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I believe one of exzur's points may have been, maybe not everyone WANTS a bigger-than-yours minivan. We sure don't. My wife in fact had a hard rule: NO more overall length (+/_ a few inches) than her 98 S10 Blazer. I greatly enjoy the agility coming from our Aztek's 182-inch length, and am glad we do not have a portly 4482-lb Chrysler minivan getting only 17/22 MPG with its *impressive* power/weight ratio. Also: Aztek has more ground clearance than Town&Country, and a 3-ft smaller turning circle diameter.
while I'd love an awd aztek over the fwd, how low do you think I should be able to get a base aztek for (just base, no/few options)? I've been seeing stories of $16,000+ on the net and with the low financing, that would be the deal of the century! I'm in the northeast.... what are they going for around here?
thanks~
Vibrating A/C lines
Alternator/ignition noise through stereo
Sunroof noise (rushing wind and popping)
Driver door wind noise
Faulty seat heaters
Faulty rear hatch lock
Squealing front brakes
Several false malfunction indicator lights
Interior squeaks and rattles (glove box, instrument panel, seats, belts, etc.)
I'm sorry for leaving the rest out...I didn't want to take up too much space.
Why on earth are we even giving these people the time of day? Vinweasal and TC_watever, what do you drive? Why did you buy it? Please quote us the following information on your vehicle choices: Price, equipment, passenger volume, cargo volume, exterior dimensions, safety features, crash tests (iihs and NHTSA), weight, gas mileage, powertrain, horsepower, torque, performance times, towing capacity, wheel size, and anything else you may wish to add.
You know what. It's just a car man. It's got room, it's not the roomiest. It's got good gas mileage, not the best. It's pretty safe, not the safest. What do you care why I bought my car? Do you think you're really gonna make me change my mind and take it back??? Please... Who cares if a minivan is bigger. When you tell me what you drive I guarantee you I can give you a whole slew of cars that outperform it in at least one area and then YOU can spend 50 posts explaining why it's better in 20 other categories. No car is a master at everything. Some aren't at anything, but a good car does well where you think it's most important. I wanted a big car that I could drive. I used to drive a Ford Aspire and was so poor at handling it that I dreaded parallel parking it! I drove lots of big sedans and coupes and was very nervous, but I can parallel park the Aztek no prob. It actually amazes me every time I do it. But you go ahead and tell me there's bigger cars if it makes ya feel better.
My tek also gets about 23-27mpg (and I have a 4000lb+ AWD). I really have to drive like a granny to hit 27, but I've done it. Normally it's right around 23-25. I drive a minimum 150miles a day as a commuter. Every single day. Gas mileage is important to me as is AWD since some of that commute is through snow and we're not talking major highways, these are backroads the whole way. So if you wanna tell me about the insight or some other car that gets better mileage go ahead. You could even tell me of a minivan with AWD that gets better (though it woudln't surprise me if one didn't exist).
You know what. I like my car and so what if it isn't perfect in every area. Like your car is? This really goes back to styling. It's just a car dude, get over it. So you don't care for the styling, big whoop. But hey, it's hard to understand, but some people are willing to buy a car that vinweasal and tc_whatever don't find asthetically pleasing. We read your 2001 trends report, but bought it anyway.
Aztek owners, here's an FYI. Azteks aren't perfect, we know that. But these guys really won't stop until we can prove that. We bought a car they believe is ugly and the only way to justify that is that it must be a perfect car. That's rediculous. Keep asking them what they own and see how well it stands up to a microscope. They haven't said anything bad about the car yet.
TC_whatever, I found your argument that the low sales showed the quality of the car to be quite funny. If a bunch of people think it, it must be true. Way to be leader:) Lets face it, most people abuse what is called heuristics. It's a thinking shortcut. Following the herd is easier than finding it out for yourself. Ask most new car buyers if they considered the Aztek when purchasing... Ask them if they drove one. Probably not. They saw it was ugly, heard the word-of-mouth bashing, and saw the medias horribly biased opinions. Those who drove it, tend to see it's a nice car. Actually read the reviews on it, and between the ugly remarks you'll be lucky to find a bad word. But alas, most people can't dive that deep into a review (and most reviewers probably don't even realize that in their entire review bashing the Aztek they failed to find one flaw besides styling).
And this... "TSBs by tc_i_am Oct 18, 2001 (11:09 am)
Hey, looks like this thing is begining to leak, batteries are draining down, and other fun stuff. As usual, the General doesn't dissapoint."
