Dodge Ram Quad Cab

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  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    Hello all. First visit to this site and I'm looking for feedback on the 2002 Dodge 1500. Saltysack, bc01cls, Magilla and others, I would appreciate a listing of exactly what you bought, discussion of the merits of various engine, trans, options etc. Quad-cab v. standard and so on. I am seriously considering buying a Ram 1500 which will be my first pick-up truck. This will be used as a third vehicle, light-duty (no towing) used by my multiple kids coming up as new drivers and me occasionally for odd-jobs. Given this use, my first inclination is to buy a "stripper" as cheap as possible. I have other vehicles for people-moving and driving fast so, as attractive as a deluxe Q-Cab looks, I don't think I really need it. So, after looking at the Auto show, checking out various web sites and reviews, I'm getting serious enough to tromp off to a dealer and test drive. I am leaning toward a basic Regular cab, vinyl interior, manual transmission....maybe 4.7 V-8 short bed. As much as I'd like to have a Sport with all the goodies and 20" tires, I'm trying really hard to keep the "new-car-fever" to a minimum and spend under $20K instead of $35K. Input from you 2002 owners is greatly appreciated.
  • saltysacksaltysack Member Posts: 12
    Have completed about a thousand miles now on the Dodge 2002 Quad Cab purchased from Maxwell Dodge in Austin in early December. First vehicle I have ever bought that did not require a trip to the dealer to fix something. No squeaks or rattles either; this truck is tight. Mileage about 14.5 city and 18 highway so far on 87 octane. Handles very well at low and high speeds and has ample acceleration to enter and keep up with the fast moving traffic on Texas highways. The storage under and in the seats and doors is ample enough that I do not feel the need for an extra box in the bed. My truck has the 4.7l, auto trans, premium seat package where the rear seats fold up to create a steel deck floor, power driver seat, trailer package (which I highly recommend), 2.55 rear axle, limited slip differential, fog lamps, the 24G SLT package incl tilt and cruise. I find this truck very comfortable, fun to drive, stable in the turns, sufficiently maneuverable for tight parking spots. It is apparent the engineers who designed it listened. Dealer is excellent also. My first Dodge truck and am pleased with it. I owned a Ford F150XLT previously and studied and test drove Ford F150, Chevy 1500 Silverado, Toyota Tundra and found the Dodge Quad Cab 1500 in a class above the other three and approaching the 3/4 tons for comparison purposes. Dodge did a fine job on this truck, but time and miles will tell. Mine was built in Warren, Michigan in Oct/2001.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    I think you meant 3.55 rear axle gear? Which is standard right? Why are you so high on the tow package if one has no plans to tow? I also notice you have the limited slip diff rather than the full ABS option--why? (this is a 2WD right?) Did you drive the manual trans v. auto that you ended up with? Finally, what did you pay? Did you get below invoice?
  • twinscrewtwinscrew Member Posts: 53
    4 door, 1500 4X4, 4.7L, auto, limited slip, trailer pkg, SLT. So far so good. Tight, smooth, and ample power. I don't believe that you can get a 5 speed yet. When I checked a few weeks ago, the factory wasn't putting them together and did not know when they would. Was going to wait for a 5 speed, but changed my mind with the intro of the 100K drive train warranty. Chevy took too long to get my gas tank cert back and Dodge had a $500 Farm Bureau discount which Chevy did not have. Also got another $300 rebate from Dodge. With these two discounts, ended up buying the truck for $800 under invoice. Quite a bit cheaper than the cab and a half chevy and you get 4 full size doors. Liked the looks of the Dodge too. Chevy looks are getting a little dated to my tastes.
  • scypherscypher Member Posts: 1
    I went and got the RegCab/Longbed/4.7L/Auto/2WD/L-Slip/24G/Auto/tow)

    While I would love to have the rear seat, which I could sit easily in (6') at the dealer, I couldn't justify paying the extra $3-4k for something I would rarely use. I test drove a Quad with a long bed, the darn thing was longer than I would be comfortable driving daily.

    I got mine for about $300 below invoice before rebates/discounts and got a bedliner & wheel locks thrown in. Start off offering about $100 over invoice because you have a friend whose a broker for GM, and that's what he recommended.

