Torque converter lock up should be smooth and flawless. Odyssey uses a variable lockup feature. Lock up occures gradually and should acheive full lock up in overdrive at about 62 mph. That's why some are feeling that little chuggle at about that speed. My shift and lock up was flawless until the converter started going bad. Evidently damage is progressive with accumulated mileage. Honda needs to replace all the converters and then reprogram. There is no reprogramming of the converter itself. But can be manipulated thorough engine rpm and shift point management. If you are still having some judder insist on a full torque converter diagnostic test. Honda is just trying to get by with a reprogramming patch job.
i have a 07 touring, had my converter replaced, rear mount replaced , and reprogramed, still there is a lurching as it goes in and out of lock-up. dealer doesn't know what esle to do. today just got back from a 400 mile trip and on accellerating from 60+ mph to pass, there a shimmy like a tire is out of balance goes away when out left the gas go?
I have done the A06-050 TSB (Drone or Moan When Driving at 2,100 RPM) in 08/2006, but the problem is not 100% solved; A06-083 (Excessive Engine Vibration at Idle or Below 2,100 RPM): dealer replaced the rear engine mount to correct a vibration problem when the rpm is between 1400 and 1600, but I still feel the vibration. Some people say the torque converter is the problem to this specific vibration, and eventually it will damage the transmission; A07-028 (Pinging, Rattling, or Squealing During Light Acceleration): I don't have this problem.
just curious, how bad is the vibration/shimmy everyone is feeling? Been trying to get this situation taken cared of but the service departments keep saying they don't feel anything. The software has been updated (2007 odyssey) and it may be getting worse. It happens when you take your foot off the gas and then accelerate. The vibration is not jaw breaking but it is there and was not there when it was new.
They don't know how to test the torque converter and they have said there would be a grinding noise if it was failing. The TSB does nto mention any type of grinding noise. Please share if you had success in getting this remedied.
Bought used 2006 EX at 29600 miles. Identical problem as tonton26, obvious vibration of steering wheel when slowing down (applying the brakes) from 70mph. Vibration disappears at 60 mph and under. Also I can notice some vibration in the steering wheel even when cruising at 70 mph, more obvious when I release the gas pedal at this speed but less obvious than when braking. All this makes me think it may be something in the direction system, maybe a bad tie rod or a loose front end. My mechanic (not at Honda dealership) installed after-market rotors, both front and back, next day after I bought the car. When I took it to the dealer couple a days ago, they said the rotors are warped, but the car presented same vibration when I drove out of the dealer lot right after purchase. I should have taken it back next day to the dealer instead of my mechanic, but original rotors looked bad, I thought that might be the reason for the vibration and new rotors with my mechanic cost half of Honda's quote. I had all 4 wheels balanced during my visit with the dealer, but that didn't change a thing. I would appreciate any suggestion. Tonton26, did you fix your problem, do you have any updates?
Thanks bibdady118!. You are saying that over tightening can cause the rotors to warp. Is that temporary, I mean if you tighten lug nuts at correct torque, vibration should go away? I also know that warped rotors will create vibration during braking at any speed and you will feel that both in the steering wheel and in the braking pedal. That might be my case, but I feel vibration ONLY in the steering and ONLY at high speeds. Dealer suggested to turn the rotors, but again they are new and I would like to check any other possibilities before that.
just an update on the vibration. took it to the service department and retest drove with the service manager this week. he finally felt the judder at low speeds and the torque converter was replaced today. the van was really driving rough within the last week after the software update. instead of masking the judder, the update may have made things worse. the service manager stated that there were a couple of other odysseys in for torque converter replacement after they had the software update. they also replaced a bad ball joint, didn't realize the steering was so stiff compared to now.
needless to say, the van does drive much better and vibration is not as bad. i think the van has the potential to drive better but i guess we will live with what we have for now. just worried that the new torqui e converter will go out again within 30,000 miles. the service department i work was extremely helpful but i think they may have their hands tied by honda with some of these issues.
