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Just a quick note to everyone who may be considering a Santa Fe or competing model. I did extensive research on a new vehicle for the first time in my purchasing life. In everything I saw and read, from professional posts and reviews to consumer reviews (which I trust the most), the Santa Fe was not only comparable but superior to everything in its class. I have read everything concerning a tremor at 60 mph and I have to say that I have not yet noticed it in my vehicle and most of the driving I have done so far has been at around 60, if not faster. If you are considering something in this class of vehicle, I would suggest that you give the Santa Fe a serious look. Of course, you should drive the vehicle and do your own research and the decision will ultimately be yours, but for the money, I don't think you'll be able to beat the convenience, comfort, and downright fun of the Santa Fe.
I agree totally with your assessment of the Santa Fe. It's by far the most impressive vehicle I've driven.
Rick Adkins
The 4WD system on CR-V and RAV4 is called on-demand 4WD. They are not considered AWD SUVs.
CR-V is not full-time 4WD SUV since it doesn't have center differential and Honda doesn't call it full-time 4WD SUV.
Tribute's is not really full-time because it's not permanently-engaged type.
I was wrong on RAV4. Toyota web site says RAV4 4WD is full-time 4WD.
If you want to know how the 4WD in SF works, you should get a shop manual. You can order one from any Hyundai dealer parts dept.
From my understanding, a full-time 4WD system is any system that delivers power to one set of drive wheels (usually the front) and can transfer power to the other set of wheels (the rear) when there is a loss of traction and that this system is always "on" . . . hence the "full time" designation. However, this type of system does not provide power to both the front and rear wheels all the time. What any particular manufacturer calls the system is neither here nor there (full-time 4WD, RealTime 4WD, full-time AWD, etc.). If the system operation is always "on" then I would interpret that to mean "full-time" 4WD. Therefore, the CRV, Rav4, Sante Fe, and Tribute would all fit into the full-time category because the systems are always "on" and they only transfer power to the rear wheels when there is a loss of traction by the front wheels (although the Tribute has an electronic clutch system that can be used to manually engage the rear wheels for low speed conditions).
Am I missing something here? Is my understanding correct? I think that all the designations by the different manufacturers tend to cause a lot of confusion.
AWD interchangeably. I don't make the distinction and would rather focus on understanding each maker's drive system than bicker over definition.
Anyone can come up with his/her own definition or understanding of 4WD or AWD. There's no point arguing over it.
When I say full-time in 4-wheel drive, I mean the torque is distributed to both axles all the time.
I didn't mean to say both axles are always ready
to be powered by the engine manually or automatically.
opereation of on-demand 4WD system like the one in CR-V.
AWD SF doesn't have "centre viscous coupling."
The viscous-coupling unit is on the front axle, to the right of double-differential unit.
I uploaded a copy of SF 4WD system SFT Technical Description file in MS Word format to http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~chul so that you can verify what I said here.
"The four-wheel-drive system employs a viscous coupling between the front and rear differentials that transfers up to 40 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels whenever the fronts slip."
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/previews/2000/October/200010_preview_hyundai_sante_fe.xml
Every single review that I've read describes the AWD system this way.
I picked up my Nordic White LX AWD with ABS/Traction on Monday. Extras from the factory included floor mats and roof rack cross bars. I paid about $550.00 under MSRP. I purchased at Maxon Hyundai in Union, NJ. Salesman (Matthieu) and manager (Carlos) were great, no pressure, no hassle. It was in perfect working order.
The next day, I drove it 650 miles back to North Carolina. What a break in! I could not be more pleased with the vehicle. Not one problem encountered. No rattles or squeaks, no vibration around 60-65 as some have had on this forum. The tranny was flawless, the engine quiet, the leather seats very comfortable, especially for a 10 hour trip. Power was more than adequate on uphills (through the Blue Ridge Mountains) and when passing. I truly don't know why many of the reviewers complained about power. The stereo system is great. This will be the first of many vehicles I have owned, which I won't be replacing the stereo. All in all, no complaints. I should mention my last vehicle was a Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo. I do not feel like I traded down. The best I can calculate on mileage was 20 MPG, all highway driving.