    Then act shocked that the invoice was that much, you thought it would be less, and then let the dickering begin. Then its driven by how bad
    the dealer wants your business, and whether you are willing to walk away...

    None of the dealers in my area had manual trans, and there was only 1 base model; everything else was Quad/5.9/SLT/auto/Sport heavily, so I had only 1 or 2 to choose from. Mine didn't come with the security package, so I am arranging to have it installed as soon as the parts come in.

    MPG average on the first tank averaged 14.5, 90% city driving, with highway at 60 reading 19-20 on the comp, and 17-18 at 70 mph, with the 3.55 (standard equip) axle and limited slip. And that's with a feather touch on the gas; I don't romp on the gas hard.

    None at the dealers had the 4 wheel abs or security pkg, and all had the tow package and limited slip differential.
  • bc01clsbc01cls Member Posts: 44
    To indydriver, regarding a Dodge RAM in your future. First impressions: This thing is BIG, but feels a lot smaller when driving it. I got the quad cab, tow package, deluxe interior with steel floor, multi speed auto, infinity CD, plus the 24G SLT package option with power everything. Great ride, tight and rattle free, crisp turn in, comfy seats, and no return visits to the dealer for any "things" that needed to be fixed. First time in a long time of car and truck buying that this has happened. Dealer very, very thorough in customer follow up. Ergonomics in cab are great.. hooks on bottom of back seat cushion for hanging things, controls easy to reach and feel expensive to the touch. Dollar for dollar Dodge has really upped the ante for features and build quality. Add the 7 yr/100k and the 0% and it's tough not to buy right now. PS, LOVE the 4 doors. Don't have to open the front to get to the back.
  • magillamagilla Member Posts: 75
    I thought I got the best deal possible and watch this board all the time. Must have been like a deer in the headlights because I completely forgot about the FB discount when I was sitting there. Does anyone know if I can still get that discount? I signed all the papers on Saturday. Doh!
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    for your input. Keep the updates coming. I'm the type of vehicle shopper who takes his time and I've just started the process.

    Twinscrew: I was interested in your comment that the manual trans was not available yet!! Anyone have an update on this?

    Also on the automatic, I've read where this tranny incorporates a second 2nd gear. Have those of you with autos experienced how this works in practice?
  • magillamagilla Member Posts: 75
    That's odd - I'm driving a '02 5-spd...AND LOVING IT!!! What a nice transmission. Here's what's odd though - with all the problems DC has had with automatics and none with manuals, their 7yr/100K warranty covers the auto but not the clutch. I guess it's not that surprising since a clutch is somewhat in the same category as brake pads. I'll admit, the 5sp is rare - I've been looking for a 4.7L and 5sp since February (was even looking in a Dakota back then). Glad I waited.

    Anyone got an answer on the Farm Bureau question?
  • twinscrewtwinscrew Member Posts: 53
    You have to be a member for 30 days before you purchase your truck. I called Dodge customer service several weeks back when my local dealer said they were not able to order 5 speeds (or maybe they could order, but were unsure how quick it would be built with 5 speed). Their response back then (november I believe) was that they were not building them with 5 speeds then and didn't know when they would start. Glad to see you can get them now. My durability concerns with the auto were put to rest with the 100K warranty. The auto trans has been smooth as silk to far. I've got a 5000# boat that I'm anxious to drag around as soon as I feel the motor is broken in. That will be the big test in my eyes. 4.7L and 5 speed in my Dakota handled it pretty good. This truck is quite a bit heavier and has to fight the wind a little more.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    I was just looking through a local dealer's inventory through the Dodge web site. Its pretty cool in that you can check any dealer's on lot inventory. If they have taken the time to scan it in, you can click on and see the window sticker....very cool. This local dealer had 43 2002 1500s in stock and several with manual trans.
  • saltysacksaltysack Member Posts: 12
    Thanks for pointing out there is no 2.55; my rear axle is 3.55. I was going to get the 3.93, but my trailering will not be over 25 percent of hours driven so went for better mileage. When I do trailer, it will be around 6000 lbs and I will move it maybe once a week for 200 to 500 miles then plant the trailer and use the truck to get around. I think the trailering package will be better for hills, high speeds on interstates, etc. Went for limited slip for driving on ice, sand, getting out of mud, snow, felt it would help to deliver power to wheel that has grip. Two wheel ABS OK with me. I tend not to get into many panic stops and am good at countersteering on ice. I do not like manual trans in a truck (fun on my motorcycle or in a sportscar, but I am lazy when it comes to trucks. I like to relax with a cup of coffee and not be bothered shifting, especially in stop and go traffic). So, that is why I got the auto trans. I enjoy road trips and feel like I've got room to stretch out and I am not small. Can spend days in this truck and not get bored or tired of driving it. Couldn't wait to get out of the Silverado 1500, 2500HD, Ford 150, or Toyota Tundra when test driving those. Some people said the 4.7l would be underpowered, but I haven't felt that. Maybe it will when trailering, but that's a point to point deal I can live with. When this truck comes with the new, more powerful engine in 2003 (rumor?) and dual exhausts (wish list) I won't be sorry I didn't wait. Am enjoying the ride.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    Thanks for the observations, Saltysack. Re: the next engine intro, there is a lot of good info at Carandtrucknews.com. If I remember correctly the new "hemi" will replace the 5.9L (the only carryover engine in the new Ram) and be used extensively in the 2500/3500 when it is updated next year.

