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My bad. I though you were talking about American pricing. The US sounds pretty good right about now.
you really want me to pick, $48k for a gussied up pilot, its a no brainer the enclave with the money saved for track days with the alfa...
I have to say I agree (gasp!) and not even necessarily abou the Enclave part (gasp!gasp!). While being a fan of the MDX, I know in my right mind I wouldn't spend almost 50k for one- especially knowing it's only a good looking Pilot with more toys. It will get even harder to think about when Honda releases the new Pilot this spring (?) as the two will share even more features and refinements.
It's a stereotype mindset, but if I'm spending more than 45k, it's a Benz or Bimmer (possibly a Caddy or Audi).
At least prices are starting to come down in Canada. I found dealers to be very arrogant about pricing when I lived there, as if they're doing you a huge favor by giving you 50 bucks off. It's about time reality bit them in the rear...
I'm with you there but you can keep your Benz and Bimmer. I'll take a Volvo or a Cayenne.
Maybe. But BMW is considered performance, and some buy this brand for the luxury part of it.
Cayenne- okay (but it's more truck truck to me as it can tow). But Volvo? That's boring. I know everyone may not share that view, but I also know I'm not alone in thinking that Volvo isn't quite at the MB world class level either. You can tell by their somewhat bland interiors. A Volvo is something I would consider if I was buying a Honda.
But I've digressed. To try to keep it on topic, I think I'd choose an M-class over and XC90 any day of the week. One could bring up Volvo's sterling safety and reliability, but MB has come up in reliability terms, too.
tidester, host
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BTY, the new MDX is an improvement over the previous gen, however, I personally don't think it has as nice of a feel as Lexus / BMW or MB.
It doesn't have the price of a BMW or MB either and for what you would pay for the Tech package it is probably considerably less than a comparable RX.
Well, I know the Pilot lost a sale when my aunt looked at the then-new 2005 Odyssey. She was gung-ho about the Pilot, but the van offered more for less, even though the Pilot looked a lot better to her. This, coming from a previous CR-V (read: CUV) owner.
Totally reasonable. I just don't think that happens much. If I want a minivan, I'm getting a van. The CUVs don't even get a second look. For now. (Though I wonder if the gap will be bridged with the next gen lambdas? As they are the closest CUVs on the market to minivan comfort, we'll have to see)
We only have 2 kids. Girls 3 and 5. The third is a ride along every day after school. The 3 year old is still in a full carseat. The other 2 are in booster type seats. All three just fit. We have a 2000 Saturn LW2. The back seat has 54" hip room.
When we went on some test drives we simply checked to see if all three seats would fit in the second row. Some times they didn't so that car would get crossed of the list. The Rondo was the smallest that fit all three seats in the second row. Surprised me. My wife is quite taken with it. Yeah, fully loaded can be had at an attractive price point. It really is quite a buggy. Like Rodney Dangerfield it just gets no respect.
Usually if we need to carry more than five it is just more kids. I come from a big family with lots of younger kids running around. Lots of seats to carry to the movies or what not are very handy. Sometimes have another kid or two that want to tag along after church as well. Longer road trips are usually just the four of us with my Mom along occasionally. More than five seats would let us spread out a little more for comfort. (if my Mom is along my wife gets relegated to the back seat between the girls, not very comfortable)
We both like the TX and the VC. The Pilot is a dark horse, I like the traditional SUV styling, and the deals are decent on them now. We'll make a decision sometime within the next couple of months.
Even though my wife doesn't really like vans so much, our favorites were the Sedona and the Sienna.
The Enclave and new coming Cadillac CUV's are good choices in the lux segment.
They were getting their Civic (currently their only car) serviced at the Honda dealer next door, which only had cars loaded with useless extras (several CR-Vs OVER $30k). The Hyundai dealer told mom and dad (under no pressure) that they would be able to get a fully loaded and optioned VeraCruz for under $33k.
I was impressed with how highly my folks spoke of the VeraCruz. Of course, they really liked the Entourage as well (mom's last vehicle was a 2000 Honda Odyssey EX), and a model with the features they liked was $23k (not sticker of course). They said that they really liked it, and that it made them realize that a Hyundai was worth considering, but that they couldn't see themselves paying over $30k for a Hyundai.
Dad didn't like the Acadia or Outlook he saw at the car show; he felt they cost too much for what you got in return. He also felt that GM hadn't overcome the "plastification" of its interiors, even though they were better overall than they have been in past years.
He does plan to test drive a new Malibu LTZ V6 though - they're looking for just about anything for their new vehicle. Key features? Highway comfort, power, and the most comfortable front seats. COMFORT being key here.
Oh yeah? How well did your test drive go? What aspect of the driving experience did you like best?
:lemon:
Geez, man, does the word objectivity mean anything to ya?
I have to disagree with noisy, not very comfortable. The noisy compare to what vehicle? Prius? What I know the lambdas has most quite and comfortable ride compare to any CUV. Even more Enclave is most quite one from CUV's.
I agree the GM volume controls are hard to reach on all vehicle, that the including sedans and SUVs.
AC/climate/ radio is easiest to use on any GM vehicle.
Should it something tell you, that something wrong with this picture? No one wants to buy Huyndai for 38K. Of course "no pressure", it's not my money to spend.
And those recalls were just in the last month. It's important to fix them, but recalls barely make the news anymore. Pick a make and I bet there's a recall on it sometime, somewhere.
I do!
Sorry...I mean...I did!
Vad...no disrespect intended, but the fact you and I went different directions with our vehicle purchase after what we both claim was fairly exhaustive research, only serves to leave me feeling validated with my final choice. Language barrier aside, your pathological myopia gives me the impression you entered into your pursuit of a vehicle wearing blinders the size of football fields - CFL size.