Had mine in for normal service, asked them to rotate and balance tires. Took van to 60mph and touched the brakes, it was as if they put warped rotors on it! Sunday the van was fine, just a little vibration at 73 so I figured it needed balance, when I used brakes it was smooth as silk. Now the brakes shimmy as if they need full replacement. They did offer me a limited service for $120 where they would lube and clean the calipers, I've only got 26K miles and told them I'd be back in October for the 30K service and not to bother. Back in March the van was perfect, April oil change they inspected brakes and I got the 73mph vibration afterwords. Minor irritation. Yesterday they also did the "software upgrade" for the transmission. I suspect that they didn't torque the wheels properly, but also wonder if the software update could have done something? Taking back to dealer tomorrow, they know I'm not happy. I've got another trip next week taking daughter to college and will not drive over 1000 miles with this problem.
I've had the vibration feeling in the steering wheel at highway speeds & while applying brakes. I own a 05 EX-L and over a course of about a year and a half going back and forth to the dealer I have replaced brakes frt & rr, three alignments, several tire rotations and not all of them done by Honda and none of that helped. It turned out to be the hydraulic motor mount. Ever time the van would go into economy mode, BAM I get the vibration at the time. I just could put the two together until coming back from a 11hr trip and would notice that when the eco light comes on so does the vibration. Just so happen that a Honda Rep was at my local dealership when I came to pick up the van and when I test drove it after they checked my brakes rebalanced my tires and said nothing was wrong, I got on the expressway and their it went I turned around and went back to the Honda store and complained to the svc manager and the Honda rep asked if he could test drive the van with me to try and duplicate the problem. He figured it out within a mile what the problem was, and told it's the hydraulic motor mount that is mounted to the firewall or close to it. $630 later she was running like a champ.
My advice for owners of model year 05 and newer when your econ light comes on take note of any vibration. I hope this helps someone out there because like I said this was over a year and half time span plus a lot of money spent on trail and error. :mad:
And the braking vibration is still there, though seemingly less pronounced. I took it up to 80mph gradually, and the balance seems fine. BTW the ECO light comes on all the time, and I feel absolutely nothing different. Last month, up to St. Paul we got between 26-28 mpg at 75-80 with the air set at 68 so I know the eco is working (one week in northern Minnesota I averaged 31 mpg.) great. The only vibration I get now is when I brake from 75-60. It goes away below 60. I don't see how this could possibly be related to anything other than the rotors, but will keep an open mind because I didn't notice it until after the software update.
I'm just going to wait until I hit 30K and get all the brakes done at that time. Should be middle to end of Oct.
claim5, i see you are located in mn, i just had the torque converter replaced at walser honda in burnsville. the low speed judders are gone but vibration during acceleration from 60 to 65 is still there. i need to get an oil change so i figured they can also inspect the motor mounts.
the software upgrade actually made the vibrations worse and that was the reason why the converter was replaced.
i noticed the ex-l and touring had issues with engine mount, anyone with an ex have the same issue?? not
mnodyssey, Sorry, I'm actually in the NW suburbs of Chicago, was up in MN several times this year starting in March. Daughter to start college in St. Paul next week. My dealer is Schaumburg Honda.
On an unhappier note, just yesterday and today, while gently accelerating from a stop the van judders between 2nd and 3rd gear. Not every time, rather rarely. That's totally new, and wonder if it could have been the software update that brought it about. I think it's up-shifting too early. The dealer is not going to be happy to see me again. Could they perhaps reset it to the original factory specs? It was working fine until after the software update.
Think perhaps I'll go ahead and take the kid up to St. Paul and call the dealer when I get back after Labor Day.
My initial intention was to buy a 2010 Odyssey EX-L (would be my 3rd) at end of October but after last years financial disaster I'll probably have to keep the 07 for another year.
I have a Odyssey 2007 EXL - ~33000 miles. We did the Honda recommended software update 3 weeks ago and since then the vibration/judder at low speeds is horrible. This consistently happens between 20-30mph. he dealer said this is a Torque Converter problem that increased with the software update and they are going to replace the Torque Converter. I see other posters with same issue after the software update - did chancing the Torque converted solve the problem? Luckily the warranty covers this.
