Australians were urged Tuesday to eat camels to stop them wreaking environmental havoc, just months after being told to save the world from climate change by consuming kangaroos.
A three-year study has found that Australia's population of more than a million feral camels -- the largest wild herd on earth -- is out of control and damaging fragile desert ecosystems and water sources.
The Desert Knowledge Cooperative Research Centre, which produced the report, plans to serve camel meat at a barbecue for senior public servants in Canberra on Wednesday to press its point.
Report co-author Professor Murray McGregor said a good way to bring down the number of camels was to eat them.
"Eat a camel today, I've done it," he told the national AAP news agency.
"It's beautiful meat. It's a bit like beef. It's as lean as lean, it's an excellent health food."
Similar claims are made for kangaroo meat, but the rationale for farming and eating the national emblem -- as outlined by the government's chief climate change adviser in October -- is different.
Millions of farm animals such as cows and sheep produce massive amounts of harmful greenhouse gases, said Professor Ross Garnaut, but kangaroos emit negligible amounts of methane.
More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'
POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
A hint of what the upcoming report contains:
“I am a skeptic Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly .As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another .Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
This movie was first made back around 1951 but a new version is slated to open this weekend.
The original was about an alien who landed here to warn us that our wars and atom bombs would eventually destroy us all so we better cut it out. The new version is similar but our crime this time is that we are destroying Mother Earth by man made global warming and pollution etc..... so we better cut this out.
Mostly youngsters go to see these sci-fi movies and I am sure that after being beat over the head for a couple of hours with this nonsense they will all be converted to the Hollywood version of our global warming sins.
No one is going to feel "deceived" because there was never any attempt to deceive.
How can you be so sure? Greed causes people to deceive other people all the time. From the start of the man made GW hysteria it smelled of greed and deception to me. If you believed it you were deceived. Whether you feel it or not.
You must not have gotten the word while traveling. The earth has not warmed AT ALL in the last 10 years. It is cooler. We are headed to an ice age. Better bundle up.
Huntsville, AL (AHN) - Globally, the Earth's atmosphere has warmed an average of about 0.72 degrees Fahrenheit (0.4 C) in 30 years, according to data collected from NOAA and NASA satellites. Over 80 percent of the planet has warmed by some measure.
Half of the globe has warmed at least half a degree Fahrenheit, and a quarter of the planet has warmed by at least one degree Fahrenheit, according to John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center (ESSC) at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
"He was an early advocate of finding scientific solutions to combat climate change, according to the Berkeley Lab Web site. And during his tenure there, he has worked to make the Berkeley facility a world leader in alternative and renewable energy research, particularly with the development of carbon-neutral energy sources."
"As global warming warnings grow more dire, Chu is currently pushing his scientists at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and industry to develop technologies to reverse climate change." (Wikipedia)
You are forgetting the MARS data again!!! Read the past appends.
To 'normalize' your data... one needs to SUBTRACT the amount that MARS has also warmed up due to the sun putting out more heat. After normalizing your data... the Earth is not really getting much warmer than any of our neighboring planets.
Lets not get into humans causing the Sun to get hotter...
Two global warming advocates were tired of hearing that the sun was putting out more heat and applied for a grant to land on the sun so they could check things out.
The head GOICG (government official in charge of grants) told them that he was afraid that they would burn up if they attempted to land on the sun.
They told him this would not be a problem because they would go at night.
Yeah, that's why she decided to transfer. Wanted to leave the grad school option open and figured grades would be easier.
I don't know anything about the other appointees warming up in the bullpen, but "The appointments suggest that Obama plans to make a strong push for measures to combat global warming and programs to support energy innovation. "I think it's a great team," said Daniel A. Lashof, director of the Climate Center at the Natural Resources Defense Council. "On policy, it's a dramatic contrast based on what I know about the policy direction that all these folks will be bringing to these positions."
