I agree completely. My big question is how much does our big oil companies get for exploration and production in these foreign countries? We know at $60 per barrel there is money for everyone in the business. If it costs the Saudi's about $4 to get it to us. What does ARAMCO get per barrel for production? With Mexico and Canada it is going into the government treasuries. From there who knows?
Filled in Yuma AZ ARCO $2.86 per gallon Phoenix ZONE gas $2.89 per gallon got 19.93 MPG from Yuma. Mostly 75 MPH in the GMC PU. It was 108 degrees most of the way. Climate control in truck set at 75 degrees.
I know here we had first hit the +$3.00 mark end-July 2005, pre-Katrina. Then prices settled back down from September 2005 until around May of 2006, prices rose every week and we hit the $3.00 mark first week in July and rode that wave mid-September. This year we hit the $3.00 mark first week of May and got to the magic $4.00 right before Memorial Day.
The independents aren't making any $$$ but the company-owned stations, since tied directly to the companies, are making a killing. That's what you don't read about. But there were some indies that had their prices raised high, with the idea of getting back at the fuel companies because of the low margins and high-dollar leases. I believe the articles stated that the stations were in California.
Back on topic, fuel prices by work are "down" to $3.09 ~ $3.11 range and these are the Shell and BP. The always higher Speedway is running at $3.25 for 87 octane.
Drove Phoenix to Albuquerque on one tank. Gas outside of Phoenix was $3.15 including Interstate 40 into Albuquerque. Filled at Costco. 419 miles 18.60 MPG. Rarely drove under 75 MPH on the back highways or I40. I am sure without the hill climbs the first 175 miles I would have topped 20 MPG.
Yes, it is a great price (compared to a lot of other areas). It seems that the people in So. Jersey (the SMOKERS,that is!) go to Delaware for their cigarettes and the Delaware people come to So. Jersey for their gas.
Gas prices had hit $2.75 roughly at the lower priced areas around the metro.
Now they've started back up in anticiation of the fillups for travel over a long, double 4th of July travel week. Who says the gas companies don't have people to plan the price moves. Soon we'll hear news stories about refinery that's gone offline because of a valve that's turned the wrong way, hurricanes, oil prices, etc., from the fax machines sending the pr items to the media newsreaders.
The WSJ is saying that it's the lack of refinery capacity and delayed maintenance that's going to cause the upcoming retail price increase.
The oil companies are also blaming a shortage of skilled labor and "others think capacity-utilization rates will be lower than in the past as refiners produce more specialized fuels." Ultralow-sulfur diesel for example.
Just finished a 2000 mile loop of the Southwestern US. These are the lowest prices observed and paid. Cheapest gas Phoenix, AZ $2.89 Unleaded. Albuquerque Costco $3.04. Cortez, CO Shell $3.17. Page, AZ Mustang $3.12, Barstow, CA Shell $3.29.
Overall gas mileage in the GMC hybrid PU truck 19.56 MPG. High tank from Cortez Colorado to Page Arizona 21.79 MPG. Low mileage was while in Albuquerque 17.57 MPG, 161 miles city driving.
Just filled the wife's car with Premium $3.15 at Costco. Most of the stations in my area are still at $2.93 for over 2 weeks now. I expected them to head up today for the holiday week. Last year this time they went from $2.99 up to $3.15 for the 4th of July. So we are slightly below last years high.
I've seen was $3.03 ($2.99 with car-wash at the Sonic). Mid-grade was $3.13 and premium $3.23
There are still some places selling petrol @ $3.15 for 87. I figuring on a price increase Monday, Tuesday the latest due to 4th and the barrel price jump yesterday.
The only problem is no one wants to build new refineries with all the talk of alternative fuels. I'm still not convince refinery capacity is the problem. They successfully have gotten the American public to "accept" higher gas prices. The only positive thing about the higher gas prices is the only people buying pickups and the big SUVs are the folks who really need these vehicles. NOt the suburban dad who gets a load of mulch once a year.
87 octane in Salisbury, Md., hub city of the Delmarva Peninsula, the state of Delaware, the Eastern Shore of Maryland and the Eastern Shore of Virginia.
