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on a humorous note: maybe Honda could issue a recall for "that 70's show" beige upholstery and replace it with something a little more tasteful!
Went to the Honda dealer this weekend to test drive the CR-V, but they were totally sold out. Bummer!
Anybody have thoughts about the relative merits of the two transmissions? Though I'm a little hesitant to buy a 4-cylinder with auto, the reviews I've seen suggest it's fine. Another issue is that there's no armrest with the stick! Any problems with adding an after-market armrest? I use the console armrest in my Accord all the time, and it'll seem weird to not have one.
- Bill
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I'm getting a Chianti Red EX Auto.
Do you have any idea how much aftermarket leather would run on the CR-V?
You start to run into all kinds of noise and vibration issues.
A smaller V-6 (say 2.6 to 2.8 litre)with about 180hp would probably be ideal for the CRV.
A better 4x4 system silmilar to the Subaru's would also go a long ways to making the CRV a little more useful.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
A full-time AWD system would not make a difference to 90% of the buyers out there. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see improvements. But the unwashed masses probably don't know the difference. A full-time system also provides more places for friction losses and drain on the engine due to the powertrain hardware. This is part of the reason why the CR-V and the Subaru get about the same mpg average despite the Forester being significantly lighter and more aerodynamic.
Any thoughts about the armrest situation? (I suppose I would quickly get used to it not being there, but perhaps not.)
thanks.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
'02 CRV (manual) has a very short first gear, the fifth is very short too. So, the vehicle is geared well for the five speeds (except that the engine will rev higher while cruising, hence lower highway gas mileage). Automatic transmission is decent too. MT's truck of the year comparo had CRV with automatic transmission, and it did a good job (atleast as far as 0-60 is concerned, they got 8.9s). Either way, it looks like Honda has geared the new V well. Now it just depends on what you want!
Nyccarguy:
Actually, Honda makes a 2.5-liter V6 pumping out 200 HP (and 178 lb.-ft) to go with the 3.2 liter V6 of the TL in Japan. But as Varmit pointed out, the '02 CRV uses a new generation of engines, that all Hondas in the near future will use. Still, I can see that Honda would be able to squeeze in 190 HP or so from the engine without having to move the redline on the engine.
Do you mean the 2.4 engine? How do you think they could do this without raising the redline? It would have to generate more torque to accomplish such a feat. Less restrictive breathing might gain a few hp, but you run the risk of making it very loud.
$22,300.00 x 91.37819 = $20,377.00 + Destination and Handling add $440 + $183.00 (over invoice) = $21,000.00 + $1,260.00 (New Jersey State Sales Tax) =$22,260.00 !!!!!OUT THE DOOR!!!!! that is for A 2002 CRV EX Automatic. And not a penny more.
The dealer gets 2% of the List price from Honda Corp.(HOLD BACK).
Rebecca
The article is from Nov. 13, so check it before they update the site.
"Pricing for the 2002 CR-V LX (2WD) with an automatic transmission starts at $18,800 -- just $50, or 0.3 percent, more than the 2001 CR-V LX (2WD). The CR-V LX (4WD) starts at $19,200. The feature-packed CR-V EX (standard 4WD) starts at $21,500 -- just 3.3 percent more compared to the 2001 model -- which now includes new features such as rear disc brakes and a moonroof. Side airbags (standard on EX) add $250 to the price of an LX."
I couldn't link the MotorTrend article.
I doubt Honda would do so on its own with the new release.
Edmunds cannot condone illegal activity! ;-0
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Best guess on invoice is to divide the MSRP by 1.1. So, for an MSRP of $22,300, my guess would be an invoice of about $20,300.