On another note, I believe Acura Canada just followed the pack...did I see a $4500 price break on the MDX in the papers this weekend? I think I posted earlier that Acura hadn't applied incentives...yet...but to watch for them. Looks like they are here. I still think there are better options for buyers in this segment (just my opinion) but the price break helps. There isn't any question the MDX is a great car - I really do like it.
Congrats! I hope you end up us as happy with it as we are. We were at a small party last night and a group of four of the husbands wanted to have a look through the VC after one of them, a friend who has previously driven it with me, couldn't stop talking about it. I didn't say a word. They were all very impressed and simply astounded at the price.
As for your comment re access to the third row when car seats are in place...we have car seats in both outer positions in the second row and were pleased to find we could slide the second row forward and tilt it fore just enough - with car seats in place - that teenage nieces and nephews can get in and out of the back without too much effort.
Don't be hard on them. I think it's a common mindset. I couldn't really see doing it either (maybe the Genesis will change that). I couldn't see spending more than 40k for a Chevy (besides the Vette) or GMC(maybe Yukon Denali), or Honda. I wouldn't consider a Buick wither unitl I drove the Enclave. I wouldn't pay over 30k for anything Ford Moco, save the the Mustang GT500. Funny thing about the Mustang and the Vette is neither wears the traditional brand badge.
Oh- and you said your dad didn't like the poorer lambda siblings. Did he like the Enclave?
Caddy's getting a Lambda, too? I'm guessing it will be the SRX replacement and will be sized down considerably? HMMM, that is interesting to think about. I bet it would compete well with the likes of X5 and ML and MDX.
Since I sell the CX-9, I get numerous people comparing it to the Enclave / Acadia etc etc....I have heard nice things from those people. The not so nice commenting people wave "good bye" to me as they are driving away in their new CX-9.
I was going to say the same thing.
Also, around me, after discounts, you can get a Veracruz starting at $26k. OK, that's FWD with cloth, but you can still get AWD and leather on a mid-line model for that $30k psychological limit and lot of people might put on the brand.
Top it off with 2 of Consumer Reports top 10 picks, and they might be on a roll.
People here may not agree with CR but they certainly do influence a lot of shoppers, perhaps more of those folks will be willing to break the $30k barrier in a Hyundai.
That's what amazed me, that a lot people think honda or toyota has better interior then GM vehicle. They're using same cheap plastic as american maker, also i had Acura and I tell you the interior far away from BMW, Lexus or Mercedes. It's may be design make you think that, but if you look close to details it's cheap with big gaps between panel, where in time will be a lot dirt. The Enclave interior is the way better then any Honda or Toyota.
Oh, I get it. You can have your opinion, and it is right. My opinion (or in this case, my dad's) is bogus, and wrong.
Man, you've got to be kidding me with this crap. Quit telling us that we're all wrong if we don't agree with you, because we don't do it to you. It's getting REALLY old, REALLY fast. Get over yourself.
I recommend scrolling past messages you don't care to read.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Two things that are severely lacking these days? Common sense, and common courtesy.
You've really got to learn to ignore him. We all get some from him,but it seems to get to you the most. If you don't like someone's oppinion, don't reply to it. It simply means you don't have enough respect for it to respond.
Not to say that you (or your dad) are wrong, but I do kind of have to agree with him. Honda interiors don't really impress me that much. I don't think they are better than anyone else. But I was very impressed with the Enclave interior. I thought it was well made and a huge departure from Buicks of not so long ago.
One thing I will say: If Caddy can improve upon a good thing by making the styling even more attractive the driving experience more refined, and the third row more comfortable- basically making it a better competitor in the midsize lux CUV segment- the I'll make space in my garage.
The BRX, a replacement for the CTS-based sport utility SRX, should debut late in 2009. Styling is almost identical to that of the Provoq concept. Underpinning the BRX will be a new version of GM's Theta sport utility platform.
Really? Then you might like to ask the nice owners of those having purchased Veracruz Limited (and optioned out) for 38K to return their keys and car. Hyundai has been able to sell the Veracruz without much incentives; the avg. transaction price is around 36K IIRC.
Yeah- I heard that in MT about two years ago. BUt it doesn't make any sense. The BRX will be X3/GLK sized. The SRX was sized to compete with the MDX and X5.i will be dissapointed if they remove themselves from the midsize lux market. And I'm not totally sold by that Provoq. I can tell it's a Vue.
Where? In Canada? If I'm paying that much, I ,ight as well pay 1500 more and get an MDX!
My bad- I meant 3500. I've heard of people getting MDX's for 38500. But I see incentitives on VCs all the time. It seems others around here do too.
My point being, people are buying 30K+ Hyundais, as evident, the stigma is slowly fading away. As they say, good products sell themselves.
Right now the only national incentive I am aware of on the Veracruz is the $299 24 month lease special on the GLS trim, which is the base version. Actually, that one has expired as of yesterday. I would imagine the rest of the incentives come from regional and local dealer support.
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing the only features you would lose on the Acura are sunroof, and DVD. And you gain bluetooth.
What I'm sayong is that yes, the stigma is fading, but common sense isn't. 30k for a Hyundai isn't ridicoulous, but 40k is. 40k is ridiculous for a Honda, or a Chevy (unless it's a Suburban or Corvette). 40k is like a luxury marking line. For that close to 40, you can get an Acura or Mercedes or Lexus, and while MT said the VC was better than the Lexus (because it was cheaper), there are luxuries and features you are going to get in an Acura or Lexus that yyou just won't in a Hyundai. But that's fine. Hyundai doesn't compete with Lexus. And it's a mistake trying to market them that way.
You're right, the rest must be comming from local dealers, as i've seen dealers take over 2000 off of VCs.