I am in the same boat. I also have 33K miles. I posted the info about the software update hear when I learned about it. I had the update done a few weeks ago and now at times the van shakes violently when shifting between 20 and 40mph. I took it in last week and at first they called me and said they couldn't find anything wrong. I went down and test drove with the mechanic until he felt the problem. As soon as he felt it he said he would place the order for a torque converter. It should be in today. I'll post back here once it's installed. Two years of complaining and finally something is getting done. I will never buy Honda again.
Yep, was absolutely perfect before they "fixed it" with the software upgrade. What is wrong with Honda??? I just hope dealer doesn't give me run-around. I notice the juddering from 20-30 if gently accelerating, and 30-40 if moderately accelerating. I love my Odyssey (just keep repeating that sentence). Here's hoping that a torque converter replacement won't screw something else up.
I own a 2006 Honda Odyssey myself. I also had the vibration problem, it's been doing it since it was brand new, I thought that it was the characteristic of this particular van. Usually when the "eco" mode kicks in I feel the vibration to be more profound. Recently, while on reverse I felt a thud from the engine compartment so I had it checked that same day just to find out that two of the engine mounts were broken. Good thing I had extended warranty otherwise it would have cost me $1,200. The tech said that it is a common problem for this model. At my son's school a parent drives the same vehicle and I tested it to see if they have the same problem and found out that she has the same busted engine mounts.
Just took my van in for the software update relative to the service bulletin. It has been giving me problems for the last month. While it only shook twice, it started feeling a little "off" between 20 and 40 MPH - expecially on a gentle incline.
My husband said that it was vibrating like crazy during the 10 minute trip home after the update. Will order a new torque converter - hope that helps. The van only has 29,000 miles on it.
My dealer had my van all of last week to replace the torque converter and fix one of the power sliding doors. When they replaced the converter they had to do an alignment and now the steering wheel points at 1 o'clock when driving straight. I noticed it after I drove out of the dealership on got on the highway. Anyhow they have committed to fixing that on my next service. The trans is much better now. Upshifts and downshift are less harsh. Before it often felt like I drove over something when coming to a stop. Overall the van drives smoother also. I have not felt any judder so far. After the update it would judder quite often. The service writer I dealt with said they are now finding out that about 90% of the time (according to Honda) that the update will not fix the problem and the torque converter will have to be replaced. She said the they now order a torque converter as soon as the update is performed. I, on the other hand, had to have the update done and then return so they could "see" if I really needed a new converter. I will never buy another Honda.
Bought this 2007 Odyssey on Sep 4th, with 3.5months of B2B warranty left. I found moldings loose, some things broken or needed fixing. So, I took it to the nearest dealer - RoushHonda in Westerville, OH and while they ordered parts to fix those items, they suggested that I apply the software update for the judder problem. I had felt that the van wasn't shifting very smooth at low speeds, so i agreed for them to apply the update. After the update was applied, things got really bad. Once the engine/transmission would warm up to the normal operating temps, the judder would happen 90% of the time between the speeds of 25-30mph or between 35-40mph while accelerating slowly - fairly typical driving conditions on 35mph roads with lots of traffic lights. Took it back to the dealer the next day armed with all of the TSBs and printouts from the forums, including this one, and had their senior mechanic drive with me. It did not happen for the first 10mins or so.. but after that, it showed up a little bit. But, my service manager was good and very nice. He went ahead and ordered the torque converter and scheduled the repair for today (Oct 8th). But, over the past one week, it's been getting more and more worse. When i dropped off the van at the dealer's yesterday, i had the service guy ride with me and it happened 5 times in 10mins of driving. I was definitely getting better at recreating the issue on demand. I made him write all of the stuff that he experienced first hand on the work-list. This morning, I called him back on how things were going and he mentioned that they've gone ahead and replaced the torque converter . Hopefully, everything's cool and it'll drive nicely. Keeping my fingers crossed. But, i have to say that this dealer has been real good to me and even took care of many issues (under warranty) that may have possibly been caused by poor maintenance/care by the previous owner and this van wasn't even purchased at that dealership. And now, they have replaced the torque converter. Will drive it for a few days once i get the van back this evening and see how it feels. Will post an update. Good luck to all of the others having similar issues with their tranny's. Hopefully, your dealer will attend to the problems the same way, my dealer did for me.