If the Energy department decides to put a lot of goofy Carbon Credit policy into play, you can bet the 2010 election will be a bloodbath for the Democrats. Just like 1994. Some of the crap that CA has mandated is not practical or even possible with the warring Eco terrorist groups running this state. This Chu guy may be very capable. I hope he has some common sense. Something lacking in most of the Al Gore followers.
You have to believe that Chu was vetted by Gore to some extent. Gore and Obama met yesterday, and the "eco-team" was announced today. Or maybe Obama felt he had to let Gore down easy.
I don't think Gore would take the job. It is beneath his place in life. He likes traveling around spreading his tales of NYC going under water in the next few years.
Indeed NYC has more to fear from earthquakes, rather than going under water; other than a hurricane that goes much farther north than normal. . Of course some Gore ite will probably try to link upstate new york co2 from that one horse in the field causing the earthquake.
So if we could get C02 down to Planet HD 189733b levels from our earth levels. Life as WE know it on earth would be like life on planet HD 189733b : in a word, UNSUSTAINABLE. Go free radicals !!! :lemon:
Tesla is only one EXAMPLE of a vendor of electric cars. The passenger vehicle fleet of EV passenger vehicle fleet has been and REMAINS nearly not measurable (less than .001 percent) Less C02 producting AND I might add less fuel consuming diesel passenger cars struggle to get pass 1% of the passenger vehicle fleet!!!
There are literally GREAT SALES on 12-15 mpg gasser trucks and suv's however !!! Nobody says it directly, but I would SWAG MASSIVE MY 07,08,09 inventories.
The writings are clearly on the walls. So my goal is to keep 15 year old suv 's going for..... another 15 years !!! Life is good. If RUG goes to .74 cents like in 1986/1987, it will be better!
LOL !!! You know there is a real reason why reasonable folks move out of upstate new york!!! (hint, for those who havent lived, till you lived in upstate: not global warming)
I can't say that I was a supporter of Tesla either. He does make some good points on using the money as designated. Not just as a general bailout. I would like to see the Feds encourage companies like Mitubishi and Pinanfarina that have EVs developed to set up shop here to build their cars. Then get the EPA off their high horse on certain restrictions that will destroy the small practical EV from ever being sold here.
The point is further driven home with examples like Mitsubishi and Pinafarina.
In any case, the operative behaviors cited, makes the point. ( less than almost not measurable EV passenger vehicle cars).
It is further almost ludicrously silly how long it will take to have ANY percentage EV population, once ANY yearly EV volume is factored in ( in context to the 254.1 M registered passenger vehicles) . So for example, Tesla delivered 100 ea EV vehicles. (US market I presume) WOW ! What is 100/ 254,100,000 = ? percentage. Now this is the good news !!!!
China has been cleared by the Kyoto Accord Treaty to launch easily to minimums of 300,000,000 (300 million) more RUG to PUG vehicles !? They incidently do not even meet minimum European emission standards, so vilified by the US domestic emissions "burning a greater volume is better for the environment than burning a lesser volume " folks. Incidently China also has 6 to almost 7 x the population of the US and the average "Joe Chinese" aspires to be... like US !!!
Not to be outflanked, what would one project INDIA wants??? :shades:
I did say that the Tesla guy made a good case for use of that money. I think Tesla has just become another ZAP looking for investors and doing very little to produce practical cars. I would rather see the money go for cars that are already in existence and being sold around the world. The money to be used for US factories to produce viable EVs.I would include the Mini E, though I think it will be a rich man's toy also.
What would signal seriousness and also dial up the believability would be for government agencies to buy ONLY EV vehicles !! We can start with the most visible.... Police cruisers? :shades:
Got OLD news for you boys, the whole Silicon Valley is like that !! It has been that way for the 40 some odd years I have been associated with it. The only thing permanent has been... change.
I lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid (my dad worked for ARAMCO - "Arabian American Oil Company")
I recall that in the late 1960s and early 70s... the Arab service folks all drove electric vehicles around. (Guys that fixed Air-Conditioners, Plumbers...etc) These vehicles looked like a bright orange Jeep CJ5 with a canvas top on it. They went no more than about 15 MPH.
