Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A secret bonus feature not in the press materials? ;-)

    -juice
  • allhorizonallhorizon Member Posts: 483
    I would think most people who cross-shop the WRX wagon and turbo Forester are practically minded and not too much concerned with the WRX face-lift.

    I find the front end a bit busy, but it could grow on me. Haven't seen a picture of the wagon, yet.

    Bonus feature - what are you talking about?

    - D
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I like the new look but as I said before, the old look wouldn't have kept me from buying one. What I don't like (and I'm likely in the minority here) are the Morette headlight conversions for the '02-03; they make the car look like a '62 Chrysler. See, e.g.


    http://www.timouth.com/newyorker.html



    I also like the standard oval '02-03 WRX lights over the JDM projectors or the WRC style. Those make the car look like an odd insect. I can see where detractors of the new car would compare it to a Corolla or call it cross-eyed, though. So what?

    Ed

  • kowskikowski Member Posts: 6
    Hello everyone. I purchased a 2003 Forester XS back in July. So far I am really enjoying this vehicle. It is fun to drive. Although the auto transmission seems to downshift a lot. But my question to anyone out there is with the auto climate control when you press for the windshield defrost mode I got cool air blowing on the windshield but very warm air was coming out of the two outer panel outlets. The temprature was set at 75. Is this a normal thing or should I see the dealer?
  • jimbob17jimbob17 Member Posts: 77
    When I shopped the 03 Forester I was afraid to drive the WRX because I might like it too much. I got the Forester. Yesterday we went to the Bloomsburg (Pa.) fair and the local Subaru dealer had a Baja and WRX as well as the other lineup. I couldnt resist and loaded my self into the WRX and the Baja.
    Both nice but not as roomy as the Forester. At 6'3+" and 235 pounds I like roominess. I made the right choice.
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    Too weird - I got in right on the hour and Bob and I were chatting fine in there and wondering where everyone was. It's open now, please try again!

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  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    I wrote before about the line of Foresters in the parking lot when I left work. This time, I was at a lot downtown and parked my Forester opposite an Outback. when I returned, there was a Forester next to mine, another next to the Outback, and one in the row behind it. There were only about 20 cars in the lot overall. Birds of a feather flock together?

    When I purchased my Forester in '98, I was surprised that my insurance, including collision and comprehensive, was only about 20% higher than the 9 year old base model Saab 900 that it replaced. In upstate New York, with 100/300/50 ocverage, it is now about $460 per year with State Farm. It helps that my driving record is clean and that I have other insurance with them and the accident prevention workshop discount, but no multi-car discount. The ABS and airbag discounts also help.

    I keep getting solicitations from other insurance companies claiming that they can beat my present rates. But one of them that advertises everywhere and claims to beat State Farm in most places, quoted me almost twice as much.

    It pays to shop around. I know someone with a horrendous driving record, who was able to reduce his premium by 20% through a reputable company by shopping, even though some other companies would not even consider insuring him. Different companies use different rating techniques and these seem to change from time to time.
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Heh -- you guys'll get a kick out of this.

    In my 2002 Subaru Forester S, I was attempting to turn left onto a very busy road last night
    from a gas station. I was very near the intersection, but there wasn't traffic coming through the green light, so I tried to turn and then get into the left turning lane at the light.

    Unfortunately, a $%#!ant BMW hotshot coming from the right -- from nearly two (2) blocks
    away -- sped up to thwart what should have been a relatively simple, safe left turn. I stopped in deference to the uber-speeder but lost my chance with traffic coming through the intersection from the left.

    So, I backed up the driveway into the gas station parking lot...without looking. DOH! My wife
    saw it happening before I did. The lady behind me, whom I had noted mentally while pumping gas -- "Lady -- you need to friggin' learn to park that car of yours." -- lurched forward thinking that I wasn't coming back into the parking lot.
    BOOM! Bumper meets bumper, and I have to park the car and see what the damage is.

