Chevy Silverado - Continued XV



  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    You are correct that they do get paid from the factory. On the performance of my last TSB, r/r rack and pinion, lower control arms, p/s metering valve, and alignment. Dealer was given 3.8 hours labor by GM. Actual labor time exceeded 25 hours. They do not recover the 21.2 labor hours in excess. Nor do they recover the time it takes to diagnose the problem. That is why a lot of them will say "couldn't duplicate or verify the problem". It's not that they couldn't, more like they didn't have the time to do so in the first place. Probably test drove truck for a couple of miles and figured nothing was wrong. Another thing was that we took an extended test drive, about one hour with the shop foreman and tech. GM doesn't reimburse them for that either. The service manager, shop foreman, and service advisor, when questioned on the labor time available, commented that they will lose money on this one and thank god it's only this one. So you could imagine their faces when I told them "you got to get the word out to other truck owners who suffer the same problem but don't know about this TSB".

    I agree that warranty is a money maker, not as much as after warranty service, but it does make them money. Just don't think they are making any when working on my truck.

  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    what i said, Pledge 303. ha ha
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    if you do buy another rado, i have one extra
    front and rear edelbrock shock that i'll be glad
    to give you. i had asked if anyone here wanted
    them and never got a reply, so if you want them
    they're yours.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    If it does go that route and I find any of them damaged by the service dept. after they changed the lower control arms, I'll take you up on it.

  • 87lion87lion Member Posts: 166
    I've got the 4.8 with 3.42 rear and locker. It is a 2WD longbed extended cab. I'm very pleased with the combination. I have over 9000 miles on it over varying conditions including the hills of PA (but no snow yet). I haven't had any problems with frequent shifting on hills. I use mine for daily commuter, helping friends move, and weekend trips to Lowes or Home Depot. Seems the 5.3 will only drop you about 1-2 mpg and cost you a few hundred more up front but may be better for resale. I intend to keep mine until it dies.

    Tim says get the 6.0 - you can never have too much horsepower.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    You are right on the money!

    My dad tows in tow/haul and lets the truck decide. He only uses manual overide when he wants more control for lower speed manuvering.

    Mike L
  • jmbuck2jmbuck2 Member Posts: 3
    I did plan on keeping the 97 I have until the wheels fall off but after 3 transmissions and just spending another $800 to get the rear end fixed (replaced all kinds of bearings)...I thinks it's time to move on. It has 60,000 miles on could end up nickle and diming me to death pretty soon.
  • bob332bob332 Member Posts: 137
    Sounds like the 4.8 would be more than adequate for your needs and you can save a lot of dollars over the 5.3. My understanding is that the 4.8 has been a very good engine and has lots of power. It would have been my choice if it had not been that I was wanting to be prepared in the future to pull a fifth wheel travel trailer. The 3.42 ratio would also be a good combination with the 4.8 if you go with the 2wd. If you decide to go 4wd, I don't believe gm makes the 3.42 available with the 4wd., then get the 3.73. Bob
  • bob332bob332 Member Posts: 137
    Mike, I am with your dad all the way. Bob
  • edd4edd4 Member Posts: 22
    This morning with transmission in "park" the idle speed slowed down until engine stalled. No roughness, just quit running. Idle speed dropped too low several more times when I stopped. Then after driving about 15 miles on highway, the problem went away. Any one else?? 5.3L, auto, 1500 4X4
  • themailman1themailman1 Member Posts: 95
    I have the 4.8 4wd and mine has a rough idle and seems like it wants to die but hasn't yet. The dealer says GM nows about this problem, but no fix yet.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    has anyone with Firestones on their rado have any problems as of this date? Does any of the recommended tire pressure on your doors read 26 psi? Just checkin to make sure GM isn't as foolish as Ford. What a price to pay for a smoother ride....

  • rskrsk Member Posts: 38
    GM calls for 35 PSI all the way around for a 1500 with the Z-71 suspension and Firestone Wilderness AT 265/75R-16 tires. I run 35 PSI in the front and 30 in the rear UNLOADED and 35 PSI with a load in the bed. 35 PSI is to much air pressure for the rear tires when there is no load in box. The tires will wear in the center only. The fronts should be kept at 35 PSI as this gives uniform wear across the tires.

    I have had no problems with my tires and I don't plan on changing them out just because Ford is having problems. Which IMHO I believe is a combination of three things which are

    1. A low recommended air pressure (26 PSI) from Ford.

    2. Most people don't check bother to check the air pressure in their tires.

    3. People driving to fast (75-80 MPH). This an AT type tire which have a high profile and heavy tread lugs (there is a big difference between the ATs Ford use and the tires GM use). They are not a high performance street radial.

