the debate is over" people are both on my poopie list.
WE THREW IT OUT. :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
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SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece
Similar to the Nixon tapes being erased to avoid embarrassment.
You do know that evn 100% CO2 would be invisible, having no color?
Anyway what is being discussed in Copenhagen goes far beyond doing more study. According to the scientists and politicians there it is CLEAR TO THEM, that CO2 is causing MMGW.
And those that don't agree with them, who want more study, and who want to debate the actual, not adjusted climate data, are being excluded and labelled as amateurs.
We are against a rush to judgment, and changing our society and creating new bureaucracies based on an unproven theory.
Study yes with open debate from all sides. Taxes, fees, carbon credits, and such wait until the open debate is held and we have higher confidence on whether there really is warming that corresponds to CO2 levels. Since the Earth is always warming and cooling for billions of years, why would the simple fact warming is occurring cause me consternation. The Earth is and has ALWAYS been changing.
Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.
In his speech, Mr Gore told the conference: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”
However, the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast.
“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”
Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6956783.ece
Sad we have to get our news from other countries. Every thing Gore says is suspect in my book. He has told so many lies during his time in office and the private sector.
And the number is 140 private jets and 1200 limos. I would suspect most are idling while their passengers are in the party. So many jets they have to park them at an airport in Sweden as they have run out of room.
Copenhagen summit carbon footprint biggest ever: report
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - The Copenhagen climate talks will generate more carbon emissions than any previous climate conference, equivalent to the annual output of over half a million Ethiopians, figures commissioned by hosts Denmark show.
I would be surprised if any of the party goers really believe in the crap they are trying to sell US and the rest of the World.
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Like they didn't know they were disposing of the damning data. Just like the illegals just south of me here crossing in to the States don't know that if they get pregnant here we'll not only cover the cost of the birth but we'll make the small one a U.S. citizen. Does anyone else smell something stinky and rotten here? Who made that rule up? Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a sauna with no ventilation...aaa....I...I....mean a conference room with an Al Gore guy speaking of personal wellness and yoga and sauna's and burrito's till your last breath.
I think Al's missing out on some money grabbings here in Arizona. We're obviously all ears. :sick:
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These are heads of state and important people, many of whom are at risk of assassination.
Society in many countries have developed the proper way to transport these men and women.
Just because they were going to a "climate change conference" doesn't mean their safety should be sacrificed.
Such naivete' :sick: The green way would be the safest way. Teleconference the whole smear. Get their ducks in a row before you have a conference. It is in disarray and the tax payers are the big losers. Half those dictators would be better off dead, for their countries sake. You just don't get it. These are just fat cat parties in disguise. $600 rooms the average with caviar provided. Do you think any of them pay their own way. And the few that are their as private citizens write it all off. Just part of the scam.
"the green way would be the safest way?" What kind of silliness have we here?
What kind of silliness have we here?
If you remember back when we were bailing out the auto industry. There was a big flap about flying around in private jets and having conferences in Las Vegas. The advice from our President was to use the technology available and teleconference. He could have been a leader in this misguided MM/GW SCAM by suggesting just that. Each of the World Leaders could be televised from their palaces without adding to the carbon output. Equal to a years worth for half a million Africans. Those that make excuses are generally part of the scam.
I don't buy it...reminds me of the excuses made for big 1.5 execs using private jets to fly to DC to beg. Most of these people are unknown outside of a few.
But generally, you are not going to stop world leaders and bigwigs from getting together and flaunting their egos amongst each other.
Regardless of WHAT type of conference it is: G7, G8, G77, whatever.
They like to spend the taxpayers money and travel in style and in private jets and limos. They consider it part of the perks of being an elected executive.
Doesn't make it right. But it's the way it is, and nothing can change it.
Gary says, How do you spot a Closet Global Warming Cult Member?
At least I know in my heart you aren't talking about ME. That's a relief.
Of course not. Though you make a lot of excuses for the leaders and dictators of this World. If I remember correctly they were all at a meeting within the last 6 moths that the same BS was being discussed. I cannot think of an excuse for any of them. Wasting our money is all they do. We need a complete change of our US leaders and World leaders.
They do what they do, as world leaders.
But my point is this: unless you have a workable system to replace the current one, why sit around and pi$$ and moan about the current system?