Varmit - Yes, with 2.4 liters, without raising the redline, it would be possible to get 190 HP (that would be another 80-81 HP per liter engine from Honda, typically getting that number in low 6000 rpms). In fact, Honda has a 2.3 liter DOHC VTEC in Japan (Accord wagon) that gets 200 HP at 6750 rpm. Dual stage intake can be used to achieve it, as it is done in RSX (base) and CL/TL Type-S engines (as well as the 2.5 liter V6 which is the predecessor to the Acura 3.2/V6 Type-S engine). The same concept is used in the new Odyssey and the MDX engines. The idea would be to have the engine develop more torque past 5500 rpm than it does in the CRV.
I walked out.
What do you think...should I go back and sign the dotted line?
I personally think Honda scrrewed up royally here - has ANYONE else out there bought a 2002 CRV and had this kind of trouble getting the car fixed and back into their hands??? I feel that they owe me big time - heck, my first payment is coming up and they have had the car longer than I have! I am a FIRST TIME HONDA owner - and this has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
Replies welcome! My email address is dmpfromri@yahoo.com.
Thanks everyone - sorry to ramble on.....but but I wanted to pass this info along, as it doesn't seem to be public knowledge.....yet!
Signed - a frustrated Honda customer
question to people that know -- if honda can't use the old engines in the new cars, which V6 are they selling to GM? also, i saw a commmercial for some GM vehicle and they mentioned "the new V6" in one fo the cars, malibu i think, is that honda V6?
Last night I picked out the EX automatic eternal blue and will take delivery tonight! It was the first time I drove one and absolutely loved it. I had money down for the red one, but the interior color was just plain homely.
Anyhow, I paid MSRP - $200 and got 11,500 on the trade (98 EX 54K). Financing 5.5%/48 months. How do you think I did? I guess I'm alright.
to varmit: While we're at it, we should probably slap a couple of stickers on the demo vehicle. Oh, and when the salesperson wises up to what we're up to, s/he'll probably try to tell us that we're wasting our time -- it's built into the radio! :-P
I have no great love for car dealers, but no bitter hatred either. The dealer takes a hit when a model doesn't sell, so it's only fair that they charge full price when people are lining up. If you don't like it, either wait a while for the demand to die down (or supply to go up) or get a different model. (I wonder how much below invoice the Aztek is selling for?)
BTW what's this about "Invoice pricing is not really a hard number that the manufacturer publishes"? They don't publish it to the public, but they certainly give it to the dealers. Last time I bought a car, the dealer checked my Edmunds invoice numbers against the print-out back in their office. They showed me the printout and the numbers matched. Unless the term "invoice" has somehow lost its plain meaning, it very definitely IS a hard number.
- Bill
The objective part of the deal feels right, I think I paid a fair price for the car, you can put that in numbers. The subjective part of the deal feels even better...I get total satisfaction and piece of mind of owning a brand spanking new car and the first batch of it....I like new cars, besides, when people turn their heads to see it...that's priceless...
When the first-generation CR-V came out, you couldn't touch one for under MSRP for months (I know, I tried ;p ). The Odyssey is STILL selling around MSRP, and what has it been, two years since it came out?
The new CR-V will eventually be available at lower prices, but let's face it, if you want it now, you're gonna have to pay up...
John Page @ 1-800-375-LESS.
INKY
Slugline - LOL. Maybe we should give Uncle George a call and get some of those "other stickers". How confused would that leave the salestaff.
for those who want instant performance they can stay in 5th. It is ironic to get better mileage in an automatic. I would be willing to pay $200-300 more for the 6th gear.
INKY
No tax (yet) thanks uncle Sam.
INKY
I wonder if you get better mileage with the auto trans in the real world, with the average person driving it, or if it just 'tests well' with the EPA system.
If you want to drive to the Dalles, here in OR, Connie Ford at www.autocost.com will sell you one for $800 over invoice. They have an 800 number listed on thier site and her email is connieford@autocost.com. Please tell her that Todd referred you.
The more powerful engine in the '02 allowed Honda to relax the gearing a bit in both trannies. Both have been refined a bit, but more weight has been added to the auto model than the 5 speed. I wouldn't be surprized if we find that the 5 speed is more effient once again.