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Gas at the local Phillips station which is sometimes the cheapest in town my friend said was $2.81 :surprise:
Rocky
I wonder if that's the cheapest in the nation ?
Rocky
You see...the rich does not use more roads, more infrastructure, more government services...so why should they pay more ???? I think California is on the right track to require people on welfare to go back and get training after a certain number of years on welfare...it gets their butts off the couch and make them work for a living.....
The rich are already paying more for services that they do not use.........It is inherently unfair for only the rich to pay a very high percentage of their income to support the many government services that they seldom use. Reverting to socialism or communism just does not work. Look at Vietnam and China, who basically have capitalistic economies and are doing fine. Then look at Cuba and north Korea and Soviet Union...who stuck with socialism...and their countries are starving for progress...
Ever see a person risk death, pay lots of money , and secretly try to get into a communist country ?
gas in SF/bay area at larger , expensive gas stations are 2.89 for reg, 2.99 for 89 oct, and 3.09 for premium.
gas should go up to $5.00 a gallon. When it does, then we will be paying the same prices that the rest of the world has been paying.
Gas in Britain nears $5.....also in Taiwan, Italy, etc....
We are only paying $3.00 a gal....wow...what a deal !!! :shades:
They don't as a percentage of their income. I pay around 30% of my income to taxes. Joe Millionaire pays 10% if he is a savy weasel or has a weasel for an accountant.
highender, Why should I pay more of a percentage of my income than Joe Millionaire ? I don't use the social services either.
I think California is on the right track to require people on welfare to go back and get training after a certain number of years on welfare...it gets their butts off the couch and make them work for a living.....
We agree
The rich are already paying more for services that they do not use.........It is inherently unfair for only the rich to pay a very high percentage of their income to support the many government services that they seldom use.
We just went over this 10% is less than 30% or do I have fuzzy math. Oh you mean that they pay more at 10% than I do at 30%. Gottchya
Reverting to socialism or communism just does not work.
Communism doesn't work and I agree with you. No proof that it's ever worked. Socialism does work and I can name off very wealthy country's where it does work. #1 Switzerland (The richest per capita country in the world) #2 Norway the 2nd richest. Germany, Canada, England, want me to go on....?
Look at Vietnam and China, who basically have capitalistic economies and are doing fine.
Well the top 20% (260,000,000) in China have a total icome equivalent which some have said compare to $65K a yr. The other 80% 1,040,000,000 eat snakes and live in slums. China is very far from total capatalism and they'd still be extremely poor if it wasn't for us buying their cheap, slave and child labor goods.:mad:
Vietnam doing good :confuse: I'm not sure where you pulled that one from ? Out of thin air, eh ? If you call putting a monkey on a table in a vise while alive and choping his scalp off like a cocunut and eating it's brains good :P
Then look at Cuba and north Korea and Soviet Union...who stuck with socialism...and their countries are starving for progress...
Last time I checked North Korea and Cuba weren't socialist nations :confuse: North Korea is ran by Kim Jung Mentally ILL a dicatator and Cuba is ran by a Dictator called Fidel Castro and if you associate those nations with socialism you need to pick up a Websters and re-read the definition of socialism.
Ever see a person risk death, pay lots of money , and secretly try to get into a communist country ?
Nope, But our global capatalism is becoming a form of communism with all the monopoly's us avg. Joe's are faced with paying. look at the Oil Cartel, Insurance, Pharmaceuticals, Medical, fields and tell me that isn't a form of communism :surprise: ?
gas in SF/bay area at larger , expensive gas stations are 2.89 for reg, 2.99 for 89 oct, and 3.09 for premium.
Ya'll suprisingly have it cheaper than I was guessing
gas should go up to $5.00 a gallon. When it does, then we will be paying the same prices that the rest of the world has been paying.
You must own a buncha oil stocks, either that you are rich and nuts :confuse:
Gas in Britain nears $5.....also in Taiwan, Italy, etc....
Good for them, they also have city transportation i.e. buses, subways, trains, etc, and their country's aren't spread out like ours or near as big. :confuse:
We are only paying $3.00 a gal....wow...what a deal !!!
You need to take "2" and see us in the morning :P
highender, it's been fun pal
Rocky
I still live with my parents and I'm 25 , Thats because even a 1 bedroom condo in my area will go for 300k . A small crap house ? 500k . A house I'd actually like to buy ? 800k.
These prices are very high and my entry lvl job (40k) is barely allowing me to pay my college loans .
Now I'm middle class and the goverment takes alot of money from me compared to what I earn. A rich man wont have alot of money taken.
However if we go to a flat tax (and I don't believe this will work) the tax rate for the middle class will go down. The problem is the tax rate for the lower class will go up . They need to make diffrent levels .