My point is that electric cars can be practical even when gasoline costs 12 cents a gallon.
I'm back on line after a two day preview of the life-style Al has planned for us, a totally carbon free way of living.
A major ice storm put the power grid out of action in our area. People had no heat, no lights, couldn't drive as the roads were impassable and gas stations couldn't pump gas. All the things that Gore and his followers are trying to do away with were gone.
The result was a population of cold, hungry, frightened people huddling in the dark. Just the world that Al has waiting for us. Not for himself, mind you, for US.
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Makes you wonder why the press, at almost all levels did not cover/almost IGNORED these INCONVENIENT realities. I am glad you are back on line and have the "ESSENTIAL" services restored.
How useful do you think solar panels would have been in your backyard? I know around here many would have been smashed, by the same trees that brought down the power lines. And at the time of year where we want the most energy, guess what the sun is only up about 9 hr a day low on the horizon.
I wonder if windmills froze up in the storm, or were damaged by the weight of the ice?
"...How useful do you think solar panels would have been in your backyard..."
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure the panels would have been damaged by the trees as you would locate them far away from trees for maximum sun exposure. The trouble would be that during the storm the skys are very cloudy so your panels wouldn't be doing much. Combine that with ice build-up and performance really sucks. And of course, at night they do nothing at all.
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The only sure thing is a FOSSIL FUEL GENERATOR as back up. A 3k to 5k Honda with the proper power switch is ideal. As the ICE AGE sets in I would look for more and more winter outages. If the phone and cable lines are down getting on line will be a challenge. A standalone wood, pellet or oil stove would be a must for Northern climates.
If the grid up there is down for several days (and it likely will be for a significant number of people), it does make you think about on-site generation with battery backup. If you can get the ice off the panels or the blades, you could get power recharging your batteries in a couple of days vs however long it takes for the utility crews to get to your area. You could use some of your stored juice to clear the ice from panels, like a car defroster.
Infrared solar panels work at night, but they are a few years (decades?) from practicality.
Why a generator? Just plug your Honda hybrid into the wall outlet and reverse the current flow. :shades:
I have seen lawn tractors that can double as a generator. I have often wondered why there would not be some way to hook an inexpensive generator up to your car engine and spew out all the power one would need to power home needs in an emergency such as an ice storm.
Why a generator? Just plug your Honda hybrid into the wall outlet and reverse the current flow.
That is exactly what I did with my 2005 GMC Hybrid PU. It had 4 ccts 20 amps each. I kept the refrigerators and freezer going periodically when we had one of those rolling blackouts. The real problem is you need a power transfer switch to isolate your generation from the grid power. If I was going to the trouble of a battery backup system I would just get off the grid and produce all my own. Lots of places in Hawaii do that. Electricity is soooo expensive that alternatives make good sense.
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A three-year study has found that Australia's population of more than a million feral camels -- the largest wild herd on earth -- is out of control and damaging fragile desert ecosystems and water sources.
The Desert Knowledge Cooperative Research Centre, which produced the report, plans to serve camel meat at a barbecue for senior public servants in Canberra on Wednesday to press its point.
Report co-author Professor Murray McGregor said a good way to bring down the number of camels was to eat them.
"Eat a camel today, I've done it," he told the national AAP news agency.
"It's beautiful meat. It's a bit like beef. It's as lean as lean, it's an excellent health food."
Similar claims are made for kangaroo meat, but the rationale for farming and eating the national emblem -- as outlined by the government's chief climate change adviser in October -- is different.
Millions of farm animals such as cows and sheep produce massive amounts of harmful greenhouse gases, said Professor Ross Garnaut, but kangaroos emit negligible amounts of methane.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081209070110.gs8vvzpt&show_article=1
What will PETA say?? :sick:
60 M American buffalo roamed the US plains a short time ago. In a shorter time span, they were down to a herd of less than 2,000 (est).
