Unfortunately Russell is another apologist who doesn’t ask relevant questions of both sides, only one side. Even BBC now thinks the CRU wears a halo:
The real-life Sir Muir Russell, a senior civil servant, seems a virtual clone of Sir Humphrey Appleby, the career civil servant in the Yes, Minister comedy, whose internal reviews always produce just what political expediency requires. Russell was tasked with heading the review of the Climategate scandal involving the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at Great Britain's University of East Anglia, and not surprisingly, he exonerated the global-warming alarmists who, in leaked emails, discussed their skewing of information and coverup in support of their alarmism.
Russell’s long tenure in the civil service was checkered with dubious ethical behavior. When the Scottish Parliament Building was costing much more than anyone anticipated, Russell failed to notify the government, and Lord Fraser criticized Russell for keeping quiet about extreme cost overruns. Sir Russell also received pay raises far in excess of inflation. Russell has received honors (e.g., the Order of the Bath) that are granted by the British establishment to those who “play ball.” His wife, Eileen Mackay, is also a lifelong civil servant. How trusted is Russell to “find the right conclusion”? In October 2008, Russell was selected to head the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland. He is “one of the boys” and the only surprise would have been if he had found corruption at the Climate Research Institute.
You are merely posting from a blog which holds your view. No impact there.
The 3 independent panels already spanked the hands. The critical comment from the NEWS STORY - not a biased blog:
Not unlike the two other inquiries, the quality of climate science itself was not under scrutiny
And from an Australian NEWS website:
An American poll found that only 9 per cent of the respondents thought that "Climategate" indicated that climate scientists are untrustworthy, about the same proportion as told a Scottish one that they had altered their opinions as a result of it. A survey for the BBC indicated that just a quarter of those who had heard of it had changed their views – and that most of these had become more convinced of global warming, not less.
Welcome to "The Land Where 91% of Americans Disagree With You," Gary.
The only report I see is the Russell report. The rest are just saying looky there all is better cuz the gubmint says so. It is sort of like asking someone working in our government how the Democrats are doing? You think they are going to criticize and lose their jobs? Who are the independents not working for the British government that have cleared the British University of wrong doing?
All government reports by those with lots to lose if Cap n Trade gets shot down.
The report marks the third and final inquiry into the cache of hacked material.
The first was released in March by the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee. The second, completed in April, was conducted by a group of independent researchers recommended by the Royal Society, a national science academy in Britain, and led by Ron Oxburgh, a former geologist and Shell chair.
How about an independent study by those that do not believe they are telling the truth? Why not a court trial with real witnesses against the scam artists? There was NOTHING independent about any of those studies. About as believable as the weather reports coming from the Phoenix airport tarmac.
Gary says, "About as believable as the weather reports coming from the Phoenix airport tarmac. "
Well, the radio stations have their own gauges. They virtually match the "official temps" nearly every time.
When it's 109 at the airport, usually 108-111 at the radio stations.
TV stations also report their highs - always in line with the airport temps.
Phoenix has about 15 suburbs, and when the little TV guy shows all the temps on the 3D map, guess what? AGAIN, they are all in line with the airport temps, except the higher elevations and outlying areas are usually a degree or three cooler, duh.
So chew on that info, Mr. "Historical Temperature Doubter" :-) ;-)
I don't think you understand the implications. If the climategate scientists are found to be liars and frauds, the whole case for AGW as used by the UN IPCC is dead. Too much has been invested in this scam to just let it go into the history books as it should. These people will lie, steal and kill to keep their little scam going. It means huge profits in carbon credits. $billions have already changed hands. Many people myself included have been robbed by the utilities as a result of this horrible alarmist program. So if I am passionate about it. That is because I can see through their little charade. And fortunately about 60-65% of Americans can also. In spite of this "unknown" poll you are trying to get us to believe. My two mainstream polls say different.
the Earf is warming and that man cannot be excluded from being a possible factor.
The earth warming and man as a possible factor, is a far cry from the earth is warming and man IS the major cause. That is the issue. That is what CRU lied about. That is what ended up in the UN IPCC report based on the mishandled data by Phil Jones and the CRU bunch. I don't think most of the 30,000 climatologist and scientist would disagree that the earth could be in a warming trend. Or a cooling trend. It is blaming man for the changes and trying to cash in on that alarmist ideology is what separates the skeptics from the cult. When you want to charge me 25% more for my utilities based on a theory, I am going to scream bloody murder. That is what is happening in many places around the world including the USA.
It sounds like they chose the right person to head up the investigation -- he has an interesting record on academic honesty. Probably explains the shakeups in the panel shortly after it was formed (see the entries for 2/12 and 2/15).
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I found this interesting. Maybe Eyton should have been paying closer attention to his day job of deepwater drilling instead of sitting on a climate panel.
David Eyton, BP Group Vice President, Research & Technology, is a member of the Muir Russell panel. Only one submission (mine) criticized his presence on the Muir Russell panel. There was total radio silence from climate scientists. Why was this perpetually outraged community so silent? More on this later.