    I am assuming that I want the standard 3.55 gear since I will not be towing and want best hwy mileage. Good points re: limited slip diff...I should probably get that since this vehicle will see snow and ice (but not much off-road).
  • bc01clsbc01cls Member Posts: 44
    I, like saltysack, have yet to notice a lack of "grunt" with the 4.7. I have the 3.55 axle ratio and after a more cautious than usual break in, have had the opportunity to jump on this thing--it will move, flat out. Not as neck snapping as my 5.2 Dakota, but this thing is a lot heftier. Anyone notice the "dual horsepower ratings" for the 4.7? I read both 235hp and 240hp. My sticker says 240 so I'll go with that! By the way indydriver, go ahead and get the limited slip. I bought my Dakota without it, but had Chrysler add it later when I bought a big boat. Difference in hauling ability over low traction surfaces is astounding....you'll be glad you got it. With a bit of weight in the bed, there is almost nothing that will get you stuck.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    You just sold one limited slip diff for DC! BTW, the most important stat for the 4.7L is 300 ft/lbs of torque. I haven't driven one yet but that's pretty healthy. My 300M has 250 ft/lbs and I have spent considerable time in a 2001 GMC Denali with 360 ft/lbs so I am expecting 300 in the Ram 1500 to be pretty peppy.
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    ...........a few comments.

    Researching a possible 4-door pick-up purchase next year to replace my 9 year-old Sentra. I've driven the Tacoma, Tundra, F150, and the new RAM. The RAM is very impressive, indeed. I think that Ford does a better job in providing more comfortable seating in the XLT, but the more I look that may be the only advantage.

    One of my major concerns that I don't believe have been discussed here, is my desire to eliminate trailering my ATV and be able to load it onto the bed of a truck. With the competition, they'd all have to have the tailgate down when the ATV is loaded. The RAM QC bed length is 6 feet 3 inches and that means my ATV can load with the tailgate up.

    I have seen a few manual transmission equiped RAM 1500s on dealers lots, but not too many. My local dealer, oddly enough, had a SLT Quad Cab 4x4 with a 5-speed.

    Dusty
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    If you want to peruse the dealer lots from your keyboard, the Dodge website has a really cool feature. Go to select a dealer, then choose to look at New Inventory/Dodge trucks/1500 (or whatever you're interested in), then you will be shown a list of vehicles by price. Check the boxes of the ones you want detail on then you will get a list with the basics: price, eng, trans etc. From there, you can click on a box that brings up the actual sticker (if the dealer has scanned them in). Now you can see exactly which trucks are on the lot with exactly which options. If you like, you can even email the dealer from there requesting a quote. I've done that a couple of times and tend to get replies with an "internet" price that is somewhere between invoice and MSRP.