I guess that saved us from CLIMATE CHANGE before climate change was cool !! (warm to be PC)
Where are the Camel Bill's ?
Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? -
Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'
POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
A hint of what the upcoming report contains:
“I am a skeptic Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly .As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
Lots more:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_i- - d=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another .Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
The original was about an alien who landed here to warn us that our wars and atom bombs would eventually destroy us all so we better cut it out. The new version is similar but our crime this time is that we are destroying Mother Earth by man made global warming and pollution etc..... so we better cut this out.
Mostly youngsters go to see these sci-fi movies and I am sure that after being beat over the head for a couple of hours with this nonsense they will all be converted to the Hollywood version of our global warming sins.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
"When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists."
That's the funniest thing in the report.
No one is going to feel "deceived" because there was never any attempt to deceive.
We are never going to "know the truth" because both sides will always have data to support their view.
How can you be so sure? Greed causes people to deceive other people all the time. From the start of the man made GW hysteria it smelled of greed and deception to me. If you believed it you were deceived. Whether you feel it or not.
But it did not START like that.
The data was out there showing the warming and AlGore and his ilk made a cash-grab using the VALID DATA.
Then the VALID DATA got disputed and other groups now have VALID DATA.
That's why there is no overall intent to deceive. The data is there. The warming is REAL.
That arctic ice is not melting it's own self.
The CAUSE of the warming is the debated issue.
Duelling data.
1998 1.24 .52
1999 .94 .71
2000 .54 .81
2001 .78 .67
2002 .55 .57
2003 .53 .60
2004 .46 .68
2005 .71 .74
2006 1.15 *
2007 .84 *
Every year in the last ten years in the USA has been above the "since 1880" annual mean.
That's from NASA.
Earf has warmed in last 30 years
Huntsville, AL (AHN) - Globally, the Earth's atmosphere has warmed an average of about 0.72 degrees Fahrenheit (0.4 C) in 30 years, according to data collected from NOAA and NASA satellites. Over 80 percent of the planet has warmed by some measure.
Half of the globe has warmed at least half a degree Fahrenheit, and a quarter of the planet has warmed by at least one degree Fahrenheit, according to John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center (ESSC) at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
Nobel physicist Steven Chu in line for energy post (Chron.com)
"As global warming warnings grow more dire, Chu is currently pushing his scientists at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and industry to develop technologies to reverse climate change." (Wikipedia)
To 'normalize' your data... one needs to SUBTRACT the amount that MARS has also warmed up due to the sun putting out more heat. After normalizing your data... the Earth is not really getting much warmer than any of our neighboring planets.
Lets not get into humans causing the Sun to get hotter...
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We finally have someone to blame for all those C02 emitting rituals.
The head GOICG (government official in charge of grants) told them that he was afraid that they would burn up if they attempted to land on the sun.
They told him this would not be a problem because they would go at night.
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I don't know anything about the other appointees warming up in the bullpen, but "The appointments suggest that Obama plans to make a strong push for measures to combat global warming and programs to support energy innovation. "I think it's a great team," said Daniel A. Lashof, director of the Climate Center at the Natural Resources Defense Council. "On policy, it's a dramatic contrast based on what I know about the policy direction that all these folks will be bringing to these positions."
Browner, Two Others to Get Climate Posts
The fact that they are being called "climate posts" should thrill those on the (insert whatever the acceptable "denier" term is) side.
It’s time for (climate) change (Nature)
Kenneth Chang, NY Times
Planet HD 189733b
Must be cars and trucks and human endeavor, but how did we launch it 63 LIGHT YEARS away? :P :lemon:
(Lets see 186,000 miles per second x 60 seconds= 1 hour x 24 hours= 1 day x 365 days x 63 years)
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So if we could get C02 down to Planet HD 189733b levels from our earth levels. Life as WE know it on earth would be like life on planet HD 189733b : in a word, UNSUSTAINABLE. Go free radicals !!! :lemon:
MONEY FOR S.J. AUTO PLANT MAY BE DIVERTED
Matt Nauman, Mercury News
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But I don't have much sympathy for Tesla. They've always seemed more like a stock touting outfit than an energy or car company.