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    There are talks ongoing on adding another 1.5 million firestone tires to the current 6.5 million currently under recall. If so happens that yours are under recall as they are looking at all Wilderness brand, I'm assuming you would change them out regardless of recommended psi and GM specifications?

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I think that the uproar is due to defective products that have been covered up by the manufacturers. Had the recall come at an earlier point in time, I believe the fallout would have been far less. Rather the delay by Firestone made it look like they were calculating what their acceptable losses would be as more people died. I also think that there would be an uproar if people started dying from contaminated beer rather than the overconsumption of it. just my opinion...

  • 750hill750hill Member Posts: 29

    believe your the only one who has used the
    product. At the Zaino website looks like
    most bottles are 8oz. How much did it take
    to do your truck. I have two trucks and a
    car so trying to figure how much to order.
    Site recommends multi-coats.

    Going to order Z-1, Z-2, Z-5, Z-6, Z-12.

  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    is the expert on all aftermarket and truck care
    products. that's how we've all learned about how
    to wax our trucks. i would'nt have known about
    zaino myself if it were'nt for the whiz kid.
    heck, i did'nt even know you were suppose to
    change oil in these trucks until Ryan pointed
    this out to us.

    good day,
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    one point for red...LOL


    How old are the trucks? Lot of swirl marks?

  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i've used the zaino products too and highly recommend them for dark colors. my wife's jimmy is the "light pewter" color, so i won't use the zaino on it. but my 'rado is i use the zaino products and like them. if you go to and type "kwerking" in as the member album you want to see, you can see a pic of my 'rado with a fresh coat of zaino on it. it lasts and protects for a good while also. can't remember off hand what size the bottles are, but i've put three coats on my 'rado, and one on my wife's old altima and i'd say i've got another 2-3 coats for my 'rado left in it.

  • rskrsk Member Posts: 38

    If they (Firestone or GM) recalls my truck because of tires I will be there in a flash. Why
    I figure my tires are about 1/3 through there useful life span and like Mledtje I wouldn't mind
    getting a new set of tires or free. However I seriously doubt that the tires on my truck will be recalled. The tires that are in the warning from the NHTSA are all older tire and do not included the Firestone Wilderness ATs used by GM. Go to the following web site for complete details.

  • 750hill750hill Member Posts: 29
    The car is a 2001, and Silverado is 2000,
    but the 3rd is 1986 dark blue Chevy with
    a 100,000 miles and all kinds of marks.

  • 750hill750hill Member Posts: 29
    Went to your website. See what you mean
    about Zaino and black. To post pics
    what devices are needed. I've had several
    E-mails wanting pics of my car but so out
    touch with new computer hardware have no
    idea on equipment required.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Thanks but i am not the expert on the waxing or anything. I claim to know some stuff but not all.

    I used Z1 (twice so far) Z2 (once on my silverado and once on my dads blazer still have half a bottle) and Z5 which i have used 3 times once on each vehicle at my house used most of the bottle

  • dustyonedustyone Member Posts: 262
    For those that love their P265x75R16 Wilderness AT's, and will replace with same tire, I have a set for sale, FOB Marietta, GA, 5000 easy miles. Make offer. (Replace with Michelin LT265x75R16 LTX A/T, this is the tire that GM should have given us for the $386 upgrade)
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I've read the article previously. I was just curious as to what the impact would be should there be a total recall on the wilderness. Something tells me that the list will get expanded tho...


    If you have a lot of scratches, swirl marks, get at least 2 bottles of Z5 and Z2. Don't forget to get the clay as it plays an important role in the first step along with dawn. And of course the 100%, made in the USA, white cotton towels. Good luck. If you have any problems, just post them here or at the Zaino topic in Maintenance. As they will be more than glad to help you too.


    Funny you mentioned that. The Dodge Ram had Michelins as oem. That was about the only good about that rental...

  • dustyonedustyone Member Posts: 262
  • dustyonedustyone Member Posts: 262
    What gives with this hypertext link stuff? I was attempting to refer to PickUp Conference, Topic 2140 (chevy silverado continued XV), post 743
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    dusty - was looking at those michelins myself. if you don't mind me asking...what'd you pay for 'em and what other tires (if any) did you consider?

    randy -
    you can post pics several ways.

    1. use a digital camera to take pics and then transfer them to your computer via cables or a disk. i have access to a digital at work and that's what most of the pics on my picture trail albums are. (digital cameras run from ~$70 on up. more features = more money)

    2. use a scanner to scan regular photos in and save those to your computer. a few of the ones in my albums are scanned. but not many. don't know what scanners are going for these days, i would guess they start somewhere in the $70 range and go on up.