    Sure enough, her car is fine, and she's asking me, "Did you have to do that?" All I can say is, "Yeah, lady. Kind of had to, since I was cut off from my left turn and sticking out in the middle of oncoming traffic." I didn't mention that -- OOPS! -- I should have looked back before backing up. Anyway, she pulls her early 90s era crap-mobile Acura Legend, revealing a completely crushed in right rear bumper corner on my poor Forester.

    POOF! Crushed bumper gone in a matter of 2-3 seconds. What the hell?!

    The darn thing fixed itself after a second or two. A minor paint scrape (barely visible), and no
    shift in the lines of the bumper with the back of the car.

    I thanked the car gods and made my way to Pep Boys to get what I was out driving for
    anyway -- wiper blades for my wife's car.

    Thank you Subaru for the "Christine-Like-Possessed-Car-That-Repairs-Crushed-Bumpers"
    feature on my Forester! That wasn't in the manual! WOOHOO!

    burnsmr4
  • jburjbur Member Posts: 4
    If using a hydraulic jack on the Forester, where are the best locations for lifting the vehicle at both the front and rear? I am a first time Forester owner and would appreciate some advice from some experienced owners.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Crossmember in the front
    Rear diffy in the rear

    -mike
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    If you only need to lift one corner at a time, such as for changing a tire, you can also use the jacking points shown in the owners manual. This is where I jack my Forester up when rotating tires.

    Len
  • infrasubinfrasub Member Posts: 6
    Hello everyone. I'm new to Town Hall but have been reading it for sometime now. Have a 99 forester S auto trans with 45k on it. Its been great reading all the posts and I've really learned alot about my car and Subaru Owners. I hope to trade my wifes GM car in on a new Subaru next year if things go as planned, sure would like to see a new turbo Forester in the garage next to my old one. We have a real good dealer were I live and the Forester has been by far the best car I've owned. I hope to be able to contribute some info to Town Hall once and awhile now.

    Thank you all
    Dave
  • clayman1clayman1 Member Posts: 41
    I'm sure you will be helpful with feedback and stories of your Subie.

    I'm considering a new Forester' 03. Just getting my trade-in in better condition.

    Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The bonus feature was the self-fixing bumper!

    I've used both points paisan describes, they get each axle off the ground (both front or both rear).

    I've also placed a peice of treated 2"x4" wood running from one jacking point to the other (to spread the load), and placed the jack between the two, to get one side of the vehicle off the ground.

    Yet another Dave! You'll fit right in, there are more Daves than any other name in Subaru-dom.

    -juice
  • hayduke01hayduke01 Member Posts: 128
    Bought my '02 S Premium 5 speed in March. Going beyond the general conclusion that I'm happy with my Forester, here's some more concrete info.

    Mileage: averaging around 25 in mixed driving. Lowest was just over 21; best was over 30. I even got 404 miles on one tank. That was almost all highway, some high elevation two lane, some Interstate. The Low Fuel Light does make frequent appearances.

    Performance: it's hard to quantify acceleration, cornering, or ride. On all of those, it definitely outperforms my Civic, which was roughly 1/2 the HP and 2/3 the weight. Has enough accelaration for even the truly impatient. That's odd, actually, because the Subie is so comfortable that I've actually gotten more patient. Feels very stable in tight turns or in highway cruising. I know it gets some comments on noise, but I haven't found it to be noisy.

    Cargo: easily holds my mountain bike in the back. Also handles other bulky items easily.

    Constructive Criticism: Only negative I have is the bug deflector. It decided to cut loose at 70 M.P.H. one day. Tried reinstalling, same problem later on the trip. Some minor damage to the paint from where it was flopping. Dealer's supposed to fix all that later this week.

    Buy Again? Currently I'd consider another Forester, but I usually keep my vehicles for a long time and many miles. A six speed manual and variable valve timing are improvements that would make me start thinking about a new one, but I doubt those will be around anytime soon. That's OK, since I'm not in a hurry. Looking forward to many good years with this Forester.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    burnsmr4 Sep 27, 2002 4:10pm

    and I thought my Self-Fixing bumper was a fluke :)
    GMC Jimmy backed up and reversed the corner of my front right bumper. Stayed that way for about 30 sec. and like you'd said 'POOF'. Except for half dozen of gouges, you won't noticed it had caved in.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Cool. Saturn, eat your heart out.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    400+ miles is great.

