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This is just how I see it. Perhaps ya'll feel different ???? I'm not trying to be political, but I personally can't imagine paying $4-5 dollars a gallon. :mad: I do feel it's coming unfortunately. :sick:
Rocky
I credit the mediocre quality of craftsmanship in the Big 3 for their deserved demise.
It is not within the federals duty to control international industries i.e. Healthcare, Rx, Insurance, & the energy producing firms. Competition is alive and well for being the best control over prices. Compare the cost of housing to gasoline and gasoline is still a buy at $5 a gallon. Where is your clamor for controling the prices of used homes?
As for tax cuts - the wealthy get more in cuts because they have paid more. (I've never understood the fairness of taxing a wealthy, risk taking individual in business for himself to the extent it amounts to punishing him for being hard working and successful.)
I predict upon the completion of Globalization the average worker in this country will have a lower standard of living while the average worker in the depressed countries will have a higher standard of living.
What to do? Stop relying on the standard High School diploma with the history of being lettered in all sports.
Folks in the depressed countries who rely on higher education will be the winners and you should do no less.
Graduate with a meaningful degree like EE, Rx, Accounting, Medicine, rather than fluff courses like History, Home Ec, and Athletic Management. Practice delayed gratification by obtaining advanced degrees before marriage, babies, new cars, and mortages. There will be plenty of time for that.
Lastly, learn to take personal responsibility for your situation, not blaming a President for your status. :mad:
I credit the mediocre quality of craftsmanship in the Big 3 for their deserved demise.
#1 Currency Manipulation by the Japanese, #2 Allowing foreign firms to have free taxes for "X" number of years to set up buisness here in the U.S.A. The Japanese and their exploitation on the U.S. economy have created alot of jobs. However they aren't replacing the thousands that have been lost. China has done more damage to this country than I days left in my life to explain in detail. We are fools to believe globalization is good for america.
It is not within the federals duty to control international industries i.e. Healthcare, Rx, Insurance, & the energy producing firms. Competition is alive and well for being the best control over prices. Compare the cost of housing to gasoline and gasoline is still a buy at $5 a gallon. Where is your clamor for controling the prices of used homes?
Yes the federal government could put caps on costs to control these out of control buisness's. competition is not alive and well. Pooling of the large firms might be alive and well and if you can't see that then your a blinde man. :confuse: I agree home prices are ridiculous and these scams like interest only loans is what is contributing to the destruction of the United States.
As for tax cuts - the wealthy get more in cuts because they have paid more. (I've never understood the fairness of taxing a wealthy, risk taking individual in business for himself to the extent it amounts to punishing him for being hard working and successful.)
What ? :mad: You are crazy !!!!! The wealthy pay more as a whole, but not as a precentage. The wealthy only pay around 10% percent of theire total income in taxes if they are smart. My millionaire relatives all say they can hide all but 10% from the government. Bush also has opened more loopholes for the rich. His Reaganomics and the
"trickel down theory" are back for the 2000's and the rich get richer and the middle get's trailers. Well many have basically. :mad:
I predict upon the completion of Globalization the average worker in this country will have a lower standard of living while the average worker in the depressed countries will have a higher standard of living.
OMG WE AGREE !!!!!!!
What to do? Stop relying on the standard High School diploma with the history of being lettered in all sports.
Folks in the depressed countries who rely on higher education will be the winners and you should do no less.
Well that's a great republican answer. Education, Education, Education Education, but let's further cut no child left behind. Lip Service with no back bone. He also cut pell grants. The question is can the republicans run on education again after all their cuts ???? Is the american people still dumb and naive enough ?
Graduate with a meaningful degree like EE, Rx, Accounting, Medicine, rather than fluff courses like History, Home Ec, and Athletic Management.
The advanced degrees means nothing if a transplant on a
H-1V-Visa is going to steal your job away. Hell you will work for so little, how are you going to pay back your $100,000-$200,000 college loans and still put $10 dollar a gallon petro in your gas tank ????
The gap between Highschool graduates and College Degreed has shrunk over the last couple of years. Did you know that ? Your education theory is backed by hawg wash that this administration and congress spews. :mad:
Practice delayed gratification by obtaining advanced degrees before marriage, babies, new cars, and mortages. There will be plenty of time for that.
We agree on most of that.
Lastly, learn to take personal responsibility for your situation, not blaming a President for your status.
My situation is okay. I have it better than most.
I just don't like the current situations that my fellow americans face each day. I hope Tricky Dick and George Dubya get releaved, ummmmmm(impeached) and they can go Quail Hunting somewhere in East Texas, and leave my kids future alone, along with many other americans that they've sold out to. :mad:
Rocky
Remember that fellow Al Gore. He wrote a book, Earth in the Balance. In there he stated the only way to get Americans out of their automobiles was to raise taxes on gas to $5 per gallon. Looks like he is getting his wish without ever being President.
