Spent a lot of time deciding between the Toyota Highlander and the CR-V EX. Ended up with a silver EX Automatic . .and I think I made the right choice. This vehicle is actually a lot of fun to drive. Picked it up on Thursday . . .$500 under MSRP. Everything was exactly right about the vehicle at the time of delivery, except for the tire pressure. Had just a tad under 40 psi. I lowered it to 26.5 psi. Just drives great. Love this SUV. Separately, there's a big difference between Honda and Toyota. They drive very differently. I'm very pleased with my decision. Pete
Never really thought much about the mole, if you know what I mean. As I posted on the crvix board, there had been no repsonses to the stalling post until someone else replied with a similiar experience. If a cars stalls going 70 mph, not good. Up to this point, the stalling problem was the most serious, so wanted to see if we could get some answers. I had eliminated the competition in small suv's and it was either the cr-v or not buy anything. I'm sure a Cadillac rides better than a Kia. I've been prepared to accept certain 'drawbacks' in the cr-v - however I do draw the line on some things, specifically high levels of noise in the cabin. Leads to long tiring drives. When younger I could deal with it - I've reached an age where I can't or don't have to.
Hi bkly where will i get this deal 2002 crv ex auto with all the options in the tri-state area and is the price with or without taxes or anyother hidden charges. Thanks
Hey guys, I'm a first time poster. I've had my CR-V for 2 weeks, Silver EX-AT. Very nice ride, had to remove the center rear headrest for better visibility. The car seems quiet to me, anyway I always have my music blasting. Have 1,000 miles on it. Got 21.5mpg on first fillup and 25.5 on second. I see ppl on here are nit-picking about this vehicle, but I think it's in a class by itself. Only cross-shopped with the RAV4 and the CR-V won hands down. I lowered the psi to 28 and it rides very comfortable. This is my second honda vehicle and I must say that I'm impressed with this vehicle so far.
T-Hip - There are a number of CR-Vers relatively close to your area. I think we had a northwest group get together last Summer. There's also a very active group in CA if you don't mind driving down there.
Tomsr - Our TL is a 2000 model. Green with paper maps. I love it too, but it lacks the character of the CR-V.
Peterun - They over-inflate the tires prior to shipping to prevent "flat spotting". The dealer should reduce the tire pressure as part of their prep, but many forget to do it.
OK, you have a point about the floor mats. How about comparing the boots to mud guards. Both are rubber, installed in the wheel wells, protect the car from mud and salt tossed up by the tires. They generally serve the same purpose. The mud guards protect the exterior finish, the boots protect the engine area. Does adding mud guards "change the design", again I think not. The CR-V does not have a design flaw. I'm only trying to keep my engine a little cleaner. I also said parts of the sheet metal are not UNDERCOATED not UNPAINTED.
I took my CRV for it's first freeway drive and found the ride rough and did not have the power I expected.Thanks to these posts I checked the tire pressure and it was 40 psi.Hopefully when I drive it tomorrow I will notice a smoother ride.As for power around town it feels like a 6 but when doing 65 it doesn't feel like you could pass anything but a slow semi.Of couse I'm treating it gently during the breakin period.I'm thinking of getting the woodgrain kit,has anybody installed this themselves?Is it easy? I'm very handy with detail work.The dealer has had ask me to please give them Excellent ratings on a survey of their dealership and I can't in all honesty because the fact my car was not clean and the tire pressure was wrong.Am I knit picking?
Has anyone tried to paint their bumpers? I am putting in an order for an "02 EX and if I can't do anything about the black bumpers, I guess I'll have to get the side moulding in black unless somebody has a better suggestion. Also, I will be looking into the painted hard spare cover, but I am wondering if anyone knows if Mojave Mist is available. I'm new to this site, but so far it's really been interesting.
I thought it was a little strange that the cr-v's sold in Canada had painted bumpers. With the snow and road salt, I would think the black would hold up better. Personally, I like the black - makes it look like a suv, instead of a car. Finally got a chance to look at the Saturn Vue. It wasn't too bad but I think the cr-v is better ovrerall. I've seen posts complaining about the headlights on the '02 cr-v - has anyone noticed the headlights on the Vue - they look really wierd. The front end and the headlights just don't seem to go together.