Update on the last post. Just got the van back from the dealer and it drives great!! . The transmission seems to be shifting smoothly after the torque converter replacement. The last time I was there, I had given then a printout of the TSB 07-28 (sound/noise during low acceleration). They ordered the parts for that also, along with the torque converter. When they did the tranny torque converter fix, they had to take out that exhaust and the heat-shield stuff out anyway, so he replaced it with the new parts based on the 07-28 TSB. Now, the vibrations aren't there and best of all, the ride is really nice and smooth at low-speeds. Now, I just hope it lasts like this as long as I own this thing.
Did any of you who had the judder/ torque issue get a letter from HONDA requesting to perform the Software update? I got a letter to do so and updated the software and now the judder is more. I could hardly notice the judder before the sofware update. Now the dealer told me to replace the torque converter.
Where can I find the TSB 07-28 .Could anybody provide a link?
Ranger80, I just found out today that the torque converter in my 05 Odyssey has gone bad. I have about 67K miles on the van. How did your dealership handle your situation? Mine is telling me that other years have had issues with the torque converter, but not the 05. They are quoting me just under $2K to fix the problem.
No, I did not receive anything from Honda. Originally, I went to the Honda Dealer to get some other things fixed on a used 2007 that I had bought from elsewhere. That's when the service manager told me that there is a s/w update for the judder and it might be a good idea to get that applied. Once they did that, I started having the judder problems. I searched on the web, etc and found all of the TSBs. One thing led to another and I convinced them to get my torque converter replaced and they did it for me. Now it drives much better. Atleast the judder issue is gone.
mine is going in wed. they flashed it at the last service and the judder is horrible. called them saturday and got no argument from the service manager regarding replacing the torque converter. it is a rough ride all the way through 65mph
Thanks GK for the TSB. I picked up my vanat 7:00 pm after the torque convertor was replaced. It is much better now. I only drove 2-3 miles so far. I hope it will be OK. After replacing the trq convertor the Honda Tech noticed that the power steering pump had some issues and replaced it under warranty although I did not feel any problem with steering in the past.
it is better, but I still feel like it has a rough ride. It seriously is the worst riding vehicle I think I have had. it is loud as hell on the hwy. I almost want to go back to a big SUV for the smooth, quiet ride. comfort and quietness win over MPG.
I have been monitoring this thread for a long time, to make sure I had enough "ammunition" before going to Honda. My 07 Odyssey Touring van has had the judder problem since I bought it last year at 27k miles. I have been living with the issue all this time.
I am happy to report that I took it to Honda yesterday, they applied the update, drove it themselves, found that it was worse, then called me to tell me they would replace the torque converter.
Interestingly, I have also been experiencing the same issue outlined in TSB 07-028 with the exhaust heat shield, however, my vin was not in the range. But they checked it out and indeed I did have the problem. They fixed that as well. Believe it or not they were going to charge me for it, saying that it was a "body item" and technically was not covered. However, they decided to "good will" it and didn't charge me.
I couldn't be more thrilled. The van drives like it is brand new now.
Fortunately when I bought the van it came with the Honda extended warranty. So everything was covered.
This turned out to be easier than I thought it would be. I thought I would be having to argue with Honda and show them posts from this forum.
Like many others, I've had the same vibrations & shudders in my van for mths. Three weeks ago when I had a scheduled oil change I mentioned the vibration & they said they updated the software. I had no clue that it even needed the update. Not long after, the noises were even worse & then the shudders came. Took it back. Replaced the torque converter. Within a few days worse than ever before. Took it back once again & replicated all noises within a mile of the dealership w/the Service Mgr & Tech in the car. It was the torque converter again. Now been waiting one week to take it back to replace the torque converter again. For some reason it has taken one week to even get the part in. Honestly don't know if they even replaced it the first time. I will print some of these posts to show them. Don't know what else to do! :mad:
When they replace the torque converter they have to take some of the suspension components off to get to it. When they put it all back together they are required to do an alignment. I found out because when I pulled out of the dealership the steering wheel was pointed to 1 o'clock rather than 12. (poor alignment job) You should have been able to tell from all the hand prints on your front wheels that they had the wheels off at least. Unless of course you car is kept very clean.