I do have 2 questions for other owners. Any idea how many gallons are left in the tank when the low fuel light comes on? Also, for LX owners, do you have the stainless steel protective scuff plate on top of the rear bumper. The brochure shows that as a standard feature on the LX, but I don't have it.
This forum has been extremely helpful and convinced me the Santa Fe was the superior vehicle when compared to the Tribute, which I was going to purchase. Thanks to all and I'll keep posting updates.
Can anyone tell me what these two options are? Are they different or 2 versions of the same item? Also, are they dealer added or factory installed?
Thanks.
Its my first Hyundai (traded a Mazda MPV LX) , first awd/4wd and first vehicle that is newly onsale to consumers...
Note to a Anonymous from a previous post- I don't believe that the Santa Fe has out three years in Korea, but was first introduced there just earlier this year...
Also to the previous posts regarding 4wd/awd - from Caranddriver online:
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TECHNICAL HIGHLIGHT: HYUNDAI
The new Santa Fe gets a novel all-wheel-drive system designed by Austria's Steyr-Daimler-Puch. The front differential and the power takeoff are integrated into a compact system of two planetary gearsets that share a common stationary ring gear. The two sun gears are connected to the front-wheel half-shafts; engine torque spins one planet carrier while the other drives the rear power takeoff and viscous coupling. Slippage at either or both front wheels accelerates the power takeoff relative to the rear wheels, causing the viscous coupling to transfer torque rearward. Planetary gearing limits the amount of torque transferred rearward to 40 percent.
"
and also C+D online
" ...The four-wheel-drive system employs a viscous coupling between the front and rear differentials that transfers up to 40 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels whenever the fronts slip. There is no low range, but a limited-slip rear differential will be added midyear. It works quietly and efficiently with complete transparency.
"
Jeff
Needless to say, my LX 2WD V6 performed above and beyond my expectations... The only problems I had was when I backed out of my driveway and into about 1 foot of new snow... When I tried to go forward, I slid sideways a little; back toward my driveway (it is a small incline)... I then put the vehicle in reverse and backed into my neighbors driveway across the street (and into his 1' of snow) with NO problem... Putting the vehicle back in drive and I was easily on my way down the street through 1 foot of snow all the way...
On the way to work, I encountered, going the opposite way, 47 semi trucks who were stuck trying to get up an extremely steep incline... I had to go up a similar incline soon after and had ZERO problems... In fact my 2WD was passing everyone else with ease and no slippage...
I drove the 28 miles to work and encountered my second problem when I parked in about 1.25" of snow... The snow plow showed up about 10 minutes later to clear the lot and I had to move the vehicle.. Again I tried to go forward but just spun a little... I then backed up a little bit with no problem and then shifted into drive and drove out of the snow easily...
On the way home this afternoon, the roads were barely cleared and packed down with snow... Many cars were slipping and sliding... The Santa Fe again went above and beyond... I did not slip one time today!!!
So, this to me just reinforces my idea of not necessarily needing to spend the additional monies on a 4WD/AWD model... My front wheel drive LX was unbelievable... If I still had my Aerostar, I wouldn't have been able to get out of my driveway much less 28 miles to work and back..
Again I say, You CANNOT go wrong purchasing this vehicle!!!
MrTwix
On December 4, 2000 I reported that my Santa Fe LX had a thumping sound that was apparent every time I braked or took a curve, etc. Took the car to a Hyundai Service Center and they discovered that the "roll back bar" of the transmission was loose. They tightened it up within minutes and I am happy to report that my Santa Fe LX is driving like a charm (has around 600 miles) and I still think it was one of the best decisions I have made and what I paid for it was also a steal.
Hope everyone continues to have good luck with the Santa Fe. Now if Hyundai would get all over those dealers that are trying to scalp people, the whole experience for new buyers would be extraordinary.
By the way, the people in the Tampa Bay, Florida area would be wise to contact Courtesy Hyundai in Tampa and ask for a Patti Lansing. She can come up with some great deals. Tell her Nestor sent you.
Nestor
I got my pewter GLS AWD with ABS/Traction control option for $21,489. I live here in NJ and the sticker price was $22,089. It included the crossrail and carpeted floormat which I could have lived without but it was factory installed so I had to take it.