Under say 75k should be a low tax bracket. Say 15% or so. Over 75k to say 200k should be around 25% and over that should be 35% . This would allow the lower class to have less debt and live much better lives .
The goverment also needs to fix who they give tax breaks too.
Do you know that exon gets hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks a year ? Do you know that Last quarter they posted earning ofs 10b dollars . 10b dollars when apparently we had a gas crisis .
Other groups like the boy scouts of america need to have thier goverment funding cut. Sure it sounds like a great group , however its run by mormens and they discrimiate against minioritys and gays . In my town , they get to rend school space for 1$ a day. Imagine if they had to pay for that space how much extra money we would get for our school .
If we actually got someone in office that isn't bought by these companys we can get much needed taxes from these huge companys and orginizations and it would help to ease our tax needs .
Then if we can get the goverment to make it mandatory that all new buildings in the country recieve x% of power through renewable sources , an rule to make it mandatory that all cars are sold with a diesel engine option , hybrid option and hydrogen option.
Now here is the big kicker . They say the structure isn't there for all these new fuels ? Here is what you do , make it mandatory that each new station or renovated station (Since the tanks need to be changed x amount of years ) is required to have diesel , e85/e95 and hydrogen the structure would be there in a few years at the expense of the stations that would be spending money anyway .
That would give us the benfit of not having to spend 300b to invade a country for thier oil .
Rocky
Prices have been holding steady around 2.679 at the station I go too. I have seen it up to 2.779 at some stations on the way to work, but they've been holding there for the past few days as well.
I hear a lot about E85, but predict it will be the next M85. Anyone remember that 'fuel of the future' from the late 80s. It is just hard to beat the BTU density of gold old gasoline.
Turboshadow
Yeah, methanol, just buy a cow or two and plug your car into it. LOL.
Seriously, I don't know where things are headed, but I'm all for any type of alternative that's viable.
LINK
I have no doubt that their business is down -- there are some other stations not too far away -- but I also don't doubt that there are some folks who are actually paying that price.
me: do some research today and tell us what the price of gas is in those countries you mention, where the system "works". Let us know the tax-rate? Or see what a car costs after they tax it. There's a reason many in Europe don't have cars and gas, and that is the cost!
That never ceases to amaze me. I have seen people in a station that was 20-40 cents higher than the one across the street. Either habit or type of CC I guess.
San Diego average unleaded regular $2.96 Diesel $2.99.
Headed to the Hill Country of Texas. El Paso gas $2.61 diesel $2.59. Glad my little MB Cruiser is diesel.
In Georgetown they've broken the $3 barrier, now $3.02.
-juice
2 Luxembourg
3 Switzerland
The US is 8th per capita income. Germany, Canada & the UK are not in the top ten.
I'm glad my vehicles are all 4-cylinders and run happily on 87.
BTW, what economic/natural disaster did we have going on around the end of September last year? Was that hurricane Rita? I was getting gas for the tractor, tiller, etc, and decided to top off the truck at the same time, and looking through my records noticed that I paid $3.23 per gallon around that time.
regular 285.9
plus 295.9
prem 305.9
des 295.9
Midgrade=3.099
Prem=3199
(Average... higher at some stations)....
$2.81 for Regular
$2.91 for Silver
$3.01 for Premium
$3.09 for Ultra
Gee, good thing I have that second job and no unsecured debt! What are prices like out near Harrisburg? I'm planning a trip out there for Carlisle this weekend.
2.85 Reg
2.95 Plus
3.15 Prem.
I can't wait to see the next quarter profit report from Exxon and the others.
I bet it will beat 10 Bil. :sick:
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=Netx
If you say "Howdy", it's better than saying, "Aloha"!
Rocky
Gas in Norway is very expensive, but like I said they have city transportation and those European and Scandinavian country's aren't so spread out like the U.S.
Norways also helps the parents of kids out with money from the oil revenue. Education, and college is free, and that's why the literacy rate is 100%. Every male has to serve 2 years in the military, which isn't a bad thing, eh ? Perhaps these are just a few reason why Norways is so educated and better off than the average american, because their government cares for it's people.
Rocky
Rocky
Gas prices are falling here a little (2 cents for each grade).
Palm Springs, CA
Chevron
Reg. $3.17
Mid. $3.27
Prem.$3.37
M156
I moved from Dalhart pal.
Thanx for the link....
Rocky
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=79029&x=13&y=10
Rocky
2 Luxembourg
3 Switzerland
The US is 8th per capita income. Germany, Canada & the UK are not in the top ten.
agree...but most of the money in those nations belong to other people. THose countries above are tax havens , therefore the apparently higher per capita income.