Please look up the introduction year for 20 or 30 other cars so you can really judge whether that's a lot of announcements or not. I bet you haven't look at the announcement lists of more that 3 cars tops. So I suppose you know what a lot is huh. All new cars have some probs. Mine personally doesn't leak and starts just fine. I remember the Grand Cherokees had a tendency to slip outta park and slide away after their 1999 redesign. The Ford Escapes had fuel line leaks when they came out. They're not bad cars, but they all got problems. Just like no model of car is perfect, neither is any individual car. Mine has a buzz in the back I'm trying to locate. It also had a light go out in the radio (fixed). My Dad's Dodge Ram's battery keeps dying, my mom's jeep always has catalytic problems, my brother's Daytona has been a pain since day 1, my other brothers Ford F350 is constantly going in for warranty work, etc.
I'll eventually find the buzz and stop it. Till then it's happy hunting. Perhaps when you give us the make/model of your cars we can look up their recall/service announcements and see who has more...
Steve, I just wanted to let you know I spent a LOT of time on this post:) I enjoy talking to Aztek owners and this seems to be the only community of them. Ahh, defeated, but not beaten. RRRRRMonopolies:)
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-10-17-gm-quality.htm
GM is now superior in JD Power's Initial Quality Survey to Ford, D_Chrysler, Nissan, BMW, Jaguar, well you get the picture! Smokin'...
BTW, poor BMW fell from 4th to 13th! yikes!
I'll keep you update.
I'm sure it will be something along the lines of "....well my dad can beat up your dad!"
sp01, Is the tire mounted on a wheel??? Or the tire mounted on a rim???
I wrote 17" wheel, not 17" rim.
I could be wrong, but my understanding is an automobile wheel is synonymous to the rim and the tire mounted on it.
16 cannot be bigger than 17. Unless you are in for something.
Here ya go Ex!
http://www.tirerack.com/index.jsp
See? They sell tires and wheels. Since you didn't know, I thought this might help...
To answer a question about what other vehicles are comparable to the Aztek. And I did. I also gave my personal impression about the looks of the car.
I drive a '01 Cherokee Sport. The boxiest of the boxy. I like the way it looks, which is almost the opposite of Aztek's slopes, but I don't expect you or any one else to. Call it conservative. It is. So am I. I can give you all the stats you asked for, but it's probably easier for you just to go and look at the vehicle yourself on Edmunds. The things I love about it are the 4x4, the insane power/weight ratio for a vehicle it's size, and the ability to modify it to my heart's content. It's loud, handles like a truck, and is a 15 year old design. I knew all these things when I bought it and I welcome anyone to comment negatively about it. When I bought it I was ready to take the good with the bad. Now how many Aztek buyers expected to be called on the looks of their vehicle and were ready for the criticism? Some did and some didn't.
I find absolutely nothing wrong with your choice of cars and have no intention of trying to convince you why it sucks (it doesn't, by the way).
So why do you come here and try to convince me why my choice of cars sucks (it doesn't, by the way)?
As for your personal feelings about the looks of the car, I couldn't care less. Just like you shouldn't care less about how I feel about the looks of your car.
My way works so much better than the instructions that, at this year's Aztek Rally, Pontiac had a fim crew record me putting it up.... inside of 3 minutes.
Anyways, I think I answered the quesiton of other comparable vehicles to the Aztek, so I'll go back to lurking.
Below is the definition of automobile from the dictionary.
Main Entry: 2automobile
Function: noun
Date: circa 1889
: a usually four-wheeled automotive vehicle designed for
passenger transportation
sp01, are you saying the "four-wheeled" mention on the dictionary does not include the tires.
sp01, Correct me if I am wrong. Please.
Many have tried, Ex...
Of course you are. Pity you didn't expect more from GM.
A dose of my own medicine? I'll take that anytime. You should pay more attention to your own though:
"#2636 of 3144 Any comments will be appreciated. by exzur Jul 19, 2001 (11:01 am)
With almost 7,000 miles on the odometer, it's time to rotate the tires. I am about to order a P235-60-17 Eagle GS and the ASA JS5 17" wheels from Tirerack.com. This wheel tire combo will replace the P215-70-16 Uniroyal Tiger Paw tires and the Pontiac wheels. I am thinking P235-50-18 as a last minute choice.
I will use the new wheel tire combo for the next 7,000 miles. When rotation time comes I will put back the original wheel tire combo. And the rotation cycles goes.....
Would I not have a problem moving up from 215-70-16 to 235-60-17 tires??? Is this tire rotation pattern a good idea? Would I be better off with the 235-50-18 tires instead?..."