Eyton’s bio is particularly interesting in the present circumstances.
David joined BP in 1982 from Cambridge University with an Engineering degree. During his early career, he held a number of Petroleum Engineering, Commercial and Business Management positions. In 1996, he was named General Manager of BP’s North West Shelf interest in Australia. David later managed Wytch Farm in the UK and then BP’s Gas Businesses in Trinidad. In September 2001, he became Lord John Browne’s Executive Assistant in the company’s London headquarters. Following that assignment, David was Vice President of Deepwater Developments in the Gulf of Mexico and prior to his current role was BP’s Exploration and Production Group Vice President for Technology.
Lord Muir Russell with a very shady history in politics and academia. We have Boulton with an admitted AGW bias. Eyton works for BP on deep water drilling, not very successfully I should add. What is his credentials for investigating climate fraud? Peter Clarke is not a climate scientist or investigator. Jim Norton is an IT Investment guy, so may be qualified to investigate the actual emails for authenticity.
I see no balance or unbiased panel investigating Climategate. Looks like the Brits would like this to just go away.
I find that interesting. Sir John Beddington initiated the investigation and asked that the raw data be re-appraised. At the first meeting of the Russell panel, it was decided not to look at the raw data. No Science in MR report
The Russell report does NOT address the issues that ClimateGate exposed. It was supposed to be a peer review of the raw data that was manipulated by Phil Jones and company. The report only examines the integrity of the scientists involved. We do not know anymore about what was done with the raw data than before the report was issued. Looks like another waste of money by Sir Muir Russell. Something he has a long history of doing. He is one of the good ole boys.
Does the requested information fall within the definition of “environmental information” under the EIR?
34. The Commissioner notes that the public authority dealt with the complainant’s requests under FOIA. In a subsequent submission to the Commissioner it argued that this was the correct decision as the information requested by the complainant did not fall within the definition of “environmental information” contained in Regulation 2(1) of the EIR. In its view the complainant’s requests were for correspondence concerning work assessing the quality of environmental research and for information on IPCC principles, rules and procedures. It went on to explain why it did not believe this information fell within any part of the definition of environmental information.
If the data used for the Hockey Stick and the IPCC report is honest, why no peer review or turning over the raw data?
The real threats to the world’s species are environmentalism, misguided environmental policies, and anti-technology zealotry. Here’s the tip of the iceberg.
* Intensive, unrelenting opposition to coal, gas, nuclear and hydroelectric plants for generating the electricity that two billion people worldwide so desperately need. Not only does this force people to rely on open fires for heating and cooking – perpetuating poverty, lung disease and premature death.
It also destroys mountain gorilla and other wildlife habitats, as people cut trees for fires and charcoal.
Constant promotion of expensive, unreliable wind and solar power. Wind turbines slice up birds and collapse bat lungs. Turbines and solar arrays would have to cover millions of acres to provide power for cities. They require ultra-long transmission lines and backup gas generators, and consume millions of tons of concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass, polymers and rare earth (lanthanide) minerals – all of which have to extracted from the Earth and processed into finished products, burning fossil fuels and generating mining wastes and air and water pollution every step of the way.
As Planet Gore blogger Greg Pollowitz has noted, Con Ed must generate 13,450 megawatts to meet New York City’s air conditioning and other electricity needs during this July heat wave. The 600-turbine Roscoe wind farm blankets 100,000 Texas acres to generate 782 MW at full capacity. That means NYC would need a wind farm 1.6 times the size of Connecticut (5 million acres or 2 million hectares), if the turbines are running at a generous 30% of capacity. But during the heat wave, there’s barely a breeze.
Now multiply that habitat demand times the world’s biggest cities, and calculate the biodiversity impact. No wonder the wind industry wants exemptions from endangered species rules and environmental impact studies that hyper-regulate fossil fuel and nuclear companies. No wonder Senator Diane Feinstein has introduced legislation to prohibit solar panel installations in the super-sunny Mojave Desert.
* Equally fanatical advocacy for biofuels, especially ethanol. Every 7 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol requires crops grown on an area the size of Indiana (23 million acres) – and Congress now wants the USA to produce 20 billion gallons of EtOH annually by 2020. In addition to this massive food crop and wildlife habitat land grab, ethanol production requires billions of gallons of water, millions of tons of fertilizer and insecticides, and vast quantities of natural gas and diesel fuel to power tractors, tanker trucks and conversion plants – to distill a fuel that gets 20% fewer mpg than gasoline.
Washington didn't grind to a sweaty halt last week under triple-digit temperatures. People didn't even slow down. Instead, the three-day, 100-plus-degree, record-shattering heat wave prompted Washingtonians to crank up their favorite humidity-reducing, electricity-bill-busting, fluorocarbon-filled appliance: the air conditioner.