I've posted a few times previously regarding the clicking noise from the solenoid. (I have an 02 EX auto) I now have 1600 miles on the V and have learned to live with it. My main concern was that it was not a safety flaw.
Anyways, I have a new concern. I've been keeping track of my milage and have been getting anywhere from 19.2 to 23.2 mpg. The higher of the 2 was mostly highway driving.
A few of my driving conditions: -I live in the northeast and have not used my AC. -I always have my headlights on. -Am usually the only one in the car. -I have never turned off the overdrive. -2700rpm @ 70mph
Is the milage supposed to get better as the car "breaks in"? does anybody have any suggestions or ideas? This seems very low compared to what other people have posted.
Also...does tire pressure have an effect on milage. I believe my tire pressure is higher than the recommended 26.5psi. Will it help if I lower them to this?
Thanks for any remarks.
PS i have been calculating the milage by resetting my trip odometer to zero at fill-up and then reading the trip odometer at the next fill-up dividing by the gallons filled.
Phillyguy - A number of owners have had the bumpers painted. I've tossed the idea around myself. Others have also painted the hard spare tires covers if you're interested in that. In fact, Slugline did a custom job on the spare for his Blue Betty.
Samstr - That does sound a bit low. It may just be a symptom of breaking the car in, which can take up to 5,000 miles. Keep tracking it. Your mileage should improve when the weather warms up. I see a consistent 2mpg drop every Winter. If it doesn't get any better, have your dealer check to make sure that the fuel to air mix is correct.
FWIW, I'm in the NE and average 25mpg in mixed driving with my '99 5 speed. I routinely get better than the EPA estimates, while others have lower averages.
It is easy for the EPA to predict highway mileage at a steady 60mph.City driving is totally different because of difference in numbers of stops and types of starts.My previous car was a 4 cylinder coupe and I would get low 20 mpg in my drive to work but 30 on the freeway.Heck I rented an oldsmobile and drove to Colorado one time and got 30.If I get at least 20 in my new CRV I will be happy because it is better than the 15 mpg the 98 Explorer I had at one time.
Just remember that Murphy's Law dictates that these surfaces are now 1000x more likely to get dinged than before they were painted. Or so it seems from my experience. <GRIN> But yes, I think the body-colored spare looks nicer.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml Oh, everyone with concerns about their observed gas mileage should at least understand the origin of those numbers on the window sticker. Pay very close attention to how the "city" test is conducted.
In another TH forum, I had a dialog with someone who was perplexed by the gas mileage he/she was getting. The car in question has one of the highest EPA ratings you can find for something that burns unleaded, but it was doing no better than the mid-size SUV that was just traded in. I quizzed the poster a little more, and as it turns out: -- His/her commute is only three miles each way. -- Each trip begins by idling the engine until it's up to temp. -- It's currently winter in NORTH DAKOTA. These conditions definitely don't mimic the EPA protocol. <GRIN>
Concerning the CR-V's appeal to women: The demographics for CR-V buyers has traditionally reflected a near-perfect 50/50 split between men and women. I don't know if this is anything special for a mini-SUV, but it's pretty obvious that this vehicle has never been marketed specifically as an outlet for high testosterone levels.
The EPA puts cars on a treadmill, so right off the bat that doesn't account for aerodynamic drag. The highway test does not exceed 60mph, too. It's really only a guesstimate.
The "chick car" argument comes up with my Miata all the time. Despite the fact that most owners are male (by far, it's not even close). More specifically, affluent middle-aged married men.
My usual response is:
* yes, it's a cute car, so what, it handles * yes, it's a total babe-magnet * gorgeous women ask me about it all the time * and this is a problem WHY? * OK I'm married, so I have to beat them away with a stick * is that a problem for a single guy?
LOL ... something tells me that the babe magnet response would be much more effective when referring to a Miata. I never even once considered sex appeal as a buying criteria before buying my CR-V. Hey....but if it works who am I to complain!