    Also, regarding bed length, two options are available for every model 1500. The 6'-3" is the short one but you can also get a full eight footer if you need it. You're talking one long truck with QC and 8' bed.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    I'll repeat what I asked over on the other board in case folks here are not monitoring both: anyone know of any custom shift knobs for 2002 1500's with manual trans?
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    I need four doors more than I need an eight foot box. You're right, a 2002 RAM Quad Cab with an 8 ft box would be like trying to park the Queen Mary. And, not being especially fond of trucks in the first place, a vehicle that long would guarantee that my wife would never drive it!

    Thanks for the tip on checking inventory. My plans don't include me doing anything until at least April of this year.

    Bests,
    Dusty
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    They will be in full beg incentive mode by then.
  • enfurioenfurio Member Posts: 33
    Indy,


    This link has some cool knobs.


    http://www.flameball.com/FLAMEBALL.htm


    I also found some good ones at Autozone of all places (billet aluminum sphere to match my suicide knob).


    02 Dakota QC 4.7L 4X4 man.x

  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    I also found many traditional style knobs at http://www.partsamerica.com.
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    It looks like Dodge is offering a $1500 rebate on SLT and SLT+ QC ONLY. I guess they're not interested in picking up market share from the Chevy Silverado ($2002-all models) and the Ford F150 ($2500-all models).
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Rebates are a temporary, banad-aid type fix. I think Dodge realizes this and doesn't feel a need to ante-up.
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    Rebates are a device to move inventory when you've got more than you want. I've heard reports of up to 50 2002 RAMs in stock at a dealer, but around here they are nowhere at that level of supply. Especially conventional cab models. I've only seen three on a total of three dealer's lots. So a match rebate program on trucks doesn't make sense, at least at this juncture. Later, maybe.

    The local Chevy dealer has a lot more trucks than the Dodge dealers. Now GM's truck platform sales have skyrocketted in the last year. I think GM wants to sell a lot of units to build on this recent success. Keep in mind that this company has been losing market share at a much faster rate then anybody. Capitalizing on this current frenzy allows the brass to say that the corner has been turned and the market analysts (Wall Street as well as Detroit) will hopefully change their attitudes about GM's long term performance. But taking 2K off the top of every sale is seriously cutting into profit, and GM's car sales are either flat (meaning stagnant) or down across the model line-up. I think GM's truck rebate when sales are up is very telling and points to another business dynamic. I suspect they believe there are other things to gain and worth the profits they lose on every truck sale because of the rebate. Its very important to increase market share now, especially when the writing is on the wall. Ford's steady rise in market share (and the comensurate GM loss) will push GM to number 2 by 2004 at the current rate. This affects the stock price, you know and the rate of lending!

    Ford has inventory. Surprised by the sales boom in GM trucks, they are about 200,000 units off of last year. The $2500 rebate on trucks makes much more sense for Ford.

    Dusty
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    Here in Indy, most dealers show 10-20 new Rams in stock with the largest having 43. If you haven't checked it out, http://www.4adodge.com has a great inventory feature. Go to 'Find a Dealer', then choose one and you can check his actual inventory by model and, if they've used the feature, you can pull up the actual invoice for each vehicle in stock. This is really useful in comparing differences in actual invoice packages etc.


    Dustyk, I think GM's truck share growth in 2001 is directly related to the fact that they brought to market a much needed revision to the Silverado. I.e., it was the hot new model. Dodge is getting some of that buzz now, but as you allude, it will soon wear off, sales momentum will slip and they'll get more aggressive. Ford obviously needs to rush a new F150 to market before they suffer too much damage. With the top selling vehicle in the entire market, their "I can top yours" rebate is obviously a stop-gap measure to protect hard won market share while they get an updated truck to market.


    I talked to one dealer today about the uncompetitive rebate and he basically confirmed that Ram 1500's were moving very well and that Detroit watches sales closely and would do more if and when they need to. Maybe there aren't many buyers like me, but, I've entered the buy cycle thinking, "RAM, RAM and nothing but RAM" but if I can get $2002 off even a stripped down Silverado (with better engines for the money by the way), Dodge has let Chevy open the door to stealing this potential purchase.

