Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    rbleland,

    Do you know whether accident rates have decreased at all in Canada since DRLs were made mandatory. I am curious.

    Thanks.

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  • garryc1garryc1 Member Posts: 9
    Uhmmm...thanks fellas, but my intent was NOT to start yet another tired debate on the "advantages" of DRLs. If you believe in them, that's great. My post shouldn't be interpreted as a call to arms either for or against. I'm simply looking for anyone that has some experience with a disconnect method...
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Jack, the 01/02 Forester can ONLY be adjusted vertically. Horizontal Adjustment is affected by changing the Datum dimensions (ie bending the frame).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Just keep your headlights on all the time. That won't use the brights, and keeps the interior and tail lights on, too.

    I don't see the advantage of DRLs. If visibility is the issue, why not have the tail lights on also?

    Subaru lights shut off automatically, it's great. Never worry about it.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    << I don't see the advantage of DRLs. If visibility is the issue, why not have the tail lights on also? >>

    DLRs are of a big advantage in terms of preventing head-on collisions, and/or "T-boneing" someone who pulled out right in front of you at an intersection because they didn't see you.

    The taillight issue is less important because: A) if you collide with another vehicle, you are at least going in the same direction, so the severity of the accident would probably be less, and B) to some extent, it cuts down on the visual *difference* between the brighter brake light and the taillight.

    That's not to say that driving with all your lights on, all the time, is not a good idea. Anything that makes you more visible from the front or rear is good IMO.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Good points, however the law seems incomplete, at best. The should regulate visibility all around, not just from one angle.

    The other thing is that I drive a Miata and many systems just put the brights on at 90%, which is extremely annoying.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I do the same thing Juice does, I leave my lights on all the time. It's safer and with Subaru's auto shut off feature, there's zero inconvenience.

    -Frank P.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    After moving from AK to ID, I can attest that it's usually brighter around these parts (brighter than many parts of Sweden and Canada during the winter months as well I'm thinking). But I do notice the motorcycles even when it's dark sunglasses time.

    I'd actually prefer DRLs on my MV but not so much that I'm willing to dig around for a replacement module to switch out. I do tend to run around with my headlights on more than most folks and the dinger usually saves my battery. Auto off sure would be nice.

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  • dstch82dstch82 Member Posts: 8
    I test drove a 2003 Forester X last Saturday. I turned on the engine, parked the car and got out of the car, but noticed the DRLs were not on. Are the DRLs on only when you are driving?
    Thanks,
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ours go on when you release the hand brake.

    -juice
  • rblelandrbleland Member Posts: 312
    Sorry, I don't know for a fact if the rates have changed since DRL were mandated. I suspect someone else may have a link to that answer. In my own personal driving experience only, I certainly prefer in passing or low light times to have the DRL's or headlites on low. Incidently, the DRL's are not as bright as the regular lights (as noted in post 7660 accurately). Not trying to start an agrument here, just relating personal choice. Thanks.
  • mtngalmtngal Member Posts: 1,911
    I personally would like DRLs. Just personal experience and nothing scientific, but I drive the I405 carpool lane every day at rush hour. There is only a double yellow line between the 40-50 mph carpool lane and a long line of more or less stopped traffic. I find that fewer people cross that double yellow line right in front of me when I have my headlights on.
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    Garry re the DRLs....go to the i-club....do a search under DRL disconnect/last 6 mos/all forums. There is quite a bit there. Looks like you can remove module/disconnect a wire and some other choices. Problem is .....a 03 Forester...not much about IT!
  • eps105eps105 Member Posts: 216
    The DRL's on the '03 Forester turn on when you put the car into gear. If the car is in Park and you get out to look at them, they will be off.
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    The only problem I have with them is that many people fail to put their lights on at dusk or dawn, thinking that their vehicles are automatically more visible with DRLs. As farfegnugen* brings to our attention, most vehicles do not have DRLs in the rear, meaning that you can't see them from otehr angles.

    (*BTW, as a VW owner from that era, I thought that pidgin German term was "fahrvergnugen.")

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    But I dislike DRLs for the same reason people dislike automatics. I see DRLs in the same vane, lack of control. Automatics would make cars far safer, less to think about, both hands on the wheel, etc. etc. But I believe that people should have the right to choose, same goes for DRLs...