Where I live gasoline went down another 2 cents this weekend to $2.78. I don't understand this. I thought that the people capable of fixing gas prices use holidays as an excuse to "gouge" us. Someone really dropped the ball on this one.
Local gas prices are now 32 cents less than in mid-May. Again, why have the price fixers allowed this to happen? I'm sure the conspiracy theorists can come up with some plausible explanation of how this is all part of the master plan.
I did expect the price to jump a bit for the Holiday week. We are holding here in San Diego at $2.93. Since returning from our 2000 mile trip my mileage has dropped significantly. There is something in this CA designer gas that does not yield as good a mileage. From the tank I bought in Yuma, AZ to the last one in Page, AZ I averaged about 2-3 MPG better. My city driving in Albuquerque yielded 17.6 MPG. The best I ever get in San Diego city driving is 15.4 MPG. That was using Costco gas in NM and in CA. Best tank was in Colorado at 21.79 MPG. And it was 86 octane Shell. The best highway mileage on CA gas was 18.83 MPG last year.
Dayton $2.61-2.69 in lower area. $2.89 -3.03 in rest of area. The station prices are intermixed. Some have gotten the fax; others haven't.
I thought since the Springfield (which has lower prices often) low prices had spread westward into the northern suburbs that prices might stay lower for the upcoming holiday. However with some stations having gone up to $2.89 I am expecting the group to raise prices up til Wednesday.
Like I have said before, since the price of fuel back east has dropped back down to under $3.00 a gallon nobody in the White House seems to be concerned anymore about the price at the pump. I guess we really aren’t a United States. At least it seems that way to most of us here in California when it comes to the price at the pump, etc. It’s obvious that we are divided by the large difference we pay. We are still being pumped out of quit a lot of our hard earned money here in California while the eastern states don’t feel a thing.
One problem I've recently became aware of here in my district is: Since Congressman Thomas has retired his appointee Kevin McCarthy still has not been recognized as our new Congressman. So this might be why we are still paying such a ridiculous high price at the pump, we do not have a Congressman to represent us at the White House. I'm not saying that Mr. McCarthy isn't there, because he is, he's just not getting the recognition as our Congressman. I don't know why, I thought that when Congressman Thomas retired and we voted last Nov. 2006 that Kevin McCarthy became our new Congressman for this district. I've been informed of my mistake and was told that it is in progress for Mr. McCarthy to take over as our new Congressman. If this tells you anything, it should tell you how slow our government works.
In your area you might be slightly below last years price, but I'll bet you 10 to 1 that if you go back two years the price you paid is quit a bit above last years and even more if you go back just three years. If this trend continues as it has for two years now we will be paying so much at the pump that nobody will be able to afford it.
It's only been since last year/2006 that the oil companies have been charging us over $3.00 a gallon. We as Citizens should continue to complain and do what ever we can individually or collectively to get the Oil Company to stop charging over $2.00 a gallon like it was in the not so distant future.
In January 2006 I paid $2.56 a gallon here in So. Calif. Prior to Jan. 2006 the price for a gallon of fuel has always been under $2.00 a gallon. This year in Jan 2007 at the same station the price is $2.57 a gallon. The price never came back down to where it was. So there's not that much a difference in the past year.
It was in April 2006 that the price hit $3.00 a gallon here and continued upward. Again this year, a month earlier, in March 2007 the price again hit $3.00 a gallon and continued upwards to $3.80 per gallon.
The price again went up and did not come back down to the previous amount. So the past 2 years the price for a gallon a fuel has risen over a $1.50 a gallon and only slightly dropped off.
Can any of you say that you’re not concerned?
If you were getting gas for under $2 in 2005 you were doing better than San Diego. I paid at the cheapest place in June of 2005 $2.39. After Katrina it went up to $2.83 and by December 2005 it was back down to $2.23. So right now 7/2/07 we are at $2.93 which is 70 cents higher than the cheapest price I paid in 2005. You can thank our friends in the Midwest for pushing through the ethanol mandate. We are now paying more for gas because of the ethanol content we are buying and trucking to CA. Plus the higher price for corn has driven our food prices higher. This is the price you pay to live in our wonderful State.