    Subaru has variable valve timing in Japan, they call is AVCS. I'd like to see it here, too, though it adds more precise emissions control rather than brute power.

    A 6 speed? Maybe with the turbo? Or a limited edition STi? Hopefully.

    -juice
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Hi, folks,

    I'm the owner of the '02 Subaru Forester S with the self-repairing bumper. I'm less than 500 miles away from my next oil change -- around 12,000 miles (I changed it late at the 7500 mile service). And I've already got a case of Castrol Syntec to make the switch from regular to synthetic oil.

    Is this the way to go? I've seen so many people recommend switching even before getting this many miles on their cars. I assume it will be good for the engine in the long run.

    Oddly enough, there wasn't a difference in 6-quart case prices between the different brands, at least at PepBoys. Mobil 1 was the same price as the Castrol Syntec. Go figure. It's a scam, I tell ya! ;-)

    Comments are welcome.

    burnsmr4
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    I have used both regular and synthetic and am not sure of the advantage although theoretically the synthetic is superior. I have had all of my cars (over a period of 40 years) but one on regular oil; I keep my cars an average of 8 years/90,000 miles, and garaged. Never had one burn oil or had a serious engine problem. Since 93 I have used synthetic in my 91mazda MX6, now with 90+ k on it. No problems there also; the problem is that unless you change your own oil you pay a real premium for having it done at a garage: in the range of $40. My current 99Suburu S, and 96 Millenium S use the conventional oil and I will stick with that.
  • jimbob17jimbob17 Member Posts: 77
    My father who was an auto and airplane mechanic said use stock replacements on stock cars cause thats how they were designed. I've followed that without regret. Seeing the price on synthetic was a factor as well.
    But on the other hand my father was practical and so am I. No spirit of adventure there. What the hey do what you think is right.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If you do it, change now, don't wait. Read about Toyota's sludge issue and that'll justify the synthetic for you.

    Mind you, I'm still on dino oil, but I have shortened my intervals.

    -juice
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    ...is the Toyota sludge issue. A co-worker made the switch when he heard about it and what it would do to his new Highlander.
  • abpr1abpr1 Member Posts: 3
    I bought a 03 XS about 2.5 months ago and plan on going over to synthetic at the 3K point. Checked the recent chats and it looked like the SOA techs were recommending an early shift if you do it.

    I also own an RX300 that had sludge problems (had the engine replaced at 32K miles under warranty) and have switched over to synthetic there as well.

    FWIW, a co-worker with an 02 Mercedes just got a letter in the mail from Mercedes saying due to some sludge issues they were seeing that they were going to be switching over ALL Mercedes that get serviced at the dealership to synthetic and that new cars were going to come off the line with synthetic.

    Drew
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wow, the engine replaced? I'm glad Lexus got that fixed for you, hopefully at no charge?

    I think all Bimmers already use synthetic. Maybe not all, but at least some models do.

    -juice
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    I have been driving my wife's '02 Forester for over a week (since she's recuperating from surgery) and have noticed the 'marbles in a coffee can' sound when accelarating in city driving. (Is this "pinging" or "knocking"?) It is particularly bad from about 2-3000 RPM's. Then, this weekend while attempting to accelarate on a freeway on-ramp, it was particularly sluggish. This was after filling up with a full tank and adding a bottle of Techron. Today as I parked in the garage, I noticed a strong rotten-egg smell.
    I have also been tracking the mileage for the past 2K and it has been pretty poor (average = 18-19mpg).
    Any thoughts what my problem(s) might be? Could it be a bad O2 sensor, problem with the cat?
    Thanks,
    Ron
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like you're doing all the right things. I'd try one more - run it up to redline a couple of times, which will get rid of any carbon deposits in the cylinders.

    The only other thing I can think of is condensation (water) in the gas line. I think Kate tried a bottle of Dry Gas and it solved a similar problem for her.

    18-19 mpg is highly unusual, though. My worst ever was 20.7mpg, and that's when I was on the beach, literally, parked on sand for 7 days.