I've just past 2000 miles on my 02' V over the weekend, so far we really love it! I didn't have stalling problem nor rocking seat. I do have the solenoid clicking noise but it doesn't bother me. I would be more concern if I have the rocking seat problem. Wouldn't that be a safety issue? About stalling engine, about 9-10 years ago, I had had stalling problem after getting "bad" gas from a gas station that I never used before(a 76 gas station if I remember correctly). It was during winter in Michigan. I ended up pumping the gas as much out of my gas tank and filled up with the gas I usually used. I am not sure whether it is the case for that stalling CR-V mentioned. But if it is an isolated incidence, I am not worry about it.
My EX AT gets an average of 24mpg, 60/40 highway/city mixed. I usually don't go above 75mph and my city driving isn't bumper to bumper driving either. I have Brigestones Dueler, but I think my V is still pretty quiet on highway(make sure you check your tire pressure). Noise is a very subjective thing and it depends a lot on your expectation too. For a low $20k SUV, I didn't expect it to be quiet like a luxury sedan. Personally I prefer black bumper. Stone chips just get so noticeable on painted bumper. Painting a bumper and making it lasts is not as simple as you think. You may end up painting it over and over again. I am looking for a bug deflector. Does anyone have any luck getting one for the new V?
OK, so the Miata is more of a babe magnet, but if the CR-V appeals to more women than men, is that really a problem?
Women are more practical, price-conscious buyers, without testosterone telling them they need a rock-hopping SUV to get to the grocery store around the corner.
It cost $59 and cost around $19 to ship to the northeast and it is high quality! I installed it myself in 15 minutes using a headlamp at 9 at night because I couldn't wait to intall it!
A way for a dealer to make more money!! Many charge $698 for what they call protection package against the elements to the outside of the car and protection against human activity (aka kids) to the inside. It is NOT worth it. A good wax job and a can of scotch gaurd is all you need. Some dealers will automatically put this on their cars and put an additional sticker stating this and will tell you that it is already on and YOU, the buyer have to pay for it - I would walk away from that dealer - it is a rip-off.
daveghh - Thank you for the link! That hood guard looks good. By looking at that photo, I think it enhanced the look of the front end with our black bumper. Do you have any photos of your V that you can share? Does it require any drilling? What I am really interested is how well it works as a bug deflector. The route my wife takes to go to work gets so many bugs in spring and summer time. I guess you didn't get much chance to find that out since it is still kind of cold this time of year in the NE. Can anyone share their experience on bug deflector on 1st gen V?
daveghh - That link you posted refers to a product code of 750HG. That is in fact made by Perfect Fit and I just installed one last weekend on my V. Piece of cake to install and looks good to.
rburnard & tmanmiata - rburnard, nice picture of your V! You have inspired me to take a picture of my crv tomorrow afternoon with my bug deflector. Since mine is a silver LX and has a black bumber it looks a little different.
rburnard - very nice picture! daveghh - my V is in silver too, would love to see how the deflector looks on a silver V. Could you take a picture on the side to show the profile of the deflector? Compare to other 1st gen deflector I have seen, this deflector seems to have a pretty low profile. If the profile is too high it may generate too much wind noise. But if it is too low, it may not be very effective as a stone/buy deflector.
I agree it is a profit increaser and what it includes may vary by dealer.Mine had mudguards,door edge protectors,cargo tray,pinstripes,paint protector,wheel locks, spare tire cover,but I did not pay for them.THe dealers around here are all adding this package but if you order a CRV it will not have the stuff so you will pay msrp or less if you can find a dealer ready to deal.Usually the sticker will say $600 + a markup of $500 to $1000 and that will vary with location of the dealer.Near the Naval Base it is +$1000 but 30 miles away it is $500.Ignore the stickers!Go to the internet and find the internet contact and bypass the normal salesman.
place to buy extras for my CRV like the hood guard, rack, wheel locks, etc. Are these legitimate Honda OEM parts or not. Where else would someone reccoemnd.
Zops: Almost everything at that site is genuine honda parts. The only item I can think of that is not a genuine part is the hood gaurd. I have the hood gaurd and its quality meets honda standards in my eyes. When I get a chance I am taking a picture of the hood gaurd on my 02 silver LX.