PS Your Congressman can do nothing to change the price at the pumps.
our tanks and propel our little motorcars somehow down the road on...ummm...corn?
I mean, if we're gonna entertain Mc-y-D's fry grease for fuel let's keep thinking...just remember, you and/or I will never, ever again pay less than $2.00/gal for 87 no-lead.
The post above from johnny4016 ticks the tack right on and has a good grip on what's happening. Up a lot, down a bit, then while we're sleeping with those prices...whoop! Time to tick-tack another 75 cents to the gallon.
I remember going to tech-school in downtown Seattle in 1979, the year my beloved Supersonics were really super and won the NBA title, paying 99 cents a gallon for regular...regular unleaded? Or just regular-regular?
Must've been 99 cents for 87 no-lead, but my memory is escaping me. When did we convert to unleaded ghastly? Mid 70's?
I remember going to tech-school in downtown Seattle in 1979, the year my beloved Supersonics were really super and won the NBA title, paying 99 cents a gallon for regular
99 cents in 1979 and up to $3.00 28 years later. Doesn't sound so bad to me. Home prices have gone up more than that during the same period and that eats up a bigger chunk of your budget than gas. Add to that vehicles are more efficient than they were in 1979 and what we spend for gas becomes even less significant.
A couple months ago gas prices were creeping up even though the price of oil was steady or maybe even declining slightly. It's funny because so many people saw this as clear evidence of some sort of conspiracy. Have these same people noticed that oil prices have been heading up over the last couple weeks yet gasoline prices have not followed suit. I'm sure they eventually will but why are the price manipulators waiting since they apparently are capable of using even the hint of bad news to immediately jack up the price.
We have some stations below you, some same price, some higher.
By me (home / work) the pricing is running $3.02 at the low end to $3.19 at the high for 87 octane. There are three stations on my commute that have petrol for under $3, but only if you get a wash AND buy 10 gals.
Close to Chi the price compares with your prices, running in the $3.25 range.
In Chi, especially downtown, the prices are higher than yours. Add in the fact "The Taste of Chicago" is going on, and you get the idea.
And now that the refineries are increasing output (but still below previous levels b4 the maintenance issues) the barrel price has increased right on time. I'm expecting petrol prices to start climbing back up. :sick:
Don't "thank" everyone in the Midwest for pushing the mandate through.
Some of us actually did the due diligence and realized ethanol isn't the end-all solution (a temporary stop-gap at best) and that it will cause food stocks to go up. And I won't even go into the thoughts of if the crops fail due not enough rain, too much rain... I've seen the food price increases somewhat the last time I shopped. It's only going to get worse unfortunately.
But aren't the boutique fuels hurting you as well?
>Don't "thank" everyone in the Midwest for pushing the mandate through.
Don't thank the people of Midwest - I am one. Thank the companies who will (have) benefit and their lobbiest. Washington folk don't listen to us nondonors. You might start with ADM. There are many businesses in the production as well as the processing area who wanted the legislation.
I know many of the folks in the Midwest will be impacted in many other ways by the ethanol push. It is the politicians, mega-ag corps and ethanol producers that are making the killing. I expect the little guy in the Midwest to get shafted when it all shifts to some other grand scheme.
The CA boutique fuels are not good for fuel efficiency. I did not realize it until my trip through AZ, NM & CO. I consistently got 2-3 MPG better on the gas starting with ARCO in Yuma. All my driving was in 95+ degree weather full AC going keeping us at a cool 75 in the cab. Lowest out of CA tank was 17.6 MPG while driving in the city of Albuquerque. I have never gotten that good in San Diego city driving. Not sure what all CA puts in or takes out.
Totally agree. Again, it seems this is a band-wagon type of effort.
OK, let's do the electric car thing-
Wait, naw, that ethanol-fuel is nice and shiny now, and we can make it from corn -
Hybrid them suckers and DOD'em-
No, no wait, electric is cool again.
