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Is Cadillac's Image Dying and Does Anyone Care?



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  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    They're trying. I don't like what they're trying, but I will give them credit for making the effort this time.

    So, how much does GM's Great Wreathed Hope weigh?
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Here's the CTS's details

    2008 CTS has a nice design, especially in profile and rear 3/4 view. But, what is the appendage on front fenders just below A pillar?

    What are details about new engine?
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Not exactly standard of the world...

    Technology & Craftmanship

    Easy Key™ system only an option, not standard.
    Upgrade audio system: 10-speaker, 300-watt Bose (IS350: 14-speaker, 1-subwoofer, 300-watt Mark-Levinson)
    Base audio system: 8-speaker (IS350: 13-speaker, 1-subwoofer)

    I'll give Caddy credit to the “cut-and-sew” interior. However, the material quality is still remain to be seen. I don't think it'll dissappoint though.


    I wouldn't call 300 HP, 270 lb-ft the standard of the world (or even class in this case) either. IS350's 2GR-FSE utilized both direct & port-injection instead of this 3.6L's direct-injection.

    Weight: 3872 lbs, that's the heaviest of them all in the entry level luxury performance sedan class. Although CTS is officially a midsize comparing to other compacts such as the 3er, IS and G.

    Don't see how this one can beat G35 in 0-60 since the G is lighter with a more or less equal power engine (306 HP). If it couldn't beat the G then definitely couldn't beat the 335i and IS350.

    Based on what I read I think this is a very competitive product from GM and should do very well in the ELLPS market. One thing remain to be seen is the handling, I am looking forward to the future comparos and my own test drive later this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see the new CTS's handling to be on par with the 3er or at least not far away from it since that's one of the old CTS's strength.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 44,916
    Me no likey the analog clock. It was amusing when Infiniti did it, but that was over a decade ago, and now it is just cliche.

    I will give credit that the disturbing technical graining is gone. But is that dash top kind of fuzzy? Or is it the angle?

    I actually like all the buttons...a weird fetish I guess (I also love toggle and rocker switches), but I suspect they will garner complaints from some.

    The loyalists should be counting down to the demise of the 3er, C, IS, and G any minute now. It looks to be competitive though, and that's a good thing.

    3800 lbs?! That's what my E55 weighs! That's nearly what my old W126 weighed!

    Oh yeah, and this thing looks pretty much like what british_rover posted....
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    3872??? Mein Gott! :surprise: :sick: :sick: :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 60,646
    Do all the cars come with handprints on the door panels? :P

    Actually you don't want "hand-built" anything in a modern car...humans make mistakes...but you want the person assembling your car by hand (those parts that are still installed that way) to be sober and happy and awake.

    But for boring out my cylinder walls, I'll take Mr. Robot, thank you very much.

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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    How many of those Lucernes were the $24k 200hp V6 model? Those are the only ones I've ever seen, invariably driven by some old geezer

    Probably none since it starts at $26.4k. And I wonder what is wrong with geezers? Do they not deserve to drive? Do they not have money?
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,214
    My initial reaction to the '08 (and just from the pix) is favorable. To me it looks a bit like an Acura TSX on steroids, and while the front end is certainly un-subtle, is it that much worse than the Audi corporate grille? (Yeah, a bit...). Interior looks very nice, but again, we'll have to see/feel/touch and taste the materials. And I do like the analog clock, I find it adds character and elegance. I am also somewhat of a wristwatch guy, so I may be biased... And is a digital clock not a cliche?

    I look forwad to reviews of the whole ball of wax. Just like Lexus (and to a much lesser extent, market-wise, Infiniti) was back in '89, hopefully this will keep the beloved Euro marques on their toes and their prices (somewhat) within reach.

    Hardtop convertible version, when??? My mid-life crisis is calling for a hardtop convertible...

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    3872??? Mein Gott!

    I really see this new CTS to be a 5-series/E-class/GS/M fighter than a compact luxury performance sedan. Maybe this is the direction that GM's going, make CTS be their midsize, STS fullsize and bring the BLS over as their entry level sedan.
  • Ah yes but I am foolish... :confuse:

    Anyway I like it but I kind of liked the old CTS except for the interior and so so transmission.

    Too bad there aren't any Caddy dealers around here or I would go take a look at one on my lunch break when they come in.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Somehow I doubt that Enterprise or anybody else pays $26,400 for a base Lucerne.

    And I wonder what is wrong with geezers? Do they not deserve to drive? Do they not have money?

