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Why doesn't Nissan just fix there problems!!
Who wants a new lemon!!! :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
i have a 2007 versa sl sedan, i have 90,000 miles and love this car but unfortunately the car won't start after i drove it to my brothers house. my mechanic for 15 years said that it could be the crank or cam shaft sensor. he replaced both of them with nissan original parts but it still didn't start.... he unplugged the cam shaft or crank shaft sensor and it started running perfectly but when he plugged it back in it shut off... so he did it again then it didn't start but after a couple of tries it started again but this time he used a scanner and tried to override the sensor so he can plug it in after that was done he plugged it back in then turned on the sensor with the scanner it shut off again wtf...he told me to take it back to the dealer b/c they have the computer diagnostics to repair but for five days they had no clue what to do so on the fifth day and $400 in parts and towing and $400 in rental they want me to get a new engine i said again WTF it is a sensor part not the engine...i need help before i go crazy...i'm on my way to the dealership now to give them a peice of my mind. i will update on what happens... :confuse:
Cold weather may also be in play here
Please let us know what happens ! Good Luck !
i had this issue, but it was linked to leaving my car sit for two weeks with 1/4 - 1/2 tank of gas. It was about a week after I bought my car.
Water got into my gas tank, and after driving it for 30-45 minutes (and putting in gas cleaner) it fixed it.
did this at the suggestion (driving) of the dealership mechanic.
this is probably in these forums somewhere, but nissan dealerships have their servicing WAY overpriced. i got ripped off for the last time at the 30k servicing and have never gone back.
The CVT makes a WHINING NOISE which is most irritiating. The dealer said that this is normal for the CVT. Technical Services said that they cannot do anything about it.
The ABS braking system makes a CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK NOISE on leaving the curb. Technical Services told me that this is normal as the ABS system is calibrating itself. CLUNKING NOISES occur right after the automatic door locks kick in.
The ABS system makes a strange metal to metal CLANKING noise when stopping on ice with lots of vibration at the brake poedal. Technical Services told me that this was normal for ABS brakes. They asked me if I had hjad ABS brakes before. I told them that yes I had, and that there was never any of this metal to metal CLANKING NOISE when stopping on ice. It does not instill confidence when braking. You feel like the car is falling apart.
Another strange noise occurs from time to time where something grabs from the back of the car to teh brake pedal in the front whether or not you have your foot on the brake pedal.
GAS MILEAGE Is misrepresented in the brochure, I am getting about 1/2 of the documented gas mileage.
How can Nissan sell such shoddy product?
I am very disappointed in my purchase and in Nissan.
I would not recommend this car.
I haven't had time to come and look at your posts in the last few months, but here I am again.
I have dealt with Nissan Technical Services, and they are pretty lame. They told me that the WHINING NOISE with the CVT transmission is normal, and that there is nothing they can do about it. They told me that the CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK NOISES coming from the ABS system is normal, and that there is nothing that they can do about it.
The metal to metal CLANKING NOISES coming from the ABS when braking on ice is also normal, and there is nothing that they can do about it. They asked me if I had had ABS on my other cars. I have had cars with ABS brakes, and there is no metal - metal CLANKING noise when braking on ice. This thing feels like the car is going to fall apart. :lemon:
Pedestrians have looked over at me and my car with the WHINING NOISE from the CVT and also with the metal - metal CLANKING ABS noise when braking on ice. :lemon:
The CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK noise from the ABS self calibration has also had some pedestrians look at the car.
I been reading some of the Versa Forum posts again, and it amazes me to see that Nissan would actually allow their customers to get this pist off at them.
They have 7% DEFECTS in their production, and their Technical Services Representative told me that he was not aware of this 7% DEFECTS. I told him that the Financial Representative at my dealership had told me about this when he was trying to sell me the extended 5 year warranty.
I was glad that the Financial Representative had told me about the 7% DEFECTS, and I took the extended warranty.
Please note that other Versas which we had rented did not make these noises. Had the Versas I test drove had these noises, I would never had purchased the Versa.
My own brand new Versa was fine for the first 3200 km, - no noises. Then it began making noises in early September 2010.
Nissan needs to get with their quality program and perhaps think less of catchy marketing gimmicks like let's Shift_Innovation.
Before we innovate, can we get the basics right? - like the transmissions and the brakes???
I don't recommend this car to anyone.
What's with all the rattles and noises on a new car at 3200 km????
Just wanted to add that when I dealt with Technical Services, they asked if I wanted to switch to the Nissan Rogue or the Altima seeing that I was not happy with the Versa.