    -mike
  • dstch82dstch82 Member Posts: 8
    Please check


    http://carpoint.msn.com/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4019432


    I don't know why Subaru is not included.

  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    While cross-shopping Legacy wagons with Foresters, I've noticed the Foresters were noisier, especially in the back end. No surprise there, and I'm sure I'd not be bothered by road noise if I weren't comparing this way.

    Has anyone tried to soundproof a Forester? Wouldn't seem to be hard. Salesman said the extra soundproofing added to the Legacy in the spare tire area was one reason Subaru went to a donut instead of the full-size tire.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, Subaru is not listed as below average, so presumably they are above average.

    Steve: I replaced the donut in our Legacy with a full sized spare, and had to remove the foam insulation there. With the cover, the carpet, and the rubber liner we have on top of all that, we don't notice any difference whatsoever.

    I'd rather have the piece of mind of a full size spare, personally, even if it were a little noisier.

    -juice
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    I noticed if I keep my lights on all the time when I look up to see the time during daylight hours it is too dim to see and I have to turn the lights off to see it.
    Gene
  • jimbob17jimbob17 Member Posts: 77
    There is a stretch of road in MD on rt15 south of Frederick and before Point of Rocks where headlights are mandatory even in daylight. Maybe some of you Marylanders can help me out. Do DRLs suffice per Maryland?
  • garryc1garryc1 Member Posts: 9
    Thanks David. I'll hunt around under my wife's hood this weekend after perusing the i-club boards. But you're right..."Problem is .....a 03 Forester...not much about IT!"
    Hopefully, one of the methods will apply.
    I appreciate your response.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    This is to be done at your OWN risk and consequences dealt with by the owner such as disabling the passenger Airbag......
    On the 2002/2003 right front strut tower is the DRL current limiting resistor (has a warning label on it about High Temp), and a 2 wire grey connector. This is the ground return resistor ONLY for DRL. Headlight ground is returned by the DRL relay when the light switch is activated.
    To disable DRL, simply unplug the resistor connector.
    Tidester, if this poses ANY issues with the Edmunds Board regulations, You may delete this message.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I don't see a problem with it as long as it's legal.

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  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    are not required by law in any state of the US, so disabling them isn't illegal.

    On the brightness of clock etc, on the SVX there is an override to the dimming of the interior lights! So when I drive during the day I hit the "bright" switch and the clock, etc will not dim! :)

    Man I love my SVX!

    -mike
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Still exists on UK-spec Subarus as of November 2000. Saw them on a Legacy estate and last-gen Forester S turbo. Can't recall if the Impreza P1 I sat in had them.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It's a great feature.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I can still read the clock, but yeah it's a little dimmer. Mine's on the roof, and my windows are tinted, so that may help.

    I just drove to Bethany Beach and we're talking 2 lane roads where passing is allowed in many places, and often mandatory if you're stuck behind a farm tractor. Headlight use is mandatory most of the way, and yes I think DRLs are sufficient.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We should create a new topic entitled "features the SVX has that we'd like to see Subaru bring back when they re-content their cars". :D

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    nice Juice. I think the SVX is their big parts bin of every luxo/convience feature they ever thought up. Still lovin the car. Which reminds me I need to go outside and see what part broke on the exhaust.

    -mike
  • ducktapeguyducktapeguy Member Posts: 115
    I don't want to bring this whole DRL stuff up again, but here's a link for anyone who wants to disable them. Just check if your car is there


    http://lightsout.org/disable.html


    now back to more interesting topics of conversation. Bring on the 2.5T!

  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    I don't know about the Volkswagen "F" word, but I really liked their other slogan: "It's not a car, it's a Volkswagen." I owned a Dasher (forerunner [oops that's a Toyota word, almost]of the Passat), and it certainly wasn't what I would call a car. More like some type of fruit -- oh yeah -- lemon! Yes, it was yellow.