I too, noticed the judders after getting the software update. Prior to the update the transmission was perfect and smooth. I can't figure out why they would update the software for it and why it would cause or accelerate this problem. I'm taking it in this week (had to wait to have the time to do it) and hope they don't screw up the perfect alignment it has now.
Me too. My 2009 Ody was perfectly fine before the update but I noticed the juddering afterwards. I took my Ody back in and they replaced the trans converter. Now it's running as good as new again.
Just my hypothesis... I personally suspect that it's a recall workaround. I suspect that until they actually "induce" the judder (via software update) they are unable to tell which Ody's have the bad transmission versus those that do not. By doing this they: (1) eliminate need for a full recall, (2) save mass hysteria of people thinking they have the bad transmission when they do not, and (3) ultimately identify and repair the bad transmissions. Just my thought.
That is the most intelligent reasoning I've heard yet. It makes sense on a business standpoint, they avoid having to announce a recall, which would, of course hit the news and forever tarnish the "excellent" reliability record for the odyssey. Mine goes in tonight. :confuse:
Well I'm still waiting on a phone call to schedule service to replace my torque converter for the second time. They supposedly ordered on 10/16. I called 10/22 to check status and then again 10/23 after no one returned my call. Told I would get a call today 10/26 and no one called. Honda Cars of Hickory, NC. This is absolutely ridiculous. POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE! I sure hope that once they replace for the second time it will actually work. :sick:
Dropped it off last nite and got the call this morning, I need a new torque converter! So surprised, my heart was all in a flutter! (just like the transmission). Unfortunately they don't have the part and it might be Friday before I get it back. And I did confirm that they must remove some of the front steering/suspension to do the job, and they will do a total alignment as part of the repair. I bought it new and have 29K miles, should all be under warranty. :surprise:
I've been hoping too since 10/16 when I drove mine with the service manager and tech. They supposedly ordered the second torque converter on 10/16 and as of today I've yet to get a call that the torque converter is in and schedule the service. Hope they take care of you quicker than me!
hi all, just bought a used 2000 honda odyssey LX and felt standard vibration issues at 40-45 mph if the tire air pressure is 33. Increased the tire air pressure to 50 and now vibrations occur at 68-80 mph. I read all these posts in this forum and it is very helpful discussion. Showed yesterday to honda dealer ( Honda west, 38th st., Indianapolis, IN) and informed him about torque converter and new software issues, but according to him the vibration issue is in 05 and later odyssey. However, the tech felt the vibrations and according to them the issue is with tire steel belt which is broken. I asked him to show the problem and he showed slight wiggle on one of the front tire (driver side, did not check the passanger side tire, should have done that) and he suggested to order new front tires ($300.00). Kind of reluctant to buy that reason as the threads are fine on the tire. Any ways, just told him that I will buy new tires if the vibration issue is solved and they are going to replace new tires on this monday.
As it is 2000 odyssey, have no warranties so it is expensive affair. The engine is good and the vehicle is in good condition with 120k mileage. Can you guys provide your suggestions about this, how much the torque converter cost and is it really worthwhile to invest time and money in this issue. I read in some posts that new tires will reduce vibrations for a while, but then they come back later. Are there any TSBs for 2000 honda odyssey LX for vibration issues, please reply. Thanks in advance for your responses.
There is a shortage of torque converters, so it took several days to get it in, but the dealer did what they had to do and now it's running like new again! Covered under warranty so I don't know what they'd charge off warranty. No shudder, judder or any other vibrations, although I think it has a very slight pull to the left. I'm gonna drive it for a couple of days and see if I'm just being too sensitive.