This isn't smart. In a country that's among the world's highest greenhouse-gas emitters, air conditioning is one of the worst power-guzzlers. The energy required to air-condition American homes and retail spaces has doubled since the early 1990s. Turning buildings into refrigerators burns fossil fuels, which emits greenhouse gases, which raises global temperatures, which creates a need for -- you guessed it -- more air-conditioning.
A.C.'s obvious public-health benefits during severe heat waves do not justify its lavish use in everyday life for months on end. Less than half a century ago, America thrived with only the spottiest use of air conditioning. It could again. While central air will always be needed in facilities such as hospitals, archives and cooling centers for those who are vulnerable to heat, what would an otherwise A.C.-free Washington look like?
I'm at 203 consecutive days without using my heating or air conditioning units. A couple days were iffy on turning on the AC. We resisted the temptation. The cooler global temperature also helped. :P
Well, I don't think any reasonable person would agree that keeping department stores at 60 degrees in the summer is a good idea.
I went from March 20th to May 4th without using heat or A/C. That's about the longest we go in Phoenix.
Some fool in the Phoenix metro area last year went all summer without A/C in his house and blogged about it. He did things like keep his underwear in the freezer, sleeping in wet sheets, jumping straight from a cold shower into bed, etc etc.
Some areas of the country can do that, but Phoenix cannot.
Some areas of the country can do that, but Phoenix cannot.
I think people lived and flourished in AZ long before AC was invented. Admit it, you've gone soft on US. :shades:
PS That was the reason I sold my place in Lake Havasu. The AC in all the stores and bars gave me colds. I personally liked hanging out on the lake. Just jump in when I got too warm. Going from 120 outside to 70 degrees inside is just unhealthy.
Gary says, "I think people lived and flourished in AZ long before AC was invented. Admit it, you've gone soft on US. "
Um, no, they did not "flourish" in the summer. They "survived" by sleeping outside on cots, wrapped in wet sheets and braving pneumonia. No one in any era had an easy time in AZ summers, excluding some of the Native Americans who lived in caves.
Gary says, "The AC in all the stores and bars gave me colds."
Wrong. Wive's tale. No scientific studies have shown that you can get a cold that way. Colds come from viruses.
Maybe it was not a cold. Just a runny nose and a sore throat. Same as I get flying many times. A Sudafed or Coracidan seems to get rid of the symptoms. Not sure what it was. I know it was related to going from very warm outdoors into a place with AC. Could be allergies if I have any.
PS Scientific studies show we are cooling and warming all at the same time. Take your pick. We are well below normal this year. So I pick cooling YWMV.
The above was for larsb's direct benefit, huh? Once my wife and I had Sears install central air conditioning in our SE Arizona home we enjoyed the Arizona summers a lot more.
Whew...Willcox just cooks in the summer and it is still about 10 degrees cooler than Tucson's summers..which are 10 degrees cooler than Phoenix's! So larsb...econut or whatever...dude...where's your A/C? :P
I usually set it at 81 when I'm home with the kids. Maybe 82 or 83 when I'm home alone just chillin' in the recliner with a big ole' 54" ceiling fan blowing on me.
My kids are not A/C worshipers. They never complain about the house being "hot" so 81-83 is fine with them.
With the solar panels, my April/May/June/July electric bills TOTAL $214.31 for the 4 months. That includes the cost of the solar panel lease.
One of my neighbors told me his June bill ALONE was $280.
my wife and I are renting a small house in Elko, NV, and we're both at work here in this small city now. This small house has a ceiling fan in the living room but no central air or other cooling devices built in. It does heat up in Elko, it's 84 degrees right now and will probably reach about 88 today.
I just looked at the temp.guage for the living area and it says 83 degrees, last night it was saying 89.
My wife rolls out our Pinguino portable A/C in the bedroom for cooling while resting and it really works well. When it's rolled in to the living room area it has to work harder but manages pretty well. The first full months Nevada Energy electric bill was $86.66 and we used 656 KWH's. To me this is an acceptable summertime bill.
I'd say we're using the portable A/C about the same as that month, so we're looking at a similar bill in August. This is acceptable to me, but we regulate the portable's usage to how much we need it. Of course it can be set to come on automatically and the temp.'s can be set to a certain degree of coolness, etc. We prefer the constant hands-on method of using the machine.
Your solar panels in place electric bills are very reasonable, larsb. Can't argue with that. But how much are the solar panels? Yes, $280 is way too much of an electric bill for your neighbor ta pay! Ouch!
That's as bad as AG and his out-of-control monster-usage carbon footprint. 'Cept his electric bills have got ta be way more than that even.
it hit about 92 in Elko, NV, today. Depending on your thermometer source, but pretty hot for me. Dare I ask how hot it was for a high in Phoenix, AZ, today?
You can have ours. Here in Kansas City, we had one of the longest cold periods with one of the worst snow accumulation levels that we've ever had. It started getting cool & rainy last August, and didn't warm up til June. I was not amused.