Make a note of the address and/or telephone number of the website operator (all legitimate e-commerce sites should have this listed somewhere). Then load up http://www.hondacars.com and search for dealers in the operator's city and state -- you should get an exact match somewhere. Just remember that in the end, Genuine Honda parts are sold by Honda dealers. But just like many people, the dealer franchises like to adopt an alter ego when they go online.
I finally narrowed my choices to a CR-V (was looking at the Forrester and Outback). Currently have a down pmt on a 2002 EX MT (should be in next week), but the day after I signed, I found an internet place that offers it for $1300 less (would be $900 savings after a freight charge, I got a list of any extra charges, there shouldn't be any 'secret' ones). Their e-mail was just a bit late, eh?.
Are any of you experienced at buying cars? Is there any way out of the purchase agreement if the car won't be in for a few days/a week (dealer still can't give me an exact day). I called my dealer and they can't (i.e. won't) budge on the price, and won't offer any accessories unless I lease or buy warranties.
I'm told most people are paying at or above MSRP. From what I see here this seems to be true, so I don't feel too suckered, but I'd like to save some $$ if possible.
By the way, I checked out a few of the places in previous posts regarding accessories. I'm checking out the hard wheel cover, and cargo tray or cargo mat (any preferences?). Will wait with the roof rack as there's a lot of room in the back as it is.
I have about 300 miles on my CRV and I have a noticed a lot of brake dust on front wheels,has anybody else experienced this?Usually it means they used a soft pad to save wear on the rotors. Would those dust guards which are plastic disc that go on behind the wheel help or would the brakes overheat?My red V is pretty but seems to attract dust.I'm getting the woodgrain kit,it should be here tomorrow.
Gtlhm, which dealer gave you the deal? If payment is refundable I think you can just tell them you got a better deal? What does the purchase agreement say? Might be in there.
I live in Queens NY does anyone know of a dealer who would sell the crv ex auto for a good deal. Every dealer wants msrp I read bayridge sells for 500 under msrp but dont know the person name.
h1vc: Thanks for responding. The purchase agreement is a binding contract, so technically I can't get the deposit back unless they break the contract. My proposal on how to get out of it--put it on the dealer by saying I don't have my car yet-- might be a bit of a streach. Just wondering if there may be any lawyers out there.
It wouldn't hurt to ask the salesman if you can back out. You don't have to tell them why - just that you changed your mind. CR-V's are a hot selling commodity now and they should have no trouble selling it to someone else. When I put a deposit down on my V the salesman said that it was refundable and that they only made them non-refundable when the purchaser was ordering something unusual. Even if you signed an agreement that states the deposit is non-refundable, they may let you off the hook. I see no reason for them to play hard ball. Good luck.
Test drive your crv before you take delivery of it. Make sure it doesn't have ANY KIND of problems, if it does have the dealer fix it before you drive it home, if they can't or refuse have them get you another crv or let you out of your contract because when you signed the contract you thought you were buying a problem free vehicle and since its not a problem free vehicle you shouldn't have to buy it? If they try to get you another crv but can't ask them to release you from the contract for the same reason.
If the savings from mark roberts is more than what you'll lose by pulling out, then go with roberts.
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As I posted on the crvix board, there had been no repsonses to the stalling post until someone else replied with a similiar experience. If a cars stalls going 70 mph, not good. Up to this point, the stalling problem was the most serious, so wanted to see if we could get some answers. I had eliminated the competition in small suv's and it was either the cr-v or not buy anything. I'm sure a Cadillac rides better than a Kia. I've been prepared to accept certain 'drawbacks' in the cr-v - however I do draw the line on some things, specifically high levels of noise in the cabin. Leads to long tiring drives. When younger I could deal with it - I've reached an age where I can't or don't have to.
Bay Ridge Honda, Brooklyn.
Tomsr - Our TL is a 2000 model. Green with paper maps. I love it too, but it lacks the character of the CR-V.