I think in real terms...where there is actual production of goods and services (not counting people who send money to banks)...the USA is near the top . but this is IMO.....
gas is still lower than what they pay in Japan, Taiwan, Europe..etc....We have relatively cheap gas compared to the rest of the world..
OIL is now at $72 / barrel....a new high.
Other places have cheap gas due to more taxes. Those places also have functional public transport, unlike most of NA. Apples to oranges.
And the Chevron I saw at 2.71 is now 2.83. The next round of profits should be amusing.
Cheapest gas is $2.75 and the most expensive Gas is $2.80 a gallon in Dumas Tx.
I think you missed my point. Many social service cost and government costs should be shared equally be all the people. Taxing the rich and giving to the poor sounds good...but that leads to communism..and we don;t want to go there, do we ? We should invest extra money in alternative fuels to lower gas prices.
Why should I pay more of a percentage of my income than Joe Millionaire ? I don't use the social services either. A Flat-Tax would be fair for everyone wouldn't it ?
YOu pay more as a percentage because you make less. A bottle of cola should cost the same to the rich guy as it costs the middle class. Equality for everyone. Percentages are in place already...the rich get taxed at 35% + plus. But having a nice accountant use the tax laws to increase your purchases and investments and jobs is always good, in general. GAs investments will allow more drilling and cheaper gas .
We just went over this 10% is less than 30% or do I have fuzzy math. Oh you mean that they pay more at 10% than I do at 30%. Gottchya
You got it. We all share in our support of the government. The rich already pays much more $$$ , per person, than the average person, though the average person may be using the services more. The rich will invest that money...and get richer thruogh capital gains, not sweat work. That is smart. Gas is going up in other parts of World too...
Well I don't think it's fair they pay less of a percentage to keep them even more wealthy.
NOpe...everyone earns a different salary, but pays the same price for gas or hamburgers...therefore the percentage cost of hamburgers or gas will always be different for each person. A flat tax may be the way to go....so everyone pays their share. GAs should cost the same $$$ amount for each person.
No proof that it's ever worked. Socialism does work and I can name off very wealthy country's where it does work. #1 Switzerland (The richest per capita country in the world) #2 Norway the 2nd richest. Germany, Canada, England, want me to go on....?
Socialism does not work. Those countries all have big problems...but they tax the rich exhorbitantly ( tax rates at some of those countries approach 90%, with one ridiculous case where it went over 100% ) and throw money at the problems...consequently, the US has to police the rest of the world///// Gas is expensive in those countries you mentioned.
ME: ""Look at Vietnam and China, who basically have capitalistic economies and are doing fine.""
you Well the top 20% (260,000,000) in China have a total icome equivalent which some have said compare to $65K a yr. The other 80% 1,040,000,000 eat snakes and live in slums. China is very far from total capatalism and they'd still be extremely poor if it wasn't for us buying their cheap, slave and child labor goods.
IF they stayed communist, they ALL would be eating lizards and living in state slums. YOU are argueing in favor of capitalism... read what you wrote above....
Vietnam doing good I'm not sure where you pulled that one from ? Out of thin air, eh ? If you call putting a monkey on a table in a vise while alive and choping his scalp off like a cocunut and eating it's brains good
I have lots of patients and friends from Vietnam..and they say it is doing better when it opened up in early 1980s....China saw the experiment worked...so they too opened up in mid 1980s . Eating monkey brains is a delicacy...very expensive. Are you saying that they do that ...wow...capitalism is really working there....Gas is still expensive...most ride scooters or bike there.
Then look at Cuba and north Korea and Soviet Union...who stuck with socialism...and their countries are starving for progress...
Last time I checked North Korea and Cuba weren't socialist nations North Korea is ran by Kim Jung Mentally ILL a dicatator and Cuba is ran by a Dictator called Fidel Castro
Yep...and they run the country in a socialist fashion. Yes..they are the worst dictators..but the country has centralized planning for everything, from food distribution to having a family.
and if you associate those nations with socialism you need to pick up a Websters and re-read the definition of socialism.
I know what those countries are...they have tons of people who would do anything to come to America.
The Soviet Union a.k.a. RUSSIA is a socialist country and is making great economic strides finally and are beginning to build infrastructure and have rich natural resources and golden soil that hasn't beeen tapped yet for farming
It is making economic strides because they are opening up and trying to be capitalists. You are arguing in favor of capitalism, my friend. Putin would love to have Russia be like USA >// They do have lots of gas...and they are exporting it, mostly.
Nope, But our global capatalism is becoming a form of communism with all the monopoly's us avg. Joe's are faced with paying. look at the Oil Cartel, Insurance, Pharmaceuticals, Medical, fields and tell me that isn't a form of communism ?