You need to read the book "Do As I Say (Not As I Do)"
by Peter Schweizer
You will see where the leaders you seem to think are good, stash their money to get out of paying taxes. I can tell you as a middle class taxpayer I paid my share and then some.
BTW- Al being to "green" scared folks
Rocky
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
You must be too young to remember how well price controls worked when Nixon inacted them. It was a disaster.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Let's not spin off into politics here please. I KNOW that at times we're going to touch on a lot of related issues, but try to remember thatthis is an automotive forum.
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A couple of CNN Money articles with suggestions that the spike in crude prices has been partially created by bankers/transactioneers looking for high returns, plus a quote from an OPEC delegate saying the increases are completely unrelated to supply and demand. Or, as one senator puts it, created by "An orgy of speculation."
When CNN Money strays from its strident pro-big business party line like this, you have to wonder. Maybe a little more high-profile backlash will convince big oil to give up some profit this summer.
P.S. $2.65 for 87 at an Exxon on Rte 4 in Fort Lee, NJ, yesterday.
That should do me for about 3 weeks.
Jason Vines of DCX blasting Big Oil? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Doesn't he work for the same company that drops Viper engines into Ram pickups? And builds SRT-8 300s, Chargers, and Grand Cherokees?
Geeze, I'll be 41 next month. I am still single and have no children.
Delayed mortgage? Good God, it's a good thing I didn't delay the mortgage with today's psychotic home prices. I got in before everything went insane. I probably couldn't even afford my own modest home at today's ridiculous prices.
I guess we can all buy homes, get married, and have children in our 40s right about the time our corporate masters are ready to axe us in favor of some young fresh college puke who will work for peanuts and few, if any, benefits.
Does Gillette make guillotine blades? I'm sure their stock will shoot way up if they do in the near future.
Don't feel bad. There are many folk around here and in the good ol’ USA that believe that globalization, outsourcing, obscene profits and corporate greed are just fine and dandy.
The more the better.
I say hang’em high on the light pole.
I am getting the hell out of PA, because I don’t feel like paying the stupid PA tax and the even more stupid property tax which is almost 5K/year.
So long Ed, you will never see my dollars again. To hell with the NE, it is just getting too expensive to live here. Too many self indulgent wieners, with too much bloody money.
With the real estate going through the roof, coupled with the rising interest rates (courtesy of the stupid Fed) and the rising oil prices, it is easy to see where we’re headed as a country. Wake up you guys, call your representatives and tell them that this has gone far enough! These prices will drive the country into recession and the outsourcing will be even more of a problem.
oh' well. Maybe next time.
I wonder what we'll do with all of those unemployed people with advanced degrees? I guess Wal-Mart can brag that it has the best-educated workforce! "Hi, I'm Bruce! I'm a Wal-Mart greeter and an electrical engineer!" "Hi, I'm Myron! I'm a Wal-Mart stock boy and a systems analyst!" "Hi, I'm Tyrone! I'm a Wal-Mart truck loader and a physicist! "Hi, I'm Karen! and a Wal-Mart cashier and a microbiologist!"
But those old Slades and especially Tahoes and lower line versions are set for a steep decrease. Lots of upside-down people will be created.
I agree 100% with you. We pay as middle class citizens, more as a percentage of our income.
Rocky
Rocky
This is completely off topic, but will post anyway
The fact remains, those with the most income, pay the most taxes.
* 96 percent of all federal tax revenue comes from half of all taxpayers.
* 53 percent of all federal tax revenue comes from the top 5% of all taxpayers.
* 3.5 percent of all federal tax revenue comes from the bottom 50% of all taxpayers.
I don't have a problem with federal taxes as much as I do with local and state income and property tax.
Oh, and gas was $2.79 here in Wichita today.
as you and I ?????
I do. If I pay twenty or thirty percent of my income in the form of taxes, I think everyone should do the same. I think a "Flat-Tax" might be the fairest solution for all.
Neways Gas is still $2.79 a gallon for 86' octane. :mad:
The local paper said to expect price increases in the very near future.
I'm not sure if I can get gouged anymore and keep quiet. :sick:
Rocky
First there is no economic meltdown because of these price hikes. There was no economic meltdown after 9/11, or after Katrina, as many doomsayers like to predict. Modern economies such as in Europe have shown that civilization and stable economies do not need to breakdown even at $7/gal gasoline prices.
As shown today by the stock markets rising 2%, even on a day of record oil prices, the economy is continuing to grow and thrive.