Always wondered what shoe leather tasted like. Maybe you could tell me?
exzur: I think they are right, wheels is the same thing as rims and tires are different. Do you really have 18" wheels on yours because mine has 16" rims and I think they are small.
Hehehe.. you folks are amusing. Thanks.
As I though tc_whatever. You didn't have a reply to my post. Go get your jollies elsewhere. Every time this guy posts please refer him back to my post and ask him to answer all those questions I posed before we reply to anything he has to say. TC_whatever, this is an open challenge for you to be quiet for a change and listen to our questions and then reply. I still dare you to answer all the questions of my post.
Why did I post recently?
VIN WEASAL SAID:
To answer a question about what other vehicles are comparable to the Aztek. And I did. I also gave my personal impression about the looks of the car.
I don't believe I asked for you to name comparable cars. I can research on my own and though I truly appreciate you helping me to find car alternatives that are comparable to the market you believe I'm interested in; I have already made my purchase. Perhaps that is where you guys are confused. We have already bought our cars, so why are you guys tring to argue that their are others in the market niche that are better? It's a mute point; the deal is done.
So lets take your purchase for a moment. A 2001 Cherokee sport. I would have prefered you answered my questions for accuracy, but I suppose by not doing so you can refute what I say. I will assume you have the standard 4-door Sport 4X4.
Weight: 3371 lbs Auto
Length: 167.5
Track: 58 front and rear
Height: 64
Cargo Vol: 32.9
Max towing: 5000lbs
Tires: 225/75R15
Engine: 190hp 225ftlb torque
MPG: 15/20 auto
0-60: 8.9 (manual)
IIHS: Marginal
NHTSA: 3* everywhere but rear seat sides (5*)
Since the thing is basically from the stone ages no more up to date info could be found.
No side airbags. No traction Control. ABS only an option. AC, power door lock, power windows, tilt steering, cruise control, luggage rack, and alloy wheels are all options! Sunroof, leather seats, and power seats need not apply. Pretty tall and very skinny with a tiny track. That adds up to a 2* rollover rating for both 4x2 and 4x4. Interior volume is pretty lacking compared to the rest in its class. Use MSN Carpoint side-by-side to compare shoulder/hip/head room and what not to see you're losing 4-6 inches to competitors. Cargo volume is typical Jeep. I was shocked the first time I saw the trunk of a grand cherokee. I was literally stunned to see that thing could hold my bookbag and maybe a grocery bag or two. The Cherokee isn't much to brag about either.
So you bought an aging design. Its mileage is simply unacceptable for its weight. My tek has a good 700lbs on it and still gets way better gas. Accelleration isn't too bad, but with that mileage would you floor it? Safety is a joke. They didn't even attempt to make this car safe and most safety features now considered common place and standard aren't even available! Not to mention the skinny track. But I'm sure you'll be comfy driving along the highway with your convenience features. Oh wait, unless you shelled out some major extra dough... you don't have any. Enjoy the FM radio and cassette player. I'm sure it's a cushy ride on those tiny plastic 15" wheels too, unless you shelled out some extra dough for alloy. I'm sure you use it offroad all the time though. But I'm sure you can find many models out their just as off road capable, with better features, better safety, more volume, better mileage, and frankly just a better car. This thing is basically an enclosed lawnmower. As for quality and reliability? Well, when you just have an engine and sheet metal what can go wrong? And it's not like there's a lot of things to rate it for quality anyway. "Those are some sturdy plastic hubcaps."
The point is, you like your car. That's great. But how would you feel if you got this every time you mentioned you bought it. Don't even try and tell me this happens to you ever time you tell someone you have a Cherokee... Well to us tek owners it does. And don't bother refuting the above because remove the colorfulness of it and it's true. I got those stats mostly from carpoint. The cherokee is worst in class for most everything I can think of. The idea that the ability to add more metal to an already topheavy car is a bonus to you astounds me. But hey, if it's important to you so be it. Perhaps you're one of those fellows that doesn't even wear a seatbelt or foolishly assumes you're a "good" drive so you don't car about safety. Whatever. You like it and that's fine. I can tell you all this stuff now, but either you didn't care when you bought it, or you were stupid and are just stuck now. Well, I doubt you or us Aztek owners are stupid. We all knew what we were getting into when we bought our car. Just accept it and move on. To assume a person bought their car without researching the competitors is a blatent insult and by pointing out the facts on the Aztek's competitors (which in my mind is every single car because who limits their choices).
If you'd like to try and refute what I said be my guess. But for as much as you can say I can come up with more. Maybe after a few hundred posts you'll realize that's exactly where us Tek owners are.