I think it's very nifty what you've done with the solar panels, and I'm absolutely stunned at how much money you've saved. I don't always agree with stances taken by self-appointed environmentalists, but I have a lot of respect for people like you who aren't preachers, but who actually take meaningful steps to reduce their own environmental impact.
And yes, I have a problem with the celebs who do a lot of hand-wringing over the environment, yet refuse to reduce their own consumption & impact. For them, driving a Prius is for other people - they need limos and giant SUVs. They are important, so they need to take private jets everywhere. Only we, the little people, should do more.
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They are important, so they need to take private jets everywhere
You mean like DiCaprio that drives a Prius to the Academy Awards and flies his private jet to the World Cup games. So many private jets at the airport that commercial airliners were re-routed and folks missed the games.
I agree that folks that live what they preach, are good examples. People like DiCaprio and Al Gore make me want to puke and drive my Sequoia more. Except I am too cheap to waste any more gas than I have to.
Bah, I've been on the road for 4 days using up some of my carbon credits and I bet you didn't even notice.
Back at the house-sitting gig in Taos today, where the high today was a mild 87 degrees. So we didn't have to turn on the AC (which is a joke, since this strawbale house doesn't have an AC...or a furnace). When the sun went down, I had to go put some jeans and a long sleeved shirt on.
I need a strawbale car - I bet we ran the AC 85% of the time in the van (were over by 4 Corners area). Been afraid to check the mpg.
sounds like it's up in that northern part of New Mexico where they made an infomercial selling all sorts of lots and houses in these special package plans. For retirees. It actually looked beautiful.
In June of 2007 we went up to Grants, NM, to see a Foghat concert. They had a freak wind and rainstorm and some of the band's equipment was rained on and the tent top was all shredded to pieces by the wind. The cops standing out front telling us with a little too much glee that the show was canceled only angered my son and I.
One of the cops got a stern Big Boy cop voice and told my son to just turn the other direction and walk away. He was being a jerk, though, and not splaning thoroughly what was happening. No refunds were to be given out, either. The whole thing was a humongous buzz-kill of the highest degree.
Then later at a bar they (Marlboro Man type cops in grey suits... :confuse:) questioned my son's out-of-state ID and jumped him and peppered him with guilt and dismay...my wife and I were already back at the hotel we were all staying at. They peppered him with all kinds of "we don't trust you...is this ID real"...blah-blah-blah...wouldn't let him leave...threatened him with bodily harm...well...threatened to throw him in the slammer...etc. Total dorks and an overall continuation of buzzkill that it looks like Grants specializes in.
So we don't have a very good overall view of Grants, NM, that was a bit of a nightmare. The next day, fully Foghat-less, we traveled on to Albuquerque and had a real good meal there and took a look around the city for a while.
What helped make up for the dissappointment of Grants was on the way home to Willcox, AZ, in SE Arizona, the beautiful highway that heads off of State Hiway 25 and goes up towards Silver City, NM. In southwestern NM. Now that's some gorgeous scenery from up there as you travel up the forested mountains. Beautiful. Silver City is one of those artsy-fartsy towns that is kind of laid back and just...nice.
We did a backpack up the Gila River to a hot spring one January about 25 years ago on a roadtrip and we must have gone to Silver City, but we don't remember it. Several people have told us to move there. The climate sounds milder than up here in the northern part of the state - this is one of those areas where you often see huge piles of logs in people's yards for their winter heat.
Oh yeah, it's windy here too, but not many windmills around.
(Didn't get to Grants, but had a pleasant stretch break at nearby Crown Point).
A/C is a minor expense in central Indiana. My electric bill jumped to $159 for June 10-July 10. A no a/c month like April is $90, so a/c during hottest month is $2.30 a day or less than 10 cents an hour. That is to keep 3000 sf at 72 degrees on 94 degree days and 75 degree nights.
During January, my $33 summertime natural gas bill goes to $240. About $7 a day to heat the house. That makes heating three times as expensive as cooling. I look forward to summertime a/c season as a time when my total utilities are lower.
I recently discovered that my old car gets the same mileage with the a/c on or off. Fourth gear is broken so the engine revs so high to run down the interstate with the a/c on in the summer that the a/c load is not felt. In addition, the a/c is stronger due to the higher revs. It's probably my only vehicle with free a/c. It gets 21 mpg city, hwy, combined, a/c or no a/c.
My daughter and son in law just bought a brand new Jagoe home in Evansville, IN. They are so sure of their insulation and eco friendly homes that they guarantee the gas and electric will be $50 per month or less. They will pay anything over that for a year. It is only 1500 sq feet on one level. My heat in CA is more than the AC also. We are on propane and the first winter 07/08 we had a month and a half that cost me $519. I learned to live with it in the 60s from then on. I think my biggest summer electric was about $150.
I don't even have a window unit in the house. And about the only time I'll run it in the car is when the wife complains. I do use some energy to cool-off - running the hot-tub heater a little to keep the water 90F. So I'll go jump in the hot-tub if I want to cool off. Oh and we do run some fans to move the air around.