    It started to fall apart before it even left the factory because the rear brake shoes were assembled backwards. Junked it at 86,000 miles after every bit of chrome trim fell off, all of the dash vents fell apart, as did some of their replacements, the dash top split in half, a big spring popped up out of the rarely used rear seat, the timing belt broke at 44k, an engine mount broke not long after, the bumper mount broke, the heater fan control burned up, a door crank broke in two, the upholstery turned into flakes, the carpet wore out even though there were mats on top of it, a fitting popped out of the carb, blowing gas all over the engine (fortunately it was cold), the engine needed a valve job twice at 44k and 70k, the carb needed a rebuild at 75k, the ignition interlock failed in a car wash, the fuel gauge stopped working.... You get the idea.

    OK, sorry, this is a Forester board. butr since someone mentioned VW...

    Has anyone done any power mods on a '98 Forester?
  • gopiratesgopirates Member Posts: 4
    Has anyone heard of a problem with a 02 forestor radiator? I just purchased a S premium w/4100 miles on it. After cleaning her up, I noticed the reserve tank was low. So, I filled it up. I checked the next day, same thing. I waited until it cooled off and checked the radiator fluid level. It was full. Do you guys think there maybe a leak, and its pulling from the reserve to refill itself???
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    VW has come a long way. I don't think they can match Subaru for long term reliability, but they have improved a lot.

    Power mods? Some here have done the intake. Removing the silencer or use a foam/gauze filter is the quick and easy way, plus it's cheap. You might get 3-5 horsepower from that, it depends.

    Pulleys are cheap, and claim +5hp. For a little over a hundred bucks, you can get a lightened pulley that turns the accessories a little slower. Reviews are mixed, some say it dims the interior lights, other love the increased throttle response. YMMV.

    Exhaust would be next. Subaru's own muffler gives a factory stated +3hp gain, but a full cat-back system might give you 5-8hp for about $400. Get stainless steel, though, don't cheap out on exhausts or they'll just rust out.

    Then there are headers, plus a less restrictives cat. By now you're talking major investment. A complete exhaust (headers, cat, cat-back) will set you back more than a grand. In theory you might gain 15 peak HP, but you also might give up some back pressure and low-end torque. For the 2.5l engine, the rule-of-thumb is don't exceed 2.25" diameter on the pipes, unless you're going to turbo charge it.

    And that's the biggie. One guy on i-Club has a turbo 2.5l, and I think one other is planned. His 1/4 mile times at the track beat Mustang V8s, FWIW, but he's also spent $3-5 grand on it.

    Pirates: it's normal for the cooling system to "burp", i.e. purge air, especially after a radiator flush that might leave pockets of air. Keep doing what you're doing until it stops, which it should after a few cycles.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I am going to be working on a project to turbo a 2.5RS. Should be completed in a month or 2.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What's his budget?

    I wouldn't cut corners with a turbo. Spend $3 grand and you have wires and devices all over the place, in the center console, glove box, etc. Install it right and you get nice brackets and stuff tucked out of the way.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    he is spending $2500 on the kit and we'll be doing the installs.

    -mike
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    Well, Flatirons Subaru finally got one exactly right... They're very professional, attentive and knowledgable about the car, but prone to minor oversights which get irritating over the long haul.

    We did the 30k today, on time and under budget. They also ran me 15 miles each way twice, once to work, once back to pick it up, no charge or hassle.

    Used my Subaru M/C credits, came to $160 out of pocket ($360 total). Changed all the fluids, air filter, fuel filter, plugs, tire rotation and pressure (including spare), inspect everything (long list), csm, adjust drive belts, road test.

    Also cleaned the engine compartment and replaced the front cupholders under warranty. My d.w. managed to break the one side somehow.

    Nice to have that behind us. Now we just need to save our pennies for some new Dunlop SP A2's...
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    ...forgot to mention the front strut tower brace and rear sway bar mod I want, but can't justify right now... Tires will have to come first, not enough tread left for this winter anymore.

    :-)

    -brianV
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool, mike. Take your time, take lots of pics!

    Brian: e-mail parts@libertysubaru.com for quotes, they had the best prices I found for my cargo liner and leather shift knob.

    -juice
  • dstch82dstch82 Member Posts: 8
    Has any body compared the car insurance quote between a new 2003 Forester and a new 2002 Honda CRV?