My only complaint is that the mechanic apparently pushed the door open with his foot and left a large greasy smudge on the light gray (olive) door panel. It came off with some cinch.
Hondaody00, I think your vibration problem (high speed) is not the torque converter, but indeed a tire balance or tire quality issue. The torque converter problem usually occurs at slower speeds while accelerating. I'd recommend taking it over to Indy Tire and having them ck out your front tires. They'll probably do it for free, and they're prices might be better than the Honda dealer's if you need to replace a pair .
update on mine. picked up yesterday with a new torque converter and alignment for the second time in the last four weeks. runs really good. noticeable difference even in the pick up. i dropped off on thursday for the repairs and had my message ready to deliver to the sales rep. i told them about the messages on this website and all the research i'd done since i started having problems. that i wasn't going to keep this car with all of these problems and that i don't trust honda at all because of their poor communication on service bulletins. he not once disagreed. at least i got my point across and will not hesitate to take it back for more issues as they arise. stand firm with your issues. do not back down...this is HONDA we're talking about. good luck to all!
Thanks Claim 5 for your suggestion. Actually I already did that and even after balancing it, the problem is still there. Also, tried new front tires, but still vibrations are there. Now the honda dealer is telling to replace the front struts as they are leaking fluids and don't know what else will come up. I again try to address the torque converter issue at honda dealer, however he denied the torque converter issue. I need to know about these vibrations, are they severe or mild? do they come and go away or stays constant if you drive at that constant speed? Do you have engine light on if the torque converter has the problem? How do they determine that torque converter has a problem? Again, thanks in advance for your replies.
Well, I'm surprised that the balancing or new tires didn't solve the problem. Other items involved could be the half-shafts that drive the wheels, a u-joint (but I'd think you'd hear clunking) a bad shaft boot, or yes, even a bad strut. Another possibility is a slightly warped brake rotor. If you take your Honda up to highway speeds and touch the brakes, does the vibration get worse? If so, it's probably a rotor, especially if you feel it on the brake pedal.
The torque converter (at least mine) pronounced itself while accelerating gently or moderately, between 10 and 30 or sometimes 40mph as a juddering, that is, not a vibrating of the steering wheel but more like if you shifted a stick-shift car too soon and the whole vehicle shudders, but in the Odyssey it was less severe to the point that at first I thought it was ripples in the road. I drove this year 4 times between Chicago and St. Paul, twice after noticing the torque converter and at highway speeds up to and exceeding XXXmph (won't admit it in court, Wisconsin has a reputation to uphold). I did have a vibration earlier in the year at about 73mph but it was solved after having the tires re-balanced.
There was no engine/transmission/dummy light for the torque converter problem. I only felt it while accelerating, not at cruising, and it appeared mild at first, then more obvious over a period of about 2 months, but still only at lower speeds when the transmission wanted to shift gears.
By the way, did the service adviser take you over to the vehicle while it was up on the lift to show you the leaking struts?? I had a GMC dealer do that to me some years back on a Suburban, I actually watched the mechanic spray some lubricant up onto the rear shocks, then they told me the shocks were leaking and needed replacement. That's an old consumer fraud used for many years by mechanics who want to pad their booking hours. They're paid by how many jobs they can do in a day according to the "book", not how many hours they are actually there. Good Luck
Thanks Claim 5 for those thoughtful options. The vibrations are not only on steering wheel, they are also there on the entire vehicle, however, these are not very severe, but annoying enough to cause frustration. The way you describe the judders, it seems that they are on longitudinal axis and the van jolts from front end to the back, please correct me if I understood in wrong way. Vibrations according to me are from driver side to passanger side axis.
I saw the leakage on the struts, but can not tell whether it is lubricant spray or a real problem. I don't hear any clunking sound while intense curvy turning as that is the standard sign for the bad struts, so kind of doubtful that is it a real problem? As of now, am going to replace the struts and then going to align the wheels and lets see what happens, hope don't need to work on another options. Let you know what happens.
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any suggestions?
Have you had the issues in the following TSBs, which apply to your 2006 EX-L Ody?
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A06-050.PDF
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A06-083.PDF
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-028.PDF
If so, you should get them done first and then report back if you are still having issues.