As far as Heat Index goes I'd rather a Western 100F day, than our NE 85F w/near 100% R.H. I've been in Vegas and Phoenix when it's been 98F, and thought it was fine to go jogging.
I don't think many people in Mexico or Central America have AC, and they get along just fine.
My decade in Boise with low, low humidity has been nice (and nothing goes stale). Much easier to tolerate than my two decades down in Mississippi and Tennessee were.
As they say, it's a dry heat. And so is a pizza oven, as one of my buds points out.
From MSNBC, your favorite GW channel, comes this tidbit:
Evansville is only 65 miles north of Arizona. It can be hot there. Evansville is almost in heat-pump territory.
I recently moved 21 miles south, through Indy, and the avg year-round temp at home went up 6-7 degrees. Elevation dropped from 1000 to 880. On a lot of summer days, that was the difference between 83 and 90 degrees. 83 with 25% humidity isn't too bad. Just couldn't take the long drive to work. Now when I drive 48 miles away, I say wow, I did that every morning for over 4 years.
I have always thought Idaho would be a great place to live. If not for all the kids and grand kids we have in the KC area I would be doing a serious investigation about moving there.
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/07/the-muir-cru-apologia-is-out/
The real-life Sir Muir Russell, a senior civil servant, seems a virtual clone of Sir Humphrey Appleby, the career civil servant in the Yes, Minister comedy, whose internal reviews always produce just what political expediency requires. Russell was tasked with heading the review of the Climategate scandal involving the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at Great Britain's University of East Anglia, and not surprisingly, he exonerated the global-warming alarmists who, in leaked emails, discussed their skewing of information and coverup in support of their alarmism.
Russell’s long tenure in the civil service was checkered with dubious ethical behavior. When the Scottish Parliament Building was costing much more than anyone anticipated, Russell failed to notify the government, and Lord Fraser criticized Russell for keeping quiet about extreme cost overruns. Sir Russell also received pay raises far in excess of inflation. Russell has received honors (e.g., the Order of the Bath) that are granted by the British establishment to those who “play ball.” His wife, Eileen Mackay, is also a lifelong civil servant. How trusted is Russell to “find the right conclusion”? In October 2008, Russell was selected to head the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland. He is “one of the boys” and the only surprise would have been if he had found corruption at the Climate Research Institute.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/3982-russel- l-report-whitewashes-climategate-scandal
The 3 independent panels already spanked the hands. The critical comment from the NEWS STORY - not a biased blog:
Not unlike the two other inquiries, the quality of climate science itself was not under scrutiny
And from an Australian NEWS website:
An American poll found that only 9 per cent of the respondents thought that "Climategate" indicated that climate scientists are untrustworthy, about the same proportion as told a Scottish one that they had altered their opinions as a result of it. A survey for the BBC indicated that just a quarter of those who had heard of it had changed their views – and that most of these had become more convinced of global warming, not less.
Welcome to "The Land Where 91% of Americans Disagree With You," Gary.
http://www.usnews.com/polls/have-climategate-scientists-been-truthful/results.ht- ml
Story of 9% Poll source
The report marks the third and final inquiry into the cache of hacked material.
The first was released in March by the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee. The second, completed in April, was conducted by a group of independent researchers recommended by the Royal Society, a national science academy in Britain, and led by Ron Oxburgh, a former geologist and Shell chair.
How about an independent study by those that do not believe they are telling the truth? Why not a court trial with real witnesses against the scam artists? There was NOTHING independent about any of those studies. About as believable as the weather reports coming from the Phoenix airport tarmac.
An American poll found that only 9 per cent of the respondents thought that Climategate" indicated that climate scientists are untrustworthy
AN AMERICAN POLL. Of whom?
Well, the radio stations have their own gauges. They virtually match the "official temps" nearly every time.
When it's 109 at the airport, usually 108-111 at the radio stations.
TV stations also report their highs - always in line with the airport temps.
Phoenix has about 15 suburbs, and when the little TV guy shows all the temps on the 3D map, guess what? AGAIN, they are all in line with the airport temps, except the higher elevations and outlying areas are usually a degree or three cooler, duh.
So chew on that info, Mr. "Historical Temperature Doubter" :-) ;-)
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An Ipsos MORI poll published last month suggested that 78 percent of Britons believed that the world's climate was changing, compared with 91 percent five years earlier. Seventy-one percent of respondents expressed concern about global warming, versus 82 percent in 2005. The pollster surveyed 1,822 people aged 15 and over in face-to-face interviews between January and March 2010.
Polls may show public opinion shifting more in line with Senator Inhofe's views, but they also show that his views remain in the minority. A poll conducted by Stanford University in the first week of June shows three out of four Americans think the earth has been warming over the last 100 years, and the same number think human activity is at least in part to blame.
the Earf is warming and that man cannot be excluded from being a possible factor.
Those are the facts as we type here today.