    That's an issue for a dealer to check out though. It could be spark timing (ECU controlled I believe), a bad knock sensor, or a bad 02 sensor sending the wrong signals. I'm sort of surprised you don't have a CEL as well.

    -juice
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    My worst ever was 20.7mpg, and that's when I was on the beach, literally, parked on sand for 7 days.

    If it was parked for 7 days, how exactly did you calculate the mileage? ;-)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Um, the drive to the gas station and back? ;-)

    -juice
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Oh, of course! Just remember next time to turn the engine off when parked for extended periods! ;-)

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  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    Wouldn't the Techron take care of any water in the fuel line?
    Is the pinging (marbles) that I hear pre-ignition detonation ? Is that something that the dealer can remedy?
    Also, CEL has never popped on.
    Thanks again,
    Ron
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not sure. Techron has detergents to clean the FI system, and it's effective, but I'm not sure it absorbs water like Dry Gas does.

    My Miata will make that sound if I'm in too low a gear (i.e. starting in 2nd). My timing is adjusted manually, and I've advanced mine 4 degrees. This is risky - when the engine is under load it can ping.

    The Subie boxer is more modern, and has a knock sensor that will automatically retard ignition timing. You can't adjust this manually - the ECU takes care of that.

    That's why I suspect your ECU or knock sensor could be malfunctioning.

    -juice
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    that's helpfull. I'm definitely going to have the dealer check it out. I just hope they don't give me the ubiquitous "can't replicate" if no codes are stored in the ECU.
    I'll cross my fingers and maybe try a bottle of Dry Gas in the next tankfull. What the heck, its a cheap solution if it works.
    Ron
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    can't find a code, take a drive with the tech and demonstrate it for him/her. I bet they will know where to look right away after that.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    rangerron7,

    The rotten-egg smell may not be a faulty cat, but just the brand of gasoline you use. I've had that happen in the winter time once or twice. Usually changing the brand of gas will make it go away.

    Ken
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I think there's "dry gas" and then there's "dry gas". The old saw was that fuel injected cars should use the reddish bottle while the older cars were ok with the yellow bottles. Probably something to do with the formulation, alcohol presence, etc.

    Does this ring any bells?

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  • rjweissrjweiss Member Posts: 20
    Hi,

    My 98 forester clutch is starting to chatter big time again.

    This is the 2nd clutch since having the first replaced at 25k or so. Present mileage is 60k.

    I am dreading the thought of going to the dealer and hearing the same bs I did the last time "It must be the way I drive and they never heard of a clutch problem before with Foresters"

    Does anyone know if they have changed their tune and are there any tech bulletins on the problem out there?

    Thanks

    Ron Weiss
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    << The rotten-egg smell may not be a faulty cat >>

    In our case, it's usually a faulty dog. ;)

    Bob
  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    My '98 has 68,000 miles on it and I had the clutch changed at 44k. I am also experiencing some chatter now that it is getting colder this season. It has been OK, once the clutch has been used a few times. But that was what happened before, and it kept getting worse. And just yesterday, I began to hear a squeal as the clutch is let out, even after prolonged driving. So, I am beginning to worry, too.

    They fixed it last time under warranty after checking to see if the clutch disk was glazed. It was glazed unevenly, which they said was a result of a defect, so they fixed it for free. Otherwise it would have cost over $700. Now it doesn't matter since it is out of warranty, so I will have to pay if it gets worse.
  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    I have had several Saabs before getting my Subaru. I ran one on Mobil 1 (old formulation). It increased gas mileage by about 2 mpg (about 8%). But at that time, regular oils did not have synthetic components and were not designed to improve mileage.

    I stopped using the Mobil 1 in that car when, after several years of using it, I drove on a long trip and had to constantly stop and add oil as the oil warning light kept coming on. By the end of the trip, I had done a complete oil change to regular oil. There was no sign of a leak. It had been very hot, temperatures in the 90s, road speeds were in the 60s to 70s, and the Mobil 5W30 (the only formulation available then) had become so thin, and was apparently so slippery, that it had leaked past the rings and burned.