Peterun - They over-inflate the tires prior to shipping to prevent "flat spotting". The dealer should reduce the tire pressure as part of their prep, but many forget to do it.
found the ride rough and did not have the power I expected.Thanks to these posts I checked the tire pressure and it was 40 psi.Hopefully when I drive it tomorrow I will notice a smoother ride.As for
power around town it feels like a 6 but when doing
65 it doesn't feel like you could pass anything
but a slow semi.Of couse I'm treating it gently
during the breakin period.I'm thinking of getting
the woodgrain kit,has anybody installed this themselves?Is it easy? I'm very handy with
detail work.The dealer has had ask me to please give them Excellent ratings on a survey of their dealership and I can't in all honesty because
the fact my car was not clean and the tire pressure was wrong.Am I knit picking?
Also, I will be looking into the painted hard spare cover, but I am wondering if anyone knows if Mojave Mist is available.
I'm new to this site, but so far it's really been interesting.
Finally got a chance to look at the Saturn Vue. It wasn't too bad but I think the cr-v is better ovrerall. I've seen posts complaining about the headlights on the '02 cr-v - has anyone noticed the headlights on the Vue - they look really wierd. The front end and the headlights just don't seem to go together.
Anyways, I have a new concern. I've been keeping track of my milage and have been getting anywhere from 19.2 to 23.2 mpg. The higher of the 2 was mostly highway driving.
A few of my driving conditions:
-I live in the northeast and have not used my AC.
-I always have my headlights on.
-Am usually the only one in the car.
-I have never turned off the overdrive.
-2700rpm @ 70mph
Is the milage supposed to get better as the car "breaks in"? does anybody have any suggestions or ideas? This seems very low compared to what other people have posted.
Also...does tire pressure have an effect on milage. I believe my tire pressure is higher than the recommended 26.5psi. Will it help if I lower them to this?
Thanks for any remarks.
PS i have been calculating the milage by resetting my trip odometer to zero at fill-up and then reading the trip odometer at the next fill-up dividing by the gallons filled.
i think this method is pretty accurate.
Cold weather = lower gas mileage.
It will improve as the engine breaks in.
Actual city mileage = about 30% less than EPA city estimate
Actual highway mileage = about the same as EPA highway estimate
So using this rule for a 2002 CR-V 4wd, the actual mileage is likely to be about 16 city, and 26 highway(EPA is 22/26).
When I go on faster highways such as 65 to 70 mph, I get about 25 to 27 mpg.
City driving I have been getting 22 to 23 mpg. One time I only got 21 mpg.
I keep track everytime, it is easy... I set aside the "trip B" for mileage calcs.... takes two seconds at the pump!
Samstr - That does sound a bit low. It may just be a symptom of breaking the car in, which can take up to 5,000 miles. Keep tracking it. Your mileage should improve when the weather warms up. I see a consistent 2mpg drop every Winter. If it doesn't get any better, have your dealer check to make sure that the fuel to air mix is correct.
FWIW, I'm in the NE and average 25mpg in mixed driving with my '99 5 speed. I routinely get better than the EPA estimates, while others have lower averages.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml
Oh, everyone with concerns about their observed gas mileage should at least understand the origin of those numbers on the window sticker. Pay very close attention to how the "city" test is conducted.
In another TH forum, I had a dialog with someone who was perplexed by the gas mileage he/she was getting. The car in question has one of the highest EPA ratings you can find for something that burns unleaded, but it was doing no better than the mid-size SUV that was just traded in. I quizzed the poster a little more, and as it turns out:
-- His/her commute is only three miles each way.
-- Each trip begins by idling the engine until it's up to temp.
-- It's currently winter in NORTH DAKOTA.
These conditions definitely don't mimic the EPA protocol. <GRIN>
Concerning the CR-V's appeal to women: The demographics for CR-V buyers has traditionally reflected a near-perfect 50/50 split between men and women. I don't know if this is anything special for a mini-SUV, but it's pretty obvious that this vehicle has never been marketed specifically as an outlet for high testosterone levels.
And I love the black bumpers, this ain't a sedan.
The "chick car" argument comes up with my Miata all the time. Despite the fact that most owners are male (by far, it's not even close). More specifically, affluent middle-aged married men.