The earth warming and man as a possible factor, is a far cry from the earth is warming and man IS the major cause. That is the issue. That is what CRU lied about. That is what ended up in the UN IPCC report based on the mishandled data by Phil Jones and the CRU bunch. I don't think most of the 30,000 climatologist and scientist would disagree that the earth could be in a warming trend. Or a cooling trend. It is blaming man for the changes and trying to cash in on that alarmist ideology is what separates the skeptics from the cult. When you want to charge me 25% more for my utilities based on a theory, I am going to scream bloody murder. That is what is happening in many places around the world including the USA.
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David Eyton, BP Group Vice President, Research & Technology, is a member of the Muir Russell panel. Only one submission (mine) criticized his presence on the Muir Russell panel. There was total radio silence from climate scientists. Why was this perpetually outraged community so silent? More on this later.
Eyton’s bio is particularly interesting in the present circumstances.
David joined BP in 1982 from Cambridge University with an Engineering degree. During his early career, he held a number of Petroleum Engineering, Commercial and Business Management positions. In 1996, he was named General Manager of BP’s North West Shelf interest in Australia. David later managed Wytch Farm in the UK and then BP’s Gas Businesses in Trinidad. In September 2001, he became Lord John Browne’s Executive Assistant in the company’s London headquarters. Following that assignment, David was Vice President of Deepwater Developments in the Gulf of Mexico and prior to his current role was BP’s Exploration and Production Group Vice President for Technology.
http://climateaudit.org/2010/05/21/bp-and-the-climategate-inquiry/
Lord Muir Russell with a very shady history in politics and academia.
We have Boulton with an admitted AGW bias.
Eyton works for BP on deep water drilling, not very successfully I should add. What is his credentials for investigating climate fraud?
Peter Clarke is not a climate scientist or investigator.
Jim Norton is an IT Investment guy, so may be qualified to investigate the actual emails for authenticity.
I see no balance or unbiased panel investigating Climategate. Looks like the Brits would like this to just go away.
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Oxburgh and the Jones Admission
The Russell report does NOT address the issues that ClimateGate exposed. It was supposed to be a peer review of the raw data that was manipulated by Phil Jones and company. The report only examines the integrity of the scientists involved. We do not know anymore about what was done with the raw data than before the report was issued. Looks like another waste of money by Sir Muir Russell. Something he has a long history of doing. He is one of the good ole boys.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/07/hacked-climate-science-emails-- climate-change
Does the requested information fall within the definition of “environmental information” under the EIR?
34. The Commissioner notes that the public authority dealt with the complainant’s requests under FOIA. In a subsequent submission to the Commissioner it argued that this was the correct decision as the information requested by the complainant did not fall within the definition of “environmental information” contained in Regulation 2(1)
of the EIR. In its view the complainant’s requests were for correspondence concerning work assessing the quality of environmental research and for information on IPCC principles, rules and procedures. It went on to explain why it did not believe this
information fell within any part of the definition of environmental information.
If the data used for the Hockey Stick and the IPCC report is honest, why no peer review or turning over the raw data?
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The real threats to the world’s species are environmentalism, misguided environmental policies, and anti-technology zealotry. Here’s the tip of the iceberg.
* Intensive, unrelenting opposition to coal, gas, nuclear and hydroelectric plants for generating the electricity that two billion people worldwide so desperately need. Not only does this force people to rely on open fires for heating and cooking – perpetuating poverty, lung disease and premature death.
It also destroys mountain gorilla and other wildlife habitats, as people cut trees for fires and charcoal.
Constant promotion of expensive, unreliable wind and solar power. Wind turbines slice up birds and collapse bat lungs. Turbines and solar arrays would have to cover millions of acres to provide power for cities. They require ultra-long transmission lines and backup gas generators, and consume millions of tons of concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass, polymers and rare earth (lanthanide) minerals – all of which have to extracted from the Earth and processed into finished products, burning fossil fuels and generating mining wastes and air and water pollution every step of the way.
As Planet Gore blogger Greg Pollowitz has noted, Con Ed must generate 13,450 megawatts to meet New York City’s air conditioning and other electricity needs during this July heat wave. The 600-turbine Roscoe wind farm blankets 100,000 Texas acres to generate 782 MW at full capacity. That means NYC would need a wind farm 1.6 times the size of Connecticut (5 million acres or 2 million hectares), if the turbines are running at a generous 30% of capacity. But during the heat wave, there’s barely a breeze.
Now multiply that habitat demand times the world’s biggest cities, and calculate the biodiversity impact. No wonder the wind industry wants exemptions from endangered species rules and environmental impact studies that hyper-regulate fossil fuel and nuclear companies. No wonder Senator Diane Feinstein has introduced legislation to prohibit solar panel installations in the super-sunny Mojave Desert.