Here's their statement about the bailout:
Message to Washington: Don’t turn a good government program into a bailout
There are literally GREAT SALES on 12-15 mpg gasser trucks and suv's however !!! Nobody says it directly, but I would SWAG MASSIVE MY 07,08,09 inventories.
The writings are clearly on the walls. So my goal is to keep 15 year old suv 's going for..... another 15 years !!!
I bet Al Gore will be down there selling snow shovels as "Global Warming Removal Systems"
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I can't say that I was a supporter of Tesla either. He does make some good points on using the money as designated. Not just as a general bailout. I would like to see the Feds encourage companies like Mitubishi and Pinanfarina that have EVs developed to set up shop here to build their cars. Then get the EPA off their high horse on certain restrictions that will destroy the small practical EV from ever being sold here.
In any case, the operative behaviors cited, makes the point. ( less than almost not measurable EV passenger vehicle cars).
It is further almost ludicrously silly how long it will take to have ANY percentage EV population, once ANY yearly EV volume is factored in ( in context to the 254.1 M registered passenger vehicles) . So for example, Tesla delivered 100 ea EV vehicles. (US market I presume) WOW ! What is 100/ 254,100,000 = ? percentage. Now this is the good news !!!!
China has been cleared by the Kyoto Accord Treaty to launch easily to minimums of 300,000,000 (300 million) more RUG to PUG vehicles !? They incidently do not even meet minimum European emission standards, so vilified by the US domestic emissions "burning a greater volume is better for the environment than burning a lesser volume " folks. Incidently China also has 6 to almost 7 x the population of the US and the average "Joe Chinese" aspires to be... like US !!!
Not to be outflanked, what would one project INDIA wants???
Give them credit for that at least.
That's the feeling I get too.
I recall that in the late 1960s and early 70s... the Arab service folks all drove electric vehicles around. (Guys that fixed Air-Conditioners, Plumbers...etc) These vehicles looked like a bright orange Jeep CJ5 with a canvas top on it. They went no more than about 15 MPH.
My point is that electric cars can be practical even when gasoline costs 12 cents a gallon.
I also recall seeing Messerschmitt cars. ( http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/messerschmitt-kr200-roadst.html)
A major ice storm put the power grid out of action in our area. People had no heat, no lights, couldn't drive as the roads were impassable and gas stations couldn't pump gas. All the things that Gore and his followers are trying to do away with were gone.
The result was a population of cold, hungry, frightened people huddling in the dark.
Just the world that Al has waiting for us. Not for himself, mind you, for US.
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And at the time of year where we want the most energy, guess what the sun is only up about 9 hr a day low on the horizon.
I wonder if windmills froze up in the storm, or were damaged by the weight of the ice?
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure the panels would have been damaged by the trees as you would locate them far away from trees for maximum sun exposure. The trouble would be that during the storm the skys are very cloudy so your panels wouldn't be doing much. Combine that with ice build-up and performance really sucks. And of course, at night they do nothing at all.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Infrared solar panels work at night, but they are a few years (decades?) from practicality.
Why a generator? Just plug your Honda hybrid into the wall outlet and reverse the current flow. :shades:
Old Farmer, glad you are OK and back on line.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
That is exactly what I did with my 2005 GMC Hybrid PU. It had 4 ccts 20 amps each. I kept the refrigerators and freezer going periodically when we had one of those rolling blackouts. The real problem is you need a power transfer switch to isolate your generation from the grid power. If I was going to the trouble of a battery backup system I would just get off the grid and produce all my own. Lots of places in Hawaii do that. Electricity is soooo expensive that alternatives make good sense.