My usual response is:
* yes, it's a cute car, so what, it handles
* yes, it's a total babe-magnet
* gorgeous women ask me about it all the time
* and this is a problem WHY?
* OK I'm married, so I have to beat them away with a stick
* is that a problem for a single guy?
;-)
-juice
About stalling engine, about 9-10 years ago, I had had stalling problem after getting "bad" gas from a gas station that I never used before(a 76 gas station if I remember correctly). It was during winter in Michigan. I ended up pumping the gas as much out of my gas tank and filled up with the gas I usually used. I am not sure whether it is the case for that stalling CR-V mentioned. But if it is an isolated incidence, I am not worry about it.
My EX AT gets an average of 24mpg, 60/40 highway/city mixed. I usually don't go above 75mph and my city driving isn't bumper to bumper driving either. I have Brigestones Dueler, but I think my V is still pretty quiet on highway(make sure you check your tire pressure). Noise is a very subjective thing and it depends a lot on your expectation too. For a low $20k SUV, I didn't expect it to be quiet like a luxury sedan.
Personally I prefer black bumper. Stone chips just get so noticeable on painted bumper. Painting a bumper and making it lasts is not as simple as you think. You may end up painting it over and over again.
I am looking for a bug deflector. Does anyone have any luck getting one for the new V?
Miata is no "chick car"
Women are more practical, price-conscious buyers, without testosterone telling them they need a rock-hopping SUV to get to the grocery store around the corner.
-juice
www.colleghillshonda.com
here is the actual link to the what they call hood gaurd.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/parts/extension/crv/2002crv.htm
It cost $59 and cost around $19 to ship to the northeast and it is high quality! I installed it myself in 15 minutes using a headlamp at 9 at night because I couldn't wait to intall it!
Thanks!
daveghh - my V is in silver too, would love to see how the deflector looks on a silver V. Could you take a picture on the side to show the profile of the deflector?
Compare to other 1st gen deflector I have seen, this deflector seems to have a pretty low profile. If the profile is too high it may generate too much wind noise. But if it is too low, it may not be very effective as a stone/buy deflector.
spare tire cover,but I did not pay for them.THe dealers around here are all adding this package
but if you order a CRV it will not have the stuff
so you will pay msrp or less if you can find a
dealer ready to deal.Usually the sticker will
say $600 + a markup of $500 to $1000 and that will vary with location of the dealer.Near the Naval Base it is +$1000 but 30 miles away it is $500.Ignore the stickers!Go to the internet and find the internet contact and bypass the normal salesman.
Where else would someone reccoemnd.
Are any of you experienced at buying cars? Is there any way out of the purchase agreement if the car won't be in for a few days/a week (dealer still can't give me an exact day). I called my dealer and they can't (i.e. won't) budge on the price, and won't offer any accessories unless I lease or buy warranties.
I'm told most people are paying at or above MSRP. From what I see here this seems to be true, so I don't feel too suckered, but I'd like to save some $$ if possible.
By the way, I checked out a few of the places in previous posts regarding accessories. I'm checking out the hard wheel cover, and cargo tray or cargo mat (any preferences?). Will wait with the roof rack as there's a lot of room in the back as it is.
Thanks for any help.
Would those dust guards which are plastic disc that go on behind the wheel help or would the brakes overheat?My red V is pretty but seems to attract dust.I'm getting the woodgrain kit,it should be here tomorrow.
Gtlhm, which dealer gave you the deal? If payment is refundable I think you can just tell them you got a better deal? What does the purchase agreement say? Might be in there.
ssoto1: check out www.autoinvoice.com
Test drive your crv before you take delivery of it. Make sure it doesn't have ANY KIND of problems, if it does have the dealer fix it before you drive it home, if they can't or refuse have them get you another crv or let you out of your contract because when you signed the contract you thought you were buying a problem free vehicle and since its not a problem free vehicle you shouldn't have to buy it? If they try to get you another crv but can't ask them to release you from the contract for the same reason.
If the savings from mark roberts is more than what you'll lose by pulling out, then go with roberts.