I told them there was no point as they have had problems with engines and CVT transmissions on these models as well. :lemon:
I referred them to teh edmunds.com Forum and to teh NissanVersa.org Forum where consumers can post.
Additional posting sites are at the Lemon Law 1 -888 - 453 - 6667
and at www.thetruthaboutcars.com
Instead of sleeping I am up at 4 am this morning worrying about these Versa Pronlems!
The above message appeared in my email. I sent a registered letter to Nissan Customer Service in Toronto, regarding my lemon :lemon: and with that they had the Technical Service "Engineer" come to the dealership and he checked over the car.
My dealership service manager kept telling me that Nissan was sending in their "US Technical Service Engineers", when I finally brought in the car it was a "Technical Service Engineer" from the Montreal Office who listened to my complaints. He was not able to give me his phone number or a business card.
When I spoke of the 7% defects that Nissan has on its production line he asked where I got this information. I told him that his Nissan Finance manager at the dealership told me this, and because of this information I purchased the 5 year extended warranty package which includes 4 or 5 oil changes. Nissan has done the first oil change for me. I will bring the car to them for all my oil changes.
"The Technical Service Engineer" from Montreal told me that he would not be able to do anything about the following complaints: 1. the whining noise coming from the CVT(supposedly), 2. the Clunk, Clunk,Clunk, Clunk noise coming from the ABS brakes engaging every time I leave the curb, 3. the metal to metal clanging that I had on the ABS brakes when stopping on ice and 4. the very bad gas mileage I am experiencing, approximately 11.00 L/100 km. One half the gas mileage in their brochure.
According to the "Technical Service Engineer" from Montreal these noises are normal on the Nissan Versa. He told me that I should expect the Versa which is a small car to have different noises from larger cars, and that ABS brakes always make noise.
When I again told him that pedestrians are looking over at me when they hear all of the above three noises, this "engineer" looked at me like he did not believe me. He asked if I wanted to move to a larger model like the Altima or the Rogue. I told him that I had spent alot of time researching a variety of cars, & that he should check the Edmunds.com forum for CVT and engine problems on the Altima & Rogue models. What would be the point....?
As another individual has posted, - what can you expect when you put a rubber band in a transmission?......
"The Technical Service Engineer" from Montreal told me it was normal for the ABS brakes to make this metal to metal clanging noise. All these noises are normal to them.... Poor suckers are we who bought Nissan product.... I don't recommend the car to anyone, and I have now have no confidence in any of their products.
As far as my mileage which is 1/2 the posted value in the brochure, again he had a lame explanation that it is not Nissan that determines the gas mileage performance, and that it is difficult to reproduce every driver's driving conditions.
He had me do a test drive with him so that "he could see how I drove the car",.....?????? I have been driving for over 30 years, and I have had many cars both old and new, and both North American and Japanese cars.
I told him that had I purchased an old 2nd hand car for $500, I would not have the noises I have with this car.
He jumped on the opportunity to fix alot of rattling coming from the dash around the windshield. He said that this was something he could fix, and he was quite excited about it. I believe he added some felt around the air bags and/or some rubber insert in the dash to stop the rattling. These noises were more quiet for a couple of days. Rattling noises then returned.
The morning I gave the car to him was in January 2011, and we had just had another snow storm with ice. The driving conditions were horrible, and when applying the ABS brakes, the metal to metal clanging noise was really bad. He again told me that it is normal.
Overall I found their follow - up misleading and very lame. It is best to stay away from Nissan. Clearly they are producing inferior product, and they do not stand behind their product, even when customers have paid top dollar for their model plus another $1450 for extended warranty programs.
I am going to send another registered letter to Customer Service in Toronto, and I will probably copy Nissan in Japan.
My dealership is lame, and I would recommend that potential buyers stay away from any Nissan product. Check the Edmunds.com forums for other Nissan models such as the Altima, Rogue etc... you will find engine sludge and CVT problems on those as well. I guess there are lemons in all models. :lemon:
Looking at their latest products, the JUKE and the Leaf, -- I cannot feel inspired. They look exactly like their names imply one model is for jerks, and the other will be like a Leaf blowing in the wind. I am sure that it is just a plastic shell sitting on a rubber band transmission.
By the way what were your km when you had the sludge problem in your engine?
I began experiencing noises on my brand new Versa 1.8 L SL with CVT at 3289 km. Before that I had no noises. I took great care driving my brand new car. My Versa now has 7100 km on it, and I have the above noises with very poor mileage, and I also have all sorts of strange noises, some of which are grabbing the brake pedal whether or not I am applying the brakes.