    3. if you have aol, certain photo centers (many walmart and target stores) will send an electronic file of your photos to aol, who will email them to you. assuming you already have aol, this costs the least up front (adds about $5 give or take for any given roll of film). however, if you plan on having a lot of pictures e-developed for you, you should look into a digital camera.

    digital cameras are easier to use than regular cameras in many aspects. for example:
    - you never have to buy film for them (as long as you have a couple 3.5" floppy disks - which you can reuse, over and over and over...
    - they require no more battery power than a regular camera (many come with long-life rechargeable batteries)
    - if you want, you can review each picture, as you take it. this allows you to retake shots when someone blinks, or you cut someone's head off, etc...without having to find out two weeks later that you missed "the shot".
    - you can email pics to your friends/reletives at no expense (as opposed to paying for reprints)

    anyways...back to trucks...

    on the zaino site ( there's a contact address where you can email questions and sal will email you back w/in about 24, he's the best one to ask how to take care of your scratches...

  • dustyonedustyone Member Posts: 262
    Kyle: I purchased my Michelins at SAM's Club for $129.99 each (last week they were $125.99). They charge $9.00 per tire (was $7.50) for mounting, balancing, lifetime rotation (every 7500 miles), plus $1.00 per tire GA disposal fee, plus sales tax. I got my mounting etc free since it took them more than 59 minutes from the time you give them the key to drive out time. (Go about 2 hours before closing and be the last one in line),. Hey thirty dollars is thirty dollars....
    I looked at other non STONE tires, ie GoodYear, GoodRich, etc. Michelins have the best rating from consumer reports for wet road, etc.
    NO MORE DEATHSTONEs for me. I still have not received an offer on them yet. Do you suppose I will? I will wait on the buy back or chunk them one day.
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i agree. i think i'm going to wait another week to see if the recall widens. if not, i'm going to get the michelins, and save the receipt and old tires. hopefully then they'll recall them and send me a check that will cut down the cost of the new tires. did you get all five (spare too) or just four of 'em?

  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Noway for me. Cooper or Goodyear.
  • dch0300dch0300 Member Posts: 472
    I've only had experience with Cooper Tires on my rebuilt '67 Impala. They seemed to be fine.

    I'm getting Cooper Discoverer A/T's to replace the recalled Firestone Wilderness AT's on my 1989 Silverado.

    Does anyone out there have any experience with the Cooper Discoverer tires (P or LT's) on their trucks?

    Dealer called, said it looks like the two-tone restriction on my yet to be ordered 2001 Silverado LS, ext-cab, Z-71, white/pewter is being lifted. Let's hope he is right. I'd like to be driving that new truck by Thanksgiving.

  • crossfire1crossfire1 Member Posts: 33
    I just left the dealers a few hours ago,

    He checked on the computer and found that the two tone restriction (which applies to my black and pewter truck) is still on till Nov. But then I called GM, and they said to call back in two weeks, because it is subject to change.
    I placed my order in July, hoping to have it in Sep. GM has accepted the order, but now I'm waiting for the restriction to be lifted. I only hope that they aren't in the process of changing the way the two tone looks. (remember the trucks with the different color down the center of the side?)
    Keep us posted on any changes you find about. Thanks.

  • rwagonerrwagoner Member Posts: 338
    The tire pressure on the Explorer apparently wasn't lowered for the ride. It seems the recommended pressures help avoid topping over under certain circumstances.

    Someone mentioned replacing Firestones with Coopers ... Isn't Cooper Bridgestone's third-tier, after Firestone? If not, what is (I can't remember)?

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    cooper tires are not affiliated with Bridgestones. Rather an independent company similar to Continental/General. And they have Arnold Palmer as a Pennzoil...
  • jaumenjaumen Member Posts: 54
    Don't know about the two tones, but I ordered my 1/2 ton LT on Aug 7th. Was given a build week of the 18th of Sept. Called today and they moved it up to the 11th of Sept. I will call again next week to see if it is built yet.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    got me a package from the Hawaii islands today.
    Hmm, wonder what's inside.

    thanx alot obyone. now to open it.
    this is better than xmas.
  • jcclarkjcclark Member Posts: 1
    I own a 2000 silverado pickup. The tailgate seems
    to be somewhat loose when closed. I can wiggle it
    back and forth enough to cause a rattle. When on a
    bumpy road, the rattle is very noticeable. This is
    very annoying. I don't want to go through the
    hassle of taking it in to the shop, even though it
    is covered under warranty. Can anyone tell me how
    to tighten it myself?
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Mine seems a little loose i too can jiggle it but it doesnt rattle on bumpy roads.
  • dustyonedustyone Member Posts: 262
    Kyle: I did not bother with the spare. I consider anything that will hold enough air to get me to a service station is o.k., so leave it alone. Can't rotate that steel rim anyway, so it is four tire rotation for me. If they recall them, I will take it in for credit and use a junk tire for the spare.