* Equally fanatical advocacy for biofuels, especially ethanol. Every 7 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol requires crops grown on an area the size of Indiana (23 million acres) – and Congress now wants the USA to produce 20 billion gallons of EtOH annually by 2020. In addition to this massive food crop and wildlife habitat land grab, ethanol production requires billions of gallons of water, millions of tons of fertilizer and insecticides, and vast quantities of natural gas and diesel fuel to power tractors, tanker trucks and conversion plants – to distill a fuel that gets 20% fewer mpg than gasoline.
http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulDriessen/2010/07/12/destroying_biodiversity/p- age/1
Sunday, July 11, 2010; B03
Washington didn't grind to a sweaty halt last week under triple-digit temperatures. People didn't even slow down. Instead, the three-day, 100-plus-degree, record-shattering heat wave prompted Washingtonians to crank up their favorite humidity-reducing, electricity-bill-busting, fluorocarbon-filled appliance: the air conditioner.
This isn't smart. In a country that's among the world's highest greenhouse-gas emitters, air conditioning is one of the worst power-guzzlers. The energy required to air-condition American homes and retail spaces has doubled since the early 1990s. Turning buildings into refrigerators burns fossil fuels, which emits greenhouse gases, which raises global temperatures, which creates a need for -- you guessed it -- more air-conditioning.
A.C.'s obvious public-health benefits during severe heat waves do not justify its lavish use in everyday life for months on end. Less than half a century ago, America thrived with only the spottiest use of air conditioning. It could again. While central air will always be needed in facilities such as hospitals, archives and cooling centers for those who are vulnerable to heat, what would an otherwise A.C.-free Washington look like?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070902341_- pf.html
I'm at 203 consecutive days without using my heating or air conditioning units. A couple days were iffy on turning on the AC. We resisted the temptation. The cooler global temperature also helped. :P
I went from March 20th to May 4th without using heat or A/C. That's about the longest we go in Phoenix.
Some fool in the Phoenix metro area last year went all summer without A/C in his house and blogged about it. He did things like keep his underwear in the freezer, sleeping in wet sheets, jumping straight from a cold shower into bed, etc etc.
Some areas of the country can do that, but Phoenix cannot.
I think people lived and flourished in AZ long before AC was invented. Admit it, you've gone soft on US. :shades:
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That was the reason I sold my place in Lake Havasu. The AC in all the stores and bars gave me colds. I personally liked hanging out on the lake. Just jump in when I got too warm. Going from 120 outside to 70 degrees inside is just unhealthy.
Um, no, they did not "flourish" in the summer. They "survived" by sleeping outside on cots, wrapped in wet sheets and braving pneumonia. No one in any era had an easy time in AZ summers, excluding some of the Native Americans who lived in caves.
Gary says, "The AC in all the stores and bars gave me colds."
Wrong. Wive's tale. No scientific studies have shown that you can get a cold that way. Colds come from viruses.
Can the Cold Give You a Cold?
There are many myths about the connection between weather and colds.
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Scientific studies show we are cooling and warming all at the same time. Take your pick. We are well below normal this year. So I pick cooling YWMV.
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The above was for larsb's direct benefit, huh? Once my wife and I had Sears install central air conditioning in our SE Arizona home we enjoyed the Arizona summers a lot more.
Whew...Willcox just cooks in the summer and it is still about 10 degrees cooler than Tucson's summers..which are 10 degrees cooler than Phoenix's! So larsb...econut or whatever...dude...where's your A/C? :P
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My kids are not A/C worshipers. They never complain about the house being "hot" so 81-83 is fine with them.
With the solar panels, my April/May/June/July electric bills TOTAL $214.31 for the 4 months. That includes the cost of the solar panel lease.
One of my neighbors told me his June bill ALONE was $280.
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I just looked at the temp.guage for the living area and it says 83 degrees, last night it was saying 89.
My wife rolls out our Pinguino portable A/C in the bedroom for cooling while resting and it really works well. When it's rolled in to the living room area it has to work harder but manages pretty well. The first full months Nevada Energy electric bill was $86.66 and we used 656 KWH's. To me this is an acceptable summertime bill.
I'd say we're using the portable A/C about the same as that month, so we're looking at a similar bill in August. This is acceptable to me, but we regulate the portable's usage to how much we need it. Of course it can be set to come on automatically and the temp.'s can be set to a certain degree of coolness, etc. We prefer the constant hands-on method of using the machine.
Your solar panels in place electric bills are very reasonable, larsb. Can't argue with that. But how much are the solar panels? Yes, $280 is way too much of an electric bill for your neighbor ta pay! Ouch!
That's as bad as AG and his out-of-control monster-usage carbon footprint. 'Cept his electric bills have got ta be way more than that even.
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Neighbors: Glendale woman found dead wouldn't use AC
The lowest amount my utility company (SRP) bill can EVER be is $16.41 ( $15.00 monthly service fee plus taxes).
So I pay at least, at BAREST POSSIBLE minimum, $54.88 per month for electricity.
Once a year, at the end of April, SRP pays me my "negative balance kwh" in cash. This year it was $22.04.
But that was only for about 3 months of owning the panels.
I expect it next year to be around $60.
That would put my average monthly bill at $49.88.