  • bc01clsbc01cls Member Posts: 44
    For me, there was no competition for the RAM. I looked at Chevy, Toyota & Ford--although Ford is kind of off my list until damage done by Ex CEO Jaques Nasser is undone. Besides, the 150 is due for a much needed face lift and better crash integrity. (I owned the ill fated 99 Cobra and quality at Ford is not what it once was. Not that all American manufacturors aren't without lemons either.) I loved the idea of 4 doors and a 6'3" bed but didn't want a Public Works truck either! After having standard cab then custom cab, I knew I would always want that extra interior space, but I didn't want to have to open the front doors so that I could open the back ones. The 4 doors are a breeze and the steel cargo floor is brilliant. Even the switchgear is smooth and well placed. Daimler must be having some effect!! Anyone looking for a new truck should at least drive the "beast" to see how small it feels to drive around town and to see that the 4.7 has plenty of torque to get the job done. I have to admit that I am not a huge GM fan, since their "cockpit materials" have always seemed cheaper than Ford or Chrysler to me.
  • dustykdustyk Member Posts: 2,926
    I'd agree with this if the Silverado was new in 2001, but it was introduced in 2000 and the initial reception was luke warm at best.

    Besides, almost all of GM truck platforms are selling much better, with the exception, I think, of the S-10 series. So its not just the Silverado.

    What surprises me is that truck consumers, thought to be more reliability and quality conscious nowadays, are apparently abondoning Ford who is perceived as the quality leader in trucks. (I believe that Consumers Report has stated that the F150 is the most reliable vehicle coming from Ford in the last few years.) With full-size GM trucks being rated dead last in quality and reliability, I think that there is another reason at work here.

    Bests,
    Dusty
  • clevacnclevacn Member Posts: 8
    I guess I just got lucky, I purchased a 02 Dodge Ram Quad Cab with the 20" wheels, sports appearance package and a factory class IV tow hitch for $4900 off of MSRP. Actually they had installed a few dealer options such as a bed liner and wheel well liners, but I told them I did not want the bed liner since I think Rhino Liner is a better way to go. They took out the bed liner and ended up throwing in the wheel liners at no cost, BTW, it does make the truck look a lot better. I guess you could get a better deal with the rebates, but I couldn't wait since I wanted the 7/100 protection plan and 0/36 interest plan. All in all, it worked out well and so far I am very pleased. Now, if I could just find a truck accessory place that actually carries aftermarket products for this specific model, I'll be set.
  • twinscrewtwinscrew Member Posts: 53
    What are wheel liners? Dodge item or aftermarket?
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    Wheel liner are thin inserts that go between your wheel and brakes so the brakes are not visible and the brake dust does not settle out on the rim.
  • hoghaulhoghaul Member Posts: 2
    Just took delivery on 02 Sport 4.7 V8 AT. w/390 rear & Limited slip. WOW I just can't tell you how impressed the way this truck performs. I traded a highly custom 2000 Dakota quad 4.7 V8 AT. and there is a night and day difference! So far in 2 days and 800+ miles I can say this is the Mayor. The deal was $30865. Sticker $3000. off & $1500 Rebate, $15000.T/A Yes thats $11,365+tax. Not bad considering I'll never look back now. My dakota had the stock rear & no limited slip and let loose (smoked) quite regulary as the stock 31 Wrangler ATS were histery at 13000MI. I drove the Dakota 54,500mi and had 0 trouble. The Pkg. of the Wheels,390 rear & limited slip is a must.
  • albertamanalbertaman Member Posts: 8
    I've got a 2001 Dakota Quad cab 4x4 Sport with the 4.7L, last Sunday I hit the ditch on icy roads and I think I may have bent the frame as well as other damage.
    I'm thinking that if I did bend the frame, I may trade the truck in on a Ram QC for the extra room inside and the bigger box.
    What I'm not sure about is should I go with the 5.9 or the 4.7 again? I'll be pulling a 25ft Fifth wheel with it, but from what I can tell the 5.9 only has 5 more HP and 35lb of torque than the 4.7 so for the better gas millage should I just get the 4.7?
  • bc01clsbc01cls Member Posts: 44
    To albertaman..........get the 4.7, the "multi speed transmission" ($975 and two 2nd gears!) and the 3.91 rear axle. That should do just fine. 5.9's come with the 4 speed auto and have had more tranny failures than they should. Besides, they are "old technology" and will be replaced with the new hemi series as soon as Chrysler finishes testing durability issues........should be 2003 or '04.
  • rassom1rassom1 Member Posts: 35
    Dodge has just introduced the new 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 at the Chigago Auto show.

