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I agree about the lack of a dead pedal, though. I hope this is something that is remedied with the 5 speed, as I also missed having one.
I didn't notice a significant blind spot during either of my test drives, but the view out the rear is more restricted than the '01 model. The spare isn't a big problem, but the window is smaller to accommodate the one piece door.
P.S. Thankseverybody's info on legroom
P.S. Thankseverybody's info on legroom
Just got the CR 2002 Buying Guide and noticed the Odyssey and the new Civic are only rated "average" in reliability. The '99 Ody was troublesome, but they seemed to improve on it (a big concern for me since we're shopping it) after the first year. But the Civic has been a red-dot earner ever since I can remember! I can hardly believe it.
I'm sure Honda will bounce back. They at least seem to learn from their mistakes.
Visibility to the rear and sides is important when you are backing up, not just when changing lanes. The wider pillars reduce visibility a bit, I'm sure, but different heights and shapes may find this less or more of a problem. Definitely something to check out on a test drive, no matter what car you drive.
Wheel well - is there any serviceable item behind it, such as an oil filter or dipsticks for fluids? Maybe there is a reason they left it open.
-juice
Australia/New Zealand.....not only do they get Nissan's excellent X-Trail, their CR-V's get (in addition to the 15x6" steel/205-70/15's) a wheel & tire upgrade...16x6.5" alloys/205-65-16's.
See European Honda site for the New Zealand review.
http://www.europeanhonda.demon.nl/index.htm
I have a 99 Odyssey about to go off of warranty. Any one know of a site to buy the HondaCare extended service contract at a discount?
I drove the 2002 CRV today, and was impressed with the pick-up around town and on the highway. Merging did not seem to be a problem. The auto shifted nicely, and on the highway not a lot of noise.
I guess that the dealer didn't know about the recall concerning the seat belts.
Honda is pretty secretive about invoice prices, they seem to be the last to get published. But right now it does not matter much, given you'll pay close to MSRP.
-juice
I think it is hideous, but I may end up getting it anyway since I want the Chianti Red Pearl exterior.
Try this for extended warranties: get a quote from One Source, who is an Edmunds.com partner. Then ask Honda if they'll match it. At a minimum you'll have a reference price to work with.
-juice
Hondaist - For invoice price, check my post #3664. I understand that most dealers don't want to share that infomation.
"my selling price on a 2002 crv ex, automatic , is $21,356.00 , plus $49.50 documentary"
Under the assumption that they are selling for 316 over invoice, that would put invoice + dest = 21040. I forgot what dest is.
I'm sitting on the fence right now concerning the CR-V. I want a chance to "stomp" on it at 60 mph as recommended (Thanks, btw).
Regarding the seat being too high - there is a control for the seat height. Had the same thing happen to me. Maybe your salesman did not want to sell you the car :-)
Wonder how the seat fits him?
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JRS/C: nope, but I have considered one for my Miata. They are $3500 or so, pricey but the very best quality and completely removable if you have to get rid of the vehicle for any reason.
For a CR-V, figure 205hp for about $26 grand with an EX 5 speed. That's a power to weight ratio you don't need to figure to like!
-juice
thanks for your thoughts!
jeff
That's when the bad news came. To make a long story short, yesterday Honda had sent out a stop sales/delivery order on all 2002 CR-Vs and they could not let me take the car. The E-mail from Honda, which they only received that morning after I left, referred to a potential seat belt problem.
To Mark Roberts credit they were very responsive and brought all their managers to talk to me, but I was 700 miles from home and no car. They offered to rent a car to get me home but I did not want to drive 700 miles and still not have the car. They also offered to fly me home and asked what else they could do to make things right.
Fortunately, I had the remaining half of the frequent flyer ticket I used to get there and got a reservation on the next flight out.
We prepared all the paperwork for the sale and they are going to ship the car to my home when Honda starts releasing CR-Vs again. No telling when that will be though.
In the long run, if they release the car relatively soon I will be better off having the car shipped and saved myself the long drive in the new car. I have the temporary tags, owners manual, two sets of the key for the car and everything, but no car.
Does anyone know anything about this seat belt problem and the stop sales order? They did not have any more information.