The "Technical Service Engineer" was lame, he did not do anything for any of the above mechanical problems. :lemon: I told him that Nissan would have to take this car back, and he said that they cannot take it back, --- and that it would cost me money to get out of this car.
I told him it was already costing me money, and that Nissan should refund me all of my payments since the past year.
How can I possibly be happy with Nissan? Why can they not fix their lemons, - OR TAKE THEM BACK!!!!! IF THEY CAN'T FIX THEM!!!! :mad: :mad:
Just to add icing on the cake, I take very good care of my car in the winter, and I place newspapers down to absorb moisture from snow etc... I guess some technicians sat in the back to hear the noises when they did their test drives, and my car was given back to me with dirty car mats in the back. They did not even put any paper down to protect my new car mats in the back.
Even Canadian Tire places paper down on the floor mats when you bring your car in for service.
Down with Nissan... I find their service quite disgusting....
We were able to come up with enough receipts so it averaged out to an oil change every 4,000 miles. However, they noted two things:
1. because we drove the car a lot and it had high mileage on it (20,000 miles a year) they told us we were at fault because we should have changed it every 3,000 miles due to the high mileage we were putting on it.
2. we had the oil changed at numerous places...bad idea as I have come to find out. There is a good chance that these "cheap" oil change places use inferior oil and filters. We now take the car to Nissan to have the oil and filter changed.
I consider our situtation and the fact that they put in a new engine at their expense very fortunate. I would NEVER buy another Nissan product or recommend one.
Now, back to your actual issues. Vibrating brake pedal DOES sound like warped rotors (NOBODY makes rotors like they used to and warping is fairly common) My 2007 Versa front rotors warped at about the same mileage. I put up with it until my daugther was going to buy the car from me and we replaced them. She's careful not to ride the brake downhill and she's over 90,000 miles now with no warping yet (but give it time). Also, rotors that have been machined to unwarp them will warp faster the next time since they are now thinner.
If your Versa sounds like a diesel truck, I have a thought on that as well. A flange in front of my muffler rusted out in 2009. That's WAY early and I'm pretty sure that the ethanol in our gas made things worse. Ever notice the amount of water that comes out of tailpipes now? Water is a by-product of ethanol combustion and you can bet that it's a good and corrosive water that's inside our exhaust systems. You may have a hole in the exhaust somewhere, at least that would be my guess. Unless you mean an engine noise rather than an exhaust noise... the Versa certainly isn't as quiet as my Altima under the hood, and at those times that I get "rabbit ears" I can sometime imagine things don't sound right too. My 2011 Versa sounds the same way my 2007 does. Having no reason at this point to distrust what your dealer mechanics are saying, the deep breath/fresh listen theory might ease your mind. Chasing noises that other people can't hear can be hard on everyone.
On the subject of those regular services from the dealer... I've ALWAYS done those, and yes, the 50,000 K (30,000 mile) interval IS a "big" one price-wise. But with the life we've gotten out of our cars, (over 2 million miles on 9 Nissan vehicles combined since 1979 from the same dealer/service dept with ZERO major issues) I always looked at it as a good thing. Well, a couple of years ago, my dealership changed owners, same shop folks. I had two services done where oil changes got done, but it seemed that not enough oil was put in. No damage to the cars, but it made me lose a little trust. I have a friend who runs a local garage and I do oil changes every 3,500 - 4,000 miles and they check all the belts, fluids, lights, etc that Nissan had been checking and the oil change runs me $35 plus any charges for things that might need to be done like burned out bulbs, etc. We put a lot of miles on our cars and those services come around fairly quickly. I was doing 7,500 mile service intervals, so the services went small ($60-80), medium ($175- $250), small, big ($350+) over and over. So while I'm now doing 5 or 6 oil changes in that same time frame, at $35 each, I'm spending roughly $210 for the same services that were running $700 - $800.
Like I said, I'm not saying the dealer service is a rip off. (My vehicle history can attest to that) but you can do the same thing for a lot less with no loss of confidence in your car.
Hope this helps you out a bit! I know it's always nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of!
1. Does the oxygen sensor have any relation to the power sterring system?
2. Will a failed oxygen sensor cause the car not to start?
Frank 2009 Versa S sedan MT-6 with 22700 miles
Maybe not so minor as we suspect a leaking front strut.
Also mentioned the intermittent loud engine noise.
Respond was they do that, no remedy.
Has anyone had this problem.
Noise also getting worst as time goes by.
From the symptoms and related noise, I conclude there is a certain amount of piston slap in that engine.
Is it normal? I would not think so. Factories are equipped with all the technology today which eliminates most of human error.
May have to go to arbitration board on that one.