    It features the new 5.7L HEMI with 345 HP and 365 ft.lbs of torque or the new 5.9L Cummings disel with 305 HP and 555 ft.lbs. of torque.

    Dodge has just raised the bar again!

    Will be built in the summer of 2002.
  • twinscrewtwinscrew Member Posts: 53
    Did they say at the show when (of if) the hemi engine will be available in the 1500? If they are phasing out the 5.9L, they're going to have to replace it with something...aren't they?
  • indydriverindydriver Member Posts: 620
    Q4 at the earliest. All the early production will go into the 2500/3500. It will eventually work its way into the 1500 but probably in MY '03 in late '02 or early '03.

    If you want the whole story, go to http://www.car-truck.com and search under "hemi". There are several columns.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    just caught a pick of the new '03 heavy duty rams on the dodge web site. contrary to what was being reported earlier, the new heavy duty quad will be the same exact size as the 1/2 ton quad. not good in my opinion! ford and gm heavy duties simply blow away the dodge in back seat accomodations/room. i'm afraid that is gonna steal a number of sales away from dodge, unless they are able to sell em much cheaper than the competition...but doubt it. that's too bad since the rest of the truck is promising.
  • brucec35brucec35 Member Posts: 246
    I have to disagree on the chevys/fords blowing away the dodge quad 2500 in sales because of the bigger rear cabs. First of all, HD truck sales are a small percentage of their overall truck sales, but even then, only a yet smaller percentage of HD users have a pressing need for a rear cab bigger than that of the new Dodge, which I thought was pretty impressive already. Also, don't the bigger cabs on the Fords/GM's come with longer wheelbases? Past a point, I think that would turn off as many buyers as it attracted. Trucks have to be maneuverable enough to get around in easily, especially if they're towing a trailer. I tow with an ext cab p/up and can tell you that sometimes it's hard to find a spot at a gas busy gas station I can get into. I can't imagine what it'd be like with another 2 feet of wheelbase to deal with. Turning radius skyrockets.

    Finally, and most importantly probably, the cost savings Dodge realizes by sticking to a single wheelbase/cab style may allow them to beat the competition on price, which would more than make up for the loss of sales to those wanting bigger cab space in back, I'd guess. After all, let the kids and employees deal with it, right? The guy who pays for the truck is sitting up front.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    i guess only time will tell. but i still think that people who cross shop will appreciate the much more accomodating back seat of the ford or gm trucks. plus, ford and gm will still be offering supercabs, for a total of three different body types vs dodge's two. personally, i think the lack of a supercab (plus lack of new strong v/8 powertrain) has really hurt the '02 half ton. sales aren't what they should be despite the effects of the economy. of course, jmo...
  • pushplaypushplay Member Posts: 52
    Just bought an 02 quad cab and love it!! Had a 00 ext. cab z-71 and could not wait to get rid of it. I had never had anything but an GM. After test driving the Ram I would have bought it with no rebate. Like someone was saying I got just as good as deal as GM was offering anyway because it seems to me GM is a little more high priced for comparible eqpt. This truck does not have a rattle or vibration one unlike GM. Bottom line is GM has some engineering problems, but don't want to admit it and The new Ram is by far the best.