Hee Hee, good one. But if it's such a piece of junk, why did they make it for 15 years and sell 8-10 times (roughly) as many each year as the Aztek has? I guess that probably makes me a sheep for buying one...
Actually, much like the 2001 Aztek, there were all sorts of incententives and deals when I bought it because of the introduction of the Liberty. They were trying to get rid of them as they had stopped producing them. All the options you mentioned above I got for free and then some. But I had to go 1300km to find one.
"...tell me this happens to you ever time you tell someone you have a Cherokee... Well to us tek owners it does"
Why's that, you figure?
Sorry, low blow. I really enjoyed your post. It was funny and not untrue.
I want to salute the most fervent Tek owner in this forum - "kissfan" - the guy who should get the credit for single-handedly (in many cases) keeping this forum alive and well defended against many naysayers... Great job kissfan..
I am a convert ! Back several months ago, I used to dislike the 'Tek so much, but now, I no longer have this feeling. In fact I have come to actually like this vehicle and would seriously consider owning one someday. And I cannot wait to actually see a '02 version in person. Looking at the '01 prices you can get today, with the 0% financing, it is very tempting. Although I am looking for something in the mid-size luxury sedan category, I can very well see myself owning and driving a Tek someday. I am that much interested in it.
Kermitek, noastar, gregeaston, and others on this forum, please continue your fabulous job of EDUCATING everyone, especially the naysayers.... You should not have to defend yourself to no one, its your choice and darn it, if others don't like it, they can lump it !
"Why's that, you figure?"
This does not happen to me. Almost all remarks are questions about how do I like the Aztek, or a statement about the Aztek being a nice car.
Vin, may I ask why you hang out in the Aztek area of the town hall?
Also i noticed the sunroof rules out other accessories it seems.
CF5 Power Glass Sunroof
Includes power glass sunroof and deletes OnStar, overhead console and rear seat audio controls.
Which do you prefer? I like to hear others opinions as it helps give me some insight that may help me with my choice. :-)
I read this topic because it is always so entertaining. Don't worry, I'll go back to lurking.
Can you blame him for lurking about and occasionally posting to help stir things up? For some reason none of us can seem to let an insulting comment go unanswered. If you would just ignore the slams eventually they would stop because, without being able to watch the rise it gets out of us, it wouldn't be fun for the insulter.
Or, we could all turn the tables and go find the Saturn VUE board once that SUV comes out and start badgering those people.
Just for the record, I think the 'Tek is a well made vehicle with love it of hate it looks.
Personally, I think automotive styling hit it's peak in the '30s, but that's another story.
No, I can't blame him. I need more info and would have to follow more closely the posts that Vin makes and then determine if the posts are made by a troll. I do agree with you, the best method to deal with a troll is to dry it up.
I responded because, I originally came into the town hall area to find out what experiences people where having with the Aztek, before I purchased one for myself. I almost decided not to buy an Aztek due to the negative posts on this board, but then I looked more closely and saw what actually was being posted.
For the most part, people that have purchased an Aztek are happy with the car. The negative posts are from those that own a different brand vehicle.
This is problematic because we are talking about an expensive item, and the deals on the Aztek may save someone alot of money over an alternate choice. Plus, there are costs involved in shopping for this type of item.
Dan
I've owned the AZTEK for 13 months and have travelled all over USA and Canada. The vehicle has performed without flaw.
The quality control has been outstanding and stands up to Toyota or Honda. i EXPECT TO KEEP THIS VEHICLE UNTIL i BEAT MY RECORD (330,000 kMS).
Great vehicle!! OWN IT = LUV IT
wearing the ; ) AZTEK smile!!
Dan
The tires seem to have some trouble with mud, but we did not get stuck at all. Our old Explorer had more problems in mud and sand.
I don't get why everybody is down on the looks of the Aztek. No it is not that pretty but I didn't buy it for the looks. I think it looks fine for what it is supposed to be used for.
It drives and rides well and I like mine a lot.
Is the padding as good/firm? Opinions please!
Also i noticed the sunroof rules out other accessories it seems.
CF5 Power Glass Sunroof
Includes power glass sunroof and deletes OnStar, overhead console and rear seat audio controls.
Which do you prefer? I like to hear others opinions as it helps give me some insight that may help me with my choice. :-)
Throw me some tidbits here please!
Dan
Thanks for your suggestions last week.
The tank is full and it is in park so it is not something silly. I am waiting for a tow to the dealer. Did anyone else have a problem like this? I read drzoom1 battery problem but since mine is cranking I do not think that is it.