They don't know how to test the torque converter and they have said there would be a grinding noise if it was failing. The TSB does nto mention any type of grinding noise. Please share if you had success in getting this remedied.
I had all 4 wheels balanced during my visit with the dealer, but that didn't change a thing.
I would appreciate any suggestion. Tonton26, did you fix your problem, do you have any updates?
Thanks
I also know that warped rotors will create vibration during braking at any speed and you will feel that both in the steering wheel and in the braking pedal. That might be my case, but I feel vibration ONLY in the steering and ONLY at high speeds.
Dealer suggested to turn the rotors, but again they are new and I would like to check any other possibilities before that.
needless to say, the van does drive much better and vibration is not as bad. i think the van has the potential to drive better but i guess we will live with what we have for now. just worried that the new torqui e converter will go out again within 30,000 miles. the service department i work was extremely helpful but i think they may have their hands tied by honda with some of these issues.
Sunday the van was fine, just a little vibration at 73 so I figured it needed balance, when I used brakes it was smooth as silk. Now the brakes shimmy as if they need full replacement. They did offer me a limited service for $120 where they would lube and clean the calipers, I've only got 26K miles and told them I'd be back in October for the 30K service and not to bother. Back in March the van was perfect, April oil change they inspected brakes and I got the 73mph vibration afterwords. Minor irritation. Yesterday they also did the "software upgrade" for the transmission. I suspect that they didn't torque the wheels properly, but also wonder if the software update could have done something? Taking back to dealer tomorrow, they know I'm not happy. I've got another trip next week taking daughter to college and will not drive over 1000 miles with this problem.
My advice for owners of model year 05 and newer when your econ light comes on take note of any vibration. I hope this helps someone out there because like I said this was over a year and half time span plus a lot of money spent on trail and error. :mad:
I took it up to 80mph gradually, and the balance seems fine. BTW the ECO light comes on all the time, and I feel absolutely nothing different. Last month, up to St. Paul we got between 26-28 mpg at 75-80 with the air set at 68 so I know the eco is working (one week in northern Minnesota I averaged 31 mpg.) great. The only vibration I get now is when I brake from 75-60. It goes away below 60. I don't see how this could possibly be related to anything other than the rotors, but will keep an open mind because I didn't notice it until after the software update.
I'm just going to wait until I hit 30K and get all the brakes done at that time. Should be middle to end of Oct.
i see you are located in mn, i just had the torque converter replaced at walser honda in burnsville. the low speed judders are gone but vibration during acceleration from 60 to 65 is still there. i need to get an oil change so i figured they can also inspect the motor mounts.
the software upgrade actually made the vibrations worse and that was the reason why the converter was replaced.
i noticed the ex-l and touring had issues with engine mount, anyone with an ex have the same issue?? not
Sorry, I'm actually in the NW suburbs of Chicago, was up in MN several times this year starting in March. Daughter to start college in St. Paul next week. My dealer is Schaumburg Honda.
On an unhappier note, just yesterday and today, while gently accelerating from a stop the van judders between 2nd and 3rd gear. Not every time, rather rarely. That's totally new, and wonder if it could have been the software update that brought it about. I think it's up-shifting too early. The dealer is not going to be happy to see me again. Could they perhaps reset it to the original factory specs? It was working fine until after the software update.
Think perhaps I'll go ahead and take the kid up to St. Paul and call the dealer when I get back after Labor Day.
My initial intention was to buy a 2010 Odyssey EX-L (would be my 3rd) at end of October but after last years financial disaster I'll probably have to keep the 07 for another year.
My husband said that it was vibrating like crazy during the 10 minute trip home after the update. Will order a new torque converter - hope that helps. The van only has 29,000 miles on it.
Where can I find the TSB 07-28 .Could anybody provide a link?
Here's the link to the TSB for the judder issue:
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A09-053.PDF
called them saturday and got no argument from the service manager regarding replacing the torque converter. it is a rough ride all the way through 65mph
vehicle I think I have had. it is loud as hell on the hwy. I almost want to go
back to a big SUV for the smooth, quiet ride. comfort and quietness win over MPG.