    Matt: I installed the Flowmaster 70 kit yesterday. Took about an hour labor, but had to cut the tailpipe just aft of muffler as recommended by the instructions. I did not have enough room to swing the assembly out from under the truck. I did the job on my carport and the brick wall was in the way.
    This muffler has a sweet rumble with no resonance (that resonator must really do the trick). Now my truck sounds like a truck. I may remove the clamps and have the system welded for tightness and a better look. The chrome tips really dress this baby up. Thanks for your help and the sound files that you sent to me.
  • rskrsk Member Posts: 38

    I don't think the recall list is going to be expanded beyond the advisory from the NHTSA. However I think Firestone as a company will be gone in a couple of years. Bridgestone will more than likely kill the company if they can't recover from this public relations disaster.

  • hawgdawghawgdawg Member Posts: 24
    Hey guys, can you give me a list of Caps for the Silverado? I hate to ask since it isn't about how many grease zerks are under it but I would appreciate some help.

    I saw a cap that worked with the "whale-tail" still on. I just can't remember what brand it was.

    2000 Silverado Short Bed

    Thanks in advance.
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    There is a TSB dated around June of this year for the steering clunk/thunk. It calls for replacement of the intermediate steering shaft if I remember right.

    The clunk during shift is in every large PU from every manufacturer. Went 175K on a F350 diesel with the same noise. It is all the freeplay in the ujoints, tranny, transfer case and rear diff. Don't worry about this problem

    PS After a 3rd rear pinion seal failure, they also put a rear diff "yoke kit" in my '99. Completely solved the problem. Towed the big travel trailer with dirt bikes in the bed for 2000 miles over the last couple of weeks with no problems.

    Wonder why they didn't do it the second time the seal failed......
  • wight1wight1 Member Posts: 218
    probably didn't replace it after the 2nd time because they're so blind they couldn't look at the original yoke and see the groove wore in it which eats up the seal and lets the grease leak out!!

    Had the same problem on my old Dodge and couldn't make the dealer understand why it would leak with that groove worn in the yoke. Unbelievable what those guys will do sometimes.
  • rwagonerrwagoner Member Posts: 338
    They survived the 500 recalls of the 1970s as well as the followup problems with the 721. I doubt they will not survive.
  • wight1wight1 Member Posts: 218
    Excellent article in today's Wall Street Journal about the Firestone tire disaster. Lots of name-calling and finger-pointing between Firestone and Ford as to what the real problem is and who's to blame.

    One good point raised by Ford: how come none of the Goodyear tires Ford used on about 1/2 of its total Explorer production between between 1995 and 1997 had tread separation failures similar otthe Firestones, even at the lower air pressure recommended by Ford? Ford is using this as their main argument that the problem is the Firestone tires, not the design of the Explorer or the Ford tire pressure specs.

    The article also reminded me of the Firestone 500 tire recall of the 1970's, and I'll never forget those POS Firestone 721's I had on my old '82 Chevy.

    I'm really starting to wonder about the firestone steeltex tires on my current truck. They are not on the recall list, but looked at them last night and found they were made in the Decatur, Illinois plant. hhmmmm...
  • larry18larry18 Member Posts: 48
    I have noticed the accelerator pedal on my 2000 x-cab, 2wd sticks at low speeds and at starts. Is the TSB for "increased accelerator pedal effort" an attempt to correct this problem? My 99 Suburban is as smooth as can be on takeoff. Is there an online source for the full-text version of the TSB?
  • idahodanidahodan Member Posts: 12
    Got my new '01 Silverado, build 8/13 in Ft Wayne, arrived in Boise Idaho 8/28. 5.3, Z71, Ext Cab LS, limited slip diff & tow package.

    The thing is P E R F E C T. Not a flaw, unless you're whipped into the media's frenzy o' the month about Firestone.

    Not a rattle. Not a vibration. Took the thing up to an old Idaho 1860's mining town over 50 miles of bad road and it's just solid. So much power & torque it's doing 7% grades at 55mph in OD, though I did get the 4.10 gears.

    My only complaint is the Indigo Blue paint really shows the dust, but I guess that'll just give the Dodges and Toondra's something to bite.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Congrats Dan

    Everyone i got my digital camera today took a bunch of pics as soon as i clean em up ill put em online

  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Who wants to see some pics of my truck go to

    and type in Ryanbab at the left under visit album

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