I thought I was going crazy. I just had my car towed yesterday for the same problem. This is a 2011 Versa purchased in December with only 7,200 miles. I was in city traffic going about 45 mph. I observed that each time I put on brakes, when I then tried to accelerate I had lost all power. I was able to coast to a parking lot. After putting it in park, I started the motor and it ran fine until I came to the next light - problem repeated itself. Third time I knew with rush hour traffic I could not risk my life driving this vechicle. It was towed to the dealer and this afternoon the service department at the dealership informed me they cannot reproduce the problem and haven't had such a problem in the past. I also spoke with Nissan central and they said they are unaware of such problems. The dealer will keep the car for a few more days and hopefully be able to reproduce it. I have the same fears as you and had I been in fast traffic or on the interstate, I shudder to think what could have happened to me. This was the first site I reviewed to see if others were having this problem. I will keep doing my research and pray the dealer is able to reproduce this. Mmmm - wonder if Nissan knows about this but don't want to acknowledge it?
They count on a good percentage of customers being ignorant in automotive matters; they have a good idea what they can pass on.
They would have quite a network in North America so getting statistics together is probably a challenge but also useful in determining their attitude.
I have noticed quite a turnover in staff at the dealer where I got my versa a year ago.
These cars have problems and are just a piece of junk!
Did you ever find out the problem. My 2007 Nissan Versa SL is having the same problem and it's pretty scary.
Any response would be greatly appreciated.
Best,
Major
I have had a number of problems with my 2010 Nissan Versa with CVT, - the response I get from the service guys at the dealership is that these noises and things which I consider problems due to poor quality and assembly are normal.
My Versa was made in Mexico. The Aquasalientes plant has production problems; however, it seems that Nissan wants to pass these problems onto their customers, and they just tell everyone that the noises are normal.
It has become a mantra with them, and they obviously do not care about repeat customers.
I will never buy a car from Nissan again, and I do jot recommend Nissan to anyone. Stay away from this manufacturer, - they do not know what they are doing.
Can you imagine what will happen with the Leaf? Another tin can even cheaper than the Versa lemons. :lemon:
I had the vehicle towed into the Nissan dealer and was told that I had a catastrophic drive belt failure and that the AC compressor was completely destroyed and that there was debris in all of the filters, and that they would have to be replaced as well. I was also told that the engine could have been quite easily destroyed if I hadn't come to a stop as quickly as I did. The vehicle has 50,000 miles on it, so there is no warranty coverage. Price to repair quoted at $1,175-.
I have a couple of questions:
1. Is this a common, or at least well-known, problem with the drive belt?
2. Is there a quality issue with the drive belt manufacturer?
2. Doesn't this seem like a serious design flaw that a high-wear part like this could fail and cause a complete loss of drivability and wreak so much damage in the engine compartment?
Thanks!
Instead of immediately paying, I would get a local TV consumer reporter to do a report and call Nissan directly -- this a problem even if they don't want to admit it
Not seeing your car, I cant say whether you would be covered or not.
What you described is not normal as far as I can tell.
Good luck!
They claim it's noisy injectors. Now Nissan is not promoting use of gas additives but int his case it makes sense to use. The vehicle was built in may and not sold till mid august. With todays fuel life in summer specially in Mexico I wonder about gumming and resulting sticking of components.
Will keep posted.
Naturally my host was waiting for us. We were late, and everyone was waiting for us.
The battery continued to die throughout the holidays, and finally in early January 2012, I brought it to my dealership.
They replaced the batter, and told me that I had to pay for a portion as the battery is not part of the drive train warranty, - even though I have paid an extra $1400 for the extended drive train package over 5 years.
This car is most irritating, and the mileage is now about 1/3 of what is listed on the brochure.
Even my service manager, has a Versa, and he admitted that his mileage is also the pits, and that there is nothing that the dealership can do.
I told him that the dealership should have Nissan repair these cars. Clearly Aquasalientes in Mexico is building cars that should stay in Mexico. These vehicles are not meant for heavy North American winters.
I am still having all of the other problems. Nissan's mantra is that these are normal. :lemon:
Monti
Managed to pry out of service manager that the injectors are noisy.
Enquired about cause but they treated as a mystery like poor gas, dirty injectors, temperature etc.
Since warmer weather, it has bee fine so suspect fuel temperature is the cause.
It has bee over 25c for the last two months.
Dealer still talks as they dont know!
They won't test the injectors either. Will see next winter.
I hope this helps. It took about 2 weeks for everything to get resolved because they need to breakdown the engine, take pictures, send them to their corporate office where a determination was made.
Let me know the outcome.
Windycitygal