    Now, regular oils have additives that are designed to increase mileage. So, when I tried synthetic in my last Saab for several changes, there was no noticeable mileage improvement. So, I went back to regular oil.

    That car went 125,000 miles before its timing chain snapped (a typical problem with that engine). I had the opportunity to inspect the inside of the engine when it was torn down and found that there was no visible residue (carbon or otherwise). in fact, the engine looked brand new after 125k on regular 10W30 oil.

    I don't know about the carbon problem in Toyotas, but it could be because of poor design or unusual operating conditions. Anyway, I am now convinced that synthetics are not worth the extra cost.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    If we had a search function at Edmund's worthy of the name... oh never mind.

    Back in late May - early June I posted some information on Subie clutch disks and pressure plates regarding when they've been updated.

    If I recall correctly, there have been 4 updates to the clutch disk, and one to the pressure plate since 1998 - the most recent change was to the pressure plate for MY 03, I think.

    As it was described to me by a friendly Subaru tech, the biggest problem seems to be the material used in the clutch disk. Earlier versions were more sensitive to moisture and would chatter under humid conditions right after start up until they warmed up. This is often associated with cold weather due to condensation.

    If your clutch disk was replaced some time ago, as it seems from your post, then there's probably a better version out there by now.

    I've experienced very occasional chatter, nothing serious. It usually happens after I've been working out, so I tend to attribute it to poor footwork on my part. I think my pedal may be touchy.

    Considering that we tow a fair-sized pop-top camper, I'm not expecting my clutch to last forever. I had it checked at the beginning of this season, and my tech thought it was only worn about 20%, which would translate to a life-expectancy of 125k miles. That would be good :-).

    By the way, per Subaru.com, the clutch disk warranty for MY '01 Foresters was extended to 3/36 from 1/12. At the time I purchased, I took this to mean the factory had this problem licked.

    Sorry to hear of your problem. Time to get Patty involved ?

    Hth,

    -brianV
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Bsvoller, did you try the Advanced Search? It's new, and "unadvertised", since it's still being tested.

    I think this is your first clutch disk post in here:

    bsvoller Jun 3, 2002 2:59pm

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ron: 60k is kind of pushing it. Lots of clutches will wear out normally with that many miles, even though your "new" clutch has 35k miles. Work with your dealer and call SoA to open a case number, 800-SUBARU3.

    If it turns out you have to pay for it yourself, I'd consider an ACT clutch. It's about $300 for parts, and that's an upgraded one made for people that autocross and otherwise drive hard.

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    Thanks Steve, that's the one.

    I have to admit, I didn't bother to try the search based on previous experience...

    Looks like you guys have a very important upgrade in the works. Way to go !

    -brianV
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    that's a good point you make. I have only noticed the rotten egg smell this past tankfull, although the crummy mileage and pinging have been going on for a while. I usually alternate fuel from 4 different gas stations.
    Ron
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    I'm thinking 60k on a clutch with normal wear and tear is mighty short-lived. I've never worn one out in all my years of driving sticks, and I routinely take my cars to ~100k before retiring them.

    I've owned exactly one automatic in my entire life.

    Granted, I pride myself in a smooth take-off and transitions between gears. My feeling is that you shouldn't really feel a shift, only hear the engine sing.

    I also don't ride the clutch pedal when accelerating, and I don't engine brake when cornering as a rule. Brake pads are infinitely cheaper and easier to get at than clutch disks !

    YMMV

    -brianV
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    in Colorado, Don't hear about many 2+hrs of bumper to bumper traffic every day. So that could have an effect too.

    -mike
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    I've avoided the whole bumper to bumper bit, that's true.

    Denver is actually a lot worse now than, say, 10 years ago when we first moved here.

    Some of it is planning, you know. We "arrange our lives" so to speak, in such a way that we don't have a horrible commute.

    When I worked downtown (7 yrs), I rode the bus. Now that I'm working in the burbs, we bought a house close by. I know guys who commute 1.5 hrs each way, but it's not for me.

    I will not spend 10-15 hrs a week of my life sitting in traffic.

    Life's too short, even in a Subie.
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