It just seems no one that can is taking this seriously, just looking for the quick-fix instead of real solutions to real problems. Kind of like, let the next ones fix it, as long as I get mine who cares about the rest.
If someone would start a lawsuit against the state of CA for whatever they do to our gas that yields lower MPG, I would join in. I believe I could prove that CA gas has less energy per gallon than the gas you buy in AZ, NM & CO. Most of which is lower octane regular. I am getting on average 12% lower mileage with our so called designer gas here. Which means, when I am paying the current price of $2.93 per gallon, the people in AZ could be paying $3.29 and still get more bang for their petro dollar. For Californians to be equal to Phoenix price of $2.86 per gallon we should only be paying $2.49 per gallon. Just another rip-off for living in our great state. That was not the case with diesel. I could not tell any difference in mileage with the two diesel vehicles I owned. In fact the ARCO ULSD was slightly better than some of the diesel we got in TX.
I think the addition of ethanol is probably a bigger loss of energy than gas expansion. If you are worried about it, buy early in the morning while the ground is cool.
Probably it is more of a hungry attorney drumming up business.
"the temperature of gasoline might mean that you are getting less gas than you are paying for. Apparently, the volume of gas changes as it rises above 60 degrees F (the temp at which American pumps are set for)."
"jet pilots always calculate their fuel requirements in pounds and must convert to gallons when ordering the fuel. When ordering a large amount, temperature is factored in when doing this conversion. A gallon of jet fuel at room temp weighs about 6.7 lbs/gal. Reduce the temperature and the weight will increase to 6.8 lbs/gal."
"Ours were higher then they were last week but not two weeks ago."
I think that overall, the trend has been almost exclusively downward over the last month. A check at gasbuddy.com for the US national average shows the price at about $3.12 on 6/5, $3.03 on 6/12, $3.00 on 6/19, $2.99 on 6/26 and $2.96 on 7/3.
Frankly, I don't see the big "gouge" some folks were predicting for the holiday.
I also note that the price of crude has climbed over that same period of time from around $65/bbl to around $71/bbl, yet gas prices at the pump have fallen.
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$3.31 midgrade
$3.33 hi-test
$2.95 diesel (last I saw a price for diesel it was $2.99)
$2.95 at ARCO
Phoenix ZONE gas $2.89 per gallon got 19.93 MPG from Yuma. Mostly 75 MPH in the GMC PU. It was 108 degrees most of the way. Climate control in truck set at 75 degrees.
The independents aren't making any $$$ but the company-owned stations, since tied directly to the companies, are making a killing. That's what you don't read about. But there were some indies that had their prices raised high, with the idea of getting back at the fuel companies because of the low margins and high-dollar leases. I believe the articles stated that the stations were in California.
Back on topic, fuel prices by work are "down" to $3.09 ~ $3.11 range and these are the Shell and BP. The always higher Speedway is running at $3.25 for 87 octane.
Great price in New Jersey. $2.799 for 87 octane in Salisbury, Md., on the Delmarva Peninsula.
Now they've started back up in anticiation of the fillups for travel over a long, double 4th of July travel week. Who says the gas companies don't have people to plan the price moves. Soon we'll hear news stories about refinery that's gone offline because of a valve that's turned the wrong way, hurricanes, oil prices, etc., from the fax machines sending the pr items to the media newsreaders.
$2.89 to $3.05
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The oil companies are also blaming a shortage of skilled labor and "others think capacity-utilization rates will be lower than in the past as refiners produce more specialized fuels." Ultralow-sulfur diesel for example.
Still $3.19 for regular here.
Government's to blame for that during the last 50 years.
It's time for the Congress to mandate refineries be built on an expedited schedule.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Overall gas mileage in the GMC hybrid PU truck 19.56 MPG. High tank from Cortez Colorado to Page Arizona 21.79 MPG. Low mileage was while in Albuquerque 17.57 MPG, 161 miles city driving.
87 - $2.999
89 - $3.239
93 - $3.319
diesel - $2.999
This place has the luxury of being located at an interstate off-ramp, without another station for almost a 2-mile radius.
kcram - Pickups Host
So most stations today are:
$3.15
$3.27
$3.27
The Maverick gas club station was posting $3.12 for regular.