Nope, it is not communism. The state does not own your land and take away your rights. I was just in Beijing...believe me, I know. All the corporations that you mentioned were owned by people or stockholders, mostly. IN China, the goverment used to own EVERYTHING . Even your ability to travel to the next city... :sick:
You must own a buncha oil stocks, either that you are rich and nuts
Nope..I do not have oil wells or stocks...though some of my mutual funds might hold some oil related companies. I am not nuts. We need gas to be higher..so that people would consider using mopeds instead of cars. ( mainly I mean China, Mexico, India...and to some extent...USA)
me:""Gas in Britain nears $5.....also in Taiwan, Italy, etc.... ""
Good for them, they also have city transportation i.e. buses, subways, trains, etc, and their country's aren't spread out like ours or near as big.
See...??? having higher gas prices produces good social effects .
You need to take "2" and see us in the morning
highender, it's been fun pal I still think you have a few screws lose loving ONLY $3 dollar gasoline.
LOL...those who know me say the same
good talking to you...but I think it will take some time before you see the logic here...
I like NOrway... I think they even supported our government in its fight against terrorism.
I dont follow the logic. Other places have cheap gas due to taxes ? I think you may mean higher gas prices.
Yes...they do have public transportation...and what should we do about that ?
Thanks... you are right...oil is $72 /barrel.
clinging to our present lifestyle is not good...since gas prices is only going to go up.... Our apples should be like their oranges ???
"rich already pays much more $$$ , per person, than the average person"
The people who benefit most from the status quo should pay the most to maintain it. That cannot be debated.
Don't look at it in raw dollars, coward's way out.
" dont follow the logic."
It was a typo. Someone of your capacity should be able to make assumptions.
"clinging to our present lifestyle is not good..."
Indeed...we should become like China or Vietnam,...well, the devolution into a landscape of serfs and elites is already underway. That'll be "doing fine" just like them. Some here do seem to want to see the US devolved into a hellhole like China.
A complete deregulation of the labor market will solve all of our problems, just like in China. Right.
What round of perks will our right-wingers award to big oil next?
My relatives love americans, and my immediante family hasn't spoken to them (Norweigan relatives) in some time.
highender, I'm not baught and sold on capatalism. I guess I see to many negatives that go along with the positives. I suppose I do the same with socialism seeing all the postives and overlook some of the negatives.
My most important issue is keeping the United States as strong economicaly possible and keep jobs over here so everyone has the oppertunity to succeed, even if they want to be a factory rat.
Rocky
You mean those on welfare? I would debate that they do not pay their share. Why should I pay for a levee in Louisiana that I do not think should even be there? Or subsidize a 10,000 acre farm owned by some giant corporation? I don't mind paying for defense as that was what the government's role is supposed to be. If it takes more gas tax to maintain the roads so be it. I can tell you I do not want to be taxed as most EU countries. I don't think they get enough for the taxes they pay.
me: Please post links to what those perks are and how much went to what oil companies. I'm sure you'll be able to do that, since you make that comment everyday.
Now looking at 1 oil company - Exxon Mobil (info. on P.40), http://exxonmobil.com/corporate/files/corporate/sar_2005.pdf we see that they sold $359B of oil and chemicals in 2005. Their expenses were $311B. Of that $311B, $72B was Excise Taxes" and "Other Taxes and Duties". That left $59B in income. Exxon then paid $23B tax on that income. They ended up with $36B income.
So the box-score was $95B paid in taxes and duties, and $36B to the stockholders (which 99% of people who have a 401K own stock in some oil company). The money Exxon Mobil and these other oil companies make is not going strictly to a small group of people. That money is going to the millions and millions of ordinary people like me who invest in companies to 1) provide our needs and 2) produce a decent profit. $36B in profit from a $360B business is not excessive; it is 10% (2X the return of a CD).
Norway has done that by being a very closed society. I will bet you that there are more Norwegians in the US than in Norway. Check out how many non Norwegians live in Norway. You would not get in and use that free hospital care I am sure. Same as Canada. It looks good on the surface. I have known a few Canadians that come to the US for special health care that is not provided in Canada or would take an extremely long time to get. I can tell you the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence.
I was just in Sichuan China, , adopting a girl , 2 months ago. Believe me....they all would prefer our way...with all its supposed ills...rather than the communist way. I am speaking from first hand experience...having lived in 5 countries and visited many more. I do see the negatives and positives of each.
Do not knock capitalism....or US....Believe me, 80% of the people on this planet would sell their soul to live here. And that includes becoming a servant or a farm hand...it all beats what they are going thru.....
now...In China, Sichuan, gas is about $4 for unleaded.
It is cheaper in Guangzhou, china, cause they are closer to the refineries...so it was less than $4.
$2.95 in Louisville, Kentucky.