    From what I've seen, some of them shouldn't be driving. Cataract Squad indeed. If they had money, wouldn't they have bought the V8?
  • jkr2106jkr2106 Posts: 231
    bumpy, you are hilarious ;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 22,064
    Ya'll need to come around here. We have many with the 4-holes on the hood. Sorry to dissapoint the myth but the oldsters around here tend to buy Camrys, Avalons, Accords, more than they buy lower level Lucernes.

    Lots of spiffy chrome wheels and neat looking cars that make you look twice because they look foreign at first glance then you realize, "Oh, that's a BUICK."

    I even heard one fellow call in Saturday that his Lucerne rode too rough. That's a switch from the stereotype...

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  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    I like the new CTS. The interior looks like a huge improvement over the current car. And the styling is a nice evolution of the current Art & Science look.

    Overall, a big improvement over the current model, and it's nice to see a domestic auto maker sticking with a theme and improving upon it.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 44,916
    So if the oldsters are buying the Japanese Buicks (and they are here too), who is buying the Lucernes? I think I have seen one 4-holer on the road, and lots of rentals. Not that I think it is all bad...they could be a used bargain, and I might try to steer my mom into one.

    Chrome wheels don't make me think "foreign". A lot of cars look better without them (although the Lucerne isn't hurt by them).
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    it's nice to see a domestic auto maker sticking with a theme and improving upon it.

    Definitely need to give Cadillac credit for that.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Yea, my geezer 49 year old neighbor traded in his SRX for one. Loves it. (hey maybe that is geezer age?)

    Actually Buick gets lots of input that customers feel their new Buicks are too rough. After they got out of their Century and into the new LaCrosse there was a bunch. I can imagine the same happened from the LeSabre also.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I think, as has been discussed, it depends where you live. If you are in an area that buys american cars you will see lots of nice upper model Lucernes, etc. If you are from an area where they buy primarily imports then you will not see those upper models.

    That is why one persons opinion does not make a fact. You need to use nationwide data to see the whole picture.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 44,916
    Indeed, and as a significant amount of population is on either coast, more people will find these cars uncommon than common. I mean, I see more Ferraris and Lamborghinis around than I do 4 hole Lucernes. For most people, these cars aren't an everyday sight. Middle America sets few trends these days.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 2,012
    This board has gotten as lively as the old "what will it take to save GM board". I can't keep up.

    Since when is the Lucerne a Caddy?
  • trimastertrimaster Posts: 163
    American preferences

    On a side note, saw Dreamgirls over the weekend. Good movie. Cadillac was very prominent throught the early parts of the film.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,297
    Shoot, a Lucerne CXS is definately on my car shopping A-list. It looks like the 2008 CTS definately made it as well. I hope it looks as good or even better in person!
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Take a V8 Lucerne, swap around the badges and taillights, and toss in some extra geegaws and you get a DTS.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I just saw the insideline review of the 08CTS. My jaw still hurts from seeing that interior!! Good job caddy :D !!

    So technically, the bls is the first to use the new version of cadillac's new design theme and the CTS is second.... Suddenly, i don't feel as bad about the BLS as i can now look forward to the next BLS.

    Cadillac CTS will come with AWD!! Meaning BLS may have it too!! TODAY IS A GOOD DAY IN AMERICA!! To bad we have to wait to (when will it be released again??) <-{

    Anyone have pain supressant!!? My jaw is seriously killing me :P ;)

  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I found out yesterday that the DTS is FWD :surprise: . Very disappointing cadi... Now there is no reason AT ALL for no bls... Even the saab 9-3 is a promising drive. Wow if GM keeps up these great interior, they may sell me my next car. Next big GM steps are a fold flat 3rd row, no 4 speed transmissions, and A BLS...

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I just don't the continued talk about the Allante. The car sold well, but it is was a flop and it isn't just me considers it so. GM does also. Just because the car sold doesn't mean it was a success. The Jaguar X-Type sold well for a while too, so did the Lincoln LS. The market relevance of Allante was zilch.

  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Cadillac CTS will come with AWD!!

    Now *that* is a good idea, especially if it's available with the manual since you can't get a G35 sedan that way. And if the AWD is beefy enough, it might make a 600hp CTS-V not completely useless after all. :D
  • That would be interesting as neither AMG, except for the SUVs and those don't count, or M offer their cars with AWD. I do'nt expect a AWD V series though.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    my only main gripe (other than BLS) is the crappy stability control system. I hope thats being fixed ASAP and ready [and bugless] by CTS launch. 2008 Cts so far IMO beats the TL [ :cry: my favorite car in that segment :sick: :blush: ]. But not until the S.C. gets fixed.



    -Cj :P
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