    The Ram is the New Mayor of Truckville!!
  • pushplaypushplay Member Posts: 52
    The 02 Ram Quad has way more room than GM and Fords EXT. cabs I had a 00 Ext. cab GM and if you were to make room for people in the back you had better be less that six feet tall in the front. My Ram has plenty of room for the back and front passengers. It may not look it, but when you get in the back you have plenty of leg room and don't have to cram the front passengers into the dash!
  • bowhuntwibowhuntwi Member Posts: 262
    Glad you like your backseat, why don't you ride back there for a couple hundred mile trip and let someone else drive. You mentioned your passengers had enough leg room, thats not what they will complain about, they will complain about the comfort. I have heard people on this board, say they only have small kids riding in the back and that it's good enough for them. I have a 11 year old that rated the back seats of a ram quad, ford Screw and an AV, the ram quad got the worse rating, said it was very uncomfortable, the seats were thin, no headrests.
  • pushplaypushplay Member Posts: 52
    If you would have read my message I was comparing it to the ext. cabs not the crew. So why don't you set your son in one of them and see what he say's. I have an expedition for the family trips don't need an expensive crew or would have bought one. Sounds like you did not buy what you really needed.
  • plywoody47plywoody47 Member Posts: 11
    Is Daimler actually having a positive effect on Chrysler Quality? Judging by the number of posts, rather the lack of posts, about quality problems with the new Ram, it seems that Chrysler has finally overcome the start-up quality problems that plagued the Interepid, Neon, PT, etc. Am I reading too much into this or are there truely very few problems associated with the new Ram? If it's true, makes me want to run out and buy one this weekend. I guess that with the 7yr/100k warranty I don't really have a lot to loose anyway, except the pain in the a** taking the truck into the dealer all of the time.
  • bowhuntwibowhuntwi Member Posts: 262
    I saw that you were comparing the ram quad to an Ext Cab, but is that really fair? I also know Dodge isn't calling their truck a crew, but rather a quad. I bought what I wanted, and yes it fits my needs just fine, as for expensive, it no more then your Expedition. As for family trips I can take either my Screw or the wife's 01 Durango and have comfort riding in both. I wish you all the luck with your ram quad. This is only my opinion, that the back seat could be a bit more comfortable, plus they could of offered a few options on the other models that you can only get if you take a SLT Plus. It would seem that with a new vehicle they would of offered more variety.

    Btw, I had an Ext. cab GMC before I went the crew cab way, I know the room that one has and an Ext cab wasn't even in the running when I was looking to trade.
  • pushplaypushplay Member Posts: 52
    I used to be a GM man, but after having a 00 Chevy I strated taking a hard look at other options. I bought my wife a 00 expedition and have had zero problems. So when I went looking for myself a new truck I looked at everything. After driving the new Ram I knew what my choice would be the quality of them seem so far second to none. It does not have a rattle or vibration one. All you have to do is shut the doors on one and you know they have things right. All you have to do is look at the postings on this site about the Chevy's and GM's and you can see they have some real issues because i'm sure most are die hard GMers and for them to be saying what they are and my personal experience i'm 99% sure that the new Ram is the real deal, but only time will tell. When I was buying my new 02 Ram their was alot of people in the other brands test driving the new 02 Ram. I'm very pleased so far!!
  • plywoody47plywoody47 Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for the input pushplay. I think that was just what I needed to help me pull the trigger. I've got a dealer that will give it up at Invoice -$1,500 (rebate). I'll let you know, but it looks like there will be a new RAM in the driveway this weekend!
  • bc01clsbc01cls Member Posts: 44
    Got to say that this is the FIRST new vehicle that did NOT have to go back to the dealer for ANYTHING. Mind you I have purchased at least 30 new cars and some high line ones at that......all had a "thing or two" including Porsche, BMW, Toyota, Acura and of course, Ford. Not my new RAM 1500! Also my $.02 regarding the crew vs. Club Cab issues and discussion. Dodge is trying to offer customers a bigger (club) cab by having the 4 doors instead of the suicide setup on many.......... without the penalty of driving a huge Public Works truck, or one with only a 4 foot bed. Whether or not this is a good idea only time will tell. However for such a large truck, this thing turns sharper than my Dakota LE Club Cab, and has a smaller turn radius. Plus the switchgear in this truck feels European--all knobs and switches operate like they're not cheap plastic.
  • stooges3stooges3 Member Posts: 18
    does anyone have any information on how to get the all around ground effects kit put on a newly ordered truck. Do they paint and install this item at the factory or do I wait for the truck to come in and have the dealer install this item. Two salesman that I spoke to didn't have any idea and they also couldn't be bothered to find out. I plan to order the truck soon.
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