Not many people in Phoenix can boast an average that low.
Ouch in advance!
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Yowzah !!
Let's have some more of the Global Cooling everyone is talking about "flown in" to Phoenix, PLEASE?
I think it's very nifty what you've done with the solar panels, and I'm absolutely stunned at how much money you've saved. I don't always agree with stances taken by self-appointed environmentalists, but I have a lot of respect for people like you who aren't preachers, but who actually take meaningful steps to reduce their own environmental impact.
And yes, I have a problem with the celebs who do a lot of hand-wringing over the environment, yet refuse to reduce their own consumption & impact. For them, driving a Prius is for other people - they need limos and giant SUVs. They are important, so they need to take private jets everywhere. Only we, the little people, should do more.
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You mean like DiCaprio that drives a Prius to the Academy Awards and flies his private jet to the World Cup games. So many private jets at the airport that commercial airliners were re-routed and folks missed the games.
I agree that folks that live what they preach, are good examples. People like DiCaprio and Al Gore make me want to puke and drive my Sequoia more. Except I am too cheap to waste any more gas than I have to.
Bah, I've been on the road for 4 days using up some of my carbon credits and I bet you didn't even notice.
Back at the house-sitting gig in Taos today, where the high today was a mild 87 degrees. So we didn't have to turn on the AC (which is a joke, since this strawbale house doesn't have an AC...or a furnace). When the sun went down, I had to go put some jeans and a long sleeved shirt on.
I need a strawbale car - I bet we ran the AC 85% of the time in the van (were over by 4 Corners area). Been afraid to check the mpg.
In June of 2007 we went up to Grants, NM, to see a Foghat concert. They had a freak wind and rainstorm and some of the band's equipment was rained on and the tent top was all shredded to pieces by the wind. The cops standing out front telling us with a little too much glee that the show was canceled only angered my son and I.
One of the cops got a stern Big Boy cop voice and told my son to just turn the other direction and walk away. He was being a jerk, though, and not splaning thoroughly what was happening. No refunds were to be given out, either. The whole thing was a humongous buzz-kill of the highest degree.
Then later at a bar they (Marlboro Man type cops in grey suits... :confuse:) questioned my son's out-of-state ID and jumped him and peppered him with guilt and dismay...my wife and I were already back at the hotel we were all staying at. They peppered him with all kinds of "we don't trust you...is this ID real"...blah-blah-blah...wouldn't let him leave...threatened him with bodily harm...well...threatened to throw him in the slammer...etc. Total dorks and an overall continuation of buzzkill that it looks like Grants specializes in.
So we don't have a very good overall view of Grants, NM, that was a bit of a nightmare. The next day, fully Foghat-less, we traveled on to Albuquerque and had a real good meal there and took a look around the city for a while.
What helped make up for the dissappointment of Grants was on the way home to Willcox, AZ, in SE Arizona, the beautiful highway that heads off of State Hiway 25 and goes up towards Silver City, NM. In southwestern NM. Now that's some gorgeous scenery from up there as you travel up the forested mountains. Beautiful. Silver City is one of those artsy-fartsy towns that is kind of laid back and just...nice.
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Oh yeah, it's windy here too, but not many windmills around.
(Didn't get to Grants, but had a pleasant stretch break at nearby Crown Point).
My electric bill jumped to $159 for June 10-July 10.
A no a/c month like April is $90, so a/c during hottest month is $2.30 a day or less than 10 cents an hour. That is to keep 3000 sf at 72 degrees on 94 degree days and 75 degree nights.
During January, my $33 summertime natural gas bill goes to $240. About $7 a day to heat the house. That makes heating three times as expensive as cooling. I look forward to summertime a/c season as a time when my total utilities are lower.
I recently discovered that my old car gets the same mileage with the a/c on or off. Fourth gear is broken so the engine revs so high to run down the interstate with the a/c on in the summer that the a/c load is not felt. In addition, the a/c is stronger due to the higher revs. It's probably my only vehicle with free a/c. It gets 21 mpg city, hwy, combined, a/c or no a/c.
As far as Heat Index goes I'd rather a Western 100F day, than our NE 85F w/near 100% R.H. I've been in Vegas and Phoenix when it's been 98F, and thought it was fine to go jogging.
I don't think many people in Mexico or Central America have AC, and they get along just fine.
As they say, it's a dry heat. And so is a pizza oven, as one of my buds points out.
From MSNBC, your favorite GW channel, comes this tidbit:
Jan.-June warmest first half of year on record
"In addition, last month was the warmest June on record at 61.1 degrees F — 1.22 degrees F above the 20th Century average."
I recently moved 21 miles south, through Indy, and the avg year-round temp at home went up 6-7 degrees. Elevation dropped from 1000 to 880. On a lot of summer days, that was the difference between 83 and 90 degrees. 83 with 25% humidity isn't too bad. Just couldn't take the long drive to work. Now when I drive 48 miles away, I say wow, I did that every morning for over 4 years.
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