World's Top Polluter Emerges as Green-Technology Leader (Wall St. Journal - the link looks like it may flake out though).
"China looms large over the global climate summit in Copenhagen, where Chinese officials are pressing the U.S. and other rich nations to accept new curbs on their emissions and to continue to subsidize poor nations' efforts to adopt clean-energy technology. China is the world's biggest source of carbon emissions. Less understood is the way China is now becoming a source of some of the solutions.
China's vast market and economies of scale are bringing down the cost of solar and wind energy, as well as other environmentally friendly technologies such as electric car batteries. That could help address a major impediment to wide adoption of such technologies: They need heavy subsidies to be economical."
What do you think of the Copenhagen meeting so far? Is the focus on the validity of the science or what technologies and how to implement? Or is it on $, and international incriminations and revenge for supposed past injustices?
To me it sounds like a bunch of 3rd world dictators who are looking for a handout to their country which goes directly into their and their friends Swiss bank accounts, before the next coup in their country in a few months.
This should give Us some hope of total failure of the Copenhagen party:
Gordon Brown has arrived in Copenhagen with the aim of establishing himself as a major "broker" of the talks.
The Prince of Wales told delegates at the summit that the "eyes of the world" were upon them, and that they had the power to "write our future".
California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger told delegates that the "planetary transformation" needed to tackle climate change could not be the work of national governments alone.
He said: "History tells us that movements begin with people, not governments, and when they become powerful enough, governments respond."
I'm assuming Ahnold would not offer any financial aide to the scam as he has pretty much allowed CA to go bankrupt with his inability to keep an out of control legislature from breaking the bank. The way I see Copenhagen is a bunch of bankrupt leaders wasting money trying to extort money from the other guy. The greatest miracle I can hope for is a massive snow storm to dump on them and they all freeze to death in their hotel rooms.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Copenhagen-Climate-Summit-Chairwoman- -Says-Talks-Run-Risk-Of-Failure/Article/200912315500996
I must admit I haven't been following it too closely. Seems like the M.O. for these conventions is to formalize the agreements that the parties have worked on the last year or two. The stuff out front is the dog and pony show giving the participants and protesters time to preen.
But absent some major realignments in person, the real work was done months ago and after all the meeting and greeting, most the pre-packaged resolutions will get voted up or down. Probably a more sober way of doing business and yeah, most could be done by teleconference.
But sometimes face time with your counterparts does make a difference - just look at how forum members sometimes get bent out of shape because you don't get all the nuances in text that you enjoy when talking with others over lunch. And you don't get any free PR that helps you make your case before the general public if everyone just tries to communicate over their respective squawk boxes in their home town.
Another British-led scam.
With all the cops beating on the protesters, you could substitute Chicago for Copenhagen.
I am sure that he will be quietly reinstated...after he finishes his own investigation into himself !!
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Wood is Good, says Obama
February 17, 2009
Today, President Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. To promote the use of renewable, domestically produced, carbon neutral fuels, the Act calls for a Tax Credit totalling 30% of the purchase price of any new wood or pellet stove that achieves at least 75% efficiency (up to $1500.00 per household).
"This is a home run," says one Hearth Product Industry spokesman, "In recent speeches and interviews, Obama has repeatedly stressed the need to decrease America's reliance on imported fuels. By signing the %1500.00 wood & pellet stove rebate into law, the President has addressed this need, while at the same time lowering the tax obligations of working Americans, and injecting consumer funds back into the economy."
Rick Perry doesn't like to talk about his days as a Democrat, particularly his role in 1988 as the head of Al Gore's presidential campaign in Texas.
But on Wednesday, after he accepted and endorsement from a group of builders in Dallas, I managed to get out a question about his relationship with Gore and where each stands on Gore's pet issue of climate change.
"I certainly got religion," Perry said. "I think he's gone to hell." That drew big laughs from the construction types gathered for Perry's appearance.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/perry-blasts-former-budd- y-al-g.html
I pulled the wood stove out last summer and have the chimney plugged with a big piece of insulation and one of those pie plate covers. After 8 years, I finally burnt all the wood I had delivered when we moved here and didn't feel like messing with building fires this winter.
It was handy for toasting my fig newtons though.