It is funny that a local dealer called me this afternoon and offered me to test drive the new CR-V this evening. Doesn't this apply to dealers nationwide?
This time last year there was a lot of discussion on the MDX board about Canadian vehciles, and warranties. The consensus was that US dealers would not honor a Canadian warranty. Probably not a problem if you live in Detroit or Buffalo, but otherwise potentially a serious problem.
Several people said that they saved enough to purchase a third-party warranty and still come out ahead by buying Canadian.
Never did buy the MDX. While I gave it some serious thought, just couldn't bring myself to spend $35k or $40k on a vehcile. My first house wasn't much more than that, though it wasn't quite as fast.
Here's my questions--they have a '01 SE - Silver, leather--price is $21,500--1.9%-3.9% financing.
What do the experts here think? Is that a good deal. It has about $1600 in extra's. (tweeters, front mud flaps, skid plate, roof rack, arm rest/pass, cargo mat, upgraded audio)
Thanks for all your comments, both pro's and con's -- I love reading others thoughts! Maureen
I had the whole afternoon free , so went playing with cars. Test drove a Highlander. Powerful engine but brake pedal is soft like a sponge,no road feel at all. Steering and handling feels numb.
Drove a Liberty, feels more powerful than newV even though magazine tests are slower. Wind noise pronuounced at hiway speed. A little tipsy around corners. Very tall seats. Feel like a quality built but ruled out for poor gas milage.
Went to Gillman Honda in Rosenberg. You all already know no test drive allowed. they got 3 LX, white red and mohavi. The Mohavi was in the shop getting claddings installed. Nice color. NewV is parked next to an 01 and a Passport. NewV is huge compared to 01, longer and much bulkier in all areas. Almost Passport sized. I think 01 is cuter and better proportioned.
Also went to Russel Smith near the dome. They got green, white and black LX. One silver EX already sold. MSRP only. Roof crossbars are $800. They think it will be a week before recall can be rsolved.
The Toyota dealer had about 15 customer, Jeep/Chrysler 6 customers when I went there. Neither Honda dealder had a single customer beside me. The incentives must be hurting Honda.
Am watching Goldfinger while I type, James Bond is driving a beautiful roadster.
Even with sedan-hatchback-wagon variants (and a lower price), the Focus was never able to keep pace with the Civic.
But that 0% APR is going to hurt in the long run.
That is about the most amazing story I've heard about customer service from a dealer. Mark Roberts Honda sure do have their act together - I'm glad you're rewarding them with your purchase. Are they performing a recall on the seat belt? I think it's a resonsible act that Honda is performing to stop sales before the defects get in the hands of customers. I hope they fix your CR-V soon and get it out to you.
Best of luck to you.
They can't afford losses from 0% APR like Ford or GM, or even Chrysler. And for their sake, I hope they don't resort to such tactics. Both Nissan and Honda have already announced that they've cut back on their car sales goals.
It would be a shame to see this car brand go away.
Maureenk - I would stick it out for the '02. IMHO, the improvements in safety, emissions, and comfort are worth the wait and the difference in price.
Emissions: Is this even a factor in people's car buying decision? Maybe a tree hugging sqirrels. I'm very green myself(I bot one of the first electric lawn mower in 1990 from Black and Decker.Still use it) but buying a car because its LEV, SLEV or ULEV ?
My local Atlanta Honda dealer has been trying to push an '01 on me but I did that once before and especially with a change in body type etc you will take a hit on the back end.
Good luck-Ronald
The front end looked worse in person than in the pictures. There's way too much going on for my aesthetic tastes. . . .
However, I love everything from the rear doors to the back:
Liftover height is dropped four inches, cargo floor is flatter . . . love the redesigned tailgate and brake lights from both the aesthetic and functional perspectives . . . love how the rear seats fold and tumble with not much effort . . . love the new location of the tire jack in a compartment in the side wall of the cargo area -- in the event of a flat, it's much easier to access when you have a load in the back.