    I called my insurance company, they told me that the CRV's (LX 4WD, auto) quote is 15 percent cheaper than the Forester's( X, auto). Can any one explain to me why? With AWD, 4 air bags, ABS and a better bumper collision record, the Forester's quote is supposed to be very close or even less. Note that the CRV LX 4WD&#146;s invoice price is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper, but I&#146;m afraid you can&#146;t have the CRV close to the invoice price.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    liberty subaru carries strut tower bars and rear sway bars for the '01 Forester ? The sway bar from the Impreza same MY fits, but I've been told that the front strut bar doesn't.

    Whose strut bars are you using ?
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    I checked with Progressive, which is currently my insurance company, and the insurance for the 2003 Forester X is cheaper than insuring the 2002 Honda CR-V LX 4WD, but by only 3%. I think for the insurance companies it's a battle between safety and fixing/replacement costs, though you would think they would calculate those bumper bashes...
  • jms338jms338 Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone have information regarding airbag failures in the Forester? Was reading the NHTSB complaint database and esp. for MY 2001 there were numerous (20% of total complaints) instances where the air bag did not deploy despite significant frontal impact. I realize that certain parameters regarding speed must be reached before the airbag deploys, I also know that all models of cars have complaints in the NHTSB about their airbags, but I was especially alarmed about the Forester considering its safety ratings and the fact that I am considering purchasing one.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Brian: I have the Subaru Performance Tuning front strut brace (the metal one, not the carbon fiber one) from the Impreza, and it fits perfectly. Wholesale is cheap, I forget exactly but it was in the $80-120 range.

    I have the 18mm rear sway from the original 2.5RS, also bolts right in. That was $82 at wholesale.

    Get quotes from insweb.com, they'll get rates from 8-9 companies, and they do vary a LOT. When I bought it, the Forester was cheaper to insure under State Farm vs. the CR-V, but when we bought my wife's car Travellers had Subies more expensive than the CR-V (but less than the 626 V6 we sold).

    We're not going to renew - I've found better prices and will change policies once ours expires (because it's alreay paid for).

    YMMV but shop around. IIHS bumper tests could affect the CR-V's rates long-term because the bumpers earned a "Poor" rating. One guy on the CR-V thread had $1500 of damage caused when his daughter backed into a pole, ouch. What stinks is that's probably not worth claiming - your rates go higher for the next 3 years if you have a claim.

    Bottom line: any differences are small. Look at the big picture. Which do you prefer? Buy the car you love, not the one your insurance salesman tells you to buy.

    Jeff: I've only heard one person complain about that the air bag did not go off in a collision, but it was not a frontal impact, so it wasn't supposed to. A couple of us have been hit from behind, but not the front.

    Maybe because the brakes are so good? :-)

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    Thanks for the info. Back to saving pennies...

    :)

    -brianV
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    fitzmall has XS Premiums with the 5 speed for just $22,324 now, wow!

    Tempting, but I'm holding out for a turbo!

    -juice
  • gregoreargregorear Member Posts: 5
    I ordered a Forester on August 2, 2002, and am still waiting on it 7 weeks later. I had chosen particular options rather than whole option packages, so there weren't any to be had from other dealers.

    My dealer told me they'd have to order from the factory, and that it could take 4-6 weeks. What I have since learned is that they omitted telling me that Subaru accepts orders only once a month--in my case, about 3 weeks after I placed the order.

    So now I'm having to wait perhaps until early October to get a car I ordered in the middle of summer. The dealer can offer nothing other than "I don't know why your salesman didn't tell you. We'll let you know when it gets here."

    Annoyed,

    Greg
  • abpr1abpr1 Member Posts: 3
    Greg,

    I went through the same deal in Spring --- but I caught the monthly window by one day. Still took 8 weeks...

    All I can say is hold in there, it is worth it. :-) I'm at 1200 miles now and loving every minute of it.

    Just need to figure out how easy the oil changes are going to be.

    Drew
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    7-8 weeks seems to be the norm; bummer that you just missed the cutoff for the previous month.

    I've always purchased off the lot, even if it had fewer options than I wanted. Then I'd just buy the rest from a wholesaler and install them myself.

    Hang in there, a couple of years from now you may not even remember. Meanwhile, what color? X or XS? 5 speed or auto?

    -juice
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