Personally, my middle income family and relatives all have good, stable jobs. We travel, send kids to college, own new vehicles, and increase our wealth every year. In my junior year of college, I didn't have the money for a candy bar from a vending machine. After college even when working as a stock person, I saved money every pay-check. I compounded money and continue to invest. Today's increase in the stock market just paid for my gasoline for the year. Maybe some of that mutual fund money is in energy stocks, so I'm just recirculating the money I pay at the pump, back to myself.
as you and I ?????
me: Should a person driving a Mercedes pay 10 times the toll, as a person in a Geo Metro?
you: I'm not sure if I can get gouged anymore and keep quiet.
me: since you're posting here now, I guess you're not really quiet. What are you going to do besides this? Organize a boycott day of gasoline?
Hey, I'm all for tax reform, our tax code is rediculously fat and complicated. But I if you want a progressive tax system, how does a flat tax provide that. You'll be raising the tax liablility of the lowest wage earns which currently, many have zero federal tax liability.
My original point was and is the highest wage earners pay most of the tax. I don't sit around worrying about what someone who makes more than me pays in income tax.
Great post. My Conoco stock has made more than enough to pay my increased fuel costs. To bad I sold it already, still looks like there's more money to be made. Oh well.
While I'm not happy about rising prices, it certainly isn't a problem and will not change my summer plans of using our boat as much as possible.
That's great and really I'm happy for you.
In my junior year of college, I didn't have the money for a candy bar from a vending machine.
Many can't afford to even go to college, let alone have money to buy a luxury like a candy bar or afford to put gas in the car to get to college. Been there done that. :sick:
After college even when working as a stock person, I saved money every pay-check. I compounded money and continue to invest.
I'm glad you had a high-paying stock room jobs. I unfortunately didn't make enough money to save until I was 22.
Today's increase in the stock market just paid for my gasoline for the year. Maybe some of that mutual fund money is in energy stocks, so I'm just recirculating the money I pay at the pump, back to myself.
Well many of us didn't believe gas prices and energy stocks would keep going up because of economic consequences, boy we were wrong. It appears they will keep going up unfortunately. BTW- If your last increase in your stocks paid a years worth of gas, you basically just said you have nothing for savings. :surprise:
If you haven't learnt how to save and invest, you might be vacating the road and reducing the congestion for the rest of us?
I'm fortunate that I'm one of the few that has the ability to save and invest. Many americans are just trying to make "ends meet" and many have lost good paying jobs, only to be replaced by ones that make half. This is reality for many friends and family of mine. It might be Rosy where you live and yes I'm happy for you. However their is alot of americans that don't have it so well and that's who I'm speaking for.
Rocky
About the taxes...those who benefit the most for the maintenance of the status quo better be paying the most.
"First there is no economic meltdown because of these price hikes."
Because scrutiny got so hot that the robber barons ended up lowering the prices not long after they spiked. We saw but several weeks of high prices last year. Not enough for a real impact.
"the economy is continuing to grow and thrive. "
Interesting opinion.
But I suppose if we all "improve ourselves" and get cookie cutter MBAs, everything will work out.
Right wing pseudo-capitalist propaganda gets really old really fast.
BTW- :surprise: Way past $3 bucks !
Rocky
I shudder to think at the gifts the current regime will bestow upon big oil once the next round of profit statements are reported.
According to gasbuddy, there are 4 stations in Seattle that have passed $3, one charging $3.13(!)
I guess my $2.79 isn't that bad. Can I say that with a straight face ? :confuse:
The pseudo-capatalistic right-wingers tells us that we should of protected ourselves and baught more oil stocks. :mad: They say it with a smile though.
Rocky
Perhaps the anti capitalist who displays the Maple Leaf will be more content to return to his home country where what he preaches down here happens up there, eh?
Your fears about Tehran's 40,000 suicide bombers, its nuclear ambitions, and its absolutely hollow threats to cut off oil production are understandable. Same goes for the wingnut who's running Nigeria.
But why worry about all that?
No less an authority than the United States government has invested a quarter of a trillion dollars to gain unfettered access to the world's second-largest proven reserves lying beneath the democratic republic of Iraq.
Think of all that new oil that'll be coming onto the market really soon, and let tranquility and lower prices prevail.
you: Interesting opinion.
me: So the unemployment, GDP, and stock market indexes are opinions? I thought that was data. Are high real estate values opinion too?
Prices here in NH $2.75 for 87 octane, $2.95 for 93. By the way, I'm more likely to buy 93 now, as on a percentage basis the cost isn't much more than 87 octane. I can run 87, but 91 is recommended.
me: Nothing personal, but I see this philosophy of - relying on corporate America or the government to give "me" a good job and benefits - rather naieve (or lazy). And then some people have the concept that because all they've done is job Type X, and can't do anything else, ridiculous.