Sitting in the driver's seat gave me mixed feelings . . . the parking brake placement is genius (no ergonomic issues here -- I guess not everyone has the same knees) . . . but the auto tranny shifter was a little too far away . . . the storage spots above the glove box are great, but I REALLY wish the storage area nearest the stereo was big enough for CDs! (BTW my SO's Toyota ECHO is an example of an A+ effort on convenient storage in the front.) . . . I love the improved center table, the sunglasses holder that recesses into the ceiling, and the coin bin has to be at least twice as large as mine! But the tan fabric interior does nothing for me. . . .
For anyone trying to decide between '01 and '02 -- I say just buy the car you like better. Prices should still be close enough that the financial stuff doesn't matter if you end up with a vehicle with annoying quirks you hate. End of story.
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Too bad the US didn't get the Japanese version of the CRV -- it doesn't break up the front lines of the nose of the car with cladding half-way up the front grill. (Maybe some Pontiac Aztec designer went to work for Honda & suggested that "chopped up" look? And raised roof rails -- well, there's that "Subaru thing" again!) Hey - somebody had to say it!
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/899.html
Slugline - We differ on the view of the front. I thought that the sharper nose of the '02 CR-V looked a little goofy in pics, but, when I say it in person, it looked better to me. I like the chrome line across the top of the grill. It adds a nice accent to the front end and helps make up for the silly bumper plastic on the sides of the grill.
The main thing that offends my aesthetics is the abrupt transitions between the small grille and huge headlights. I think Toyota did a better job with the front end of the new RAV4 -- the visual line from the top of the grille to the top of the headlights is much smoother. What I really would have loved to see is something resembling the MDX -- a less abrupt transition from grille to headlights, a convex hood and that single line of chrome through the center of the badge. That single line looks classy to me, while the chrome line and outer grille on the '02 CR-V are excessive.
Fortunately, if I owned one, I probably wouldn't need to be staring at the front end that much.
I'm also a little concerned that the Odyssey is only rated "average" in reliability, and that the 99 was a reliability risk, according to CR. I'll wait to see if the 5 speed tranny turns out to be better than the early ones (wife's car is fixed now, $700 later).
If the market tanks next year, and inventory piles up in dealerships, with Odysseys at invoice (doubtful), my interest would suddenly perk up!
Bummer, George. You're being a good sport about it.
Maureen: Accords are very easy to sell. I'd wait for the new one even if you lose the buyer.
0% will create hangover for those manufacturers next year, when the incentives are gone and prices seem a lot higher.
What's funny is that only 25-30% of buyers end up getting 0% loans, perhaps because they do not qualify?
-juice
The new color, mojave mist metallic listed in new CR-V brochure is misleading because it appears to be a neutral color but seeing it at car show, it looks very bronzy. Waiting to see it in actual daylight since car show had artificial lighting which may have altered the appearance. The dealer did not have any Mojave Mist metallic.
Looking forward to reading additional comments from others who have test driven the CR-V. Sounds like we're going to have a slight wait while they fix the seatbelt problem. Hope this is not indicative of any other problems with the newly designed CR-V!
Perhaps it's b/c most of the 0% rates are only for 24 month financing terms. That places the monthly payments on the high end for most people. I know when I was at a Canadian Mazda dealership, they said that the rate went to 1.8% for a 36 month term, and 2.9 for a 48/60 month term. Those numbers are still good for a longer term, and I'm sure people will forego the 0% for a lower monthly payment...
Mark
Also, the 0% is in lieu of rebates.
2001 CR-V and Foresters both do have low rate financing for longer terms, just not 0%.
-juice
I Have a 97 Honda Accord LX of which the lease ran out and I am planning on picking up another honda...either an Accord LX sedan, Civic LX sedan or the CRV LX sedan 2002 models....Now my only question to you all is this....can someone either give me good guidelines on either deciding to make an outright purchase by financing or decide to lease?.....My objectives are simple.... I want to really put 0 money down, have the car for about 3 or 4 years before worrying about another one. One common mistake I think I have made in the past when negogiating deals for my other cars, I told my Honda rep up front that i wanted to lease and these were the monthly payments I needed to make or could afford....alot of people told me that is NOT the way to start off negogiations when deciding on a car....Can anyone comment?...or simply give me good price targets that i should use as guidelines for the above mentioned cars?
thanks alot!
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then follow the Honda Finance links
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