Like other people on this forum, I was dead set on getting the Tribute. That is until I've read the complaints from owners, and seeing it and driving it for myself. As luck would have it, the Mazda Dealer (Maxon) here in NJ also sells Hyundai, and I got my first look on the SantaFe. I was impressed at the value it offered for the price but since I haven't researched anything about it, and it being a Hyundai, I had my reservations. So when I got home, I checked out
this forum, read as much info I could find about the Santa Fe and compared it side by side with the Tribute. And it was a no brainer after that. I returned to the dealer the following week having the ideal price in my mind which is close to Edmunds TMV. I went to three dealers that day. The words of the sales manager on the first one was "I'm not going to give it $1 below sticker. It's either you go with the sticker price or more or you go to that door.". I'd give you one guess where I went. The next dealer was much better, they were offering a black GLS that was not on the lot, for 600 off the sticker. I really love it in pewter so I told them I'd get back to them if I can't find it anywhere. The third was was marking the price with upto $1500 - $2K Adjusted Market Value. I didn't bother to talk to the sales people there.
Then I started shopping thru the internet, I contacted dealers thru their website, e-mailed them and talked to them thru the phone. I found a dealer, about an hour a half drive from my place
that has my Santa Fe, right color and options. It's Colonial Hyundai in Trenton, the guy was Jimmy. We agreed on the price over the phone, it was a hassle and haggle free experience for me. He even helped me with my insurance. The day I picked it up was his day off but he came in for a few hours just to meet me there and finish the deal. Thanks for a great service Jimmy.
So here I am, a happy man with the car I like. It's got 1000 miles on it, averaging 21MPG combined city and highway driving. Ride is smooth, looks are great, sufficient power and generous cargo room. All my friends who've seen are impressed and they can't believe how much I'm paying for it. I've had two other drivers who blew their horns on me to get my attention to ask how much and how good it is.
The light went green so I just shouted out the price and gave them a two thumbs up sign.
It seems like this vehicle has caught on in a big way. I am in Dallas and out of 6 dealerships, there are only about 6 LX out there. I was at my 4th dealership when I found what I wanted (Nordic White). I did pay MSRP of 21,194. All things considered, think it is still an excellent value. I am assuming that the "market adjustment" beast is lurking around the corner in this market, so am OK with sticker.
Thanks to everyone for all the feed back on this board, it really helped with my decision to buy the Santa Fe I'll report back after driving mine for a couple of weeks.
Thanks for all your input!
Rick Adkins
Very pleased with the dealer so far (White Bear Lake Superstore in White Bear Lake, MN). Our salesman Brian D. was extremely patient with us (we've been coming in for 5 months!) and gave us a fair deal. More importantly, we we did not feel like we needed to bathe after dealing (which has been my previous experience with car dealers). So far we are DELIGHTED with this truck! 700 miles so far and we'll be taking it across country in the next few weeks.
By the way, I'm just over 6'4" and not of a wimpy build and I'm perfectly comfortable in this vehicle. Even with the moonroof I can wear a baseball cap. I don't like sitting too close to the steering wheel but this seems to be a perfect fit for me.
I'm Truly Amazed! Driving IS believing!
I worked with Henry (can't remember his last name, but ask for him) Like I said, wasn't able to get any off sticker, but at least they don't add in any advertising fee or other "dealer installed" forced options.
Drove mine all day today.... it has a GREAT ride. No problems with "soft" felling breaks and not vibration at 55-65.....Had 3 people stop me an ask me all about the car...it really is a head turner.
Good luck!
Just got our manta be GAS FAD tonight. It appears to be a great SUB and does well in the snow. Has anyone bought the Mud Guards yet? With the anti skid material being put on the road, I was still hoping to have paint on the body when I got home. Also, I notice that the accessories catalog has a optional wood grain add on that look great in the catalog but wondering how it look installed. All comments are welcome. Thanks
Just got our Santa Fe GLS FWD tonight. It appears to be a great SUV and does well
in the snow. Has anyone bought the Mud Guards yet? With the anti skid material
being put on the road, I was still hoping to have paint on the body when I got home.
Also, I notice that the accessories catalog has a optional wood grain add on that look
great in the catalog but wondering how it look installed. All comments are welcome.
Thanks
Thanks again!
Rick Adkins