I am happy to report that I took it to Honda yesterday, they applied the update, drove it themselves, found that it was worse, then called me to tell me they would replace the torque converter.
Interestingly, I have also been experiencing the same issue outlined in TSB 07-028 with the exhaust heat shield, however, my vin was not in the range. But they checked it out and indeed I did have the problem. They fixed that as well. Believe it or not they were going to charge me for it, saying that it was a "body item" and technically was not covered. However, they decided to "good will" it and didn't charge me.
I couldn't be more thrilled. The van drives like it is brand new now.
Fortunately when I bought the van it came with the Honda extended warranty. So everything was covered.
This turned out to be easier than I thought it would be. I thought I would be having to argue with Honda and show them posts from this forum.
Just my hypothesis... I personally suspect that it's a recall workaround. I suspect that until they actually "induce" the judder (via software update) they are unable to tell which Ody's have the bad transmission versus those that do not. By doing this they: (1) eliminate need for a full recall, (2) save mass hysteria of people thinking they have the bad transmission when they do not, and (3) ultimately identify and repair the bad transmissions. Just my thought.
Mine goes in tonight. :confuse:
So surprised, my heart was all in a flutter! (just like the transmission).
Unfortunately they don't have the part and it might be Friday before I get it back. And I did confirm that they must remove some of the front steering/suspension to do the job, and they will do a total alignment as part of the repair. I bought it new and have 29K miles, should all be under warranty. :surprise:
Here's hoping....
back next week.
As it is 2000 odyssey, have no warranties so it is expensive affair. The engine is good and the vehicle is in good condition with 120k mileage. Can you guys provide your suggestions about this, how much the torque converter cost and is it really worthwhile to invest time and money in this issue. I read in some posts that new tires will reduce vibrations for a while, but then they come back later. Are there any TSBs for 2000 honda odyssey LX for vibration issues, please reply. Thanks in advance for your responses.
My only complaint is that the mechanic apparently pushed the door open with his foot and left a large greasy smudge on the light gray (olive) door panel. It came off with some cinch.
Hondaody00, I think your vibration problem (high speed) is not the torque converter, but indeed a tire balance or tire quality issue. The torque converter problem usually occurs at slower speeds while accelerating. I'd recommend taking it over to Indy Tire and having them ck out your front tires. They'll probably do it for free, and they're prices might be better than the Honda dealer's if you need to replace a pair
The torque converter (at least mine) pronounced itself while accelerating gently or moderately, between 10 and 30 or sometimes 40mph as a juddering, that is, not a vibrating of the steering wheel but more like if you shifted a stick-shift car too soon and the whole vehicle shudders, but in the Odyssey it was less severe to the point that at first I thought it was ripples in the road. I drove this year 4 times between Chicago and St. Paul, twice after noticing the torque converter and at highway speeds up to and exceeding XXXmph (won't admit it in court, Wisconsin has a reputation to uphold). I did have a vibration earlier in the year at about 73mph but it was solved after having the tires re-balanced.
There was no engine/transmission/dummy light for the torque converter problem. I only felt it while accelerating, not at cruising, and it appeared mild at first, then more obvious over a period of about 2 months, but still only at lower speeds when the transmission wanted to shift gears.
By the way, did the service adviser take you over to the vehicle while it was up on the lift to show you the leaking struts?? I had a GMC dealer do that to me some years back on a Suburban, I actually watched the mechanic spray some lubricant up onto the rear shocks, then they told me the shocks were leaking and needed replacement. That's an old consumer fraud used for many years by mechanics who want to pad their booking hours. They're paid by how many jobs they can do in a day according to the "book", not how many hours they are actually there. Good Luck
I saw the leakage on the struts, but can not tell whether it is lubricant spray or a real problem. I don't hear any clunking sound while intense curvy turning as that is the standard sign for the bad struts, so kind of doubtful that is it a real problem? As of now, am going to replace the struts and then going to align the wheels and lets see what happens, hope don't need to work on another options. Let you know what happens.