There are still some places selling petrol @ $3.15 for 87. I figuring on a price increase Monday, Tuesday the latest due to 4th and the barrel price jump yesterday.
Local gas prices are now 32 cents less than in mid-May. Again, why have the price fixers allowed this to happen? I'm sure the conspiracy theorists can come up with some plausible explanation of how this is all part of the master plan.
$2.61-2.69 in lower area. $2.89 -3.03 in rest of area. The station prices are intermixed. Some have gotten the fax; others haven't.
I thought since the Springfield (which has lower prices often) low prices had spread westward into the northern suburbs that prices might stay lower for the upcoming holiday. However with some stations having gone up to $2.89 I am expecting the group to raise prices up til Wednesday.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Sunoco at Rhawn and Verree shows Regular at $2.81, Silver at $2.91, and "ultra?"93 at $3.01.
89 Octane $3.39
91 Octane $3.49
Like I have said before, since the price of fuel back east has dropped back down to under $3.00 a gallon nobody in the White House seems to be concerned anymore about the price at the pump. I guess we really aren’t a United States. At least it seems that way to most of us here in California when it comes to the price at the pump, etc. It’s obvious that we are divided by the large difference we pay. We are still being pumped out of quit a lot of our hard earned money here in California while the eastern states don’t feel a thing.
One problem I've recently became aware of here in my district is: Since Congressman Thomas has retired his appointee Kevin McCarthy still has not been recognized as our new Congressman. So this might be why we are still paying such a ridiculous high price at the pump, we do not have a Congressman to represent us at the White House. I'm not saying that Mr. McCarthy isn't there, because he is, he's just not getting the recognition as our Congressman. I don't know why, I thought that when Congressman Thomas retired and we voted last Nov. 2006 that Kevin McCarthy became our new Congressman for this district. I've been informed of my mistake and was told that it is in progress for Mr. McCarthy to take over as our new Congressman. If this tells you anything, it should tell you how slow our government works.
Pissed off at the pump and for being pumped.
E.M.S.
:mad:
It's only been since last year/2006 that the oil companies have been charging us over $3.00 a gallon. We as Citizens should continue to complain and do what ever we can individually or collectively to get the Oil Company to stop charging over $2.00 a gallon like it was in the not so distant future.
In January 2006 I paid $2.56 a gallon here in So. Calif. Prior to Jan. 2006 the price for a gallon of fuel has always been under $2.00 a gallon. This year in Jan 2007 at the same station the price is $2.57 a gallon. The price never came back down to where it was. So there's not that much a difference in the past year.
It was in April 2006 that the price hit $3.00 a gallon here and continued upward. Again this year, a month earlier, in March 2007 the price again hit $3.00 a gallon and continued upwards to $3.80 per gallon.
The price again went up and did not come back down to the previous amount. So the past 2 years the price for a gallon a fuel has risen over a $1.50 a gallon and only slightly dropped off.
Can any of you say that you’re not concerned?
E.M.S.
PS
Your Congressman can do nothing to change the price at the pumps.
I mean, if we're gonna entertain Mc-y-D's fry grease for fuel let's keep thinking...just remember, you and/or I will never, ever again pay less than $2.00/gal for 87 no-lead.
The post above from johnny4016 ticks the tack right on and has a good grip on what's happening. Up a lot, down a bit, then while we're sleeping with those prices...whoop!
Time to tick-tack another 75 cents to the gallon.
I remember going to tech-school in downtown Seattle in 1979, the year my beloved Supersonics were really super and won the NBA title, paying 99 cents a gallon for regular...regular unleaded? Or just regular-regular?
Must've been 99 cents for 87 no-lead, but my memory is escaping me. When did we convert to unleaded ghastly? Mid 70's?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
99 cents in 1979 and up to $3.00 28 years later. Doesn't sound so bad to me. Home prices have gone up more than that during the same period and that eats up a bigger chunk of your budget than gas. Add to that vehicles are more efficient than they were in 1979 and what we spend for gas becomes even less significant.