People are going to have to do more than graduate from HS, expect to get a job at the auto plant making $50K+, and have a house and 2 cars, for life. You may need to start your own business, change careers a few times ... If your expecting to cruise thru life without being flexible in your career and where you live, and most importantly - Continue to Improve your value, then yes you may find your lifestyle declining and gas prices to be getting high.
And if people aren't saving any money in their weekly checks here's some advice: don't smoke, don't drink, cutback on eating out, drop the cable and cellphones, no lotteries or gambling, ...
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It doesn't matter how much oil one can produce, if their isn't enough oil processing plants to turn crude into gasoline.
I'll pass a little advice I got from my right-wing friends. Buy Oil Stocks where you buy gas, and hope the dividens and soaring stock prices yields enough to fight off the price hikes. :sick: This is a typical Hush Bimbo lock-step answer to any disputes. You walk away confused. I guess I never made the connection :P
Rocky
I'd never run what a car "can run" on. As you mention, the price difference isn't that huge. My fintail recommends 98 octane! I ran it on 89 for a long time, but after awhile I figured that given the age of the car, I'd do what I could to help it a little. The new car would never get anything below premium.
I'm still very curious to know why the grade gaps that had been an even 10 cents forever suddenly jumped an additional 4 cents for premium.
well I personally think it's rather naive they give small buisness men tax breaks. Why should they :mad: ? Your to damn lazy to go get a 4th job and want Uncle Sam to help you out ? It's the same darn concept pal. Small entrepreneurs want me to bail them out if the ship sinks. I could be a real [non-permissible content removed] and march on washington and demand these chance takers be held liable for life with that debt.
People are going to have to do more than graduate from HS, expect to get a job at the auto plant making $50K+, and have a house and 2 cars, for life.
Our economy can't support a total service infrastructure Only fools believe it can be done and we prosper as a nation.
We kernick need Joe who works 9-5 busting his butt and making a middle class income for this country to maintain a healthy economy. Obviously you strongly disagree
by your previous comments. We our turning on the
printing press to compensate. Our money is backed by nothing but lies. We don't have enough Gold to back all the money we've printed. I personally am sick to my stomach we are letting the Chinese and Japanese buy up our treasury notes so we can keep the printing press's on. :mad:
You may need to start your own business, change careers a few times ... If your expecting to cruise thru life without being flexible in your career and where you live, and most importantly - Continue to Improve your value, then yes you may find your lifestyle declining and gas prices to be getting high.
Your average american can't afford to go back to college every 5-7 years for retraining. Your typical right-wing answer of education is boring and has been mentioned by the president repeatedly. Why not fix the problem through policy, then making a 50 yr. old have to switch jobs for 6th or 7th time in his/her career because the Capatalists want to "offshore" that job. This is why Capatalism needs to go. It's a flawed system that has no check and balances for the majority of americans. Sure it's flexible for the rich top 5% and they can go exploit another group/populus
and turn them into their personal owned slaves. :sick:
And if people aren't saving any money in their weekly checks here's some advice: don't smoke, don't drink, cutback on eating out, drop the cable and cellphones, no lotteries or gambling, ...
Alot of good folks can barely afford to put petro in their cars let alone go out to eat. So what you are saying is because you believe in the free market you want the majority of americans to never have anything because you want them to compete with somebody living in a shack,
drinking their own urine because it hasn't rained ???? My god where are your morales. You are not alone in your thinking,unfortunately :confuse: It's sad that a few in our country have no compassion and will do whatever it takes to make another buck. Then they still have enough guts to ask the common man to go fight the war they started :mad: America simpily is becoming the land of the haves...&...have nots.
It's becoming really sad. :sick:
BTW- Gas at Walley World in Dumas is $2.76
Rocky
I remember when I got my licsense in 99' my friends and I would go around and call each other when we found standard gas for less than 80 cents. Man those were the days haha
Rocky
Rocky
I think you need a reality check. Look around you when you drive to work. How many old beater cars do you see? Now how many newer cars, SUVs & trucks. When I was a kid not many people we knew ever bought a new car. Now every kid in HS is driving a new Honda. These are not just rich kids. They are kids working at McDonald's making $8-$10 per hour. They live at home and spend every penney they make on car, video games and going to concerts and movies. You see a concert with the Rolling Stones. 50,000 plus people and I doubt you could get a ticket for under 100 bucks. Those are not all part of the wealthiest families. It is folks like you and I. We have a lot better standard of living than people 35 years ago when the gas shortages were common place. We haven't even mentioned the Great Depression that our grandparents went through.
I count my blessings and am Proud to be an American. Beats any other country on earth including Canada. My cousins moved to the US from Toronto. When they became US citizens they had a big party to celebrate. It was last 4th of July.
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ARCO & Costco are $2.95 here in San Diego. That is the cheapest around.
Sound familiar? What countries practice this and why are you still here in the USA?
Livingston MT Regular today is $2.02. Big Sky country.