A couple months ago gas prices were creeping up even though the price of oil was steady or maybe even declining slightly. It's funny because so many people saw this as clear evidence of some sort of conspiracy. Have these same people noticed that oil prices have been heading up over the last couple weeks yet gasoline prices have not followed suit. I'm sure they eventually will but why are the price manipulators waiting since they apparently are capable of using even the hint of bad news to immediately jack up the price.
We have some stations below you, some same price, some higher.
By me (home / work) the pricing is running $3.02 at the low end to $3.19 at the high for 87 octane. There are three stations on my commute that have petrol for under $3, but only if you get a wash AND buy 10 gals.
Close to Chi the price compares with your prices, running in the $3.25 range.
In Chi, especially downtown, the prices are higher than yours. Add in the fact "The Taste of Chicago" is going on, and you get the idea.
And now that the refineries are increasing output (but still below previous levels b4 the maintenance issues) the barrel price has increased right on time. I'm expecting petrol prices to start climbing back up. :sick:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Some of us actually did the due diligence and realized ethanol isn't the end-all solution (a temporary stop-gap at best) and that it will cause food stocks to go up. And I won't even go into the thoughts of if the crops fail due not enough rain, too much rain... I've seen the food price increases somewhat the last time I shopped. It's only going to get worse unfortunately.
But aren't the boutique fuels hurting you as well?
Don't thank the people of Midwest - I am one. Thank the companies who will (have) benefit and their lobbiest. Washington folk don't listen to us nondonors. You might start with ADM. There are many businesses in the production as well as the processing area who wanted the legislation.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Lowest in Abilene was Sams Club at $2.849.
The CA boutique fuels are not good for fuel efficiency. I did not realize it until my trip through AZ, NM & CO. I consistently got 2-3 MPG better on the gas starting with ARCO in Yuma. All my driving was in 95+ degree weather full AC going keeping us at a cool 75 in the cab. Lowest out of CA tank was 17.6 MPG while driving in the city of Albuquerque. I have never gotten that good in San Diego city driving. Not sure what all CA puts in or takes out.
OK, let's do the electric car thing-
Wait, naw, that ethanol-fuel is nice and shiny now, and we can make it from corn -
Hybrid them suckers and DOD'em-
No, no wait, electric is cool again.
It just seems no one that can is taking this seriously, just looking for the quick-fix instead of real solutions to real problems. Kind of like, let the next ones fix it, as long as I get mine who cares about the rest.
Since gasoline is stored in underground tanks at service stations, the question becomes what temperature is the fuel in those tanks UNDERGROUND.
Anyone have any idea how much annual variation in temperatures one might see in ground temps (at 6'-8' depth) at a particular location?
Personally, I think this lawsuit is much ado over very little...
Probably it is more of a hungry attorney drumming up business.
Lowest in a while.....
Follow up -- "Hot" gas study
"jet pilots always calculate their fuel requirements in pounds and must convert to gallons when ordering the fuel. When ordering a large amount, temperature is factored in when doing this conversion. A gallon of jet fuel at room temp weighs about 6.7 lbs/gal. Reduce the temperature and the weight will increase to 6.8 lbs/gal."
Question of the Day - Is Cold Gas Denser? Part 2
'Hot" fuel costs consumers billions each year
This member's post says there's little meaningful difference:
mort4371, "Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG" #185, 11 Jun 2007 6:43 am
I just got back home after a 2 week vacation and locally prices were lower on Tuesday, yesterday, and today than they were 2 weeks ago.
Were ANYONE'S prices higher over the 4th than they were 2 weeks ago?
Prices dropped a whole lot last week then climbed some sunday through tuesday.
I think that overall, the trend has been almost exclusively downward over the last month. A check at gasbuddy.com for the US national average shows the price at about $3.12 on 6/5, $3.03 on 6/12, $3.00 on 6/19, $2.99 on 6/26 and $2.96 on 7/3.
Frankly, I don't see the big "gouge" some folks were predicting for the holiday.
I also note that the price of crude has climbed over that same period of time from around $65/bbl to around $71/bbl, yet gas prices at the pump have fallen.